=== orangeninja|AFK is now known as orangeninja [00:03] welcome back, ubuntulog_ [00:15] Meeting in 15 minutes [00:15] Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections [00:15] pace_t_zulu: is that script useful or annoying? [00:20] Meeting in 10 minutes [00:20] Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections [00:20] cyberanger: useful [00:20] cyberanger: we can refine it .... and we should probably delegate it to a proper bot [00:21] proper bot is already in progress [00:21] (and your presuming this isn't, could be eggdrop bot doubling as an irc proxy) [00:23] cyberanger: i realize ... but we don't want to make a permanent service like that tied to a username [00:23] wrst: ping [00:23] Unit193: ping [00:23] pace_t_zulu: Pong [00:23] chris4585 cosmicpizza Juzzy orangeninja orias Svpernova09 twayneprice ping [00:23] Unit193: metting starting in <10min [00:24] pace_t_zulu: tied to my username yeah, agreed [00:24] hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bt [00:24] hence why the main bot is cyberanger-bot [00:24] pong [00:24] rawr [00:24] cyberanger: for development purposes its ok ... but bots on usernames in irc - you know how that goes [00:25] Meeting in 5 minutes [00:25] Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections [00:25] thank you cyberanger ;) [00:25] pace_t_zulu: get's a bit crazy, yep [00:25] * Unit193 stands to watch [00:25] * cyberanger tells Unit193 to grab a chair & get comfy [00:25] Unit193: i hope you feel encouraged to participate [00:26] pace_t_zulu: within his bounds as an ohio resident, yep [00:26] pace_t_zulu: pong [00:26] cyberanger: It's quite comfy actually (not a desk chair :D ) [00:27] so we have cyberanger Unit193 orangeninja orias wrst [00:27] +myself ... that's 6 [00:27] not bad for <5min before meeting [00:27] Unit193: you are welcome to our meetings, short of any vote that is restricted (for example our regional leadership is voted on solely by the region their in) [00:27] pace_t_zulu: and without an email [00:27] Unit193: what part of TN do you live in? [00:27] pace_t_zulu: Unit193 lives in Ohio [00:27] cyberanger: i am very keen on http://loco.ubuntu.com [00:29] cyberanger: i think that needs to become a priority [00:29] pace_t_zulu: yeah, it seems to be a real nice setup [00:29] i'll add that as a last minute agenda item [00:29] idk with all the issues ubuntu has to deal with, if anything..oh, you meant our priorities [00:29] you guys ready? [00:29] I think mailing list is higher [00:29] pace_t_zulu: nearly ready [00:29] pace_t_zulu: i have family in i will be in and out but ready :) [00:30] Meeting Time [00:30] Primary item on our Agenda is Leadership Elections [00:30] #startmeeting [00:30] Meeting started at 19:30. The chair is pace_t_zulu. [00:30] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:30] o/ [00:30] here [00:30] \o [00:31] o/ [00:31] Unit193: and orias were here [00:31] \o [00:32] [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/ [00:32] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/tennessee.team/146/detail/ [00:32] [topic]Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively [00:32] New Topic: Utilize http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively [00:32] ok, so i just added this just now [00:32] pace_t_zulu: mind If I start off with something [00:32] but i want to draw attention to this ... [00:33] cyberanger: this will be brief, then i'll yield to you [00:33] pace_t_zulu: sorry, meant before the election (already forgot about this item) [00:33] [link]http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [00:33] LINK received: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/tennessee.team [00:34] this should become a base of information [00:34] it provides RSS feeds and iCal feeds ... which can be parsed elsewhere [00:34] just wanted to draw attention to that ... [00:35] any concerns with utilizing http://loco.ubuntu.com more extensively? [00:36] if not, i'll yield to cyberanger [00:36] one, we must avoid using it so extensively that we forget about tools that are currently more utilized (I've been bad about our mailing list, our best tool) [00:37] that is my one concern, I was bad about using one medium (IRC) for information, more often than not [00:37] cyberanger: agreed ... but this relatively new and focused towards the needs of this group - i'm suggesting we embrace it [00:37] we might not have much mail on our list, but we have alot of readers on it [00:38] I agree, so long as we fix the other places that have taken a blindeye lately [00:38] cyberanger: i agree that the mailing list is under-utilized as well [00:39] as far as writing, I got enough corrospendence via it, you know about one person for that reason too [00:39] [idea] embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list [00:39] IDEA received: embrace http://loco.ubuntu.com as a new tool for the loco ... while renewing interest in well loved tools like the mailing list [00:40] seems anything on the list wasn't staying on the list, rather it went to the sender, something I fixed, one reason it became underutilized I think [00:41] anyhow, moving on, if everyone is ok with that [00:42] cyberanger: i'd like to also point out this http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=kstats/charts&view=referrers [00:42] let me screenshot that [00:43] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org [00:43] LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1601465 referred 1153 views at http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org [00:43] our fourms which is ignored even more than the mailing list, cool [00:43] nearest referrer has only 95 views ... [00:44] 89 views [00:44] I'd exclude the 95 one, cause it's our own site referring itself [00:44] so that highlights cyberanger's point that the well loved tools still have power [00:44] cyberanger: yea... the redirect from http://ubuntu-tennessee.org [00:45] s/reinforces/highlights/ [00:45] anyway [00:45] and also note, none of that is from me (I have referrer disabled in my browser) [00:45] cyberanger: you had something you wanted to discuss quickly before leadership elections [00:46] and others may do that, so even with that being metioned, our tutorials drove the most traffic [00:46] pace_t_zulu: yes, I would [00:46] cyberanger: go ahead [00:47] last month I stepped down as trustee, passed the tourch for the remainder of my term (ending today) to pace_t_zulu to manage my time [00:47] a little better, try and start a state lug with other members here & elsewhere [00:48] and it sounds likely I'll be moving some point in the next month or two [00:49] cyberanger: where might you be moving? [00:49] I plan on running for east tn leadership, however knowing that my time in tennessee could be limited, I'd prefer to have somebody else take that position, I'll be on IRC to guide and assist this loco in any way I can [00:50] pace_t_zulu: most likely, alaska, TSA hasn't offically hired me, and I've got positions I've applied for all over, however none were open in TN [00:50] cyberanger: i think you should go ahead and run as if you will be staying in-state [00:50] closest is Huntsville, but there is a priority they'd like to fill [00:51] cyberanger: seeing as you are thinking of starting a state lug [00:51] but its up to you man [00:51] while it's not official, rarely does anyone get this far in the process and get turned down [00:52] also an offer for a startup isp has come up, but that is 3 months out still [00:52] cyberanger: my point is that your leadership is welcome [00:52] cyberanger: you can pass the torch if/when you leave [00:53] anyhow, I can't be a leader once out of state, and wanted to further metion that it will be unlikely for me to carry out a full yearlong term [00:53] we should get a show of hands .... we may have lost some [00:54] and last month I forgot about an item on the agenda, I want to make a motion for 6 month terms, seems beyond 6 months things stagnate a bit [00:54] pace_t_zulu: good idea, 0/ [00:54] Juzzy: [00:54] orangeninja: [00:54] orias: [00:54] o/ [00:54] Svpernova09: [00:54] twayneprice: [00:54] we started with cyberanger wrst orangeninja Unit193 and myself [00:54] wrst: [00:55] * Unit193 [00:55] pace_t_zulu: figured with this bit, might want to try for every tennessean [00:55] [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months [00:55] [TOPIC] shorten leadership terms to 6 months [00:56] wrong syntax? [00:56] [topic] shorten leadership terms to 6 months [00:56] New Topic: shorten leadership terms to 6 months [00:56] o/ [00:56] i am the topic master [00:56] oh, chair only function [00:56] apparently [00:56] cyberanger: go ahead [00:56] idea is for everyone [00:56] cyberanger: i'm keen on it [00:57] cyberanger: perhaps for regional points of contact? [00:57] ideally every leader, re-election [00:57] hi orias and orangeninja ... please feel free to voice your thoughts [00:57] o/ [00:57] sorry, trying to get caught up [00:58] as both trustee and a regional leader, I found myself and other leaders got distant, worn out, priorities shifted, so forth [00:58] at about that point [00:58] cyberanger: how bout we vote on it next meeting after we sort out elections now [00:58] or at the least, too routine to focus [00:58] cyberanger: go one [00:58] s/one/on [00:58] 6months is a reasonible time frame [00:58] pace_t_zulu: we kinda need it before we vote people for another term, unless we make this election contigent on this item next meeting [00:59] since this is defining their term limit [00:59] don't you think [00:59] cyberanger i'm prepared to vote on it now [00:59] as am I, anyone opposed to this idea? [00:59] if not, lets vote? [00:59] orias orangeninja Svpernova09 please feel free to speak your minds before we start the vote [00:59] vote on? [01:00] let me know if you have nothing to add ... and i'll start [01:00] sorry, who are the nominees? [01:00] orias: a 6 month term [01:00] SHorter terms are fine, but you may run into an issue of you're having to relect people every 6 months [01:00] ah [01:00] orias: shortening all terms from 1 year the 6 months [01:00] aye [01:00] Svpernova09: right now we have leaders disappearing every 6 months or so anyhow [01:00] i suppose going at the same frequency as ubuntu releases [01:00] Yeah, very true [01:01] which is kinda cool [01:01] phase shifted by 2 months [01:01] pace_t_zulu: and that'll help with release parties, seems we peak around releases, august to october we plan, then wait till august [01:01] anyway ... i'm prepared to vote if everyone else feels like their voice has been heard [01:01] cyberanger: right [01:02] cyberanger: great idea [01:02] * wrst catches up [01:02] orangeninja: you there? [01:02] perhaps a litte exgerrated, but kinda hits the issue I see, 6 months is as active we manage to be [01:02] yez [01:02] wrst: 6 month terms [01:02] yes* een [01:02] yeah makes sense [01:02] 6 months [01:02] Svpernova09: would you be willing to give it a try, or have a counter-proposal in mind? [01:03] oh, I didn't mean to argue for or against it [01:03] Was just throwing out 2 cents [01:03] motion to vote on 6 month leadership terms [01:03] Svpernova09: ah, yeah, and it's a good point, right now I see having leaders get stale every 6 months as an issue too [01:04] cyberanger: Svpernova09 it seems to me as if interest peaks around leadership elections perhaps [01:04] let's try this, worst case, we vote to return to the current 1 year length if this doesn't work [01:04] certainly [01:04] I second the motion pace_t_zulu [01:04] pace_t_zulu: elections & releases [01:05] cyberanger: releases? [01:05] ubuntu market's the loco's hard for release parties & such [01:05] right [01:05] [vote] 6 month term for all leadership positions [01:05] Please vote on: 6 month term for all leadership positions. [01:05] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [01:05] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn [01:05] +1 [01:05] +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [01:05] + [01:05] +1 [01:05] +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [01:05] lol [01:06] good hustle orias [01:06] tn was dead at that time, so I went to georgia's release party, shortly after w4ett restarted things & each release it grows [01:06] +1 [01:06] +1 received from wrst. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [01:06] +1 [01:06] +1 received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [01:06] +1 [01:06] +1 received from cyberanger. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [01:06] orangeninja ping [01:06] +1 [01:06] +1 received from orangeninja. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [01:06] that's everyone ... right [01:06] it carries [01:06] [endvote] [01:06] Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 [01:06] yep, agreed [01:07] [agreed] 6 month term for all leadership positions [01:07] AGREED received: 6 month term for all leadership positions [01:07] [topic]nominations for leadership positions [01:07] New Topic: nominations for leadership positions [01:07] next, I'd like to nominate pace_t_zulu for a 6 month trustee position [01:07] thank you cyberanger i accept [01:08] no need to assing the time period as part of the position though ;) [01:08] he's stepped in my shoes quickly, been doing a great job with it & middle tennessee too (as he's currently our middle tn leader too) [01:08] pace_t_zulu: oh, merely reminding myself [01:08] motion to start with trustee position then move to regional positions [01:08] second ... if its needed [01:09] it's custom for the person nominated to abstain, however that is not a requirement [01:09] [topic] nominations for trustee position [01:09] New Topic: nominations for trustee position [01:10] pace_t_zulu has been nominated by cyberanger & seconded by wrst [01:10] wrst would you be interested in the trustee position? [01:10] no sir [01:10] -1 pace_t_zulu :) [01:11] but +1 for pace_t_zulu [01:11] i would nominate you otherwise [01:11] pace_t_zulu: i think that and the mid tn leadership is right as it needs to be [01:11] pace_t_zulu: it's ok, we're gonna draft him for middle tn ;-) [01:11] anyway [01:12] orangeninja orias Svpernova09 y'all have any nominations? [01:12] I don't. I'm just a spectator :_D [01:12] ^ [01:12] ^^ [01:13] [vote] pace_t_zulu as trustee [01:13] Please vote on: pace_t_zulu as trustee. [01:13] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [01:13] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn [01:13] =) [01:13] +0 [01:13] Abstention received from pace_t_zulu. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0 [01:13] oops [01:13] +1 [01:13] +1 received from wrst. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [01:13] +1 [01:13] +1 received from orias. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [01:13] +1 [01:13] +1 received from Svpernova09. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [01:13] +1 [01:13] +1 received from orangeninja. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [01:13] cyberanger: ping [01:14] Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [01:14] [endvote] [01:14] Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5 [01:14] [agreed] pace_t_zulu is trustee [01:14] AGREED received: pace_t_zulu is trustee [01:14] [topic] regional leadership positions [01:14] New Topic: regional leadership positions [01:14] East TN [01:15] Middle TN [01:15] btw, thanks guys for the votes ;) [01:15] West TN [01:15] sounds like a good order, we'll follow the sun [01:15] ok, everyone say what region you are in [01:15] Middle TN [01:15] middle [01:15] * cyberanger is currently east tn [01:15] middle' [01:15] West [01:15] yeah middle o/ [01:16] wow its been a while since middle has outnumbered west for an election [01:16] any region for that matter [01:16] well so middle can vote [01:17] do we want to agree to all vote for all regions? [01:17] orias: what part of TN are you in? [01:17] west [01:18] so we have 1 east ... 3 middle ... 2 west [01:18] pace_t_zulu: it'd be a break from precedence, however if it's agreed by everyone here, east has only three members, one is our prior leader too [01:18] west has jfenn2199, who's been absent awhile [01:18] linuxman410 in the east, who is around every now and then [01:19] we kinda need more members in west and east, and afaik, east doesn't have any more to call from [01:19] cyberanger: yes, and he's absent now ... so he can't accept an nomination ... unless someone can point to a place in the logs where he said he would accept it by proxy [01:20] jfenn2199 & linuxman410 hadn't notified me of that, jfenn2199 was one of the people who needed the meeting time pushed back [01:20] cyberanger: if nominated for east tn would you accept? [01:21] pace_t_zulu: east tn can't run unless all regions are allowed to vote on an east tn leader [01:21] Svpernova09 orias are either of you willing/able to be west tn point of contact for 6 months? [01:21] pace_t_zulu: um, come back to me on that, cover middle & west first, give me a chance to think [01:22] I would be very reluctant to be a PoC due to my heavy involvement in other projects. [01:22] Svpernova09 orias ^ ... till february [01:22] Uh same [01:22] Svpernova09: understood [01:22] orias: understood [01:22] what's involved? [01:23] orias and I are actually heavily involved/invested in the local hackerspace [01:23] point of contact for that region [01:23] interface with the local hackerspace, lug [01:23] #MidsouthMakers ? [01:23] Yah [01:23] Svpernova09: i don't see why that doesn't make you more qualified for the part [01:24] plus I'm sorta an unoffical liasion for the lugs [01:24] so how about the group being the point of contact? [01:24] maybe host a release party or a meeting every so often [01:24] Svpernova09 orias it would have to be one of you two [01:24] Svpernova09 orias ... you could host a release party at your hackerspace [01:25] better to have somebody aware of limits, than nobody at all [01:25] how often? [01:25] ^ that would be massive for our loco [01:25] release parties are 6 months apart [01:25] We have a strong *nix presence [01:25] release party is every 6 months [01:25] orias: what do you think about us doing it between the 2 of us? [01:25] I'd be comfortable with that [01:25] we aim for monthly meetings too, but baby steps [01:25] we meet as a hackerspace every week, [01:26] netritious & jfenn2199 tried that, worked for a long while [01:26] orias and I see each other every week at least once. And we talk pretty much everyday [01:26] longer than your terms [01:26] So.... [01:26] and a release party is simply a party ... with ubuntu's latest release as an excuse to party [01:26] heh [01:26] If we'd work together as a PoC... I think we'd do fine. [01:26] * orias will print the shotglasses [01:26] thats cool with me [01:26] one could turn it into an installfest, but yeah, it's a party at the least [01:26] I can even set up communications via @midsouthmakers.org email for us [01:26] our local LUG tried an installfest recently, not sure what the turnout was [01:27] * wrst thinks west tn is in good hands [01:27] wouldn't be the first time we've had two PoCs in west tn ... no reason why we can't now [01:27] agreed pace_t_zulu [01:27] I nominate orias & Svpernova09 as a duo to run west tn [01:27] golum has seemed to stall [01:27] i second that nomination [01:27] orias Svpernova09 do y'all accept the nomination? [01:27] pace_t_zulu: it worked for over 6 months, this time 6 is the max per term, love the idea [01:27] aye [01:27] Sure [01:27] motion to vote [01:28] on west tn [01:28] I deny that motion [01:28] oh [01:28] ok [01:28] until we vote on all members or each region [01:28] due to a numbers issue for west & east tn [01:28] cyberanger: ¿por que? [01:28] i think i missed an accent or two there [01:29] * wrst is just ready to +1 something! [01:29] we can't have the two being nominated vote themselves in, same for me in east tn (if I accept that nomination) [01:29] cyberanger: it doesn't get done otherwise [01:29] so we need to vote an exception to the normal rule, that all present can vote for all regions [01:29] cyberanger: you need that as a motion for all members to vote on all regions? [01:29] cyberanger: in light of the shorter terms ... i don't see a problem [01:30] wrst: +1 [01:30] ok I make a motion we allow all members to vote in all regions [01:30] yes, I made that motion too, but I didn't hear a second, and then west tn came up [01:30] I second [01:30] motion to vote on allowing all members present at meeting to vote for all regions in tennessee [01:30] second [01:30] oh yeah :) [01:30] pace_t_zulu: for this meeting [01:30] do we need to vote or we're good [01:30] as an exeption on the rule [01:30] we need to hear all are acceptable, at the least [01:30] cyberanger: you were the one who previously denied the motion [01:31] no objections [01:31] so i then retable my motion to vote on west tn point of contact [01:31] I denied the motion to vote orias & Svpernova09 since they'd be the only ones eligable to vote [01:31] cyberanger: i see [01:31] not the motion to extend who can vote [01:31] lets go [01:32] ok, so no objections, everyone can vote on leadership, for this meeting [01:32] [vote] orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN [01:32] Please vote on: orias and Svpernova09 share Point of Contact in East TN. [01:32] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [01:32] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-us-tn [01:32] +1 [01:32] +1 received from pace_t_zulu. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [01:32] +1 [01:32] +1 received from orangeninja. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [01:32] then I withdraw my objection to vote on our west tn duo [01:32] +1 [01:32] +1 received from cyberanger. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [01:33] +1 [01:33] +1 received from wrst. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [01:33] +0/+1 [01:33] +0 [01:33] Abstention received from Svpernova09. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [01:33] +0 [01:33] Abstention received from orias. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4 [01:33] [endvote] [01:33]