[00:09] <Unit193> charlie-tca: This week is rather busy for me if we have any ISOs to test (Already started)
[00:11] <charlie-tca>  no problem. I broke them good
[00:33] <charlie-tca> goodnight all, I have to go take a break tonight
[14:09] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:10] <madnick> morning :)
[14:23] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: bug 789333 is going to be an issue for us. Any thoughts on how to work around?
[14:24] <charlie-tca> If we use the gtk3 tool, it should work, but it also means we have to add gtk3 to the cd
[14:29] <charlie-tca> Anjy reasons yet why Xubuntu desktop would not work?
[14:55] <charlie-tca> madnick, micahg : any reasons why I could not install the desktop?
[14:55] <charlie-tca> sorry, madnick. meant astraljava ^  ^  
[14:55] <madnick> :)
[14:55] <micahg> charlie-tca: not that I know of
[14:56] <charlie-tca> this is going to be a good release team meeting
[15:35] <madnick> ochosi: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/spinner-new.ogg
[15:35] <madnick> fixed version
[15:35] <madnick> (its 8 fps, so it seems to be lagging, but it does not IRL)
[15:40] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sorry, I haven't had time to look into that further since last night, work's been busybusybusy.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> hm, I guess that excuse still has to be, then. work seems to get in the way of a lot of stuff.
[15:42] <astraljava> Sadly.
[15:42] <astraljava> I've put in 50 hours thus far this week, and might have to do more over the weekend.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> Thanks for trying. It really is appreciated 
[15:45] <GridCube> madnick, ochosi what about something like this? http://imagebin.org/166532
[15:46] <madnick> Im neutral, I don't really know what fits the graphical profile
[15:50] <madnick> GridCube: I do think the logo should be preserved however
[15:58] <madnick> GridCube: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/experimental-spinner.ogg :)
[15:58] <charlie-tca> I like that one
[15:59] <charlie-tca> That is really nice
[15:59] <madnick> :)
[16:01] <madnick> Well, there is acctually 1 thing I still need; test cryptsetup with this plymouth theme, I have been unable to do so 
[16:03] <madnick> (it's acctually because the alternate CD's that I put on USB with Unetbootin cannot finnish installing)
[16:03] <madnick> Even 11.04, I think its an unetbootin bug
[16:04] <charlie-tca> um, I could not login after encrypting /home with the latest alternate images for oneiric
[16:05] <charlie-tca> it won't accept the password
[16:05] <charlie-tca> bug 820460
[16:06] <madnick> This might be a dumb question, but this happened to me and i realized it used the wrong keymap, could this be the case?
[16:12] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:13] <charlie-tca> it's possible, I guess
[16:13] <charlie-tca> but I would suspect issues with lightdm and policykit
[16:14] <madnick> so much problems with lightdm :\
[16:15] <GridCube> new things tend to break
[16:16] <madnick> yup
[16:19] <charlie-tca> astraljava, micahg : easy to find the problem with the install today. compare the image from 2011-08-03.2 and 2011-08-05
[16:42] <charlie-tca> frustration level has now gone from "critical" to "completely gone"
[16:42] <charlie-tca> today's images install on the same machine that failed for the last three days
[16:47] <micahg> \o/
[16:48] <charlie-tca> The only answer I have is "I give up"
[16:48] <micahg> except the old images are gone now
[16:49] <charlie-tca> I realized that late, and then I also over-wrote the image I had with zsync
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Who would think today's image would work?
[16:50] <charlie-tca> going bang my head on concrete, I guess
[16:54] <astraljava> Interesting. Oh well. Such is life. Guess I shouldn't waste more time working on the problem, or?
[16:54] <astraljava> I still haven't overwritten that .iso, so could there be something to be found?
[16:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: there have been 2 casper uploads since the last respin
[16:58] <charlie-tca> That has to be what fixed the images then
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Kind of frustrating to have them work today after three days of broken
[16:59] <charlie-tca> However...
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Well, today's images need testing, please
[17:53] <astraljava> charlie-tca: zsyncing now.
[17:53] <charlie-tca> Thanks. Any testing today is appreciated!
[17:54] <charlie-tca> well, any testing any day is appreciated!
[17:54] <astraljava> Yeah. :)
[17:54] <charlie-tca> but today is special :)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> We don't care so much about the special tests, as will live session work and can you install any partitioning methods
[17:56] <astraljava> Right, well, as I forgot to sync the images at work, I can only test i386 desktop, as that was the first one that appeared on the zsyncing list commands. :)
[17:57] <charlie-tca> That's a good one, if you can only do one!
[17:57] <charlie-tca> We actually have live sessions working here, and can install from the desktop too
[17:57] <astraljava> Good, good.
[18:09] <charlie-tca> GridCube: We need to test today's images if possible
[18:12] <GridCube> alternate or live?
[18:13] <GridCube> i zsyncked alternate yesterday
[18:17] <charlie-tca> got to be today's image. It changed
[18:17] <charlie-tca> astraljava is syncing the 32bit desktop
[18:18] <GridCube> so when i get home ill do alternate?
[18:19] <GridCube> do you want the encrypted /home test?
[18:22] <madnick> Im doing encrypted lvm on todays image, but I got a question, if I find a bug, do I fill it in xubuntu oneiric, or at the projects (like lightdm project) section?
[18:24] <charlie-tca> yes, try for encrypted /home if you can
[18:24] <charlie-tca> but be aware, it destroys whatever is on the hard drive 
[18:24] <charlie-tca> and if it fails, you can't get it back
[18:25] <charlie-tca> madnick: file against the package affected. What is the bug?
[18:27] <madnick> charlie-tca: It was theoretical, im installing at the moment, im quite new to launchpad tbh (im gonna make sure i find a tutorial)
[18:27] <charlie-tca> easiest way to file bugs is open a terminal, type      ubuntu-bug PACKAGE       and hit enter
[18:27] <madnick> ah sweet :)
[18:27] <GridCube> ok charlie-tca :) will do the test on a vbox when i get home :D
[18:27] <GridCube> see ya later :)
[18:28] <charlie-tca> it will open a browser, you login to launchpad, and complete the report. It will attach all the needed logs
[19:28] <astraljava> charlie-tca: How is the live session supposed to work nowadays?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> fully after you log in
[19:29] <charlie-tca> I think
[19:29] <charlie-tca> You won't get it to autologin
[19:29] <charlie-tca> If you get the xfce stripes wallpaper, you chose the wrong session and must restart
[19:30] <charlie-tca> It is always the third session here. I get Xubuntu, Xfce, Xubuntu sessions, and pick the third one
[19:34] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Right, but what user/passwd?
[19:35] <madnick> a while back i used "ubuntu" -> "ubuntu" to login
[19:35] <madnick> Dont know about todays images
[19:36] <astraljava> madnick: Nope, doesn't go with those, but thanks.
[19:38] <charlie-tca> user = ubuntu, password = none
[19:38] <charlie-tca> none as in nothing
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Enter ubuntu, hit enter, tab to sessions, down arrow three times, tab to login, hit enter
[19:40] <charlie-tca> I wrote that into the release notes, too
[19:46] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Sorry, didn't read those. Thanks for your patience!
[19:47] <charlie-tca> no problem, at least we do have answers :)
[19:48] <astraljava> Yep, and are kind enough to repeat them all the way down to feeling sick, I bet. :)
[19:49] <micahg> charlie-tca: do we still have the user list on the login page in the live session?
[19:49] <astraljava> I need to hunt down the test scenarios, but at least the live session seems to boot in properly.
[19:49] <astraljava> micahg: Nope.
[19:49] <micahg> :(, so the new meta did nothing
[19:49] <charlie-tca> micahg: we only have the user "other..." on it
[19:49] <charlie-tca> right
[19:50] <charlie-tca> We don't seem to batting a very good percentage
[19:50] <micahg> ok, well, we'll have to get this sorted after feature freeze then when robert_ancell returns
[19:52] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:52] <charlie-tca> and if he doesn't care about anything except Ubuntu, we better find another display manger quick
[19:53] <madnick> SLiM?
[19:53] <charlie-tca> There are several possibilities out there
[19:53] <madnick> Yup
[19:54] <madnick> But SLiM is also very lightweight
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu went back to lxdm for alpha3, Kubuntu stayed with KDM because lightdm won't work for them yet
[19:54] <madnick> and the dependencies for SLiM is neat :)
[20:55]  * GridCube will start an install of alternate i386 whit encrypted /home
[21:00] <madnick> I did that
[21:00] <madnick> 1 sec
[21:00] <madnick> yeah, the disk is OK
[21:03] <madnick> the login issue is presant
[21:05] <GridCube> so ill do it too XD
[21:05] <madnick> i didnt mean you shouldnt :P I just forgot to report it back
[21:05] <madnick> Because I was watching TV
[21:06] <GridCube> madnick, you should fil the spreadsheet
[21:06] <madnick> spreadsheet?
[21:06] <GridCube> yes
[21:06] <GridCube> let me a moment to find it
[21:06] <madnick> okay
[21:06] <GridCube> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&authkey=CP282scF&hl=es#gid=1
[21:06] <GridCube> there
[21:08] <astraljava> The instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Testing/TestingInfo/Short, regarding Settings Manager | Panel, are a little off. None of the sliders makes a difference when regarding the icons.
[21:09] <madnick> oh cool
[21:09] <madnick> Did not know there was a thing like that
[21:10] <madnick> GridCube: i'd love to fill that in, but it is in a language i do not understand
[21:10] <madnick> The Google thing
[21:10] <GridCube> ?
[21:10] <madnick> I dont wanna ruin anything
[21:10] <madnick> Its in spanish or italian
[21:10] <GridCube> its easy
[21:10] <GridCube> D:
[21:10] <GridCube> oh
[21:10] <GridCube> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&authkey=CP282scF&hl=en#gid=1
[21:10] <GridCube> there
[21:11] <madnick> thanks :)
[21:11] <GridCube> XD changed the =es to =en
[21:11] <madnick> yeah :D
[21:11]  * madnick is ashamed
[21:12] <madnick> GridCube: I fill in Alternate w/Disk encryption, should i fill any of the "5" fields?
[21:14] <madnick> ill just do it to the best of my ability :)
[21:14] <GridCube> no... thats the day..., just besides the day add your name and in the test you have done add PASS or FAIL and any thing you think its important
[21:17] <madnick> GridCube: okay, done :)
[21:19] <GridCube> :D charlie-tca will be pleased
[21:19] <madnick> :D
[21:19] <madnick> I worked with spreadsheets the last time in... 1998?
[21:19] <madnick> :D
[21:20] <madnick> Its was a bit hard
[21:20] <GridCube> hahaha
[21:20] <GridCube> XD
[21:20] <astraljava> madnick: With Google Docs, they're coming back with a vengeange! :D
[21:20] <madnick> :D
[21:21] <GridCube> also google doc allows you to do formularies that one could fill up
[21:21] <GridCube> i think charlie-tca should see about that, it would made the spreadsheet filling more interactive :P
[21:22] <madnick> Well, I guess spreadsheets are better than what we used at my work :)
[21:22] <astraljava> While also so much more complex, making them more error-prone.
[21:22] <astraljava> madnick: PDF forms? :D
[21:22] <madnick> even that be better! 
[21:23] <madnick> the testers (which was also the devs), uploaded a checklist and info in a zip file to a ftp server
[21:23] <madnick> ofc it had a nice front end :)
[21:24] <GridCube> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc6MQ
[21:24] <GridCube> XD
[21:24]  * astraljava faints
[21:24] <madnick> :D
[21:25] <astraljava> Who came up with that procedure?! Some dinosaur from the '50s?!
[21:26] <GridCube> D:
[21:26] <GridCube> its like the simpliest thing
[21:27] <madnick> the thing at my old job? :D well, it was like this
[21:27] <madnick> we didn't even have organized tests until an intern started working at us, then we started using ftp plainly, but the intern also wrote a GUI for it, then when he went back to school, we kept using it
[21:28] <madnick> might be offtopic, sorry
[21:29] <astraljava> Oh no, no horror story is ever OT, anywhere.
[21:29] <astraljava> Not a good one like that, anyhow.
[21:30] <madnick> found another bug, it does not honor my choosen keylayout
[21:30] <madnick> seems what you enter in lightdm is presentet as "UNKNOWN"
[21:31] <madnick> same with tty
[21:32] <astraljava> Wait, what? Can you actually specify a keyboard layout on lightdm? Or are you not talking about the greeter, here?
[21:32] <madnick> bdus rejects a send message from lightdm-greeter
[21:33] <madnick> astraljava: you cannot, i dropped to root terminal recovery
[21:34] <madnick> hm, good thing i have network, bad thing i dont have pastebinit :P
[21:35] <micahg> charlie-tca: what am I seeding over the weekend?  pastebinit and pavucontrol?
[21:37] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/errors.log
[21:42] <madnick> can't find a workaround :\
[21:44] <madnick> charlie-tca: want me to add to your bug report?
[21:45] <GridCube> madnick, you should add it to your bug report
[21:46] <madnick> GridCube: but i did not make one with launchpad
[21:46] <charlie-tca> micahg: pastebinit and something I can't remember now
[21:46] <madnick> oh you mean in the spread :D
[21:46] <charlie-tca> I have to go look in the minutes
[21:47] <charlie-tca> yes, If you can confirm a bug report, definitely add to it
[21:47] <charlie-tca> It takes someone besides the original report to make it valid
[21:47] <madnick> okay, ill do that
[21:48] <madnick> Not sure which logs are useful, ill put in auth.log i think
[21:52] <charlie-tca> You don't have to add logs even, just comments that you have the issue, and what is happening and what the date of the image is
[21:52] <madnick> okay good :)
[21:52] <micahg> charlie-tca: pavucontrol?
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know that we need it now with oneiric
[21:54] <charlie-tca> micahg: evince?
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I give up
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I guess if we do pastebinit we should be good
[21:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: I did evince for alpha3
[21:55] <charlie-tca> We haven't decided to add gthumb yet, have we?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> I really want to know what mr_pouit thinks of gthumb instead of ristretto ?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> or do I it confused again?
[21:57]  * micahg hasn't been keeping up
[21:57] <micahg> gthumb is heavy lib wise
[21:58] <micahg> I guess it's stuff we already ahve though
[21:58] <micahg> it also adds .75MB
[22:00] <charlie-tca> .75 shouldn't hurt, we are under 699 in all images
[22:01] <charlie-tca> micahg: the biggest image today is 681MB
[22:01] <GridCube> question: why is gparted on the livecd and not on the final system? i could never see the reason of that
[22:01] <charlie-tca> GridCube: because it is a dangerous app for the new users
[22:02] <micahg> GridCube: it's in the live seed, but not the desktop one
[22:02] <charlie-tca> We want them to intend to have it, so they know what it is
[22:02] <charlie-tca> people will play and try the installed stuff more so than the live session
[22:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, if I get an ACK from mr_pouit, I'm happy to s/ristretto/gthumb/
[22:03] <GridCube> oh ok
[22:03] <charlie-tca> micahg: that would be great
[22:03] <GridCube> charlie-tca, do you know how to fix the problem whit the log off instead of shutdown bug?
[22:04] <charlie-tca> it is not fixable. The easiest solution is to logoff and then restart or shutdown from GDM
[22:04] <charlie-tca> They have three choices in the screens, reboot, shutdown, log out
[22:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: gthumb seems overkill for an image viewer though
[22:04] <charlie-tca> They should log out, then do the others, that is very dependable then
[22:05] <charlie-tca> micahg: we want it for the photo stuff more than just a viewer
[22:05] <micahg> ah, we don't have a photo app at the moment, right?
[22:05] <charlie-tca> it lets you crop, resize, etc, on the photos by default
[22:05] <charlie-tca> right, no photo app now
[22:05] <micahg> cool, the gthumb for simple image, gimp for advanced
[22:05] <charlie-tca> yeah, that's it
[22:06] <charlie-tca> But I want mr_pouit to ACK it. He would know more about why we don't use it than me.
[22:06] <charlie-tca> and I will go with whatever he says on it
[22:11] <GridCube> charlie-tca, feel free to delete the form i did if you wish https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc6MQ
[22:13] <charlie-tca> delete it why? 
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Isn't it easier to fill out that way?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Any special format for date?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> like if I just put 5, will it work?
[22:14] <GridCube> dunno you used  numbers so it should be it
[22:14] <GridCube> but i think it will add them to the end of the spreadsheet
[22:14] <GridCube> i havent tested it
[22:14] <charlie-tca> OTOH, if I put 08/05/2011, will it work?
[22:14] <GridCube> it will add that to the cell 
[22:15] <GridCube> thats how i understand it
[22:18] <GridCube> oh boy
[22:20] <GridCube> yep i broke things, apparently it adds stuff at the begining of the table whit time stamps
[22:20] <GridCube> so it added a new column at the begining for the timestamps 
[22:21] <GridCube> sorry about that, you should be able to delete that i think, being the spreadsheet creator and all
[22:21] <charlie-tca> Well if you can fix it so it works right, we want it
[22:21] <charlie-tca> you can delete too, can't you? I gave everyone rights to do anything, except to the master
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Oh, you broke July instead of August, even
[22:23] <charlie-tca> I can fix it
[22:24] <charlie-tca> you are doing fine
[22:24] <GridCube> i did already
[22:25] <GridCube> i think i've fixed it
[22:25] <GridCube> but i dont know how to make it work correctly, the form i mean
[22:25] <GridCube> unless we play whit the google doc rules
[22:26] <charlie-tca> play with it and see. I can change to a real date format if need be
[22:42] <ochosi> madnick: hey, thanks for the new spinner video. i talked a bit more about it with knome today and will continue in the upcoming days
[22:43] <ochosi> madnick: unfortunately i'm rather busy in RL atm, so it might take a few days until i can come up with a spinner that works better with the logo
[22:43] <madnick> okay :) 
[22:43] <madnick> I had an idea, did you watch that too?
[22:43] <ochosi> maybe knome will send you something in the meantime, who knows :)
[22:43] <madnick> Well acctualyl it was GridCube's idea sorta
[22:43] <ochosi> did you ping me with the idea?
[22:43] <ochosi> i only saw a mockup by GridCube 
[22:43] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/experimental-spinner.ogg
[22:43] <madnick> Ofc it would look rather different
[22:44] <madnick> but I just used what i already had
[22:44] <ochosi> hm, in that case i'd drop the grey circle
[22:44] <ochosi> and make the "ball" a "comet", if you know what i mean
[22:44] <madnick> yeah
[22:44] <ochosi> but it's a bit odd that the spinner isn't centered
[22:44] <ochosi> the comet might work better anyway, btw
[22:44] <ochosi> sry, really gotta hit the sack now, i have a rather long and strainful day tomorrow
[22:45] <madnick> okay :)
[22:45] <ochosi> but i'll try to have a peek in here tomorrow
[22:45] <ochosi> just in case you come up with something new, ping me :)
[22:45] <ochosi> otherwise maybe sunday, then definitely on monday
[22:46] <madnick> okay, thanks, i look forward to it :)
[22:46] <ochosi> yeah, me too. i really like what you've been doing so far!
[22:46] <ochosi> k, anyway, nighty-night and see ya
[22:47] <madnick> night :)
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Maybe we should tell everyone, if you address us by our nick, we get a hightlight message to looka t
[22:56] <charlie-tca> even when we are away, it will alert us to go look
[23:05] <GridCube> charlie-tca, check the spreadsheet, i've made a new sheet on it
[23:05] <GridCube> its for the formulary
[23:06] <micahg> have a good weekend everyone
[23:06] <GridCube> all the warnings you've added to the colums can be added to the form, so people can read them
[23:06] <charlie-tca> Thanks, micahg 
[23:06] <GridCube> but you cant make it on an existant sheet
[23:06] <charlie-tca> You enjoy your weekend
[23:06] <GridCube> it breaks things up
[23:08] <charlie-tca> What will happen to it if someone manually enters information?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> will that break it again?
[23:09] <charlie-tca> and, when you ask which test to do, how do I tell you?
[23:10] <astraljava> micahg: Thanks, you too!
[23:14] <GridCube> charlie-tca, adding stuff to the sheet wont break things up ill. I'll show you how the form will look now
[23:18] <GridCube> https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc6MQ
[23:22] <charlie-tca> Which one should I test today?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> See, I look to see which tests I marked to be done so the same tests don't happen everyday
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I'm curious why it won't work with other pages?
[23:28] <GridCube> because its just meant to gather data, you could change the form everyday
[23:29] <charlie-tca> I guess I will play with this thing and try to get it to do what you want
[23:29] <GridCube> or, i could add a "To see what test are meant for today look at this cronogram"
[23:32] <charlie-tca> for mon, tue, wed, etc instead of month at a time
[23:32] <charlie-tca> well, that's what I get for thinking instead of typing
[23:33] <charlie-tca> the first part of that was "Well, we could have something for "
[23:37] <GridCube> oh yes we can have like if its monday you should do this ones, and so on
[23:37] <GridCube> :P
[23:37] <GridCube> (i wonder how many people outside this irc channel do tests, we usually just ask)
[23:38] <GridCube> D: so... im doing alternate i386 whit encryted /home and D: lightdm its just RED!
[23:39] <charlie-tca> many
[23:39] <charlie-tca> There are a lot of tests done daily, and a lot of automated testing gets done, too
[23:39] <charlie-tca> red is nicer than pink
[23:40] <charlie-tca> :)
[23:40] <GridCube> :) ok so you like it like its now?
[23:40] <charlie-tca> mine changes colors every boot
[23:40] <charlie-tca> like what? lightdm?
[23:40] <GridCube> where are the orders to get a log in?
[23:40] <GridCube> sorry, two conversations at the same time, i meant the form
[23:40] <charlie-tca> login to live session?
[23:41] <GridCube> no to installed system
[23:41] <charlie-tca> oh, let me think about the form
[23:42] <charlie-tca> to installed system is what we been doing. click name, or Other and enter username, enter password, choose second Xubuntu session, login, if it is Xfce stripes wallpaper, go to 12 step plan on release notes and try again
[23:42] <charlie-tca> heh, easy, huh? :)
[23:43] <charlie-tca> got to go gardening now
[23:44] <GridCube> it would be a lot easier if i remembered what user name i gave iti
[23:48] <GridCube> :/ i didnt used one of my standard user names
[23:51] <charlie-tca> If you used encrypted /home, it won't matter, you can not login cause it will tell you bad password
[23:51] <charlie-tca> and you can not login to the tty either
[23:52] <astraljava> GridCube: *tsk* *tsk* A deviation from the procedure. Strike one. :)
[23:52] <GridCube> oh that should be it
[23:53] <GridCube> oh... well
[23:54] <GridCube> nothing there watching the folder from a rescue cd, but i guess that if its encrypted i shouldnt see it anyway correct? or is that i should see the folder but not access it?
[23:54] <charlie-tca> and yes, I did install three times using the 64bit alternate and two times using 32bit alternate before I caught on to theat
[23:54] <charlie-tca> s/theat/that
[23:54] <GridCube> never used encrypted folders
[23:54] <charlie-tca> right, you can not see it
[23:55] <GridCube> oh ok
[23:55] <GridCube> so i don't know what name i used them i think it was xutest, as i usually do, but i can not login
[23:56] <charlie-tca> I seem to recall saying I had a really bad day trying to test this alpha milestone :)
[23:57] <charlie-tca> I have two hard drives in each test machine, so I unplugged one drive and tried it, then tried on the other drive. 
[23:57] <GridCube> ok i add FAIL then?
[23:57] <charlie-tca> yeah, I think so
[23:58] <GridCube> (or should i retry and this time pay attentio to what username i give it?)
[23:58] <charlie-tca> it will still fail
[23:58] <charlie-tca> try not encrypting /home if you want to try again
[23:58] <GridCube> mmkay
[23:58] <charlie-tca> I did not run full LVM encrypted without encrypting /home
[23:59] <GridCube> :D do i fill the spreadsheet using my fresh new made form?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> but I think you are not going to be passing it today
[23:59] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:59] <GridCube> XD
[23:59] <GridCube> ok
[23:59] <charlie-tca> Why does it need blank lines like that?
[23:59] <charlie-tca> I will have to go dig around now. You got me curious.