jrmyi did like 10.10 when i tried it with a live cd but it didnt work with my video controller with a computer i used to have00:03
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ionitei am currently using XFCE but i kept receiving this: Fetched 522 kB in 3min 22s (2,583 B/s) W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, 00:12
charlie-tcawait an hour and attempt to update again00:12
ionitei waited for days and tried several times00:13
ionitei suspect it's the partial files that's causing these problems.00:13
charlie-tcawhat partial files?00:15
charlie-tcaaccording to that, your mirror is missing some files00:16
charlie-tcaand that can take a few days or more sometimes to get updated00:16
charlie-tcait is normal to not fetch partial files00:20
ionitecan't i change mirror or something?00:20
ionitecharlie-tca: can't i change mirror or something?00:21
charlie-tcawhat command are you using?00:21
ionitesudo apt-get update00:22
ionitebtw how can i d/l the mp3 codec to open my mp3 files? the software centre seems unable to do so.00:22
charlie-tcause Synaptic Package Manager instead00:22
ionitecharlie-tca: so i click reload at the manager?00:23
charlie-tcaYou can try a different mirror, yes00:23
ionitecharlie-tca: i receive this @ synaptics managerFailed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.00:24
charlie-tcayes, the mirror is not updated yet00:27
ionitecharlie-tca: so can i change mirror at synaptics?00:27
charlie-tcait's the same message. now seach for the mp3 codec00:27
ionitei got so many down the lists regarding mp3 , which should i choose?00:27
ionitecharlie-tca: so how do i change mirror @ the syn manager?00:28
ubottuUbuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Natty, and help keeping the servers' load low!00:28
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories00:28
charlie-tcathis one, I think - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources00:29
jrmywow.. when have you been able to drag a window into another session.. or whatever its called by dragging either all the way left or right?00:29
charlie-tcain Xubuntu, it simply depends on your settings. I been able to do that since 200600:30
jrmylol.. suprised i just found out00:30
ionitecharlie-tca: i can't find my adept manager?00:30
charlie-tcaI don't know what that is even. Are you using Kubuntu?00:31
charlie-tcaXubuntu doesn't use adept00:31
ionitegreat! u left00:36
ionitecan anyone help me with my mp3 codec?00:36
ballionite: What's it doing?00:38
ioniteball: can't play mp3 files00:38
ballionite: Did you choose to add the Fluendo codec thing at install-time?00:39
ioniteball: sorry i dunoe. i'm totally an idiot to ubuntu.00:40
ioniteW: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temp00:40
David-Aionite: if still problem with the mirror when updating, try another in system>admin>softwaresources setting Download From to another mirror, or let it select one automatically.00:40
David-Aionite: (remember what it was before if you one day want to change back)00:41
ioniteDavid-A: ok thanks!00:42
ioniteball: so how do i solve the mp3 problem?00:50
ballionite: Do you have access to the Internet from your Xubuntu machine?00:51
ioniteball: yes00:55
ballThere's probably a way to install the Fluendo codec thing using Xubuntu's package manager... is that synaptic?00:58
ioniteball: so u have a command or sometihng?01:00
David-Aionite: the simplest way to enable mp3,wmv,flash and other restricted formats is to install the package xubuntu-restricted-extras. have you done that?01:01
ioniteDavid-A: i dun think so. what's the command line?01:01
ballionite: "sudo apt-get ubuntu-restricted-extras"01:01
ball(what David-A said ;-)01:01
ballionite: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"01:02
ballSorry, I forgot the install part there.01:02
ioniteball: David-A E: Invalid operation ubuntu-restricted-extras01:02
David-Anote: "x" xubuntu-rest... for xubuntu01:02
ballDavid-A: Oops.  Wish I'd known that earlier today.01:02
ballOh well.01:02
ballI wonder if it's too late to fix that.01:03
ioniteE: Invalid operation xubuntu-restricted-extras01:03
ballionite: did you remember the "install" part?01:04
ioniteroot@david-desktop:~# sudo apt-get xubuntu-restricted-extras install E: Invalid operation xubuntu-restricted-extras01:04
David-Aionite: if you like a graphical interface, try Synaptic or SoftwareCenter and search for restricted01:05
ioniteDavid-A: it doesn't matter to me as long as it gets installed01:06
David-Aionite: it does not matter to me either, but you dont have to remember picky syntax with a graphical interface.01:07
ioniteDavid-A: as long as the command i copy & paste are correct i'll be fine right?01:08
David-Aionite: exactly right!01:08
ioniteDavid-A: so why didn't the command worked?01:09
David-Aionite: the precondition "as long as the command i copy & paste are CORRECT" did not hold01:10
David-Aionite: so YOUR logic were perfectly correct!01:11
ioniteDavid-A: Please explain to me as i am noob to ubuntu.01:11
David-Aionite: open Synaptic or SoftwareCenter, search for "restricted" to find xubuntu-restricted-extras, install it.01:17
David-Aionite: the person who introduced (x/k)ubuntu, did they not tell you that the first thing you do normally is to install (x/k)ubuntu-restricted-extras? (that for pantent/copyright reasons cannot be preinstalled in certain coutries)01:20
ballHello rynx01:24
ballAlmost all of my music is in Ogg/Vorbis format, but MP3 is handy for the podcasts that I listen to.01:26
ballHow long before that MP3 patent runs out?01:26
ioniteball: where do u d/l ur songs?01:28
ballionite: I ripped mine from CD01:28
ball(or rather, I'm in the process of ripping mine from CD)01:28
ballI sometimes download the odd tune from ccmixter too01:29
ionitecan xbuntu read power point, word document files and excell file?01:31
David-Aball: I googled your exact question. 2nd hit suggest mid 2010s, ie ca 2015. its on the internets so it must be true :) - but there are lawyers and lobbies, so it might be "never".01:31
ballionite: It's not Xubuntu's job to do that, but some of the provided applications might be able to01:32
ball(e.g. Abiword, Gnumeric)01:32
ball...or you can install LibreOffice01:32
ioniteball: so abiword can do it?01:32
ballionite: I'd have to check whether it can do WordPerfect01:32
ballI know it can do (some?) MS Word files.01:33
ballI usually delete both and install LibreOffice instead.01:33
David-Aionite: openoffice.org and libreoffice suits can read those file types. (The docs will not always be shown exactly as in microsofts office programs.)01:33
ionitelibreoffice is better?01:34
ballionite: LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org.  I told my users it was just "the new name for OpenOffice.org"01:35
ball...they're on a need-to-know basis ;-)01:35
ioniteball: so it's better than others?01:35
ballionite: I don't know.  Haven't tried the others since we moved to LibreOffice01:35
David-Aionite: I think what is best depends on what you need. I think AbiWord might be easier to use, but Open/LibreOffice might have better compatibility with Word if that is important.01:38
ioniteDavid-A: abit word can read powerpoint files?01:39
David-Aionite: Its so easy to install all alternatives and try them for yourself. Then uninstall the ones you dont want.01:39
ioniteDavid-A: i'm a noob to ubuntu. it's been rather difficult to adapt since windows. so i'm still figuring it out.01:40
ballI want to like AbiWord, but I've found it to be buggy.01:44
ball...to the point where I don't want to use it when I have work to do.01:44
David-Aionite: Synaptic and SoftwareCenter will be your friends. When you want a music player, search for music or player, read the descriptions of packages found, install the interesting one, try them, uninstall if not like. Also search in ubuntuforums.org (or your local ubuntu forum site) if others have had the same question. They are also your friends.01:48
David-Aionite: and of course, you can ask here, we are your friends too. :)01:51
ionitehow do i connect to a network printer?01:53
David-Aionite: I really dont know. Can you describe what isn't working as expected, then maybe someone can help.01:59
ioniteDavid-A: I mean any software that assist me to connect to the network printer?02:00
David-Aionite: As I understand it, you dont install software for it, just set things up in different settings.02:01
ioniteDavid-A: which button do i click to see?02:01
jrmydoes xubuntu come with python?04:22
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xubuntu338hi mans :D07:05
xubuntu338how i can see and change hot-key for netbook?07:07
xubuntu338in xfce07:07
xubuntu338dont see this config file07:07
TheSheepxubuntu338: settings -> settings manager -> window manager -> keyboard07:08
xubuntu338here havent setting example FN+R  off sound07:09
xubuntu338but it work07:09
xubuntu338where i cant find setting07:09
xubuntu338on openbox it was ~/openbox/activ.setting07:11
Sysiyou can set custom shortcut for something like amixer set Master mute07:11
xubuntu338here was all hot key07:11
xubuntu338no, me need other function07:12
SysiI think fn+something key combinations are handled by something on lower level than xfce07:12
Sysiwell set other action to that combination and see if it works?07:13
xubuntu338but i cant find config for change combitation07:14
Sysiisn't any07:14
xubuntu338other FN+*  work too07:14
Sysijust add the hotkey and command, according to what you want to do07:15
Sysiwhat do you want to happen when you do what actually?07:15
nankurahey world!07:16
xubuntu338just when I had stood openbox configs to edit the hot key transferred to a lower level, then a layer of xfce is to transfer to a lower level, because I'm sure that officially supports acpi kernel my laptop07:19
xubuntu338sry bad english :D07:19
Sysiopenbox is just a windowmanager.. you can use it with xfce though07:20
xubuntu338i dont want use openbox, i want find this config who sends commands to the low level07:21
Sysiif you just told me what you want to happen with some keyboard shortcut, I maybe could tell how it can be done07:22
xubuntu338i want make work backlight on me nootebook07:24
xubuntu338kernel is suppert me acpi 100%07:24
Sysibut it needed some tweaking on openbox to make the buttons work?07:25
xubuntu338with 2.6.3807:25
Sysiif something worked with openbox, xfce shouldn't break it07:25
xubuntu338on openbox it dont work, i edit hot-key config, example  FN+R > COMMANT #4807:27
xubuntu338and backlight work07:27
xubuntu338for lowe FN+CoMMAND #4907:27
Sysiwell, set that in xfce's hotkey dialog?07:28
Sysiit's where TheSheep said it is07:29
xubuntu338backlight is work07:32
xubuntu338:D omg man big thx you, i dont see that i can add hotkey, i think i can only change :D07:32
painkillerwho have windows7 and xubuntu double boot, give me plz  /boot/grub/grub.conf07:46
painkillernobody have? :D07:48
knomegrub configs might not be compatible, even if somebody had the same OS setup than you.07:49
knomerather than asking for something specific, maybe try to tell us what the real problem is07:49
painkilleri dont remember syntacsis07:49
painkillerchainloader +1 and ....07:49
knomegoogle "windows 7 grub"07:50
Sysiwith grub2 it isn't done like that anyway, grub2 should find windows automatically07:51
painkillergrub2 dont see my bootlaoder sda07:51
knomeSysi, well, you can always force things even with grub2...07:52
Sysipainkiller: try os-prober07:54
Sysiyou maybe need to install it, then run with sudo07:54
painkilleri use sudo update-grub07:56
painkillerand windows dont see07:56
knomepainkiller, so did you try os-prober as Sysi suggested?07:57
painkiller? i have installed grub07:58
painkilleron /dev/sda07:58
knome!info os-prober07:58
ubottuos-prober (source: os-prober): utility to detect other OSes on a set of drives. In component main, is optional. Version 1.44ubuntu1 (natty), package size 16 kB, installed size 192 kB07:58
painkillerin grub list havent windows07:58
knome'sudo apt-get install os-prober', 'sudo os-prober'07:59
painkilleros-prober dont give nothing08:01
painkilleri have xubuntu 110408:01
knomeare you sure the windows installation is valid?08:01
painkillery i have windows on /dev/sda208:01
painkillerand have boot windows /dev/sda108:02
painkilleri want add to /boot/grub/grub.conf    /dev/sda108:02
painkillerbut i dont remember syntacsis08:02
Sysiit was added to /boot/grub/menu.lst but that was with old grub, not done anymore08:04
Sysios-prober just runs. not any output?08:04
Sysiif it did that, run update-grub08:05
painkilleri havent menu.lst  i have grub.conf08:05
painkilleros-prober nothing08:05
painkillermb more easy take grun.conf ?08:06
nankurasudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt08:06
nankurasudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda108:06
Sysinankura: how do you think that would help?08:07
painkiller/dev/sda1   *           1          13      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS08:07
nankurahe wants grub on sda1 right?08:07
painkillersudo mount  -t ??? /dev/sda1 /mnt08:07
nankuraall he has to do is install it :/ then update it08:07
Sysino, he wants to boot to windows08:07
painkillerwhat is fs08:07
painkiller-t ntfs?08:08
nankurathen he needs to reinstall grub08:08
nankurai had the same windows/ubuntu issue ages ago08:08
Sysipainkiller: just run sudo os-prober ; sudo update-grub and reboot08:08
painkilleros-prober  dont give nothing08:08
Sysithat means it's succesful08:08
Sysino errors08:09
painkillerGenerating grub.cfg ...08:09
painkillerFound linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic08:09
painkillerFound initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic08:09
painkillerFound memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin08:09
painkillersee dont have windows08:09
Sysiokay, then you could try reinstalling grub08:09
painkillerto which section,08:10
painkillerto which section?08:10
painkillerreinstall /dev/sda6 ? where i have  / dir08:11
Sysiif you only have one hard drive, sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda08:11
painkillersudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda08:13
painkillerInstallation finished. No error reported.08:13
painkillernow run update-grub?08:15
painkillerGenerating grub.cfg ...08:16
painkillerFound linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic08:16
painkillerFound initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic08:16
painkillerFound memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin08:16
painkillerwindows dont find (08:16
painkilleri see this fucking syntacsis :D08:17
painkiller### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###08:17
painkillermenuentry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" {08:17
painkillerinsmod part_msdos08:17
painkillerinsmod ntfs08:17
painkillerset root='(hd0,msdos2)'08:17
painkillersearch --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 28020a1e0209f19c08:17
painkillerchainloader +108:18
painkiller### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###08:18
Sysiplease donät paste multiple lines to channel08:18
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nankurahey guys, whats the command to do a --replace for the XFCE WM, is it xfwm --replace?08:30
knomeXfwm4 --replace?08:33
knomeactually, it's "xfwm4 --replace"08:34
knomeneed to go, see you all later08:37
ionitecan i upgrade from my netbook remix to either XFCE or KDE?10:25
Sysiyou can change desktop before or after upgrade but not really when doing it10:28
Sysiyou can't upgrade with two *-desktop metapackages installed10:29
jrmyis it me or is linux being opened up to the gaming avenue? i saw the games for purchase section in the ubuntu software center10:33
Sysinot more than before afaik10:34
jrmyanyways.. i need to sleep its like 6am i think10:34
Sysimaybe you just didn't know it before10:35
jrmyah.. i guess i need to become a developer then so i ca change that ;]10:35
nankuraHey guys, ive been looking everywhere but i cant find a guide specifically for installing or deb packages SLiM login manager in xubuntu, anyone know of any guides or a simple way?10:35
jrmyi knew before i just found it interesting they'd add that to the software center10:35
Sysinankura: "apt-get install slim"?10:36
Sysi!find slim10:36
ubottuFound: python-slimmer, slim, slime, slimevolley, slimevolley-data10:36
Sysi!info slim10:36
ubottuslim (source: slim): desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-8ubuntu1 (natty), package size 755 kB, installed size 1424 kB10:36
nankurahow'd i miss that lol10:37
* nankura facepalms10:37
jrmywell night/morning...10:37
nankuranight dude10:37
nankurabtw whats the universe natty ppa?10:38
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories10:39
Sysinot ppa actually10:39
nankurayea ive been to the website and i dont get the "universe repos"10:39
nankuraeverything that is in the "universe repos" i can never enabled or find10:39
Sysiit should be there by default..10:40
nankurao.0 well i couldnt find slim10:41
nankurasearched the package manager and software cente10:41
Sysireplace "hardy" with your version name eg. "natty"10:42
nankurathanks for the help dude10:43
nankurathey are in my sources.lst10:43
nankurajust commented out :P10:43
Sysithat much default10:44
nankuraok uh new issue10:51
nankurai just installed slim and now i have no sound, my pulse audio isnt working or reading any sound cards10:51
Sysitry pulseaudio -k10:53
Sysiyou may need to (re)start pulseaudio after that10:54
nankurano luck o.010:54
nankurabrb trying something10:59
nankuraok, that solved it, i had to add myself to the audio usergroup11:05
nankuranow the only problem left is rebooting, ive lost rebooting options, according to slim, you have to add yourself to the "power" group, but there is no such group in xubuntu11:06
nankuraso im wondering which group has shutdown/reboot rights11:06
Sysiiirc slim has problems with consolekit (what authorisates eg. shutdown)11:07
nankurau gotta manually group yourself11:07
Sysiyou could make it to run ~/.xinitrc11:07
nankurais there a way just add myself to every user group in the system lol11:07
nankuradoing sudo adduser myname every single group on the system lol11:12
nankurai hope i dont screw my system, i dont have backups xD11:13
nankurasysi is this safe?11:13
Sysieven if it is I guess it won't help11:14
nankurawell according to the instructions, if your not in certain groups, features wont work11:15
nankuralike i tried to click change in users11:15
nankuraand nothing happens11:15
nankuralike i dont have rights11:15
nankuragdm ignores the groups i think11:16
nankurahm this seems abit much11:19
nankurahow do i switch back to GDM?11:19
Sysiinstall it / remove slim11:20
nankurawell the reason i wanted slim was its easy to change the theme / look11:20
nankurabut i guess ill have to stick to gdm11:21
nankurabrb rebooting11:21
nankurawelp that sucks. gotta stick with gdm11:29
nankurawhats plymouth?11:33
nankurai noticed theres a plymouth xubuntu theme package11:33
TheSheepnankura: the startup screen11:34
xrdodrxnankura, you won't have to wait long for an easy to change start up screen :)11:36
xrdodrxGDM is being phased out in 11.10 in favor of the easily-themed lightdm11:36
nankuraah sweet11:37
nankuraatm im trying to theme GDM with one i liked from gnome look11:37
nankurabut all the forums say go to settings > login window11:37
nankuraand u should get a theme choice11:37
nankurai dont have that11:37
Sysiinstruction for old gdm11:37
nankuraany idea how you change it now?11:38
ionitehow do i remove gmusic browser?11:38
ionitewhy does it keep pulsating the mp3 i listen to?11:38
ioniteit keeps repeating the same segment whenever my system is running @ full capacity.11:39
Sysiproblem with decoding mp3 I guess11:39
Sysiyou can install other plauer and remove gmb with synaptic or software center11:39
Sysinankura: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=133656911:41
ionitehow do i install exe files using wine?11:46
Sysiright click → open/run with11:47
ionitei'm removing the gmusicbrowser now. should i also remove the codecs it left behind?11:49
ionitehow do i remove gmusicbrowser as my default music player at the desktop Sound Preference button?11:50
nankuraanyone know how you can get "open as root or administrator" in Thunar like nautilus had in gnome11:55
Sysialt+F2 "gksudo thunar"11:56
knomenankura, edit -> configure custom actions11:56
nankurawhat do i put in the custom actions11:57
xrdodrxnankura, http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/custom_actions11:57
nankuraty :)11:57
ionitehow do i change default music player in XFCE?11:57
knomeionite, default player in what way?11:58
knomeionite, you mean the file associations?11:58
ioniteat the desktop.11:59
ionitesay i removed gmusic broswer but it stills appears as the default player in my Sound Preferences button.11:59
ioniteknome:  mp3s keeps repeating the same segment whenever my system is running @ full capacity. like a broken record repeating itself.11:59
Sysiyou can set player with pavucontrol propably, though it propably changes automatically when you start using some other player12:01
nankuradoes everyone here use 11.04 or is anyone still on 10.10?12:09
Sysiis somebody still on 10.10?12:09
nankurayea o.0 im curious12:11
nankuralike in mint, alot of people still use mint 10 because 11 has a million bugs lol12:11
Sysimint :(12:13
MyrttiI'm using 10.1012:15
Myrttionly because I've been too busy to upgrade12:15
Sysinew xfce in 11.04 has some nice new features12:15
nankuraxubuntu 11.04 is the most stable of all the ubuntu 11's ive used12:17
nankuraive had a phew issues, but nothing major, just little tickering things i couldnt figure out xD12:18
Sysixfce is stable12:18
nankuraoh ubuntu 11.04 and unity12:18
nankuraomg so many problems12:18
nankurai just played with XBMC12:18
nankurabrb rebooting12:19
nankuraok last thing im trying to edit/play with is system sounds, i enabled system sounds but i get no sound when closing a window etc12:22
Sysiwe can see the joinmessage12:22
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ionitei got this message while using WINE12:56
ionitethe file '/home/david/Desktop/English/autorun.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.12:56
ionitehow do i set files to be executable on XFCE?13:24
Sysiiirc thunar can do it now, right click → properties13:26
ochosiionite: you can circumvent that problem by right-clicking the .exe and then "open with" -> wine13:26
Sysior start it from terminal13:26
ochosibut yeah, what Sysi suggests usually works as well :)13:27
ionite_how do i set EXE file as executable in XFCE?13:30
ionite_bazhang: it can't run.13:34
ionite_how do i set EXE file as executable in XFCE?13:34
pmjdebruijnionite_: please be patient, not everybody has time to answer13:34
nankura_hey guys13:34
pmjdebruijnionite_: just hang back for a while until someone who knows' can respond13:34
knomeionite_, basically 'chmod +x filename.exe in terminal', one-by-one13:35
ionite_knome: take a look at my past bin file. i'm trying to go into my EXE file folder but i cant!13:39
knomeionite_, try 'cd Program\ Files', spaces need to be escaped13:40
ionite_knome: so i did a CH mod already13:42
ionite_knome: what do i do next? there's nothing to indicate it was sucessful or not for the +x13:43
knomeionite_, then double-clicking the file should run it.13:43
knome'ls -l' if you want to see the changed permissions13:43
ionite_-x or +x?13:44
ionite_my file is -x13:44
knomeas long as it has the X, it's executable (and there is no13:45
ionite_knome: i can run the UNINSTALL.exe but i can't run the boot up exe file! http://paste.ubuntu.com/659304/13:47
knomethat's a different problem. the software you're trying to install needs libraries that you don't have.13:48
ionite_knome: i don't get it?13:50
knomeionite_, you are trying to run a windows application in linux. you don't have the libraries.13:50
ionite_knome: can i wine an exe file in the CD?13:51
knomeionite_, yes13:51
ionite_knome: so that means i can't make my application work yeah?13:51
knomeionite_, you can try to install the libraries in wine, for support on that, ask #winehq13:52
ionite_knome: what does libraries means?13:52
knomeionite_, .dll files are libraries that (windows) applications use.13:52
knomeionite_, code that they need, in modular form13:53
ionite_knome: any idea where i could get it?13:55
knomeionite_, the libraries are probably on the application cd, but you need to add them to wine. ask #winehq on how to do that13:55
ionite_knome: that means it would be better if i installed it from the CD yeah?13:56
ionite_knome: btw, why can't i wine a file in GUI?13:56
knomeof course. you wouldn't install an application to windows by copying the files either?13:56
knometry running 'winefile'13:56
ionite_knome: i mean why must i go the terminal to wine XXX.exe?13:57
knomeionite_, try running 'winefile'13:57
ionite_knome: can't i just right click and run with wine?13:57
knomeionite_, that too, yes.13:58
ionite_knome: this it the file i'm running http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=2212713:59
knomeionite_, "Requires wine 1.3.11 or greater to run or iphlpapi.dll workaround (for details see HOWTO)."14:00
ionite_knome: what does it mean?14:00
knomeionite_, "see HOWTO"14:00
knomeionite_, please do not expect that somebody else does the thinking for you.14:01
knomeionite_, please use your own brain, you have such14:01
ionitehow do i view PDF files?14:50
knomedouble-click a PDF file14:52
ionitewhy does my audacious music player sounds like a broken record? is it because of my sound card? or?15:14
knomeionite, that, or pulseaudio15:16
ioniteknome: i tried gmusic and audcious and it kept playing intermitten audio whenever my system goes into full capcacity15:17
knomeionite, then it might also because too low resources.15:17
ioniteit stuttres15:17
ioniteknome: it stutters15:17
knomeif it's only when you are using all capacity, i sounds like resource problem. how much ram do you have?15:18
ionitewhen i switch windows or open a new tab for browsing i also get stutters15:19
knomehow much ram?15:20
knomethat's not awfully lot.15:23
ionitei dun think it's the ram prob because it stutters even at the simplest operation of minizing windows or tab switching15:23
ochosiany os + ff is really hard to run nicely with 512mb ram, at least in my experience (if you use more than one tab)15:24
ionitebut XP worked fine with my speakers.15:25
ioniteochosi: but XP worked fine with my speakers. so i mean what should i install or something?15:25
ochosinah, i think knome is right and there could be several reasons for audio to stutter. it might be connected to pulseaudio (you can try to uninstall it) or low resources or even a problem with gstreamer15:26
ochosihave you tried another music player?15:27
ioniteochosi: i tired gmusic, audacious, ubuntu default player too. all had the same prob. so should i uninstall pulse audio?15:27
ochosiyeah, you can give that a try15:28
ioniteochosi: even on youtube videos it's the same15:28
ioniteochosi: how do i uninstall? and what do i isntall to replace?15:28
ochosiit most likely won't break anything15:29
ochosiyou don't have to install anything in its place15:29
ochosijust uninstall the "pulseaudio" package and reboot15:29
ochosithat sould do the trick15:29
ochosiif that doesn't work or even makes things worse you can always re-install that package15:29
ioniteochosi: how do i uninstall?15:30
ochosivia synaptic or software center or the command line (as in: "sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio")15:30
ochosiionite: i'm off for tonight, probably ask someone else if you need more help15:32
ionitehow do i install pulse audio?15:40
TheSheepit's installed by default15:42
ionitemy music player stutters15:44
ioniteTheSheep: i tried gmusic browser, audacious, VLC all stutters. why is that so?15:44
TheSheepis it an old computer?15:46
Sysiyou could try removing pulse15:47
TheSheepcan you paste the result of this command: lspci | grep Audio15:47
ioniteSysi: i tried removing pulse and now i'm using ALSA vol screen in the termnial15:53
ioniteTheSheep: yes it's quite old15:54
ioniteTheSheep: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)15:55
TheSheepionite: take a look at this bug, maybe it will help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/5700515:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 57005 in linux-source-2.6.15 (Ubuntu) "All audio stutters in 6.06.1" [Medium,Invalid]15:57
ioniteTheSheep: any way out to fix it?15:58
TheSheepionite: you can try what they suggested in the bug15:58
TheSheepionite: you can also try to reopen the bug and provide more information that the original reporter didn't provide15:59
ioniteTheSheep: the website is taking ages to load!~ i can't see a thing15:59
charlie-tcaopen a new bug, please15:59
charlie-tcaToo much has changed15:59
TheSheepionite: I wonder, maybe you have some program hogging the cpu15:59
ioniteam i the only here suffering?15:59
TheSheepthat would also explain the stuttering16:00
TheSheepionite: easy to check, just search the forums and bugs16:00
charlie-tcaionite: file a new bug by using terminal, ubuntu-bug linux16:00
TheSheepionite: for your audio card model16:00
charlie-tcaRe-opening that bug will not get anything done16:00
TheSheepionite: but I don't remember anyone else having this particular problem before16:01
TheSheepcharlie-tca: sorry, I don't know the procedures and the last comment suggested that it would16:01
charlie-tcano problem. It's only valid to re-open if using that old kernel16:02
ionite_TheSheep: sorry i got DC16:04
TheSheepionite_: I was saying that you can try searching the forums for your particular audio card model, or just for general stuttering problems16:06
TheSheepionite_: ubuntu and xubuntu are very similar under the hood, so if you see simialr problems for ubuntu, the solution can be probably adapted for xubuntu easily16:07
ionite_TheSheep: so what should i do now? wait?16:07
TheSheepionite_: wait for what?16:08
ionite_TheSheep: after i post the bug?16:08
TheSheepPersonally I wouldn't wait, but try to search the internet for a soulution, but if you don't have the time and will to do that, you are not obligued. But the developers are rather busy people, so I wouldn't count on having it solved in just a few days by them.16:09
TheSheepalso, the more information you can provide, the more likely that they will find out what is wrong16:10
TheSheepthere was a page on the wiki with a list of things you can try16:10
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.16:10
TheSheepthe second link there16:10
TheSheepit's mostly for ubuntu, but xubuntu should be similar16:11
xubuntu833Xubuntu 11.04 : install disk correctly detects monitor as 1280x1024 60Hz Boot of installed system results in "out of range" error on monitor and system does not boot17:52
lindenleHi all, how do I access the shortcut key configurations for xfce in xubuntu?19:22
Sysisettings manager → keyboard19:25
lindenlei found it thanks!19:25
lindenlecan I move the bottom panel to the top?19:25
Sysiset it not-locked and drad from other end19:26
lindenleAre there keyboard shortcuts for resizing windows19:32
ChristopherNGIm in a slight problem, I dont want to use unity from ubuntu and the next release from them has no gnome classic option, and the support the for the lts version runs out in april.19:32
Sysilindenle: something in window manager settings19:32
ChristopherNGdoes xubuntu use the same ubuntu repository?19:33
ChristopherNGeverything is exactly the same except the gui?19:33
ChristopherNGwhich sounds like what im looking for19:33
Sysiyou can also try lxde, a bit lighter but also rougher19:34
charlie-tcaLTS versions have three years of support. 10.04 is supported until October 201319:34
ChristopherNGgreat! well thats what im looking for, xubuntu doesnt plan to change to unity because that just goes against the idea of having ubuntu with xfce?19:34
charlie-tcawell, actually, April, 2013, would be right19:34
Sysiit wouldn't be xubuntu after that19:34
ChristopherNGcharlie-tca: its april 2012 according to what i read19:34
ubottuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)19:35
ubottuUbuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) was the twelfth release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/100419:35
charlie-tcano, we produce a new lts every two years, which have a three year support period19:35
Sysihrrm, no eol day19:35
SysiChristopherNG: you can try xfce on your current installation and see if you like it19:35
ChristopherNGSysi: im actually running on a persistent live usb19:36
charlie-tcaEOL for desktops will the three years from release - 10.04 released in April 201019:36
charlie-tcaNew LTS will be in April 2012, but 10.04 will still have a year left19:36
ChristopherNGcharlie-tca: thanks for clearing that up, but i dont plan to keep using 10.04 for all that time.19:36
charlie-tcaheh, most of us don't19:37
ChristopherNGthis is just a means to an end because i dont want anything to do with unity.19:37
charlie-tcabut at least it does give you options19:37
ChristopherNGyeah thats very true19:37
Sysignome3 is a bit simpler, even if it's really not traditional19:37
ChristopherNGive spent alot of my time learning the command line, the gui in gnome is nice and easy.19:38
ChristopherNGall that time spent on the command line was well invested imo because it gives me a solid base for other distros19:38
Sysicli is good to know19:38
Sysiwhen xorg breaks you have even a chance19:39
ChristopherNGI dont care what anyone says that the command line is not important anymore, its the heart and soul of linux and love it or hate it you simply can not ignore it.19:39
ChristopherNGI actually started using linux back in 2003 with Suse 8.219:39
ChristopherNGgot lazy and reverted to windows, if i kept it up i would be alot better than i am now on the cli19:40
ChristopherNGused gnome and kde, never unity or xfce, so will see what its like.19:40
ChristopherNGif you were to compare xfce to gnome and kde, to which would you say it was more similar?19:44
Sysiold gnome19:44
Sysithough it has some options more available, like kde19:44
ChristopherNGi really disliked kde tbh19:45
Sysidefaults are horrible but you can set it to be really nice19:45
ChristopherNGim looking at some screen shots of xfce 4.8 it looks good19:45
ChristopherNGIn ubuntu the wifi connection is easy, it appears at the top right, you just click, enter password and its done...19:47
ChristopherNGin gnome atleast, trying to see where the wifi manager is in xfce19:47
ChristopherNGcant tell from the pictures, i really will have to try it19:47
madnickin xubuntu it is at the top right :)19:47
Sysisame applet in same place by default19:47
_marx_ha just testing that now19:48
madnickChristopherNG: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbqXvD4wEDI/AAAAAAAAENU/dv_zS0XwUCM/xubuntu-11.04_2.png19:49
madnickthat is a pretty default setup19:49
madnickOf current Xubuntu19:49
Sysilower panel is autohiding19:50
ChristopherNGmadnick: thanks i was looking at a very customized desktop no wonder i couldnt find the wifi on it.19:50
ChristopherNGthat picture atleast has a taskbar at the top19:50
ChristopherNGi was looking at this http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png19:51
ChristopherNGthats xfce 4.8, couldnt see the wifi on it, though i was going blind.19:51
ChristopherNGmadnick: with that picture you posted looks like you can add the "applications" "places" and "system" like it appears in gnome?19:53
ChristopherNGsave having to manually mount drives from the cli19:53
madnickChristopherNG: sorry I do not follow that19:57
madnickYou can access your partitions from the menu sure19:57
_marx_ChristopherNG: automounting a usb just worked fine for me19:58
charlie-tcaChristopherNG: only if you want more gnome stuff. Xfce doesn't have those menus19:58
madnickThere is a "directory" menu19:58
madnickthat you can put on a panel19:58
_marx_as did wireless; the only open one has a weak signal19:59
ChristopherNGYeah this picture gives a fair idea of where everything is http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-3.png20:01
madnickhehe, you gave me an idea for an app ^^20:04
ChristopherNGoh yeah?20:05
madnickA GTK panel widget for mounted devices20:06
ChristopherNGyeah is there not one already?20:07
madnickoh yes20:07
madnickthere is, but i want a special quirk :)20:07
ChristopherNGheh, ok!20:08
madnickSee the "folder" image?20:08
madnickOn the image i linked?20:08
ChristopherNGat the bottom?20:08
madnickyes but it can be put anywhere20:08
ChristopherNGyeah i see it20:08
madnickOn a panel :)20:08
madnickThats what I currently use for that20:08
ChristopherNGi thought that is a dock of somekind like cairo dock20:09
ChristopherNGim still not sure exactly what is a "power user"?20:26
ChristopherNGive read the definition of it, seems abit vague20:27
TheSheepdividing users into "experienced" and "newbie" is very harmful to usability20:27
elrosit's a sliding scale, with people on both sides of you20:28
elrose.g. those who know more than you are "experienced" and those who know less are "newbies"20:29
TheSheepthe thing is, your system has to provide a path from the newbie to the expert, and the less obstacles and irregularities on that path, the better20:29
TheSheepdividing it artifically creates a huge barrier in the middle20:30
TheSheepinstead, you want all your users to become experts eventually, without having to enable any options or entering any kind of 'expert mode'20:30
ChristopherNGi think weak computer users wouldnt be using linux in the first place tbh20:31
TheSheepChristopherNG: on the contrary, they should be usign linux20:31
_marx_ah don't know about that ChristopherNG20:31
TheSheepChristopherNG: it's easier to use and harder to break20:31
TheSheepChristopherNG: I have much less trouble helping my parents with the computer since I made them switch20:32
ChristopherNGFrom my experience people weak with computers dont know what linux is let alot use it20:32
TheSheepChristopherNG: that's not a problem with linux, and that's not something we want to stay20:32
_marx_don't tell them they don't need to know20:32
charlie-tcaand if it is on a computer they sit at, they still don't know what it is or what they are using.20:32
TheSheepChristopherNG: also, with all the netbooks and tablets, linux systems are actually becoming quite popular20:33
ChristopherNGWell ive tried to get people to use linux, I think it would be easier to convince friends and collegues to try herion.20:33
ChristopherNGim not even kidding, only one of my friends uses linux, and ive tried to convince others they just get "scared"20:34
* _marx_ experience older users that only do a few things are easier20:34
TheSheepChristopherNG: you are doing it wrong, also, drug abuse is something offtopic on freenode20:34
TheSheepChristopherNG: because you want to make them change, that's not a good approach20:35
ChristopherNGso how to do it then?20:35
TheSheepChristopherNG: if it instead comes preinstalled on a new computer, then they don't care, and after a while they don't want to go back20:35
ChristopherNGIm saying my friends and collegues wont buy a machine that comes with linux on it in the first place.20:36
GridCubethats why i try to install linux on new computers to people, but then they ask me to install windows and i say, well pay a license and they go elsewhere to pirate it20:36
TheSheepChristopherNG: I always did it like that. They got a new computer, I said that for now I only installed linux because I didn't have time to sit and setup windows correctly, so maybe they can use that for a while and I will do windows when I have some time.20:37
TheSheepChristopherNG: and then they never ever asked about windows again20:37
ChristopherNGthats a good way to do it20:37
_marx_ChristopherNG: i'm part of a local computer club; they use linux to fix their broken windows machines; several demos of Linux have been done at meetings; they still choose windows20:37
TheSheepChristopherNG: it's even better when they switch from a desktop to a laptop or netbook20:38
ChristopherNGthats what im trying to say some people depend on windows like a life support machine20:38
ubottu#xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!20:38
TheSheepChristopherNG: because the context is different, so they don't mind learning20:38
GridCubepeople please go to #xubuntu-offtopic whit this ok?20:39
TheSheeptrue, let's move to -offtopic20:39
_marx_i am going to have to convert two grandma's to xubuntu soon20:40
marc_ubuntu64hi everyone any fr?20:48
marc_ubuntu64I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old PC but he asks me to input the CD-rom in the middle of installation and the cd-rom is already in20:49
marc_ubuntu64any idea?20:49
GridCubemarc_ubuntu64, you should check if your disk was burned correctly20:50
marc_ubuntu64it's with an alternate cd20:50
GridCubethat shouldnt change anything20:51
marc_ubuntu64with md5?20:51
marc_ubuntu64i will try with another one20:51
GridCubean md5 checksum should do it yes20:52
marc_ubuntu64i go to this20:52
ubottuCe canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci.20:52
GridCubebut feel free to ask here all the things you want :)20:52
marc_ubuntu64my iso is ok20:56
GridCubeare you trying to install it to a notebook or something like that or to a standard box?20:57
marc_ubuntu64i said my .iso is ok but i have to try the cd rom20:58
GridCubedo you have another cd reader/burner?20:58
GridCubeoh ok, check that20:58
marc_ubuntu64i'm trying to burn another one20:59
GridCubetry to burn it at the lowest speed posible20:59
marc_ubuntu64I'll tell you21:03
GridCubemarc_ubuntu64, also the second option of the installer, just under Install, there is a "check disk for faliures" option21:09
marc_ubuntu64Is this for cd-rom or hard drive?21:10
Tanatos7Hello. When I turn my computer sometimes logs21:11
Tanatos7Can Someone help me?21:11
marc_ubuntu64the check I mean21:12
GridCubethe cd marc_ubuntu6421:12
GridCube!details | Tanatos721:12
ubottuTanatos7: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."21:12
marc_ubuntu64ok i will just wait for the second disk cause the install is soon finished and i just need the cd-rom to be recognised for this instead of restart from beginning ;)21:13
marc_ubuntu64shit still same message21:14
Tanatos7Xubuntu version 11.04 . When I try to shut down the computer sometimes logs off21:15
GridCubewhat iso are you using21:15
marc_ubuntu64restart all :(21:15
GridCubeTanatos7, you hit shutdown and it instead logs off?21:15
marc_ubuntu64GridCube xubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso21:16
marc_ubuntu64I'm checking the cd21:17
GridCubemmm yes i've used that one a few times21:17
GridCubeyou might have a problem whit your cd reader,  can you change the port that that unit is using? like another sata/ide port?21:18
marc_ubuntu64i will try it if next install doesn(t work21:20
Tanatos7can someone help me please?21:23
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GridCubeTanatos7, it is hard not understanding what your problem is, you are not being clare enough21:25
GridCubeplease try to explain whit as many words you can what your problem is, and when it happens21:26
Tanatos7I'm from Spain and I only speak a little English. My problem is that when I press the shutdown botton It sends me to the login screen. Sorry for my bad English21:30
GridCubeTanatos7, :) please join #xubuntu-es and I will help you there21:32
GridCubeim a spañish speaker myself :D21:32
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marc_ubuntu64GridCube thanks for all your answers i will change ma reader tomorrow. good night21:38
GridCubemarc_ubuntu64, :D good night hope that fixes it21:40
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philipballew10.10 that i am running will not turn off. anyone seen this before?21:56
philipballewyeah. mearcat21:57
charlie-tca11.04 will not always go direct to restart or shutdown21:57
charlie-tcawhat does it do?21:57
charlie-tcadoes it go to the login screen or just sit and look at you or what?21:58
philipballewwhen i drop to a tty and type sudo reboot for instalce the screen stops at will now restart system and does nothing for minutes till I have to manuallly power it off21:58
charlie-tcaDoes it do that from the gui ever?21:58
philipballewyeah, when I press shutdown or reboot it hangs at the ubuntu logo21:59
charlie-tcaIt might have a connection started from the desktop that the tty is unable to kill for some reason21:59
charlie-tcasounds like a network connection that can't be killed21:59
philipballewhow so?21:59
philipballewcome again?21:59
charlie-tcasometimes a connection to windows drives or ssh or something will get in the way of closing down22:00
philipballewi do have ssh server installed on it22:02
ChristopherNGphilipballew: whats happened?22:06
ChristopherNGthe computer is not turning off?22:06
ChristopherNGopen a terminal and type "sudo shutdown now"22:07
philipballewwhats happened ChristopherNG is that Xubuntu wont turn off or restart without manual intervention 690 percent of the time22:07
charlie-tcaIs something ssh'ing into the machine, then?22:07
ChristopherNGphilipballew: try it on the terminal22:07
charlie-tcaIt won't let you restart/shutdown if another is coming into it.22:07
ChristopherNG"sudo shutdown now"22:07
philipballewnot when i did sudo shutdown now 5 minutes ago no ssh was accsessing22:08
ChristopherNGphilipballew: are you doing ssh from the terminal or are you using putty?22:08
charlie-tcaWon't work if any thing can ssh into the system. I do have ssh server here, and if nothing comes in, I can shutdown fine. If anything else connects, it fails22:08
philipballewhow so charlie-tca ? i could apt-get remove ssh-server and see if it works then22:09
philipballewwhats happened ChristopherNG is that Xubuntu wont turn off or restart without manual intervention 690 percent of the time22:09
philipballewChristopherNG, terminal. much better22:09
ChristopherNGphilipballew: have you killed the connection for ssh from the terminal?22:10
charlie-tcaworth killing ssh before trying to restart or shutdown. That's easier22:10
philipballewwhats the best way to do that, just exit from my session?22:11
philipballewthats what i always do?22:11
ChristopherNGon the ssh terminal type "exit" and then "exit" again22:12
philipballewthats what i always do :)22:12
philipballewalright ill get to that when my ssh session finishes copying files22:12
philipballewhour tops22:13
ChristopherNGare you connecting to a vps?22:13
ChristopherNGoh btw, if anyone wants a top notch vps at a cheap price i recommend virpus22:13
ChristopherNGnone of this waiting days to report a problem and then getting a ticket number22:14
ChristopherNG...and someone who struggles to say more than a couple of words of english22:15
philipballewno, im on mu ubuntu laptop right now connected to my xubuntu desktop from ssh. though its 5 feet from me22:15
* philipballew is to lazy to move and use it physically22:15
ChristopherNGwould have been easier to just use a usb transfer cable or a portable hdd22:16
ChristopherNGor even better setup a nas22:17
philipballewwell the external hd is connected to the desktop, but id rather issue cp /wherever i want to copy to/ from here22:17
philipballewif you dig?22:17
philipballewits 120 gigs of music22:18
charlie-tcaYou are connected ssh to the computer that did not shutdown?22:19
charlie-tcaor from the computer that did not shutdown?22:19
philipballewwell when i tried to shutdown nothing was connected to it22:20
charlie-tcaThe only one I know with issues is Xfce 4.8, which will logout instead of shutdown or restart22:25
philipballewhum, maybe there is a ssh issue. ill se if temporally uninstalling ssh server works22:29
ChristopherNGxubuntu is actually maintained by the same company that makes ubuntu, i thought xubuntu was community driven not commercially..22:51
pleia2it's community driven, canonical just owns the trademarks and does hosting22:51
ChristopherNGoh great22:53
ChristopherNGalso i dont understand why they say xubuntu is for "lower end machines" just because it uses xfce, alot of people are coming to xubuntu or kubuntu because they dont want unity.22:53
ChristopherNGatleast thats what distrowatch says..22:53
madnickBecause XFCE is "light" :)22:54
pleia2it used to be, we removed it from official material a few releases ago22:54
pleia2distrowatch and other sites still reflect older material22:54
_marx_pleia2: really?22:54
pleia2you can certainly slim it down more than gnome, but out of the box it's not going to be fast on lower end machines like something like lubuntu or an openbox system would be22:55
pleia2_marx_: yeah, benchmarks out of the box were putting it close to gnome22:55
ChristopherNGyeah and faster on higher end machine22:55
madnickit used to be lighther i really think :P22:55
pleia2madnick: yeah22:55
madnickbecause when i started using it, it made my 128MB RAM machine really happy22:56
pleia2but then gnome got lighter and xfce4 got heavier ;)22:56
ChristopherNGso pleia2 how would you define xubuntu as it is now?22:56
madnickor 192, i dont remember22:56
pleia2ChristopherNG: full of awesomesauce and win22:56
ChristopherNGyeah im going to get it this weekend22:56
pleia2but more seriously: simple, highly configurable and user friendly22:56
ChristopherNGmy n00b question for the day, does xubuntu still support persistent live usb for booting like ubuntu or will i have to do a full install or play with it on a vm first?22:57
pleia2you can toss it on a usb stick22:58
_marx_if i have no freezes i'll be happy22:58
ChristopherNGpleia2: and persistence?22:58
pleia2ChristopherNG: you use the same tools to make the usb stick for xubuntu as ubuntu, so it should be fine22:59
ChristopherNGpleia2: yeah i will give it ago22:59
ChristopherNGI would have been better that instead of xchat you got irssi as default with xubuntu but you can always get that yourself22:59
pleia2irssi is too difficult to use for new users23:00
madnickIt would be less user friendly :)23:00
ChristopherNGirssi is what i personally prefer but its not difficult is it?23:00
ChristopherNGits not got a gui as such but still simple enough23:01
_marx_if you prefer it?23:01
charlie-tcairssi is quite difficult to learn, yes23:02
ChristopherNGWhat about including vlc as default instead of that other video player that comes with it? i understand you have to accept "free software" and all...23:02
ChristopherNGbut honestly who uses movie player over vlc?23:03
charlie-tcavlc is very big to have as default23:03
ChristopherNGjust under 80mbs?23:03
charlie-tcaThe movie player we include is not totem, it is gtk specific player23:03
madnickParole I think?23:03
madnickbut thats kinda new23:04
ChristopherNGthats the music player23:04
charlie-tca!info parole23:04
ubottuparole (source: parole): media player based on GStreamer framework. In component universe, is optional. Version (natty), package size 301 kB, installed size 1136 kB23:04
charlie-tca!info vlc23:04
ubottuvlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.9-1ubuntu1.3 (natty), package size 1374 kB, installed size 3536 kB23:04
charlie-tcanote the size difference?23:04
charlie-tcavlc is 3 times bigger23:04
ChristopherNGbut 30 times more useful23:05
charlie-tcaparole is movies, exaile or gmusicbrowser is music player23:05
* _marx_ has two volume controls, a wife that just got home from work, two wild kittens in the house23:05
ChristopherNGanyway, i do like the software that comes with it except xchat and parole23:05
ChristopherNGapart from that everything is good23:05
charlie-tcaThere will always be choices to make, we just have to start with something usable by everyone that fits our resources goals23:06
ChristopherNGgmusicbrowser looks like an opensource version of itunes or something23:06
ChristopherNGnever seen that before, except today on youtube someone was showing the xubuntu os23:06
ChristopherNGive watched about 5 reviews of ubuntu 11.04 and the changes made ie the new dock and the software that comes with it.23:07
jrmydont like the new dock but eh.. whatever23:08
jrmyforced me to set my panels to make it look like windows with a dock23:08
ChristopherNGits looks nice, especially if you were going to get cairo dock anyway..23:08
_marx_how to center it23:09
ChristopherNGalso it looks like the one with xubuntu actually doesnt have any stupid effects that will chew your graphics card23:09
jrmylol i use xubuntu even though i have a decent computer23:09
charlie-tcaThat isn't really a dock, but a panel. You can delete or modify it using panel23:10
ChristopherNGjrmy: yeah i have decent computers aswell23:10
jrmyi just like the xfce environment more23:10
jrmyhow can i make the panel look liek it used to?23:10
ChristopherNGjrmy: i dont know where this notion that xubuntu is for old machines came from pleia2 tried to explain it earlier..23:10
_marx_jrmy: understand choice23:10
jrmyi cant even remember what it looked like now, honestly23:10
_marx_unity crass=23:11
jrmywell it ran a heck of a lot faster on a p2 machine with low ram compared to ubuntu23:11
_marx_unity crashed this box23:11
jrmynot sure what unity is23:12
_marx_on i915 graphics23:12
ChristopherNGmy options are kinda limited so either it was jump on the unity bandwagon, which wasnt going to happen, continue using 10.04 lts, or go to kubuntu and since i hated kde that wasnt going to happen, so xubuntu is the best alternative for me.23:12
charlie-tcajrmy: right click it, panel, background solid, I think23:13
jrmy_marx_, i think i had the same graphics23:13
charlie-tcaIf there is a slider for transparancey, make it solid or 100%23:13
_marx_try it with your hardware ChristopherNG23:13
jrmycharlie-tca, but that only makes it solid which doesnt make it look liek it used too..23:13
jrmyto* like*23:13
madnickjrmy: it is an xfce panel..23:14
madnickhowever, its a newer version of xfce perhaps23:14
jrmyim gonna look at 10.x pictures to remember what it looked like23:14
_marx_mother nature is doing some cool effects at my house, later23:15
charlie-tcaYou can delete the panel, or the launchers in it, and add what you want to make it look like it did.23:15
charlie-tcaMIne has launchers on the left, workspaces on the right, and is not hidden23:15
charlie-tcait is solid just like the top panel23:15
ChristopherNGhow long have you folks been using linux anyway?23:16
jrmyidk,.. its been an on and off experience23:17
madnickfailed attempt early 00's, but ever since xubuntu 6.06 permanently23:17
jrmyi play games so... yeah23:17
charlie-tcaI only been on it since 200523:17
charlie-tcabefore that I used OS/2 and DOS before that23:18
ChristopherNGi had a failed attempt with Suse 8.2 back in 200223:18
jrmybut whenever my computer loses its OS i revert to using linux23:18
madnickI could not go over to GNU/Linux in the earlier 00's, because of VB6 :)23:18
ChristopherNGjrmy: i still keep windows on the side, but only ever use it for gaming now.23:18
ChristopherNGrunning games in wine is not ideal23:18
jrmyi generally had problems myself.. my panels never wanted to work.. which is odd23:19
jrmyyeah wine is ok for some games on linux23:19
ChristopherNGI play eve online23:19
ChristopherNGbut logging into that game to change skills is a chore23:19
jrmyi havent really been playing new games recently though23:19
ChristopherNGi really dont like having to do it23:19
ChristopherNGthis is going to be a cardinal sin but my xbox actually got the 3 rings of death...23:20
ChristopherNGi just finished completing GTA4, Hydrophobia, Bully, LA Noire, Portal 2, and almost done Mass Effect 2 before it died.23:21
jrmybtw offtopic is prefered in #xubuntu-offtopic23:21
ChristopherNGyeah dude, anyway i gotta run23:21
charlie-tcahere is my current Oneiric desktop - http://imagebin.org/16659023:21
ChristopherNGtalk to you all later23:21
jrmysee ya23:21
charlie-tcanothing hidden23:21
ChristopherNGwhy you keep that wallpaper?23:22
madnickI do too, I think its really nice23:22
jrmyi actually like the xubuntu wallpapers23:22
charlie-tcaI keep it because it agrees with me23:23
charlie-tcaand there have been very few that do agree with me23:23
jrmyi wonder if linux will ever have gaming23:25
madnickDoom 3 source getting released soon23:25
madnickSo we will have D3 :)23:25
jrmythat would be neat23:25
madnickacctually, there is alot of games23:26
jrmyif i could make games i'd sell them on other platforms and make them free on linux23:26
madnickmade by alot of people, just not "blockbuster" titles23:26
jrmysuppose that might be hard to do..23:27
jrmybut i guess indie developers do well23:27
jrmyanyways i was learning python so im gonna continue that even though its kinda hard to learn.... heh23:28
charlie-tcaThere is a gaming group for Ubuntu, they are trying to get gaming improved23:30
madnickis it internal?23:32
jrmyi shall have to join this group when i learn a bit more23:33
charlie-tcaI will have to dig up the info23:33
jrmymadnick, im just learning python for now.. that is if pygame is anything different23:33
madnickjrmy: its just a library :)23:34
madnickfor python23:34
charlie-tcatry /j #ubuntu-gaming23:35
jrmymadnick: ah.. well i guess i dont know enough about python yet23:35
madnickcharlie-tca: thanks23:36

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