[00:03] <jrmy> i did like 10.10 when i tried it with a live cd but it didnt work with my video controller with a computer i used to have
[00:12] <ionite> i am currently using XFCE but i kept receiving this: Fetched 522 kB in 3min 22s (2,583 B/s) W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, 
[00:12] <charlie-tca> wait an hour and attempt to update again
[00:13] <ionite> i waited for days and tried several times
[00:13] <ionite> i suspect it's the partial files that's causing these problems.
[00:15] <charlie-tca> what partial files?
[00:16] <charlie-tca> according to that, your mirror is missing some files
[00:16] <ionite> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658947/
[00:16] <charlie-tca> and that can take a few days or more sometimes to get updated
[00:20] <charlie-tca> it is normal to not fetch partial files
[00:20] <ionite> can't i change mirror or something?
[00:21] <ionite> charlie-tca: can't i change mirror or something?
[00:21] <charlie-tca> what command are you using?
[00:22] <ionite> sudo apt-get update
[00:22] <ionite> btw how can i d/l the mp3 codec to open my mp3 files? the software centre seems unable to do so.
[00:22] <charlie-tca> use Synaptic Package Manager instead
[00:23] <ionite> charlie-tca: so i click reload at the manager?
[00:23] <charlie-tca> You can try a different mirror, yes
[00:23] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:24] <ionite> charlie-tca: i receive this @ synaptics managerFailed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[00:27] <charlie-tca> yes, the mirror is not updated yet
[00:27] <ionite> charlie-tca: so can i change mirror at synaptics?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> it's the same message. now seach for the mp3 codec
[00:27] <ionite> i got so many down the lists regarding mp3 , which should i choose?
[00:28] <ionite> charlie-tca: so how do i change mirror @ the syn manager?
[00:28] <charlie-tca> !mirrors
[00:28] <charlie-tca> !repositories
[00:29] <charlie-tca> this one, I think - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources
[00:29] <jrmy> wow.. when have you been able to drag a window into another session.. or whatever its called by dragging either all the way left or right?
[00:30] <jrmy> workspace*
[00:30] <charlie-tca> in Xubuntu, it simply depends on your settings. I been able to do that since 2006
[00:30] <jrmy> lol.. suprised i just found out
[00:30] <ionite> charlie-tca: i can't find my adept manager?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> I don't know what that is even. Are you using Kubuntu?
[00:31] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu doesn't use adept
[00:36] <ionite> great! u left
[00:36] <ionite> can anyone help me with my mp3 codec?
[00:38] <ball> ionite: What's it doing?
[00:38] <ionite> ball: can't play mp3 files
[00:39] <ball> ionite: Did you choose to add the Fluendo codec thing at install-time?
[00:40] <ionite> ball: sorry i dunoe. i'm totally an idiot to ubuntu.
[00:40] <ionite> W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_main_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/id.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_natty_universe_binary-i386_Packages  Hash Sum mismatch  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temp
[00:40] <David-A> ionite: if still problem with the mirror when updating, try another in system>admin>softwaresources setting Download From to another mirror, or let it select one automatically.
[00:41] <David-A> ionite: (remember what it was before if you one day want to change back)
[00:42] <ionite> David-A: ok thanks!
[00:50] <ionite> ball: so how do i solve the mp3 problem?
[00:51] <ball> ionite: Do you have access to the Internet from your Xubuntu machine?
[00:55] <ionite> ball: yes
[00:58] <ball> There's probably a way to install the Fluendo codec thing using Xubuntu's package manager... is that synaptic?
[01:00] <ionite> ball: so u have a command or sometihng?
[01:01] <David-A> ionite: the simplest way to enable mp3,wmv,flash and other restricted formats is to install the package xubuntu-restricted-extras. have you done that?
[01:01] <ionite> David-A: i dun think so. what's the command line?
[01:01] <ball> ionite: "sudo apt-get ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[01:01] <ball> (what David-A said ;-)
[01:02] <ball> ionite: "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras"
[01:02] <ball> Sorry, I forgot the install part there.
[01:02] <ionite> ball: David-A E: Invalid operation ubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:02] <David-A> note: "x" xubuntu-rest... for xubuntu
[01:02] <ball> David-A: Oops.  Wish I'd known that earlier today.
[01:02] <ball> Oh well.
[01:03] <ball> I wonder if it's too late to fix that.
[01:03] <ionite> E: Invalid operation xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:04] <ball> ionite: did you remember the "install" part?
[01:04] <ionite> root@david-desktop:~# sudo apt-get xubuntu-restricted-extras install E: Invalid operation xubuntu-restricted-extras
[01:05] <David-A> ionite: if you like a graphical interface, try Synaptic or SoftwareCenter and search for restricted
[01:06] <ionite> David-A: it doesn't matter to me as long as it gets installed
[01:07] <David-A> ionite: it does not matter to me either, but you dont have to remember picky syntax with a graphical interface.
[01:08] <ionite> David-A: as long as the command i copy & paste are correct i'll be fine right?
[01:08] <David-A> ionite: exactly right!
[01:09] <ionite> David-A: so why didn't the command worked?
[01:10] <David-A> ionite: the precondition "as long as the command i copy & paste are CORRECT" did not hold
[01:11] <David-A> ionite: so YOUR logic were perfectly correct!
[01:11] <ionite> David-A: Please explain to me as i am noob to ubuntu.
[01:17] <David-A> ionite: open Synaptic or SoftwareCenter, search for "restricted" to find xubuntu-restricted-extras, install it.
[01:20] <David-A> ionite: the person who introduced (x/k)ubuntu, did they not tell you that the first thing you do normally is to install (x/k)ubuntu-restricted-extras? (that for pantent/copyright reasons cannot be preinstalled in certain coutries)
[01:24] <ball> Hello rynx
[01:26] <ball> Almost all of my music is in Ogg/Vorbis format, but MP3 is handy for the podcasts that I listen to.
[01:26] <ball> How long before that MP3 patent runs out?
[01:28] <ionite> ball: where do u d/l ur songs?
[01:28] <ball> ionite: I ripped mine from CD
[01:28] <ball> (or rather, I'm in the process of ripping mine from CD)
[01:29] <ball> I sometimes download the odd tune from ccmixter too
[01:31] <ionite> can xbuntu read power point, word document files and excell file?
[01:31] <David-A> ball: I googled your exact question. 2nd hit suggest mid 2010s, ie ca 2015. its on the internets so it must be true :) - but there are lawyers and lobbies, so it might be "never".
[01:32] <ball> ionite: It's not Xubuntu's job to do that, but some of the provided applications might be able to
[01:32] <ball> (e.g. Abiword, Gnumeric)
[01:32] <ball> ...or you can install LibreOffice
[01:32] <ionite> ball: so abiword can do it?
[01:32] <ball> ionite: I'd have to check whether it can do WordPerfect
[01:33] <ball> I know it can do (some?) MS Word files.
[01:33] <ball> I usually delete both and install LibreOffice instead.
[01:33] <David-A> ionite: openoffice.org and libreoffice suits can read those file types. (The docs will not always be shown exactly as in microsofts office programs.)
[01:34] <ionite> libreoffice is better?
[01:35] <ball> ionite: LibreOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org.  I told my users it was just "the new name for OpenOffice.org"
[01:35] <ball> ...they're on a need-to-know basis ;-)
[01:35] <ionite> ball: so it's better than others?
[01:35] <ball> ionite: I don't know.  Haven't tried the others since we moved to LibreOffice
[01:38] <David-A> ionite: I think what is best depends on what you need. I think AbiWord might be easier to use, but Open/LibreOffice might have better compatibility with Word if that is important.
[01:39] <ionite> David-A: abit word can read powerpoint files?
[01:39] <David-A> ionite: Its so easy to install all alternatives and try them for yourself. Then uninstall the ones you dont want.
[01:40] <ionite> David-A: i'm a noob to ubuntu. it's been rather difficult to adapt since windows. so i'm still figuring it out.
[01:44] <ball> I want to like AbiWord, but I've found it to be buggy.
[01:44] <ball> ...to the point where I don't want to use it when I have work to do.
[01:48] <David-A> ionite: Synaptic and SoftwareCenter will be your friends. When you want a music player, search for music or player, read the descriptions of packages found, install the interesting one, try them, uninstall if not like. Also search in ubuntuforums.org (or your local ubuntu forum site) if others have had the same question. They are also your friends.
[01:51] <David-A> ionite: and of course, you can ask here, we are your friends too. :)
[01:53] <ionite> how do i connect to a network printer?
[01:59] <David-A> ionite: I really dont know. Can you describe what isn't working as expected, then maybe someone can help.
[02:00] <ionite> David-A: I mean any software that assist me to connect to the network printer?
[02:01] <David-A> ionite: As I understand it, you dont install software for it, just set things up in different settings.
[02:01] <ionite> David-A: which button do i click to see?
[04:22] <jrmy> does xubuntu come with python?
[07:05] <xubuntu338> hi mans :D
[07:07] <xubuntu338> how i can see and change hot-key for netbook?
[07:07] <xubuntu338> in xfce
[07:07] <xubuntu338> dont see this config file
[07:08] <TheSheep> xubuntu338: settings -> settings manager -> window manager -> keyboard
[07:09] <xubuntu338> here havent setting example FN+R  off sound
[07:09] <xubuntu338> but it work
[07:09] <xubuntu338> where i cant find setting
[07:10] <xubuntu338> can*
[07:11] <xubuntu338> on openbox it was ~/openbox/activ.setting
[07:11] <Sysi> you can set custom shortcut for something like amixer set Master mute
[07:11] <xubuntu338> here was all hot key
[07:12] <xubuntu338> no, me need other function
[07:12] <Sysi> I think fn+something key combinations are handled by something on lower level than xfce
[07:13] <Sysi> well set other action to that combination and see if it works?
[07:14] <xubuntu338> but i cant find config for change combitation
[07:14] <Sysi> isn't any
[07:14] <xubuntu338> combination*
[07:14] <xubuntu338> other FN+*  work too
[07:15] <Sysi> just add the hotkey and command, according to what you want to do
[07:15] <Sysi> what do you want to happen when you do what actually?
[07:16] <nankura> hey world!
[07:19] <xubuntu338> just when I had stood openbox configs to edit the hot key transferred to a lower level, then a layer of xfce is to transfer to a lower level, because I'm sure that officially supports acpi kernel my laptop
[07:19] <xubuntu338> sry bad english :D
[07:20] <Sysi> openbox is just a windowmanager.. you can use it with xfce though
[07:21] <xubuntu338> i dont want use openbox, i want find this config who sends commands to the low level
[07:22] <Sysi> if you just told me what you want to happen with some keyboard shortcut, I maybe could tell how it can be done
[07:24] <xubuntu338> i want make work backlight on me nootebook
[07:24] <xubuntu338> kernel is suppert me acpi 100%
[07:25] <Sysi> but it needed some tweaking on openbox to make the buttons work?
[07:25] <xubuntu338> with 2.6.38
[07:25] <Sysi> if something worked with openbox, xfce shouldn't break it
[07:27] <xubuntu338> on openbox it dont work, i edit hot-key config, example  FN+R > COMMANT #48
[07:27] <xubuntu338> and backlight work
[07:27] <xubuntu338> for lowe FN+CoMMAND #49
[07:28] <Sysi> well, set that in xfce's hotkey dialog?
[07:29] <Sysi> it's where TheSheep said it is
[07:32] <xubuntu338> backlight is work
[07:32] <xubuntu338> :D omg man big thx you, i dont see that i can add hotkey, i think i can only change :D
[07:32] <xubuntu338> mYXAXAXA!!!!
[07:40] <painkiller> =)
[07:46] <painkiller> who have windows7 and xubuntu double boot, give me plz  /boot/grub/grub.conf
[07:47] <painkiller> ???
[07:48] <painkiller> nobody have? :D
[07:49] <knome> grub configs might not be compatible, even if somebody had the same OS setup than you.
[07:49] <knome> rather than asking for something specific, maybe try to tell us what the real problem is
[07:49] <painkiller> i dont remember syntacsis
[07:49] <painkiller> chainloader +1 and ....
[07:50] <knome> google "windows 7 grub"
[07:51] <Sysi> with grub2 it isn't done like that anyway, grub2 should find windows automatically
[07:51] <painkiller> grub2 dont see my bootlaoder sda
[07:52] <knome> Sysi, well, you can always force things even with grub2...
[07:54] <Sysi> painkiller: try os-prober
[07:54] <Sysi> you maybe need to install it, then run with sudo
[07:56] <painkiller> i use sudo update-grub
[07:56] <painkiller> and windows dont see
[07:57] <knome> painkiller, so did you try os-prober as Sysi suggested?
[07:58] <painkiller> ? i have installed grub
[07:58] <painkiller> on /dev/sda
[07:58] <knome> !info os-prober
[07:58] <painkiller> in grub list havent windows
[07:59] <knome> 'sudo apt-get install os-prober', 'sudo os-prober'
[07:59] <painkiller> kk
[08:01] <painkiller> os-prober dont give nothing
[08:01] <painkiller> i have xubuntu 1104
[08:01] <knome> are you sure the windows installation is valid?
[08:01] <painkiller> y i have windows on /dev/sda2
[08:02] <painkiller> and have boot windows /dev/sda1
[08:02] <painkiller> 100mb
[08:02] <painkiller> i want add to /boot/grub/grub.conf    /dev/sda1
[08:02] <painkiller> but i dont remember syntacsis
[08:04] <Sysi> it was added to /boot/grub/menu.lst but that was with old grub, not done anymore
[08:04] <Sysi> os-prober just runs. not any output?
[08:05] <Sysi> if it did that, run update-grub
[08:05] <painkiller> i havent menu.lst  i have grub.conf
[08:05] <painkiller> os-prober nothing
[08:06] <painkiller> mb more easy take grun.conf ?
[08:06] <nankura> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[08:06] <nankura> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda1
[08:07] <Sysi> nankura: how do you think that would help?
[08:07] <painkiller> /dev/sda1   *           1          13      102400    7  HPFS/NTFS
[08:07] <nankura> he wants grub on sda1 right?
[08:07] <painkiller> sudo mount  -t ??? /dev/sda1 /mnt
[08:07] <nankura> all he has to do is install it :/ then update it
[08:07] <Sysi> no, he wants to boot to windows
[08:07] <painkiller> what is fs
[08:07] <nankura> ah
[08:08] <painkiller> -t ntfs?
[08:08] <nankura> then he needs to reinstall grub
[08:08] <nankura> i had the same windows/ubuntu issue ages ago
[08:08] <nankura> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1738723
[08:08] <Sysi> painkiller: just run sudo os-prober ; sudo update-grub and reboot
[08:08] <painkiller> os-prober  dont give nothing
[08:08] <Sysi> that means it's succesful
[08:09] <Sysi> no errors
[08:09] <painkiller> Generating grub.cfg ...
[08:09] <painkiller> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
[08:09] <painkiller> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
[08:09] <painkiller> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[08:09] <painkiller> done
[08:09] <painkiller> see dont have windows
[08:09] <Sysi> okay, then you could try reinstalling grub
[08:10] <painkiller> to which section,
[08:10] <painkiller> to which section?
[08:11] <painkiller> reinstall /dev/sda6 ? where i have  / dir
[08:11] <Sysi> if you only have one hard drive, sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda
[08:11] <painkiller> ok
[08:13] <painkiller> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/ /dev/sda
[08:13] <painkiller> Installation finished. No error reported.
[08:13] <painkiller> and?
[08:15] <painkiller> now run update-grub?
[08:16] <painkiller> Generating grub.cfg ...
[08:16] <painkiller> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-8-generic
[08:16] <painkiller> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.38-8-generic
[08:16] <painkiller> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[08:16] <painkiller> done
[08:16] <painkiller> windows dont find (
[08:17] <painkiller> i see this fucking syntacsis :D
[08:17] <painkiller> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[08:17] <painkiller> menuentry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" {
[08:17] <painkiller> insmod part_msdos
[08:17] <painkiller> insmod ntfs
[08:17] <painkiller> set root='(hd0,msdos2)'
[08:17] <painkiller> search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 28020a1e0209f19c
[08:18] <painkiller> chainloader +1
[08:18] <painkiller> }
[08:18] <painkiller> ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[08:18] <Sysi> please donät paste multiple lines to channel
[08:18] <painkiller> kk
[08:19] <knome> !pastebin | painkiller
[08:19] <knome> !language | painkiller
[08:30] <nankura> hey guys, whats the command to do a --replace for the XFCE WM, is it xfwm --replace?
[08:33] <knome> Xfwm4 --replace?
[08:34] <knome> actually, it's "xfwm4 --replace"
[08:37] <knome> need to go, see you all later
[10:25] <ionite> can i upgrade from my netbook remix to either XFCE or KDE?
[10:28] <Sysi> you can change desktop before or after upgrade but not really when doing it
[10:29] <Sysi> you can't upgrade with two *-desktop metapackages installed
[10:33] <jrmy> is it me or is linux being opened up to the gaming avenue? i saw the games for purchase section in the ubuntu software center
[10:34] <Sysi> not more than before afaik
[10:34] <jrmy> anyways.. i need to sleep its like 6am i think
[10:35] <Sysi> maybe you just didn't know it before
[10:35] <jrmy> ah.. i guess i need to become a developer then so i ca change that ;]
[10:35] <nankura> Hey guys, ive been looking everywhere but i cant find a guide specifically for installing or deb packages SLiM login manager in xubuntu, anyone know of any guides or a simple way?
[10:35] <jrmy> i knew before i just found it interesting they'd add that to the software center
[10:36] <Sysi> nankura: "apt-get install slim"?
[10:36] <Sysi> !find slim
[10:36] <Sysi> !info slim
[10:37] <nankura> O.O
[10:37] <nankura> how'd i miss that lol
[10:37]  * nankura facepalms
[10:37] <jrmy> well night/morning...
[10:37] <nankura> night dude
[10:38] <nankura> btw whats the universe natty ppa?
[10:39] <Sysi> !universe
[10:39] <Sysi> not ppa actually
[10:39] <nankura> yea ive been to the website and i dont get the "universe repos"
[10:39] <nankura> everything that is in the "universe repos" i can never enabled or find
[10:40] <Sysi> it should be there by default..
[10:41] <nankura> o.0 well i couldnt find slim
[10:41] <nankura> searched the package manager and software cente
[10:41] <Sysi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine#Adding%20the%20Universe%20and%20Multiverse%20Repositories
[10:42] <Sysi> replace "hardy" with your version name eg. "natty"
[10:43] <nankura> ah
[10:43] <nankura> thanks for the help dude
[10:43] <nankura> they are in my sources.lst
[10:43] <nankura> just commented out :P
[10:44] <Sysi> that much default
[10:51] <nankura> ok uh new issue
[10:51] <nankura> i just installed slim and now i have no sound, my pulse audio isnt working or reading any sound cards
[10:53] <Sysi> try pulseaudio -k
[10:54] <Sysi> you may need to (re)start pulseaudio after that
[10:54] <nankura> no luck o.0
[10:59] <nankura> brb trying something
[11:05] <nankura> ok, that solved it, i had to add myself to the audio usergroup
[11:06] <nankura> now the only problem left is rebooting, ive lost rebooting options, according to slim, you have to add yourself to the "power" group, but there is no such group in xubuntu
[11:06] <nankura> so im wondering which group has shutdown/reboot rights
[11:07] <Sysi> iirc slim has problems with consolekit (what authorisates eg. shutdown)
[11:07] <nankura> yea
[11:07] <nankura> u gotta manually group yourself
[11:07] <Sysi> you could make it to run ~/.xinitrc
[11:07] <nankura> is there a way just add myself to every user group in the system lol
[11:12] <nankura> doing sudo adduser myname every single group on the system lol
[11:13] <nankura> i hope i dont screw my system, i dont have backups xD
[11:13] <nankura> sysi is this safe?
[11:14] <Sysi> even if it is I guess it won't help
[11:15] <nankura> well according to the instructions, if your not in certain groups, features wont work
[11:15] <nankura> like i tried to click change in users
[11:15] <nankura> and nothing happens
[11:15] <nankura> like i dont have rights
[11:16] <nankura> gdm ignores the groups i think
[11:19] <nankura> hm this seems abit much
[11:19] <nankura> how do i switch back to GDM?
[11:20] <Sysi> install it / remove slim
[11:20] <nankura> well the reason i wanted slim was its easy to change the theme / look
[11:21] <nankura> but i guess ill have to stick to gdm
[11:21] <nankura> brb rebooting
[11:29] <nankura> welp that sucks. gotta stick with gdm
[11:33] <nankura> whats plymouth?
[11:33] <nankura> i noticed theres a plymouth xubuntu theme package
[11:34] <TheSheep> nankura: the startup screen
[11:36] <xrdodrx> nankura, you won't have to wait long for an easy to change start up screen :)
[11:36] <xrdodrx> GDM is being phased out in 11.10 in favor of the easily-themed lightdm
[11:37] <nankura> ah sweet
[11:37] <nankura> atm im trying to theme GDM with one i liked from gnome look
[11:37] <nankura> but all the forums say go to settings > login window
[11:37] <nankura> and u should get a theme choice
[11:37] <nankura> i dont have that
[11:37] <Sysi> instruction for old gdm
[11:38] <nankura> any idea how you change it now?
[11:38] <ionite> how do i remove gmusic browser?
[11:38] <ionite> why does it keep pulsating the mp3 i listen to?
[11:39] <ionite> it keeps repeating the same segment whenever my system is running @ full capacity.
[11:39] <Sysi> problem with decoding mp3 I guess
[11:39] <Sysi> you can install other plauer and remove gmb with synaptic or software center
[11:41] <Sysi> nankura: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1336569
[11:42] <ionite> ok
[11:46] <ionite> how do i install exe files using wine?
[11:47] <Sysi> right click → open/run with
[11:49] <ionite> i'm removing the gmusicbrowser now. should i also remove the codecs it left behind?
[11:50] <ionite> how do i remove gmusicbrowser as my default music player at the desktop Sound Preference button?
[11:55] <nankura> anyone know how you can get "open as root or administrator" in Thunar like nautilus had in gnome
[11:56] <Sysi> alt+F2 "gksudo thunar"
[11:56] <knome> nankura, edit -> configure custom actions
[11:57] <nankura> what do i put in the custom actions
[11:57] <xrdodrx> nankura, http://thunar.xfce.org/pwiki/documentation/custom_actions
[11:57] <nankura> ty :)
[11:57] <ionite> how do i change default music player in XFCE?
[11:58] <knome> ionite, default player in what way?
[11:58] <knome> ionite, you mean the file associations?
[11:59] <knome> bbl
[11:59] <ionite> at the desktop.
[11:59] <ionite> say i removed gmusic broswer but it stills appears as the default player in my Sound Preferences button.
[11:59] <ionite> knome:  mp3s keeps repeating the same segment whenever my system is running @ full capacity. like a broken record repeating itself.
[12:01] <Sysi> you can set player with pavucontrol propably, though it propably changes automatically when you start using some other player
[12:09] <nankura> does everyone here use 11.04 or is anyone still on 10.10?
[12:09] <Sysi> is somebody still on 10.10?
[12:11] <nankura> yea o.0 im curious
[12:11] <nankura> like in mint, alot of people still use mint 10 because 11 has a million bugs lol
[12:13] <Sysi> mint :(
[12:15] <Myrtti> I'm using 10.10
[12:15] <Myrtti> only because I've been too busy to upgrade
[12:15] <Sysi> new xfce in 11.04 has some nice new features
[12:17] <nankura> yea
[12:17] <nankura> xubuntu 11.04 is the most stable of all the ubuntu 11's ive used
[12:18] <nankura> ive had a phew issues, but nothing major, just little tickering things i couldnt figure out xD
[12:18] <Sysi> xfce is stable
[12:18] <nankura> tinkering*
[12:18] <nankura> oh ubuntu 11.04 and unity
[12:18] <nankura> omg so many problems
[12:18] <nankura> ooo
[12:18] <nankura> i just played with XBMC
[12:18] <nankura> awwwsooomee!
[12:19] <nankura> brb rebooting
[12:22] <nankura> back
[12:22] <nankura> ok last thing im trying to edit/play with is system sounds, i enabled system sounds but i get no sound when closing a window etc
[12:22] <Sysi> we can see the joinmessage
[12:56] <ionite> i got this message while using WINE
[12:56] <ionite> the file '/home/david/Desktop/English/autorun.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied from an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[13:24] <ionite> how do i set files to be executable on XFCE?
[13:26] <Sysi> iirc thunar can do it now, right click → properties
[13:26] <ochosi> ionite: you can circumvent that problem by right-clicking the .exe and then "open with" -> wine
[13:26] <Sysi> or start it from terminal
[13:27] <ochosi> but yeah, what Sysi suggests usually works as well :)
[13:30] <ionite_> how do i set EXE file as executable in XFCE?
[13:34] <ionite_> bazhang: it can't run.
[13:34] <ionite_> how do i set EXE file as executable in XFCE?
[13:34] <pmjdebruijn> ionite_: please be patient, not everybody has time to answer
[13:34] <nankura_> hey guys
[13:34] <pmjdebruijn> ionite_: just hang back for a while until someone who knows' can respond
[13:35] <knome> ionite_, basically 'chmod +x filename.exe in terminal', one-by-one
[13:39] <ionite_> knome: take a look at my past bin file. i'm trying to go into my EXE file folder but i cant!
[13:39] <ionite_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/659298/
[13:40] <knome> ionite_, try 'cd Program\ Files', spaces need to be escaped
[13:42] <ionite_> knome: so i did a CH mod already
[13:43] <ionite_> knome: what do i do next? there's nothing to indicate it was sucessful or not for the +x
[13:43] <knome> ionite_, then double-clicking the file should run it.
[13:43] <knome> 'ls -l' if you want to see the changed permissions
[13:44] <ionite_> -x or +x?
[13:44] <ionite_> my file is -x
[13:45] <knome> as long as it has the X, it's executable (and there is no
[13:45] <knome> +x)
[13:47] <ionite_> knome: i can run the UNINSTALL.exe but i can't run the boot up exe file! http://paste.ubuntu.com/659304/
[13:48] <knome> that's a different problem. the software you're trying to install needs libraries that you don't have.
[13:50] <ionite_> knome: i don't get it?
[13:50] <knome> ionite_, you are trying to run a windows application in linux. you don't have the libraries.
[13:51] <ionite_> knome: can i wine an exe file in the CD?
[13:51] <knome> ionite_, yes
[13:51] <ionite_> knome: so that means i can't make my application work yeah?
[13:52] <knome> ionite_, you can try to install the libraries in wine, for support on that, ask #winehq
[13:52] <ionite_> knome: what does libraries means?
[13:52] <knome> ionite_, .dll files are libraries that (windows) applications use.
[13:53] <knome> ionite_, code that they need, in modular form
[13:55] <ionite_> knome: any idea where i could get it?
[13:55] <knome> ionite_, the libraries are probably on the application cd, but you need to add them to wine. ask #winehq on how to do that
[13:56] <ionite_> knome: that means it would be better if i installed it from the CD yeah?
[13:56] <ionite_> knome: btw, why can't i wine a file in GUI?
[13:56] <knome> of course. you wouldn't install an application to windows by copying the files either?
[13:56] <knome> try running 'winefile'
[13:57] <ionite_> knome: i mean why must i go the terminal to wine XXX.exe?
[13:57] <knome> ionite_, try running 'winefile'
[13:57] <ionite_> knome: can't i just right click and run with wine?
[13:58] <knome> ionite_, that too, yes.
[13:59] <ionite_> knome: this it the file i'm running http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=22127
[14:00] <knome> ionite_, "Requires wine 1.3.11 or greater to run or iphlpapi.dll workaround (for details see HOWTO)."
[14:00] <ionite_> knome: what does it mean?
[14:00] <knome> ionite_, "see HOWTO"
[14:01] <knome> ionite_, please do not expect that somebody else does the thinking for you.
[14:01] <knome> ionite_, please use your own brain, you have such
[14:50] <ionite> how do i view PDF files?
[14:52] <knome> double-click a PDF file
[15:14] <ionite> why does my audacious music player sounds like a broken record? is it because of my sound card? or?
[15:16] <knome> ionite, that, or pulseaudio
[15:17] <ionite> knome: i tried gmusic and audcious and it kept playing intermitten audio whenever my system goes into full capcacity
[15:17] <knome> ionite, then it might also because too low resources.
[15:17] <ionite> it stuttres
[15:17] <ionite> knome: it stutters
[15:18] <knome> if it's only when you are using all capacity, i sounds like resource problem. how much ram do you have?
[15:19] <ionite> when i switch windows or open a new tab for browsing i also get stutters
[15:20] <knome> how much ram?
[15:22] <ionite> 512mb
[15:23] <knome> that's not awfully lot.
[15:23] <ionite> i dun think it's the ram prob because it stutters even at the simplest operation of minizing windows or tab switching
[15:24] <ochosi> any os + ff is really hard to run nicely with 512mb ram, at least in my experience (if you use more than one tab)
[15:25] <ionite> but XP worked fine with my speakers.
[15:25] <ionite> ochosi: but XP worked fine with my speakers. so i mean what should i install or something?
[15:26] <ochosi> nah, i think knome is right and there could be several reasons for audio to stutter. it might be connected to pulseaudio (you can try to uninstall it) or low resources or even a problem with gstreamer
[15:27] <ochosi> have you tried another music player?
[15:27] <ionite> ochosi: i tired gmusic, audacious, ubuntu default player too. all had the same prob. so should i uninstall pulse audio?
[15:28] <ochosi> yeah, you can give that a try
[15:28] <ionite> ochosi: even on youtube videos it's the same
[15:28] <ionite> ochosi: how do i uninstall? and what do i isntall to replace?
[15:29] <ochosi> it most likely won't break anything
[15:29] <ochosi> you don't have to install anything in its place
[15:29] <ochosi> just uninstall the "pulseaudio" package and reboot
[15:29] <ochosi> that sould do the trick
[15:29] <ochosi> if that doesn't work or even makes things worse you can always re-install that package
[15:30] <ionite> ochosi: how do i uninstall?
[15:30] <ochosi> via synaptic or software center or the command line (as in: "sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio")
[15:32] <ochosi> ionite: i'm off for tonight, probably ask someone else if you need more help
[15:40] <ionite> how do i install pulse audio?
[15:42] <TheSheep> it's installed by default
[15:44] <ionite> my music player stutters
[15:44] <ionite> TheSheep: i tried gmusic browser, audacious, VLC all stutters. why is that so?
[15:46] <TheSheep> is it an old computer?
[15:47] <Sysi> you could try removing pulse
[15:47] <TheSheep> can you paste the result of this command: lspci | grep Audio
[15:53] <ionite> Sysi: i tried removing pulse and now i'm using ALSA vol screen in the termnial
[15:54] <ionite> TheSheep: yes it's quite old
[15:55] <ionite> TheSheep: 00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)
[15:57] <TheSheep> ionite: take a look at this bug, maybe it will help: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/57005
[15:58] <ionite> TheSheep: any way out to fix it?
[15:58] <TheSheep> ionite: you can try what they suggested in the bug
[15:59] <TheSheep> ionite: you can also try to reopen the bug and provide more information that the original reporter didn't provide
[15:59] <ionite> TheSheep: the website is taking ages to load!~ i can't see a thing
[15:59] <charlie-tca> open a new bug, please
[15:59] <charlie-tca> Too much has changed
[15:59] <TheSheep> ionite: I wonder, maybe you have some program hogging the cpu
[15:59] <ionite> am i the only here suffering?
[16:00] <TheSheep> that would also explain the stuttering
[16:00] <TheSheep> ionite: easy to check, just search the forums and bugs
[16:00] <charlie-tca> ionite: file a new bug by using terminal, ubuntu-bug linux
[16:00] <TheSheep> ionite: for your audio card model
[16:00] <charlie-tca> Re-opening that bug will not get anything done
[16:01] <TheSheep> ionite: but I don't remember anyone else having this particular problem before
[16:01] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: sorry, I don't know the procedures and the last comment suggested that it would
[16:02] <charlie-tca> no problem. It's only valid to re-open if using that old kernel
[16:04] <ionite_> TheSheep: sorry i got DC
[16:06] <TheSheep> ionite_: I was saying that you can try searching the forums for your particular audio card model, or just for general stuttering problems
[16:07] <TheSheep> ionite_: ubuntu and xubuntu are very similar under the hood, so if you see simialr problems for ubuntu, the solution can be probably adapted for xubuntu easily
[16:07] <ionite_> TheSheep: so what should i do now? wait?
[16:08] <TheSheep> ionite_: wait for what?
[16:08] <ionite_> TheSheep: after i post the bug?
[16:09] <TheSheep> Personally I wouldn't wait, but try to search the internet for a soulution, but if you don't have the time and will to do that, you are not obligued. But the developers are rather busy people, so I wouldn't count on having it solved in just a few days by them.
[16:10] <TheSheep> also, the more information you can provide, the more likely that they will find out what is wrong
[16:10] <TheSheep> there was a page on the wiki with a list of things you can try
[16:10] <TheSheep> !audio
[16:10] <TheSheep> the second link there
[16:11] <TheSheep> it's mostly for ubuntu, but xubuntu should be similar
[17:52] <xubuntu833> Xubuntu 11.04 : install disk correctly detects monitor as 1280x1024 60Hz Boot of installed system results in "out of range" error on monitor and system does not boot
[19:22] <lindenle> Hi all, how do I access the shortcut key configurations for xfce in xubuntu?
[19:25] <Sysi> settings manager → keyboard
[19:25] <lindenle> i found it thanks!
[19:25] <lindenle> can I move the bottom panel to the top?
[19:26] <Sysi> set it not-locked and drad from other end
[19:32] <lindenle> Are there keyboard shortcuts for resizing windows
[19:32] <ChristopherNG> Im in a slight problem, I dont want to use unity from ubuntu and the next release from them has no gnome classic option, and the support the for the lts version runs out in april.
[19:32] <Sysi> lindenle: something in window manager settings
[19:33] <ChristopherNG> does xubuntu use the same ubuntu repository?
[19:33] <Sysi> yes
[19:33] <ChristopherNG> everything is exactly the same except the gui?
[19:33] <ChristopherNG> which sounds like what im looking for
[19:33] <Sysi> yup
[19:34] <Sysi> you can also try lxde, a bit lighter but also rougher
[19:34] <charlie-tca> LTS versions have three years of support. 10.04 is supported until October 2013
[19:34] <ChristopherNG> great! well thats what im looking for, xubuntu doesnt plan to change to unity because that just goes against the idea of having ubuntu with xfce?
[19:34] <charlie-tca> well, actually, April, 2013, would be right
[19:34] <Sysi> it wouldn't be xubuntu after that
[19:34] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: its april 2012 according to what i read
[19:35] <Sysi> !lts
[19:35] <Sysi> !lucid
[19:35] <charlie-tca> no, we produce a new lts every two years, which have a three year support period
[19:35] <Sysi> hrrm, no eol day
[19:35] <Sysi> ChristopherNG: you can try xfce on your current installation and see if you like it
[19:36] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: im actually running on a persistent live usb
[19:36] <charlie-tca> EOL for desktops will the three years from release - 10.04 released in April 2010
[19:36] <charlie-tca> New LTS will be in April 2012, but 10.04 will still have a year left
[19:36] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: thanks for clearing that up, but i dont plan to keep using 10.04 for all that time.
[19:37] <charlie-tca> heh, most of us don't
[19:37] <ChristopherNG> this is just a means to an end because i dont want anything to do with unity.
[19:37] <charlie-tca> but at least it does give you options
[19:37] <ChristopherNG> yeah thats very true
[19:37] <Sysi> gnome3 is a bit simpler, even if it's really not traditional
[19:38] <ChristopherNG> ive spent alot of my time learning the command line, the gui in gnome is nice and easy.
[19:38] <ChristopherNG> all that time spent on the command line was well invested imo because it gives me a solid base for other distros
[19:38] <Sysi> cli is good to know
[19:39] <Sysi> when xorg breaks you have even a chance
[19:39] <ChristopherNG> I dont care what anyone says that the command line is not important anymore, its the heart and soul of linux and love it or hate it you simply can not ignore it.
[19:39] <ChristopherNG> I actually started using linux back in 2003 with Suse 8.2
[19:40] <ChristopherNG> got lazy and reverted to windows, if i kept it up i would be alot better than i am now on the cli
[19:40] <ChristopherNG> used gnome and kde, never unity or xfce, so will see what its like.
[19:44] <ChristopherNG> if you were to compare xfce to gnome and kde, to which would you say it was more similar?
[19:44] <Sysi> old gnome
[19:44] <ChristopherNG> great!
[19:44] <Sysi> though it has some options more available, like kde
[19:45] <ChristopherNG> i really disliked kde tbh
[19:45] <Sysi> defaults are horrible but you can set it to be really nice
[19:45] <ChristopherNG> im looking at some screen shots of xfce 4.8 it looks good
[19:47] <ChristopherNG> In ubuntu the wifi connection is easy, it appears at the top right, you just click, enter password and its done...
[19:47] <ChristopherNG> in gnome atleast, trying to see where the wifi manager is in xfce
[19:47] <ChristopherNG> cant tell from the pictures, i really will have to try it
[19:47] <madnick> in xubuntu it is at the top right :)
[19:47] <Sysi> same applet in same place by default
[19:48] <_marx_> ha just testing that now
[19:48] <ChristopherNG> heh
[19:49] <madnick> ChristopherNG: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/TbqXvD4wEDI/AAAAAAAAENU/dv_zS0XwUCM/xubuntu-11.04_2.png
[19:49] <madnick> that is a pretty default setup
[19:49] <madnick> Of current Xubuntu
[19:50] <Sysi> lower panel is autohiding
[19:50] <ChristopherNG> madnick: thanks i was looking at a very customized desktop no wonder i couldnt find the wifi on it.
[19:50] <ChristopherNG> that picture atleast has a taskbar at the top
[19:51] <ChristopherNG> i was looking at this http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-1.png
[19:51] <ChristopherNG> thats xfce 4.8, couldnt see the wifi on it, though i was going blind.
[19:53] <ChristopherNG> madnick: with that picture you posted looks like you can add the "applications" "places" and "system" like it appears in gnome?
[19:53] <ChristopherNG> save having to manually mount drives from the cli
[19:57] <madnick> ChristopherNG: sorry I do not follow that
[19:57] <madnick> You can access your partitions from the menu sure
[19:58] <_marx_> ChristopherNG: automounting a usb just worked fine for me
[19:58] <charlie-tca> ChristopherNG: only if you want more gnome stuff. Xfce doesn't have those menus
[19:58] <madnick> There is a "directory" menu
[19:58] <madnick> that you can put on a panel
[19:59] <_marx_> as did wireless; the only open one has a weak signal
[20:01] <ChristopherNG> Yeah this picture gives a fair idea of where everything is http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.8-3.png
[20:04] <madnick> hehe, you gave me an idea for an app ^^
[20:05] <ChristopherNG> oh yeah?
[20:06] <madnick> A GTK panel widget for mounted devices
[20:07] <ChristopherNG> yeah is there not one already?
[20:07] <madnick> oh yes
[20:07] <madnick> there is, but i want a special quirk :)
[20:08] <ChristopherNG> heh, ok!
[20:08] <madnick> See the "folder" image?
[20:08] <madnick> On the image i linked?
[20:08] <ChristopherNG> at the bottom?
[20:08] <madnick> yes but it can be put anywhere
[20:08] <ChristopherNG> yeah i see it
[20:08] <madnick> On a panel :)
[20:08] <madnick> Thats what I currently use for that
[20:09] <ChristopherNG> i thought that is a dock of somekind like cairo dock
[20:26] <ChristopherNG> im still not sure exactly what is a "power user"?
[20:27] <ChristopherNG> ive read the definition of it, seems abit vague
[20:27] <TheSheep> dividing users into "experienced" and "newbie" is very harmful to usability
[20:28] <elros> it's a sliding scale, with people on both sides of you
[20:29] <elros> e.g. those who know more than you are "experienced" and those who know less are "newbies"
[20:29] <TheSheep> the thing is, your system has to provide a path from the newbie to the expert, and the less obstacles and irregularities on that path, the better
[20:30] <TheSheep> dividing it artifically creates a huge barrier in the middle
[20:30] <TheSheep> instead, you want all your users to become experts eventually, without having to enable any options or entering any kind of 'expert mode'
[20:31] <ChristopherNG> i think weak computer users wouldnt be using linux in the first place tbh
[20:31] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: on the contrary, they should be usign linux
[20:31] <_marx_> ah don't know about that ChristopherNG
[20:31] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: it's easier to use and harder to break
[20:32] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: I have much less trouble helping my parents with the computer since I made them switch
[20:32] <ChristopherNG> From my experience people weak with computers dont know what linux is let alot use it
[20:32] <_marx_> ditto
[20:32] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: that's not a problem with linux, and that's not something we want to stay
[20:32] <_marx_> don't tell them they don't need to know
[20:32] <charlie-tca> and if it is on a computer they sit at, they still don't know what it is or what they are using.
[20:33] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: also, with all the netbooks and tablets, linux systems are actually becoming quite popular
[20:33] <ChristopherNG> Well ive tried to get people to use linux, I think it would be easier to convince friends and collegues to try herion.
[20:34] <ChristopherNG> im not even kidding, only one of my friends uses linux, and ive tried to convince others they just get "scared"
[20:34]  * _marx_ experience older users that only do a few things are easier
[20:34] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: you are doing it wrong, also, drug abuse is something offtopic on freenode
[20:35] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: because you want to make them change, that's not a good approach
[20:35] <ChristopherNG> so how to do it then?
[20:35] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: if it instead comes preinstalled on a new computer, then they don't care, and after a while they don't want to go back
[20:36] <ChristopherNG> Im saying my friends and collegues wont buy a machine that comes with linux on it in the first place.
[20:36] <GridCube> thats why i try to install linux on new computers to people, but then they ask me to install windows and i say, well pay a license and they go elsewhere to pirate it
[20:37] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: I always did it like that. They got a new computer, I said that for now I only installed linux because I didn't have time to sit and setup windows correctly, so maybe they can use that for a while and I will do windows when I have some time.
[20:37] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: and then they never ever asked about windows again
[20:37] <ChristopherNG> thats a good way to do it
[20:37] <_marx_> ChristopherNG: i'm part of a local computer club; they use linux to fix their broken windows machines; several demos of Linux have been done at meetings; they still choose windows
[20:38] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: it's even better when they switch from a desktop to a laptop or netbook
[20:38] <ChristopherNG> thats what im trying to say some people depend on windows like a life support machine
[20:38] <GridCube> !ot
[20:38] <TheSheep> ChristopherNG: because the context is different, so they don't mind learning
[20:39] <GridCube> people please go to #xubuntu-offtopic whit this ok?
[20:39] <TheSheep> true, let's move to -offtopic
[20:39] <_marx_> true
[20:40] <_marx_> i am going to have to convert two grandma's to xubuntu soon
[20:48] <marc_ubuntu64> hi everyone any fr?
[20:49] <marc_ubuntu64> I'm trying to install xubuntu on an old PC but he asks me to input the CD-rom in the middle of installation and the cd-rom is already in
[20:49] <marc_ubuntu64> any idea?
[20:50] <GridCube> mmm
[20:50] <GridCube> marc_ubuntu64, you should check if your disk was burned correctly
[20:50] <marc_ubuntu64> it's with an alternate cd
[20:51] <GridCube> that shouldnt change anything
[20:51] <marc_ubuntu64> with md5?
[20:51] <marc_ubuntu64> i will try with another one
[20:52] <GridCube> an md5 checksum should do it yes
[20:52] <marc_ubuntu64> i go to this
[20:52] <GridCube> also
[20:52] <GridCube> !fr
[20:52] <GridCube> but feel free to ask here all the things you want :)
[20:53] <marc_ubuntu64> ok/merci
[20:56] <marc_ubuntu64> my iso is ok
[20:57] <GridCube> mmm
[20:57] <GridCube> are you trying to install it to a notebook or something like that or to a standard box?
[20:58] <marc_ubuntu64> standard
[20:58] <marc_ubuntu64> i said my .iso is ok but i have to try the cd rom
[20:58] <GridCube> do you have another cd reader/burner?
[20:58] <GridCube> oh ok, check that
[20:58] <GridCube> :)
[20:59] <marc_ubuntu64> i'm trying to burn another one
[20:59] <GridCube> try to burn it at the lowest speed posible
[21:01] <marc_ubuntu64> x4
[21:03] <marc_ubuntu64> I'll tell you
[21:06] <GridCube> :)
[21:09] <GridCube> marc_ubuntu64, also the second option of the installer, just under Install, there is a "check disk for faliures" option
[21:10] <marc_ubuntu64> Is this for cd-rom or hard drive?
[21:11] <Tanatos7> Hello. When I turn my computer sometimes logs
[21:11] <Tanatos7> Can Someone help me?
[21:12] <marc_ubuntu64> the check I mean
[21:12] <GridCube> the cd marc_ubuntu64
[21:12] <GridCube> !details | Tanatos7
[21:13] <marc_ubuntu64> ok i will just wait for the second disk cause the install is soon finished and i just need the cd-rom to be recognised for this instead of restart from beginning ;)
[21:14] <marc_ubuntu64> shit still same message
[21:15] <Tanatos7> Xubuntu version 11.04 . When I try to shut down the computer sometimes logs off
[21:15] <GridCube> what iso are you using
[21:15] <marc_ubuntu64> restart all :(
[21:15] <GridCube> Tanatos7, you hit shutdown and it instead logs off?
[21:16] <Tanatos7> yes
[21:16] <marc_ubuntu64> GridCube xubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso
[21:17] <marc_ubuntu64> I'm checking the cd
[21:17] <GridCube> mmm yes i've used that one a few times
[21:18] <GridCube> you might have a problem whit your cd reader,  can you change the port that that unit is using? like another sata/ide port?
[21:20] <marc_ubuntu64> i will try it if next install doesn(t work
[21:23] <Tanatos7> can someone help me please?
[21:25] <GridCube> Tanatos7, it is hard not understanding what your problem is, you are not being clare enough
[21:26] <GridCube> please try to explain whit as many words you can what your problem is, and when it happens
[21:30] <Tanatos7> I'm from Spain and I only speak a little English. My problem is that when I press the shutdown botton It sends me to the login screen. Sorry for my bad English
[21:32] <GridCube> Tanatos7, :) please join #xubuntu-es and I will help you there
[21:32] <GridCube> im a spañish speaker myself :D
[21:32] <Tanatos7> ok
[21:32] <GridCube> !es
[21:38] <marc_ubuntu64> GridCube thanks for all your answers i will change ma reader tomorrow. good night
[21:40] <GridCube> marc_ubuntu64, :D good night hope that fixes it
[21:55] <Tanatos7> !es
[21:56] <philipballew> 10.10 that i am running will not turn off. anyone seen this before?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> 10.10?
[21:57] <philipballew> yeah. mearcat
[21:57] <charlie-tca> 11.04 will not always go direct to restart or shutdown
[21:57] <charlie-tca> what does it do?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> does it go to the login screen or just sit and look at you or what?
[21:58] <philipballew> when i drop to a tty and type sudo reboot for instalce the screen stops at will now restart system and does nothing for minutes till I have to manuallly power it off
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Does it do that from the gui ever?
[21:59] <philipballew> yeah, when I press shutdown or reboot it hangs at the ubuntu logo
[21:59] <charlie-tca> It might have a connection started from the desktop that the tty is unable to kill for some reason
[21:59] <charlie-tca> sounds like a network connection that can't be killed
[21:59] <philipballew> how so?
[21:59] <philipballew> come again?
[22:00] <charlie-tca> sometimes a connection to windows drives or ssh or something will get in the way of closing down
[22:02] <philipballew> i do have ssh server installed on it
[22:06] <ChristopherNG> philipballew: whats happened?
[22:06] <ChristopherNG> the computer is not turning off?
[22:07] <ChristopherNG> open a terminal and type "sudo shutdown now"
[22:07] <philipballew> whats happened ChristopherNG is that Xubuntu wont turn off or restart without manual intervention 690 percent of the time
[22:07] <charlie-tca> Is something ssh'ing into the machine, then?
[22:07] <ChristopherNG> philipballew: try it on the terminal
[22:07] <charlie-tca> It won't let you restart/shutdown if another is coming into it.
[22:07] <ChristopherNG> "sudo shutdown now"
[22:08] <philipballew> not when i did sudo shutdown now 5 minutes ago no ssh was accsessing
[22:08] <ChristopherNG> philipballew: are you doing ssh from the terminal or are you using putty?
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Won't work if any thing can ssh into the system. I do have ssh server here, and if nothing comes in, I can shutdown fine. If anything else connects, it fails
[22:09] <philipballew> how so charlie-tca ? i could apt-get remove ssh-server and see if it works then
[22:09] <philipballew> whats happened ChristopherNG is that Xubuntu wont turn off or restart without manual intervention 690 percent of the time
[22:09] <philipballew> ChristopherNG, terminal. much better
[22:10] <ChristopherNG> philipballew: have you killed the connection for ssh from the terminal?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> worth killing ssh before trying to restart or shutdown. That's easier
[22:11] <philipballew> whats the best way to do that, just exit from my session?
[22:11] <philipballew> thats what i always do?
[22:12] <ChristopherNG> on the ssh terminal type "exit" and then "exit" again
[22:12] <philipballew> thats what i always do :)
[22:12] <philipballew> alright ill get to that when my ssh session finishes copying files
[22:13] <philipballew> hour tops
[22:13] <ChristopherNG> are you connecting to a vps?
[22:13] <ChristopherNG> oh btw, if anyone wants a top notch vps at a cheap price i recommend virpus
[22:14] <ChristopherNG> none of this waiting days to report a problem and then getting a ticket number
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> ...and someone who struggles to say more than a couple of words of english
[22:15] <philipballew> no, im on mu ubuntu laptop right now connected to my xubuntu desktop from ssh. though its 5 feet from me
[22:15]  * philipballew is to lazy to move and use it physically
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> omg!
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> would have been easier to just use a usb transfer cable or a portable hdd
[22:17] <ChristopherNG> or even better setup a nas
[22:17] <philipballew> well the external hd is connected to the desktop, but id rather issue cp /wherever i want to copy to/ from here
[22:17] <philipballew> if you dig?
[22:18] <philipballew> its 120 gigs of music
[22:19] <charlie-tca> You are connected ssh to the computer that did not shutdown?
[22:19] <charlie-tca> or from the computer that did not shutdown?
[22:20] <philipballew> well when i tried to shutdown nothing was connected to it
[22:25] <charlie-tca> The only one I know with issues is Xfce 4.8, which will logout instead of shutdown or restart
[22:29] <philipballew> hum, maybe there is a ssh issue. ill se if temporally uninstalling ssh server works
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> xubuntu is actually maintained by the same company that makes ubuntu, i thought xubuntu was community driven not commercially..
[22:51] <pleia2> it's community driven, canonical just owns the trademarks and does hosting
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> oh great
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> also i dont understand why they say xubuntu is for "lower end machines" just because it uses xfce, alot of people are coming to xubuntu or kubuntu because they dont want unity.
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> atleast thats what distrowatch says..
[22:54] <madnick> Because XFCE is "light" :)
[22:54] <pleia2> it used to be, we removed it from official material a few releases ago
[22:54] <pleia2> distrowatch and other sites still reflect older material
[22:54] <_marx_> pleia2: really?
[22:55] <pleia2> you can certainly slim it down more than gnome, but out of the box it's not going to be fast on lower end machines like something like lubuntu or an openbox system would be
[22:55] <pleia2> _marx_: yeah, benchmarks out of the box were putting it close to gnome
[22:55] <ChristopherNG> yeah and faster on higher end machine
[22:55] <madnick> it used to be lighther i really think :P
[22:55] <pleia2> madnick: yeah
[22:56] <madnick> because when i started using it, it made my 128MB RAM machine really happy
[22:56] <pleia2> but then gnome got lighter and xfce4 got heavier ;)
[22:56] <ChristopherNG> so pleia2 how would you define xubuntu as it is now?
[22:56] <madnick> or 192, i dont remember
[22:56] <pleia2> ChristopherNG: full of awesomesauce and win
[22:56] <ChristopherNG> yeah im going to get it this weekend
[22:56] <pleia2> but more seriously: simple, highly configurable and user friendly
[22:57] <ChristopherNG> my n00b question for the day, does xubuntu still support persistent live usb for booting like ubuntu or will i have to do a full install or play with it on a vm first?
[22:58] <pleia2> you can toss it on a usb stick
[22:58] <_marx_> if i have no freezes i'll be happy
[22:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: and persistence?
[22:59] <pleia2> ChristopherNG: you use the same tools to make the usb stick for xubuntu as ubuntu, so it should be fine
[22:59] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: yeah i will give it ago
[22:59] <ChristopherNG> I would have been better that instead of xchat you got irssi as default with xubuntu but you can always get that yourself
[22:59] <ChristopherNG> it*
[23:00] <pleia2> irssi is too difficult to use for new users
[23:00] <madnick> It would be less user friendly :)
[23:00] <ChristopherNG> irssi is what i personally prefer but its not difficult is it?
[23:01] <ChristopherNG> its not got a gui as such but still simple enough
[23:01] <_marx_> if you prefer it?
[23:02] <charlie-tca> irssi is quite difficult to learn, yes
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> What about including vlc as default instead of that other video player that comes with it? i understand you have to accept "free software" and all...
[23:03] <ChristopherNG> but honestly who uses movie player over vlc?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> vlc is very big to have as default
[23:03] <ChristopherNG> just under 80mbs?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> The movie player we include is not totem, it is gtk specific player
[23:03] <madnick> Parole I think?
[23:03] <ChristopherNG> parole!
[23:04] <madnick> but thats kinda new
[23:04] <ChristopherNG> thats the music player
[23:04] <charlie-tca> !info parole
[23:04] <charlie-tca> !info vlc
[23:04] <charlie-tca> note the size difference?
[23:04] <charlie-tca> vlc is 3 times bigger
[23:04] <ChristopherNG> yeah
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> but 30 times more useful
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> lol
[23:05] <charlie-tca> parole is movies, exaile or gmusicbrowser is music player
[23:05]  * _marx_ has two volume controls, a wife that just got home from work, two wild kittens in the house
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> anyway, i do like the software that comes with it except xchat and parole
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> apart from that everything is good
[23:06] <charlie-tca> There will always be choices to make, we just have to start with something usable by everyone that fits our resources goals
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> gmusicbrowser looks like an opensource version of itunes or something
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> never seen that before, except today on youtube someone was showing the xubuntu os
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> ive watched about 5 reviews of ubuntu 11.04 and the changes made ie the new dock and the software that comes with it.
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> xubuntu*
[23:08] <jrmy> dont like the new dock but eh.. whatever
[23:08] <jrmy> forced me to set my panels to make it look like windows with a dock
[23:08] <ChristopherNG> its looks nice, especially if you were going to get cairo dock anyway..
[23:09] <_marx_> how to center it
[23:09] <ChristopherNG> also it looks like the one with xubuntu actually doesnt have any stupid effects that will chew your graphics card
[23:09] <jrmy> lol i use xubuntu even though i have a decent computer
[23:10] <charlie-tca> That isn't really a dock, but a panel. You can delete or modify it using panel
[23:10] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: yeah i have decent computers aswell
[23:10] <jrmy> i just like the xfce environment more
[23:10] <jrmy> how can i make the panel look liek it used to?
[23:10] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: i dont know where this notion that xubuntu is for old machines came from pleia2 tried to explain it earlier..
[23:10] <_marx_> jrmy: understand choice
[23:10] <jrmy> i cant even remember what it looked like now, honestly
[23:11] <_marx_> unity crass=
[23:11] <jrmy> well it ran a heck of a lot faster on a p2 machine with low ram compared to ubuntu
[23:11] <_marx_> unity crashed this box
[23:12] <jrmy> not sure what unity is
[23:12] <_marx_> on i915 graphics
[23:12] <ChristopherNG> my options are kinda limited so either it was jump on the unity bandwagon, which wasnt going to happen, continue using 10.04 lts, or go to kubuntu and since i hated kde that wasnt going to happen, so xubuntu is the best alternative for me.
[23:13] <charlie-tca> jrmy: right click it, panel, background solid, I think
[23:13] <jrmy> _marx_, i think i had the same graphics
[23:13] <charlie-tca> If there is a slider for transparancey, make it solid or 100%
[23:13] <_marx_> try it with your hardware ChristopherNG
[23:13] <jrmy> charlie-tca, but that only makes it solid which doesnt make it look liek it used too..
[23:13] <jrmy> to* like*
[23:14] <madnick> jrmy: it is an xfce panel..
[23:14] <madnick> however, its a newer version of xfce perhaps
[23:14] <jrmy> im gonna look at 10.x pictures to remember what it looked like
[23:15] <_marx_> mother nature is doing some cool effects at my house, later
[23:15] <charlie-tca> You can delete the panel, or the launchers in it, and add what you want to make it look like it did.
[23:15] <charlie-tca> MIne has launchers on the left, workspaces on the right, and is not hidden
[23:15] <charlie-tca> it is solid just like the top panel
[23:16] <ChristopherNG> how long have you folks been using linux anyway?
[23:17] <jrmy> idk,.. its been an on and off experience
[23:17] <madnick> failed attempt early 00's, but ever since xubuntu 6.06 permanently
[23:17] <jrmy> i play games so... yeah
[23:17] <charlie-tca> I only been on it since 2005
[23:18] <charlie-tca> before that I used OS/2 and DOS before that
[23:18] <ChristopherNG> i had a failed attempt with Suse 8.2 back in 2002
[23:18] <jrmy> but whenever my computer loses its OS i revert to using linux
[23:18] <madnick> I could not go over to GNU/Linux in the earlier 00's, because of VB6 :)
[23:18] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: i still keep windows on the side, but only ever use it for gaming now.
[23:18] <ChristopherNG> running games in wine is not ideal
[23:19] <jrmy> i generally had problems myself.. my panels never wanted to work.. which is odd
[23:19] <jrmy> yeah wine is ok for some games on linux
[23:19] <ChristopherNG> I play eve online
[23:19] <ChristopherNG> but logging into that game to change skills is a chore
[23:19] <jrmy> i havent really been playing new games recently though
[23:19] <ChristopherNG> i really dont like having to do it
[23:20] <ChristopherNG> this is going to be a cardinal sin but my xbox actually got the 3 rings of death...
[23:21] <ChristopherNG> i just finished completing GTA4, Hydrophobia, Bully, LA Noire, Portal 2, and almost done Mass Effect 2 before it died.
[23:21] <jrmy> btw offtopic is prefered in #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:21] <ChristopherNG> yeah dude, anyway i gotta run
[23:21] <charlie-tca> here is my current Oneiric desktop - http://imagebin.org/166590
[23:21] <ChristopherNG> talk to you all later
[23:21] <jrmy> see ya
[23:21] <charlie-tca> nothing hidden
[23:22] <ChristopherNG> why you keep that wallpaper?
[23:22] <ChristopherNG> lol
[23:22] <jrmy> interesting
[23:22] <madnick> I do too, I think its really nice
[23:22] <jrmy> i actually like the xubuntu wallpapers
[23:23] <charlie-tca> I keep it because it agrees with me
[23:23] <charlie-tca> and there have been very few that do agree with me
[23:23] <ChristopherNG> bye
[23:25] <jrmy> i wonder if linux will ever have gaming
[23:25] <madnick> Doom 3 source getting released soon
[23:25] <madnick> So we will have D3 :)
[23:25] <jrmy> that would be neat
[23:26] <madnick> acctually, there is alot of games
[23:26] <jrmy> if i could make games i'd sell them on other platforms and make them free on linux
[23:26] <madnick> made by alot of people, just not "blockbuster" titles
[23:27] <jrmy> suppose that might be hard to do..
[23:27] <jrmy> but i guess indie developers do well
[23:28] <jrmy> anyways i was learning python so im gonna continue that even though its kinda hard to learn.... heh
[23:28] <madnick> pygame?
[23:30] <charlie-tca> There is a gaming group for Ubuntu, they are trying to get gaming improved
[23:31] <madnick> cool!
[23:32] <madnick> is it internal?
[23:32] <jrmy> awesome
[23:33] <jrmy> i shall have to join this group when i learn a bit more
[23:33] <charlie-tca> I will have to dig up the info
[23:33] <jrmy> madnick, im just learning python for now.. that is if pygame is anything different
[23:34] <madnick> jrmy: its just a library :)
[23:34] <madnick> for python
[23:35] <charlie-tca> try /j #ubuntu-gaming
[23:35] <jrmy> madnick: ah.. well i guess i dont know enough about python yet
[23:36] <madnick> charlie-tca: thanks