[00:00] <guest-I271GZ> ang1234
[00:00] <guest-I271GZ> greetings here, i came back
[00:32] <BUGabundo> anyone ever had problems with recorded or broadcasted sound (voice) being so high chip, that sounds like you are speaking VERY fast?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> trying to upgrade to trunk build of PA to see if it improves
[00:33] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1:0.9.23-0ubuntu2
[00:33] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 1:0.98-dev~gitmaster201108050634-0ubuntu374~oneiric1
[00:51] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[00:51] <BUGabundo> nautilus crashes *everytime* I right click to delete in the tree view
[00:52] <BUGabundo> apport overs to send the bug: complete report 135MBs. *small* report 87MBs :P
[07:16] <alex_mayorga> Has Canonical bought this for Ubuntu yet http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/touchpad-linux ?
[07:16] <alex_mayorga> Can a user get it somehow?
[07:17] <alex_mayorga> my OEM, Sony, couldn't care less for Linux support, so I'm pretty much on my own here :(
[08:43] <hakermania> What should we use instead xdg-open in oneiric?
[09:14] <epifanio> hi all
[09:14] <epifanio> having  problems with unity on 11.10 on a mac book pro 2.2 using the mac iso image ... i fixed the battery check problem with your help, thanks!
[09:14] <epifanio> now when i log in i have nautilus on top of unity that is not running, while if i log in in the recovery mode and then i log in as user and run : startx .. all works fine
[09:14] <epifanio> have you any hints about?
[09:17] <epifanio> on the ubuntu wiki i was looking for the macbook pro hints .. but for my model 2.2 there are no hint for the 11.x release
[09:17] <epifanio> i'm open to any kind of test .. i can be your guinea pig on a macbook pro 2.2. if this can help :-/
[09:22] <hakermania> LOL
[09:24] <epifanio> i'm sending all the report every time i had a crash, i tried to do :   unity --replace too but doesn't fix the problem. for now the only way i have to run it is :  log in root shell + netw. -> sudo su username -> startx
[09:25] <epifanio> while if i log on using a normal boot .. nautilus is on top, unity doesn't start (i've no access to app settings etc ...) the same problem happen if i try to log in a gnome session
[09:26] <epifanio> while ubuntu2d is half working, unit 2d give me only one active desktop, and when i try to switch from one app to an other one it give me problem in the  application menu on the top bar
[09:29] <epifanio> any clue on how to reset the user unity configuration and settings ?
[09:30] <epifanio> maybe is an user setting problem .. but no clue about
[09:30] <epifanio> maybe removing hidden files from the user home ?
[09:30] <robin0800> epifanio, gnome won't work I think until you install gnome shell but at present that wont start on mine
[09:33] <epifanio> robin0800: i like unity  .. i'd like to use it as i'm doing .. but the procedure i'm doing to have it working is weird and not optimal
[09:33] <epifanio> so it's normal that gnome doesn't work .. ok
[09:36] <hakermania> epifanio, you are unlucky with your ubuntu installation and that's sad. You could try with a normal Desktop PC/laptop with a clear install
[09:38] <epifanio> nautilus   is starting  on the top masking unity  .. in the menubar on top no way to close it . if i open the terminal running it from nautilus /usr/bin/..  i tried to kill its pid .. but then i've an empty desktop .. no unity no windoew manager
[09:38] <epifanio> hakermania: i'm used to soffer .. but i've only this laptop. 11.04 doesn't boot on macbookpro
[09:39] <epifanio> i've it running on my desktop
[09:39] <epifanio> the only distro that actually boot on a macbookpro is 11.10 (debian too failed .. as 11.04 ... the install cd ask me at boot :  selecd cd room boot type ... and froze there
[09:40] <epifanio> i used the mac iso image for 11.10
[09:41] <epifanio> the problem with the installation was beacouse i chose the 64bit distro .. i guess
[09:42] <hakermania> epifanio, this is ridiculous, 11.10 is in testing stage, yet
[09:43] <epifanio> hakermania:   yes, i know .. what is ridicolpus is that the stable 11.04 .. doesn't boot
[09:43] <epifanio> no?
[09:43] <hakermania> epifanio, 11.04 isn't stable, 12.04 will be
[09:43] <epifanio> uh .. so there are 2 unstable ?
[09:43] <epifanio> ok ...
[09:43] <hakermania> epifanio, 11.04 is one of the most unstable versions ever, for stability you could use 10.04
[09:44] <epifanio> this means i have to come back to 10.04
[09:44] <hakermania> epifanio, yes, till 12.04 release which is meant to be stable and will be possibly work to you, if everything else fails
[09:44] <epifanio> .. odd .. beacouse 11.10  was working fine .. i don't know if using it and send report is of any help for the dev team
[09:44] <epifanio> is it ?
[09:48] <hakermania> epifanio, I assume so
[09:48] <hakermania> epifanio, the weird thing is that 11.10 is not official yet and it's working to you while the official releases don't :P
[09:50] <epifanio> yes, this is what i means .. but it's true i had to choose the  mac.iso to have it running .. and this problem affect all the latest distros
[09:50] <dupondje> 11.10 is alpha
[09:50] <epifanio> i know
[09:50] <dupondje> but just runs quite fine :)
[09:51] <dupondje> running it since pre alpha 1, and only had 1 issue where my gnome didn't boot
[09:51] <epifanio> it has all working here .. except for the weird way i have to do to have the window manager runnig
[09:51] <dupondje> else only smqll issues MP
[09:51] <robin0800> has any one got gnome shell to work?
[09:52] <dupondje> yes
[09:52] <dupondje> but on 11.10
[09:52] <epifanio> can i try gnome shell maybe ?
[09:52] <dupondje> gnome-shell > unity
[09:53] <dupondje> but thats my opinion /D
[09:53] <robin0800> dupondje, did it just work for you? because it won't start for me
[09:54] <dupondje> robin0800: on 11.10 ?
[09:54] <epifanio> http://paste.debian.net/125250/
[09:55] <robin0800> dupondje, yes alpha 3
[09:55] <epifanio> this what i had
[09:55] <dupondje> it works fine here
[09:55] <dupondje> Only needed to install an additional package to make my gtk apps look good :P
[09:55] <dupondje> but that is fixed now i think
[09:56] <epifanio> did you installed it from repository ?
[09:56] <dupondje> yea
[09:56] <robin0800> dupondje, what package?
[09:57] <dupondje> gnome-themes-standard or so
[09:57] <dupondje> but its not NEEDED to get gnome3 working
[09:57] <dupondje> it will only look ugly ^^
[09:58] <dupondje> what error do you get when starting gnome-shell ?
[09:58] <robin0800> dupondje, it might be because I found gnome tweak tool can change unity themes
[10:00] <epifanio> i'll try to quit my window manager .. and try to run gnomeshell .. i'll be back .. to make you happy
[10:00] <epifanio> ;-)
[10:02] <robin0800> dupondje, its not starting I just get the top left menu if I then start it from terminal it wont detach but it then works
[10:02] <dsathe> yeah gnome shell or unity do not start on logon
[10:02] <dsathe> any solution
[10:02] <dsathe> for now i hae to launch them manully
[10:03] <dupondje> lightdm ?
[10:03] <robin0800> dsathe, unity starts on login here just gnome shell won't
[10:04] <dupondje> using gdm or lightdm ?
[10:12] <dsathe> yep lightdm
[10:12] <dsathe> also i would love to have default adwaita
[10:12] <dsathe> sans ambiance/radiance borders
[10:12] <dsathe> is it possible
[10:13] <dupondje> You can change that in gnome tweak no ?
[10:13] <dupondje> have Adwaita here
[10:13] <robin0800> dupondje, gnome shell started this time no idea why though
[10:14] <dupondje> :p
[10:15] <dsathe> dupondje: yeah without orange bar on top ?
[10:15] <dsathe> that is what i am lookin for
[10:15] <dsathe> as in with adwaita windo borders too
[10:15] <dupondje> orange ? :p never seen an orange bar :P
[10:16] <dsathe> lemme try now
[10:16] <dsathe> gimme a min
[10:18] <dsathe> dupondje: no luk now i have a blue titlebar
[10:18] <dsathe> not orange
[10:18] <dsathe> titlebar is still wierd and messed up , am i lacking anything
[10:20] <dupondje> what you mean by "messed up"
[10:22] <dsathe> waitup ill show u a screenshot
[10:22] <dsathe> gimme 2 min
[10:22] <Dimmuxx> dsathe: be happy that you can login to gnome-shell at all, If I select GNOME it starts unity
[10:23] <Dimmuxx> and to get the proper shell look you need to remove a package or had to that before at least. Have you logged off and on again after changing the theme to adawaita?
[10:24] <Dimmuxx> because it is the ugly blue title bar until you do that, a gnome-shell restart might do the trick too
[10:25] <dsathe> http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4722
[10:25] <dsathe> Dimmuxx:
[10:25] <dsathe> same here
[10:26] <dsathe> i have terminal extension in nautilus
[10:26] <dsathe> use that fire up a terminal
[10:26] <dsathe> and fire up gnome shell
[10:26] <dsathe> oh i dint try a logoff and login
[10:27] <dsathe> brb lemme try , dupondje Dimmuxx plz hang on brb
[10:30] <dsathe> yeah
[10:30] <dsathe> logout did it
[10:31] <Dimmuxx> seems the login bug is fixed too
[10:31] <Dimmuxx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477
[10:31] <dupondje> It seems like you are missing gnome-themes-standard ? :)
[10:31] <dsathe> yeah did it fixed
[10:32] <dsathe> now the dirty bar from unity is still lurking behind the shell
[10:32] <dsathe> gets confusing
[10:32] <dsathe> can it be hidden or removed ?
[10:33] <Dimmuxx> get the new version of gnome-session and you will be able to login to gnome-shell properly
[10:33] <dsathe> cool
[10:33] <dsathe> updating sources
[10:34] <Dimmuxx> any of you guys experience an issue that the screen never goes to sleep?
[10:34] <dsathe> any fix for gnome shell command not found ?
[10:34] <dsathe> on  alt+f2
[10:34] <Dimmuxx> I have to force it so sleep with xset dpms force off
[10:34] <dsathe> sleep all well here
[10:34] <dsathe> there is an issue in unity tho
[10:34] <dsathe> if i close my laptop lid it beeps and fails to suspend
[10:34] <dsathe> but if i click suspend
[10:35] <dsathe> it does
[10:35] <dsathe> :D
[10:35] <Dimmuxx> that's the fun part about running alpha software :P
[10:36] <dsathe> haha moved really late this time
[10:36] <Dimmuxx> I have no choice though on my new sandy bridge laptop since 11.04 locks up all the time on it
[10:36] <dsathe> else its post UDSO
[10:36] <Dimmuxx> I'm still running 10.10 on this computer
[10:36] <dsathe> i did not want to move to oneric was forced to it by a crash
[10:37] <dsathe> took me 7 hrs to get back in a state of work for my GSoC proj,
[10:37] <dsathe> :(
[10:37] <dsathe> but ok at least crash forced me to moove , 3 ppa and u end up with a broken system too messed up to fix
[10:38] <dsathe> one more last glitch
[10:38] <dsathe> what proxy does empathy obey
[10:38] <dsathe> i rember in natty it still used gconf
[10:38] <dsathe> is it now on dconf , ie gnome 3 system settings ?
[10:39] <dsathe> coz it aint working
[10:39] <dsathe> :(
[10:40] <dsathe> brb
[10:48] <dsathe> no rebooted , with ne session
[10:48] <dsathe> any solution to gnome shell command not found
[14:18] <hv> is it possible to change the shortcut key for the launcher?
[14:19] <coz_> hv,  if it is the same in 11.04  look in ccsm  under Ubuntu unity plugin
[14:20] <tensorpudding> in theory, if you configure the unity plugin
[14:20] <tensorpudding> i've not had luck changing all the options there
[14:20] <dr_willis> I notced the other day that altering the settings via ccsm got ignored..
[14:20] <coz_> ooo
[14:20] <dr_willis> also notice that every so often all the unity settings got replaced back to defaults.
[14:20] <hv> they are using gsettings for such settings, don't they?
[14:20] <coz_> hv,  it should be handles by compiz
[14:20] <dr_willis> I think so hv.
[14:21] <coz_> handled
[14:21] <coz_> mmm darn it,, I wanted to wait awhile until I installed 11.10
[14:21] <dr_willis> I think a command like this  resets compiz (and unity settings) back to defaults --> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1
[14:21] <tensorpudding> i thought compiz still used gconf
[14:22] <coz_> tensorpudding,  if it is using the gconf backend
[14:22] <hv> coz_: me too. just couldn't resist, and fell into the trap!
[14:22] <coz_> tensorpudding,  if it using the flatfile  then no
[14:22] <tensorpudding> gsettings isn't gconf
[14:22] <dr_willis> Not sure how gsettings differs from gconf then.
[14:22] <coz_> hv,  that i understand :)
[14:22] <dr_willis> too many similer sounding things..
[14:23] <coz_> gconf    gsettings    gooo   what's the difference :)
[14:23] <coz_> hv,    reset compiz to defaults..under Preferences
[14:23] <dr_willis> i cant get my nvidia drivers working.. yet again. :) but those novea drivers seem to be at least functional now for me..
[14:24] <coz_> hv,   then log off and log back on  ,, reset  the unity plugin to see if it now works
[14:24] <hv> so, which one should I use for changing the launcher settings? gsettings or gconftool?
[14:25] <coz_> dr_willis,  that's sort of good to know,, I k now nouveau was working remarkably well on fedora + compiz.. there is that one bug,, not sure if it has been fixed,, graphics mem gets filled and all slows to a crawls
[14:25] <dr_willis> coz_,  i cant play 3d games. but the desktop is 'useable' - i do see a lot of graphic 'glitzes' like when menus first appear. the space is filled with random colors, then overdrawn and so forth. and title bar flickers and other quirks..
[14:26] <coz_> dr_willis,  yeah I have seen this also ,,, nouveau isnt really ready  in my opinion but it sort of works :(
[14:26] <dr_willis> You could say the same thing about COmpiz. :)
[14:26] <coz_> hv,  i would start with the reset to defaults first
[14:27] <hv> coz_: thanks. let me see ...
[14:27] <coz_> dr_willis,   :)  yeah  but it is getting there at least with Unity
[14:27] <hv> btw is gnome-terminal noticably slow, under ubuntu-2d session?
[14:27] <coz_> hv,  if all else fails,, go to #compiz-dev and speak with sam,,, smspillaz
[14:27] <coz_> hv,  also the  #ayatana  channel,, they may have screwed up sams  stuff  not sure
[14:28] <hv> coz_: sure, thanks.
[14:32] <coz_> hv,  but of course the reality is ,, 11.10 is not ready :)
[14:32] <hv> even when it is ready, I would still want to change that shortcut key ;)
[14:33] <hv> a lot of others.
[14:33] <coz_> by the way guys,, is there a classic mode in 11.10?
[14:33] <coz_> or fallback mode
[14:33] <coz_> ?
[14:33] <hv> coz_: you can install gnome-panel which also installs the classic fall back mode
[14:34] <coz_> hv,  ah  is gnome3  available I would assume ...yes?
[14:34] <hv> yes the Gnome session that shows in the lightdm list is actually Gnome3
[14:34] <coz_> ok I can live with gnome3  on fallback mode
[14:50] <dr_willis> I cant even get gnome-3 /gnomeshell to startup at all.
[14:51] <coz_> ooo
[14:51] <coz_> I am definitly waiting to install then :)
[14:51] <dr_willis> theres no classic gnome in 11.10. i imagine you can confoigure gnome-3/shell to look like it.
[14:51] <dr_willis> gnome2 is dead.. deal with it. :)
[14:51] <coz_> dr_willis,  fallback mode in gnome3 is not bad at all
[14:52] <dr_willis> not used gnome-3 enough to even know what that is.  tested it once ages ago on a live cd.
[14:52] <coz_> runs compiz well however,, because gnome3 no longer uses  "desktop windows'  some plugins wont work unless the wallpaper plugin is enabled..aka   transparent cube ,, snow   ,, thihngs like that
[14:52] <coz_> dr_willis,  fallback mode disables  gnome-shell,,
[14:52] <dr_willis> I was so hopeing compiz was just a fad. and would die out soon. :)
[14:53] <coz_> dr_willis,  ooo   blashphemer :)
[14:53] <dr_willis> so many useless things....
[14:53] <coz_> dr_willis,  so may great work related things as well ...yes?
[14:53] <dr_willis> I much perffered that metisse desktop with its eyecandy that worked without needing 3d accell.
[14:53] <coz_> group windows... scale  etc
[14:53] <dr_willis> Most pople dont even know how to use the groupwindows and other features..  :)  main feature the wife likes is the zoom...
[14:54] <coz_> :)
[14:54] <coz_> dr_willis,   thats why we are in #compiz... to guide  the useage of the uninitiated :)
[14:54] <dr_willis> Im not sure they even know half the time.
[14:54] <tgm4883> Was the command line only install option removed from the alternate disk? Or am I just blind?
[14:56] <coz_> tgm4883,  I havent tested 11.10 at all so I cant answer that one
[14:57] <tensorpudding> people don't need to know what compiz is to use it
[14:57] <trism> tgm4883: it is there, you need to make sure to highlight 'Install Ubuntu', then you can hit f4 and enable command line mode
[14:57] <tensorpudding> without compiz would be most disappointing
[14:57] <tgm4883> trism, ah, that isn't at all intuitive. Thanks that will help alot
[14:58] <trism> tgm4883: I agree, took me a while to find it when they changed it a while ago
[14:59] <coz_> tensorpudding,  agreed :)
[15:07] <head_victim> Am I the only one unable to load gnome shell? I keep getting "failed to load session "gnome"" whenever I try and it just logs me back out when I hit ok.
[15:08] <dr_willis> ive not gotten it to work yet either,.
[15:08] <dr_willis> what session are you using at the login screen?
[15:08] <head_victim> Gnome
[15:09] <robin0800> I think adwaita theme in unity is looking really good
[15:09] <head_victim> Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2d both work fine but I can't get gnome 3 to work.
[15:09] <dr_willis> last time i tried 'gnome' it gave me the unity desktop.. but let me try again...
[15:09] <dr_willis> brb
[15:09] <tensorpudding> i can't load gnome-shell either
[15:09] <tensorpudding> the session starts but none of the shell stuff is visible
[15:09] <head_victim> I can't even get it logged in.
[15:10] <head_victim> I disabled the virtualbox drivers just in case that was causing something odd but other than that it's all stock
[15:10] <coz_> I wonder if   gnome-shell --replace & disown would work
[15:10] <head_victim> coz_: Hang on I'll give it a shot
[15:11] <dr_willis> 'gnome' session here - just gives an error message.
[15:11] <robin0800> dr_willis, checking the x session errors it seems gnome shell chokes at least on radiance not sure about ambience use adwaita  if you can
[15:12] <dr_willis> 'failed to load sesion "gnome"'
[15:12] <coz_> mm
[15:12] <coz_> adwaita is the default theme for it
[15:12] <dr_willis> I couldent even find where to change themes on this thing the other day...
[15:12] <dr_willis> :)
[15:12] <dr_willis> on the console right now.
[15:12] <coz_> gnome-tweak-tool helps with that
[15:12] <dr_willis> the logout button, fails to go back to lightdm.. it just hangs
[15:13] <robin0800> dr_willis, use gnome tweak tool
[15:14] <mrdeb> how do you like 1110
[15:14] <mrdeb> ?
[15:14] <head_victim> I keep getting a clutter error when trying gnome-shell --replace
[15:14] <dr_willis> mrdeb:  its definatly at alpha state. :)
[15:14] <robin0800> mrdeb, love unity with adwaita theme
[15:14] <coz_> head_victim,  apparenlty  it is not up to par yet for ubuntu
[15:15] <head_victim> coz_: I'm sure others have reported it running so was just curious to see how well it worked
[15:15] <coz_> head_victim,  I have not tried gnome3 on ubuntu as of yet,, works remarkably well on fedora 15 however
[15:16] <dr_willis> running gnome-tweak-tool on unity desktop.. it seems it cant list the themes for me to sellect one.
[15:16] <coz_> dr_willis,  well gnome tweak tool I believe, is specifically for gnome3  ,, I could be wrong
[15:16] <dr_willis> under 'Shell -> shell theme ' --> "Could not list shell extensions"
[15:16] <coz_> hmm
[15:17] <coz_> darn it,, I guess I have to install
[15:17] <dr_willis> well i cant get TO gnome-3/gnome shell :)  thats the issue.  trying to change its theme.
[15:17] <coz_> oh  sorry
[15:17] <coz_> dr_willis,  wasnt keeping up with converstation
[15:17] <robin0800> dr_willis, its in interface
[15:18] <dr_willis> Unity seems half goofed up for me at this time also.
[15:19] <coz_> well.. at alpha 3  I dont expect much to work properly :)
[15:19] <head_victim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477
[15:20] <dr_willis> I really have to wonder how all this stuff goes from working to broken with the next release.. to be honest with you.
[15:20] <dr_willis> but i guess we should be glad that as much of it works .. as does.
[15:20] <dr_willis> Undecided but its been fixed.. :)
[15:21] <coz_> dr_willis,  I dont know.. I often ponder the same question
[15:21] <dr_willis> Im not sure what Undecided means in that statement.
[15:21] <tensorpudding> this is the buggiest alpha 3 i've ever used
[15:21] <dr_willis> I think that about every 3rd rekease they should just 'lean back' and polish/fix things.. not add new features.. but fix things.. :)
[15:21] <tensorpudding> i've thought about that as well
[15:22] <dr_willis> but theres so much push for 'newer and better'.....
[15:22] <tensorpudding> except they should make all the releases between LTS releases "experimental" while focusing LTS releases on fixing bugs
[15:22] <dr_willis> MS and Apple do the same thing. only not as fast...
[15:23] <coz_> tensorpudding,  I have always viewed in between releases  as  "playtime"  "experimental"
[15:23] <coz_> tensorpudding,  seems the best way to not get frustrated :)
[15:23] <dr_willis> LTS - experimental -> polish -> next lts...
[15:23] <tensorpudding> maverick was more stable than lucid
[15:23] <dr_willis> but who wants to stick to lts only. :)
[15:24] <dr_willis> Hmm. theres no 'custome' 'xsession' entry in lightdm.. or does it only show up if i have a xsession or .xinitrc file?
[15:24] <robin0800> dr_willis, did you try alpha 2?
[15:24] <dr_willis> robin0800:  started with A2 a few weeks back.
[15:24] <dr_willis> its been a roller coaster up and down.
[15:24] <mrdeb> willis are you having trouble with 1110
[15:25] <coz_> alpha 3  is not a good time to pass judement though
[15:25] <dr_willis>  mrdeb  seems to hit a low point for now for the week.. most isues ive seen in quite some time.
[15:25] <dr_willis>  unity is not even logging out correctly. its just hanging.
[15:25] <tensorpudding> natty never completely gelled
[15:25] <tensorpudding> i'm hoping oneiric does
[15:25] <coz_> I wonder if nux is still an issue with unity / nvidia/ etc
[15:26] <robin0800> dr_willis, well at the beginning it was more full of bugs than alpha 3
[15:26] <coz_> one eye ric
[15:26] <dr_willis> was going to test gnome-3 but cant even get into that. was going to get to it by a custom .xsession but see no entry for that in lightdm.
[15:26] <tensorpudding> though natty had the benefit of bringing new stuff
[15:26] <dr_willis> robin0800:  currently nvidia drivers are not working here.. they are installed. but not working.
[15:26] <dr_willis> the Noveau drivers are useable now at least.
[15:27] <mrdeb> dr, are you using daily build
[15:27] <robin0800> dr_willis, Ive seen that but I think jocky lies as they appear to be working as far as I can tell
[15:28] <dr_willis> robin0800:  well they are definatly not working. :) they used to be..  then broke.. then got fixed.. then broke.
[15:28] <dr_willis> its a roller coaster. :)
[15:29] <dr_willis> what is the proper command to start a gnome3/gnome-shell session anyway?
[15:29] <coz_> now all we need is cotton candy and popcorn
[15:29] <dr_willis> Elepant Ears! :)
[15:29] <coz_> dr_willis,  i think it is still gnome-shell --replace
[15:30] <dr_willis> coz_:  making a custome .xinitrc and using startx. so just an 'exec gnome-shell' should start it up eh.
[15:30] <coz_> I hope
[15:30] <robin0800> dr_willis, not realy fair Ive got that error in 11.04 on the desktop machine not upgraded it yet
[15:31] <dr_willis> aha. Gnome-shell dosent like the fact im using the noveau drivers, and dont seem to have a proper glx stuff going.
[15:31] <coz_> o0
[15:32] <coz_> dr_willis,  thats odd
[15:32] <dr_willis> "Xserver apepars to lack the required GLX support"
[15:32] <coz_> dr_willis,  if you want to see gnome3 /shell and nouveau work properly...fedora 15
[15:32] <dr_willis> unable to initilize clutter
[15:33] <dr_willis> coz_:   i think i tried their live cd.. it worked. but was very sluggish on this box.
[15:33] <coz_> oh!
[15:33] <dr_willis> i really need to put my higher end nvidia card back in this box.
[15:33] <coz_> yeah for sure :)
[15:33] <dr_willis> I took it out because it was a power hungry 8800gtsxxx and loud.
[15:33] <dr_willis> and  it took up 2 slots  one i needed. :)
[15:34] <coz_> dr_willis,  well it would be interesting to see if it solves some issues ..yes?
[15:34] <dr_willis> Yea. cleaning up the pc room/desks now.. may do that later.
[15:34] <dr_willis> all ive been running on this test box is ZNC and weechat.
[15:35] <coz_> cool,, I would actually like to now if it in fact does solve some issues
[15:36] <dr_willis> looking at the x logs now..
[15:36] <dr_willis> (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)
[15:36] <coz_> oy
[15:36] <dr_willis> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:36] <coz_> double oy
[15:36] <dr_willis> so what driver am i using.. :)
[15:36] <coz_> apparently nouveau
[15:36] <coz_> sort of maybe  ,, I dont know
[15:37] <coz_> since no more nv  i would assume nouveau..yes?
[15:37] <dr_willis> yea. i dont see that mentioned in the logs..
[15:38] <dr_willis> [ 10312.795] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2]   DRI driver: nouveau
[15:38] <dr_willis> [ 10312.820] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:38] <coz_> ah
[15:38] <dr_willis> this is on a low end nvidia build in to the mb chipset.
[15:38] <dr_willis> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[15:39] <coz_> dr_willis,  what like a 6600  or something?
[15:39] <coz_> ah
[15:39] <dr_willis> my old old desktop. :)
[15:39] <coz_> dr_willis,  I have one with a 6600 onboard
[15:39] <coz_> it sort of works
[15:39] <dr_willis> Yea. i need to get that 8800 down and put in here. ..
[15:39] <coz_> for sure :)
[15:39] <yofel> dr_willis: did you try to add nomodeset to the kernel options?
[15:40] <dr_willis> but its sitting right near the bed.. and that 8800 is so #*&&! loud.
[15:40] <dr_willis> yofel:  used to need that to even get the system to boot. :) havent tried it lately
[15:40] <yofel> for some reasons nouveau gets into the initramfs and blocks the nvidia driver
[15:40] <dr_willis> that makes sence.
[15:40] <coz_> I'll have to keep that in  mind
[15:41] <tensorpudding> nautilus is really buggy
[15:41] <yofel> so with nomodeset nouveau can't enable KMS and thus should be un-loadable again
[15:41] <yofel> at least here nvidia works with it
[15:43] <coz_> yofel,  it can be blacklisted ...yes?
[15:43] <coz_> or is that just overkill
[15:43] <yofel> well, it *is* blacklisted if the nvidia driver is installed
[15:43] <coz_> ok
[15:43] <yofel> for some reason that blacklist is ignored by update-initramfs
[15:43] <coz_> yofel,  ah ok understood now
[15:45] <dsathe> the ubuntu panel is still visible on starting the gnome shell session
[15:45] <dsathe> how do i get rid of it ?
[15:45] <coz_> killall gnome-panel   ?
[15:46] <dr_willis> thats what i thought.. it should be blacklisted..
[15:46] <dr_willis> well made changes.. rebooting
[15:46] <dr_willis> bbl
[15:47] <coz_> :)
[15:47] <dsathe> ok got it
[15:47] <dsathe> nautilus was handeling desktop
[15:47] <dsathe> switched it of
[15:47] <coz_> ah
[15:47] <dsathe> off
[15:47] <dsathe> now all well
[15:53] <dr_willis> well nomodset seems to have worked..
[15:53] <dr_willis> the noveau driver was somehow stopping the nvidia driver from loading
[15:55] <penguin42> two drivers driving one piece of hardware is normally bad news
[15:55] <coz_> dr_willis,  cool thats real good news :)
[15:56] <dr_willis> bbl pizza time
[15:56] <coz_> :)
[15:56] <coz_> mmmmm
[16:15] <penguin42> yofel: Have you found any flashing/flickering in menus on gnome apps running under KDE ?
[16:16] <yofel> not for me, but all I use from the GTK side are firefox and thunderbird
[16:19] <penguin42> gnucash's menus are flickering heavily for me
[16:19] <penguin42> I'll check it under gnome I guess first
[16:36] <min|dvir|us> Weird error with Totem.
[16:37] <min|dvir|us> "Error connecting: Connection refused" -- it opens for a split second, then closes.
[16:40] <tensorpudding> totem crashes for me all the time
[16:40] <tensorpudding> luckily i use vlc
[16:41] <min|dvir|us> Yeah, lucky for you, but unlucky for all the users who just use the default video player.
[16:41] <tensorpudding> well
[16:41] <tensorpudding> i guess it is alpha 3
[16:41] <tensorpudding> it's still terrible
[16:42] <tensorpudding> but not the worst problem with it
[16:42] <min|dvir|us> It's shaping up nicely. :)
[16:42] <min|dvir|us> The main reason this bothers me is that I am having trouble watching porn.
[16:42] <tensorpudding> use vlc for video instead
[16:43] <min|dvir|us> I like Totem. :)
[16:59] <dr_willis> well gnome-shell is now workings.. No idea what makes it so great. but its workings
[17:07] <bullgard6> What is the proper way to test GNOME 3 if I want to keep my Natty GNOME 2?
[17:08] <escott> bullgard6, there isn't a good way unfortunately. you will want to have a throw-away system. you might try a usb disk
[17:09] <bullgard6> escott: Or install Oneiric just as another operating system?
[17:09] <escott> bullgard6, yes. the gnome3 ppa can break natty, and once you go oneiric there isn't a good path back
[17:10] <bjsnider> gnome 2 and 3 cannot reside side by side
[17:10] <bjsnider> they are mutually exclusive
[17:11] <bullgard6> escott: Right. --  How much free space do I need on my hard disk for testing Oneiric?
[17:11] <bjsnider> you could just boot today's livecd
[17:11] <bjsnider> you don't need to install it just to test it
[17:12] <bullgard6> bjsnider: If I make the effort, then I will test it more thoroughly..
[17:37] <min|dvir|us> Anyone know anything about dbus?
[17:38] <escott> !anyone
[18:04] <bullgard6> How much freedisk space do I need for installing Oneiric on a new partition?
[18:04] <escott> bullgard6, depends on how much you want to install 10g should be plenty
[18:06] <bullgard6> escott: Thank you for your advice.
[18:07] <htorque> bullgard6: afaik the minimum is 4.5 gb
[18:07] <htorque> (required by the installer)
[18:07] <bullgard6> htorque: I will make a new partition of ~10 GB.
[18:08] <htorque> bullgard6: should be enough :)
[18:33] <dr_willis> Hmm. TO use gnome-tweak-tool it mentions i need to install a 'user theme' extension  so this is some pacage in the package manager? searching for it now and not finding it..
[18:53] <escott> dr_willis, are you installing gnome-tweak-tool from source or is there a package
[18:53] <dr_willis> Just installed it from the repos.. reading up on it now.
[18:53] <dr_willis> managed to extract a new theme to my .themes dir also. :)
[18:54] <dr_willis> Adwaita theme.
[18:55] <dr_willis> extracted some shell extensions to the right place also. but they are not showing up in the gnome-tweak-tool either.   gnome-shell-frippery-0.2.3.tgz
[21:01] <BUGabundo> 11958     1058e3         781     58639K        5.0G       1.4G        5.0G       1.4G      bugabund     bugabund       37%      chromium-brows
[21:01] <BUGabundo> this is getting preposterous
[21:01] <Daekdroom> Woah.
[21:08] <penguin42> BUGabundo: 1.4G - is that enough for all your G+ posts?
[21:09] <BUGabundo> penguin42: it was 3 open tabs
[21:09] <BUGabundo> two gmail, one plus
[21:09] <BUGabundo> on one of my circles
[21:09] <BUGabundo> not much movement there
[21:09] <BUGabundo> toooooo much
[21:09] <BUGabundo> there's a leak somewhere
[21:10] <BUGabundo> trying a clean profile now
[21:10] <BUGabundo> 13354       1329          0      58639K     961.0M      99824K        32K        328K     bugabund      bugabund       2%     chromium-brows
[21:10] <BUGabundo> see the diff?
[21:28] <LarsT> Hello!
[21:28] <LarsT> I have a question.
[21:29] <BUGabundo> that doesn't sound like a question to me :P
[21:33] <LarsT> Is gnome-shell preinstalled in 11.10 now
[21:34] <coz_> LarsT,  I think its installable via repos
[21:41] <Seven_Six_Two> I downloaded oneiric, but the iso is 709MB.
[21:42] <Seven_Six_Two> I got it on my desktop, and I was going to install it on a spare partition on my laptop. any ideas on how I can do it without resorting to a vm?
[21:42] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, boot the iso using grub2?
[21:43] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, you mean put the iso on a spare hdd, or try to install with no media at all
[21:43] <Seven_Six_Two> bazhang, so move it from my desktop to my laptop's main ubuntu install and boot from there? I wasn't aware I could do that
[21:44] <bazhang> Seven_Six_Two, use a usb stick if it's too large
[21:44] <bazhang> ie unetbootin
[21:45] <Seven_Six_Two> Seven_Six_Two, I think I can find a usb stick. the last time I tried that, it wouldn't work...I'll give it a shot
[21:45] <bazhang> sometimes takes a couple of "burns" to get it right
[21:46] <bazhang> unetbootin is the most failproof one I've used
[21:46] <Seven_Six_Two> is unetbootin == startup disk creator?
[21:47] <bazhang> no, thats usb-disk-creator
[21:47] <bazhang> !info unetbootin
[21:48] <Seven_Six_Two> oh ok. That's actually what I tried and failed with
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> unfortunately I don't see any option in my laptop's bios to boot from usb
[21:50] <Seven_Six_Two> oh wait. I spoke too soon
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> i have options for usb floppy, usb diskette on key, usb hard drive. I know it's not the last option
[21:51] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm guessing diskette on key>?
[22:12] <penguin42> Seven_Six_Two: Actually I think usb hard drive should work
[22:14] <Seven_Six_Two> I'll try both. bios is set and laptop is off. It's got to be one of them!
[22:14] <Seven_Six_Two> thanks for the info though, penguin42
[22:19] <Seven_Six_Two> unetbootin was a lot easier than I thought it would be. thanks all!
[22:30] <LarsTorben> hello
[22:30] <LarsTorben> is 11.10 usuable ?
[22:30] <penguin42> LarsTorben: Not too bad at the moment, but it's an Alpha so it might break horribly for you
[22:31] <LarsTorben> yes i do not need the pc as productive it is a home pc
[22:31] <LarsTorben> if i upgrade to final, do i have fully final ?
[22:31] <penguin42> probably yes
[22:31] <penguin42> LarsTorben: Could you recover if the alpha didn't boot for you?
[22:31] <rww> If you run alpha and then continue updating as normal until release, then yes, you will have final.
[22:31] <charlie-tca> !final
[22:32] <penguin42> hmm that needs updating
[22:32] <rww> !+final
 If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[22:32] <LarsTorben> penguin42: no problem
[22:32] <rww> hrm, there's a thing for this. one sec.
[22:33] <penguin42> LarsTorben: In that case I'd say go for it; the KDE and Gnome versions seem OK with just a few quirks at the moment
[22:33] <LarsTorben> i think it did not make sense to use 11.04 if 11.10 is in the start
[22:33] <LarsTorben> yes thank you
[22:33] <Seven_Six_Two> in order to not trash my 11.04 install on /dev/sdc1 where should I put 11.10 boot loader when I install to sdc8?
[22:34] <rww> !no, final is <reply> If you install a development version of Ubuntu $curDevel and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of $curDevelNum when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal.
[22:34] <rww> !final
[22:34] <rww> ^_^
[22:34] <penguin42> Nice!
[22:34] <jbicha> Seven_Six_Two: the bootloader will automatically recognize your other partitions, you can just let grub install
[22:34] <jbicha> like normal to sdc
[22:35] <Seven_Six_Two> jbicha, I'm being prompted to choose a partition. they are all listed, including just sdc
[22:35] <Seven_Six_Two> just sdc? ok, thanks
[22:36] <Seven_Six_Two> and it won't overwrite 11.04's grub?
[22:36] <jbicha> no, normally grub is installed to the MBR but overwriting 11.04's grub is ok, it will still work
[22:39] <Seven_Six_Two> after i choose my username and pwd, installer says "welcome to 11.04". that's funny
[22:41] <Seven_Six_Two> although top of screen and install icon on desktop say 11.10, and the iso says oneiric
[22:42] <jbicha> Seven_Six_Two: bug 794248
[22:43] <Seven_Six_Two> haha. it's all good, although I cursed for a moment...
[22:44] <jbicha> haha, yeah it will be fixed in a bit, 11.10's not even beta yet