| guest-I271GZ | ang1234 | 00:00 |
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| guest-I271GZ | greetings here, i came back | 00:00 |
| BUGabundo | anyone ever had problems with recorded or broadcasted sound (voice) being so high chip, that sounds like you are speaking VERY fast? | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | trying to upgrade to trunk build of PA to see if it improves | 00:32 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 1:0.9.23-0ubuntu2 | 00:33 |
| BUGabundo | Candidate: 1:0.98-dev~gitmaster201108050634-0ubuntu374~oneiric1 | 00:33 |
| BUGabundo | LOLOL | 00:51 |
| BUGabundo | nautilus crashes *everytime* I right click to delete in the tree view | 00:51 |
| BUGabundo | apport overs to send the bug: complete report 135MBs. *small* report 87MBs :P | 00:52 |
| === emma is now known as em | ||
| alex_mayorga | Has Canonical bought this for Ubuntu yet http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/touchpad-linux ? | 07:16 |
| alex_mayorga | Can a user get it somehow? | 07:16 |
| alex_mayorga | my OEM, Sony, couldn't care less for Linux support, so I'm pretty much on my own here :( | 07:17 |
| hakermania | What should we use instead xdg-open in oneiric? | 08:43 |
| epifanio | hi all | 09:14 |
| epifanio | having problems with unity on 11.10 on a mac book pro 2.2 using the mac iso image ... i fixed the battery check problem with your help, thanks! | 09:14 |
| epifanio | now when i log in i have nautilus on top of unity that is not running, while if i log in in the recovery mode and then i log in as user and run : startx .. all works fine | 09:14 |
| epifanio | have you any hints about? | 09:14 |
| epifanio | on the ubuntu wiki i was looking for the macbook pro hints .. but for my model 2.2 there are no hint for the 11.x release | 09:17 |
| epifanio | i'm open to any kind of test .. i can be your guinea pig on a macbook pro 2.2. if this can help :-/ | 09:17 |
| hakermania | LOL | 09:22 |
| epifanio | i'm sending all the report every time i had a crash, i tried to do : unity --replace too but doesn't fix the problem. for now the only way i have to run it is : log in root shell + netw. -> sudo su username -> startx | 09:24 |
| epifanio | while if i log on using a normal boot .. nautilus is on top, unity doesn't start (i've no access to app settings etc ...) the same problem happen if i try to log in a gnome session | 09:25 |
| epifanio | while ubuntu2d is half working, unit 2d give me only one active desktop, and when i try to switch from one app to an other one it give me problem in the application menu on the top bar | 09:26 |
| epifanio | any clue on how to reset the user unity configuration and settings ? | 09:29 |
| epifanio | maybe is an user setting problem .. but no clue about | 09:30 |
| epifanio | maybe removing hidden files from the user home ? | 09:30 |
| robin0800 | epifanio, gnome won't work I think until you install gnome shell but at present that wont start on mine | 09:30 |
| epifanio | robin0800: i like unity .. i'd like to use it as i'm doing .. but the procedure i'm doing to have it working is weird and not optimal | 09:33 |
| epifanio | so it's normal that gnome doesn't work .. ok | 09:33 |
| hakermania | epifanio, you are unlucky with your ubuntu installation and that's sad. You could try with a normal Desktop PC/laptop with a clear install | 09:36 |
| epifanio | nautilus is starting on the top masking unity .. in the menubar on top no way to close it . if i open the terminal running it from nautilus /usr/bin/.. i tried to kill its pid .. but then i've an empty desktop .. no unity no windoew manager | 09:38 |
| epifanio | hakermania: i'm used to soffer .. but i've only this laptop. 11.04 doesn't boot on macbookpro | 09:38 |
| epifanio | i've it running on my desktop | 09:39 |
| epifanio | the only distro that actually boot on a macbookpro is 11.10 (debian too failed .. as 11.04 ... the install cd ask me at boot : selecd cd room boot type ... and froze there | 09:39 |
| epifanio | i used the mac iso image for 11.10 | 09:40 |
| epifanio | the problem with the installation was beacouse i chose the 64bit distro .. i guess | 09:41 |
| hakermania | epifanio, this is ridiculous, 11.10 is in testing stage, yet | 09:42 |
| epifanio | hakermania: yes, i know .. what is ridicolpus is that the stable 11.04 .. doesn't boot | 09:43 |
| epifanio | no? | 09:43 |
| hakermania | epifanio, 11.04 isn't stable, 12.04 will be | 09:43 |
| epifanio | uh .. so there are 2 unstable ? | 09:43 |
| epifanio | ok ... | 09:43 |
| hakermania | epifanio, 11.04 is one of the most unstable versions ever, for stability you could use 10.04 | 09:43 |
| epifanio | this means i have to come back to 10.04 | 09:44 |
| hakermania | epifanio, yes, till 12.04 release which is meant to be stable and will be possibly work to you, if everything else fails | 09:44 |
| epifanio | .. odd .. beacouse 11.10 was working fine .. i don't know if using it and send report is of any help for the dev team | 09:44 |
| epifanio | is it ? | 09:44 |
| hakermania | epifanio, I assume so | 09:48 |
| hakermania | epifanio, the weird thing is that 11.10 is not official yet and it's working to you while the official releases don't :P | 09:48 |
| epifanio | yes, this is what i means .. but it's true i had to choose the mac.iso to have it running .. and this problem affect all the latest distros | 09:50 |
| dupondje | 11.10 is alpha | 09:50 |
| epifanio | i know | 09:50 |
| dupondje | but just runs quite fine :) | 09:50 |
| dupondje | running it since pre alpha 1, and only had 1 issue where my gnome didn't boot | 09:51 |
| epifanio | it has all working here .. except for the weird way i have to do to have the window manager runnig | 09:51 |
| dupondje | else only smqll issues MP | 09:51 |
| robin0800 | has any one got gnome shell to work? | 09:51 |
| dupondje | yes | 09:52 |
| dupondje | but on 11.10 | 09:52 |
| epifanio | can i try gnome shell maybe ? | 09:52 |
| dupondje | gnome-shell > unity | 09:52 |
| dupondje | but thats my opinion /D | 09:53 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, did it just work for you? because it won't start for me | 09:53 |
| dupondje | robin0800: on 11.10 ? | 09:54 |
| epifanio | http://paste.debian.net/125250/ | 09:54 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, yes alpha 3 | 09:55 |
| epifanio | this what i had | 09:55 |
| dupondje | it works fine here | 09:55 |
| dupondje | Only needed to install an additional package to make my gtk apps look good :P | 09:55 |
| dupondje | but that is fixed now i think | 09:55 |
| epifanio | did you installed it from repository ? | 09:56 |
| dupondje | yea | 09:56 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, what package? | 09:56 |
| dupondje | gnome-themes-standard or so | 09:57 |
| dupondje | but its not NEEDED to get gnome3 working | 09:57 |
| dupondje | it will only look ugly ^^ | 09:57 |
| dupondje | what error do you get when starting gnome-shell ? | 09:58 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, it might be because I found gnome tweak tool can change unity themes | 09:58 |
| epifanio | i'll try to quit my window manager .. and try to run gnomeshell .. i'll be back .. to make you happy | 10:00 |
| epifanio | ;-) | 10:00 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, its not starting I just get the top left menu if I then start it from terminal it wont detach but it then works | 10:02 |
| dsathe | yeah gnome shell or unity do not start on logon | 10:02 |
| dsathe | any solution | 10:02 |
| dsathe | for now i hae to launch them manully | 10:02 |
| dupondje | lightdm ? | 10:03 |
| robin0800 | dsathe, unity starts on login here just gnome shell won't | 10:03 |
| dupondje | using gdm or lightdm ? | 10:04 |
| dsathe | yep lightdm | 10:12 |
| dsathe | also i would love to have default adwaita | 10:12 |
| dsathe | sans ambiance/radiance borders | 10:12 |
| dsathe | is it possible | 10:12 |
| dupondje | You can change that in gnome tweak no ? | 10:13 |
| dupondje | have Adwaita here | 10:13 |
| robin0800 | dupondje, gnome shell started this time no idea why though | 10:13 |
| dupondje | :p | 10:14 |
| dsathe | dupondje: yeah without orange bar on top ? | 10:15 |
| dsathe | that is what i am lookin for | 10:15 |
| dsathe | as in with adwaita windo borders too | 10:15 |
| dupondje | orange ? :p never seen an orange bar :P | 10:15 |
| dsathe | lemme try now | 10:16 |
| dsathe | gimme a min | 10:16 |
| dsathe | dupondje: no luk now i have a blue titlebar | 10:18 |
| dsathe | not orange | 10:18 |
| dsathe | titlebar is still wierd and messed up , am i lacking anything | 10:18 |
| dupondje | what you mean by "messed up" | 10:20 |
| dsathe | waitup ill show u a screenshot | 10:22 |
| dsathe | gimme 2 min | 10:22 |
| Dimmuxx | dsathe: be happy that you can login to gnome-shell at all, If I select GNOME it starts unity | 10:22 |
| Dimmuxx | and to get the proper shell look you need to remove a package or had to that before at least. Have you logged off and on again after changing the theme to adawaita? | 10:23 |
| Dimmuxx | because it is the ugly blue title bar until you do that, a gnome-shell restart might do the trick too | 10:24 |
| dsathe | http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4722 | 10:25 |
| dsathe | Dimmuxx: | 10:25 |
| dsathe | same here | 10:25 |
| dsathe | i have terminal extension in nautilus | 10:26 |
| dsathe | use that fire up a terminal | 10:26 |
| dsathe | and fire up gnome shell | 10:26 |
| dsathe | oh i dint try a logoff and login | 10:26 |
| dsathe | brb lemme try , dupondje Dimmuxx plz hang on brb | 10:27 |
| dsathe | yeah | 10:30 |
| dsathe | logout did it | 10:30 |
| Dimmuxx | seems the login bug is fixed too | 10:31 |
| Dimmuxx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477 | 10:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 821477 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "gnome-session update breaks login to gnome-shell" [Undecided,Fix released] | 10:31 |
| dupondje | It seems like you are missing gnome-themes-standard ? :) | 10:31 |
| dsathe | yeah did it fixed | 10:31 |
| dsathe | now the dirty bar from unity is still lurking behind the shell | 10:32 |
| dsathe | gets confusing | 10:32 |
| dsathe | can it be hidden or removed ? | 10:32 |
| Dimmuxx | get the new version of gnome-session and you will be able to login to gnome-shell properly | 10:33 |
| dsathe | cool | 10:33 |
| dsathe | updating sources | 10:33 |
| Dimmuxx | any of you guys experience an issue that the screen never goes to sleep? | 10:34 |
| dsathe | any fix for gnome shell command not found ? | 10:34 |
| dsathe | on alt+f2 | 10:34 |
| Dimmuxx | I have to force it so sleep with xset dpms force off | 10:34 |
| dsathe | sleep all well here | 10:34 |
| dsathe | there is an issue in unity tho | 10:34 |
| dsathe | if i close my laptop lid it beeps and fails to suspend | 10:34 |
| dsathe | but if i click suspend | 10:34 |
| dsathe | it does | 10:35 |
| dsathe | :D | 10:35 |
| Dimmuxx | that's the fun part about running alpha software :P | 10:35 |
| dsathe | haha moved really late this time | 10:36 |
| Dimmuxx | I have no choice though on my new sandy bridge laptop since 11.04 locks up all the time on it | 10:36 |
| dsathe | else its post UDSO | 10:36 |
| Dimmuxx | I'm still running 10.10 on this computer | 10:36 |
| dsathe | i did not want to move to oneric was forced to it by a crash | 10:36 |
| dsathe | took me 7 hrs to get back in a state of work for my GSoC proj, | 10:37 |
| dsathe | :( | 10:37 |
| dsathe | but ok at least crash forced me to moove , 3 ppa and u end up with a broken system too messed up to fix | 10:37 |
| dsathe | one more last glitch | 10:38 |
| dsathe | what proxy does empathy obey | 10:38 |
| dsathe | i rember in natty it still used gconf | 10:38 |
| dsathe | is it now on dconf , ie gnome 3 system settings ? | 10:38 |
| dsathe | coz it aint working | 10:39 |
| dsathe | :( | 10:39 |
| dsathe | brb | 10:40 |
| dsathe | no rebooted , with ne session | 10:48 |
| dsathe | any solution to gnome shell command not found | 10:48 |
| === TSK_ is now known as TSK | ||
| hv | is it possible to change the shortcut key for the launcher? | 14:18 |
| coz_ | hv, if it is the same in 11.04 look in ccsm under Ubuntu unity plugin | 14:19 |
| tensorpudding | in theory, if you configure the unity plugin | 14:20 |
| tensorpudding | i've not had luck changing all the options there | 14:20 |
| dr_willis | I notced the other day that altering the settings via ccsm got ignored.. | 14:20 |
| coz_ | ooo | 14:20 |
| dr_willis | also notice that every so often all the unity settings got replaced back to defaults. | 14:20 |
| hv | they are using gsettings for such settings, don't they? | 14:20 |
| coz_ | hv, it should be handles by compiz | 14:20 |
| dr_willis | I think so hv. | 14:20 |
| coz_ | handled | 14:21 |
| coz_ | mmm darn it,, I wanted to wait awhile until I installed 11.10 | 14:21 |
| dr_willis | I think a command like this resets compiz (and unity settings) back to defaults --> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1 | 14:21 |
| tensorpudding | i thought compiz still used gconf | 14:21 |
| coz_ | tensorpudding, if it is using the gconf backend | 14:22 |
| hv | coz_: me too. just couldn't resist, and fell into the trap! | 14:22 |
| coz_ | tensorpudding, if it using the flatfile then no | 14:22 |
| tensorpudding | gsettings isn't gconf | 14:22 |
| dr_willis | Not sure how gsettings differs from gconf then. | 14:22 |
| coz_ | hv, that i understand :) | 14:22 |
| dr_willis | too many similer sounding things.. | 14:22 |
| coz_ | gconf gsettings gooo what's the difference :) | 14:23 |
| coz_ | hv, reset compiz to defaults..under Preferences | 14:23 |
| dr_willis | i cant get my nvidia drivers working.. yet again. :) but those novea drivers seem to be at least functional now for me.. | 14:23 |
| coz_ | hv, then log off and log back on ,, reset the unity plugin to see if it now works | 14:24 |
| hv | so, which one should I use for changing the launcher settings? gsettings or gconftool? | 14:24 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, that's sort of good to know,, I k now nouveau was working remarkably well on fedora + compiz.. there is that one bug,, not sure if it has been fixed,, graphics mem gets filled and all slows to a crawls | 14:25 |
| dr_willis | coz_, i cant play 3d games. but the desktop is 'useable' - i do see a lot of graphic 'glitzes' like when menus first appear. the space is filled with random colors, then overdrawn and so forth. and title bar flickers and other quirks.. | 14:25 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, yeah I have seen this also ,,, nouveau isnt really ready in my opinion but it sort of works :( | 14:26 |
| dr_willis | You could say the same thing about COmpiz. :) | 14:26 |
| coz_ | hv, i would start with the reset to defaults first | 14:26 |
| hv | coz_: thanks. let me see ... | 14:27 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, :) yeah but it is getting there at least with Unity | 14:27 |
| hv | btw is gnome-terminal noticably slow, under ubuntu-2d session? | 14:27 |
| coz_ | hv, if all else fails,, go to #compiz-dev and speak with sam,,, smspillaz | 14:27 |
| coz_ | hv, also the #ayatana channel,, they may have screwed up sams stuff not sure | 14:27 |
| hv | coz_: sure, thanks. | 14:28 |
| coz_ | hv, but of course the reality is ,, 11.10 is not ready :) | 14:32 |
| hv | even when it is ready, I would still want to change that shortcut key ;) | 14:32 |
| hv | a lot of others. | 14:33 |
| coz_ | by the way guys,, is there a classic mode in 11.10? | 14:33 |
| coz_ | or fallback mode | 14:33 |
| coz_ | ? | 14:33 |
| hv | coz_: you can install gnome-panel which also installs the classic fall back mode | 14:33 |
| coz_ | hv, ah is gnome3 available I would assume ...yes? | 14:34 |
| hv | yes the Gnome session that shows in the lightdm list is actually Gnome3 | 14:34 |
| coz_ | ok I can live with gnome3 on fallback mode | 14:34 |
| dr_willis | I cant even get gnome-3 /gnomeshell to startup at all. | 14:50 |
| coz_ | ooo | 14:51 |
| coz_ | I am definitly waiting to install then :) | 14:51 |
| dr_willis | theres no classic gnome in 11.10. i imagine you can confoigure gnome-3/shell to look like it. | 14:51 |
| dr_willis | gnome2 is dead.. deal with it. :) | 14:51 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, fallback mode in gnome3 is not bad at all | 14:51 |
| dr_willis | not used gnome-3 enough to even know what that is. tested it once ages ago on a live cd. | 14:52 |
| coz_ | runs compiz well however,, because gnome3 no longer uses "desktop windows' some plugins wont work unless the wallpaper plugin is enabled..aka transparent cube ,, snow ,, thihngs like that | 14:52 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, fallback mode disables gnome-shell,, | 14:52 |
| dr_willis | I was so hopeing compiz was just a fad. and would die out soon. :) | 14:52 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, ooo blashphemer :) | 14:53 |
| dr_willis | so many useless things.... | 14:53 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, so may great work related things as well ...yes? | 14:53 |
| dr_willis | I much perffered that metisse desktop with its eyecandy that worked without needing 3d accell. | 14:53 |
| coz_ | group windows... scale etc | 14:53 |
| dr_willis | Most pople dont even know how to use the groupwindows and other features.. :) main feature the wife likes is the zoom... | 14:53 |
| coz_ | :) | 14:54 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, thats why we are in #compiz... to guide the useage of the uninitiated :) | 14:54 |
| dr_willis | Im not sure they even know half the time. | 14:54 |
| tgm4883 | Was the command line only install option removed from the alternate disk? Or am I just blind? | 14:54 |
| coz_ | tgm4883, I havent tested 11.10 at all so I cant answer that one | 14:56 |
| tensorpudding | people don't need to know what compiz is to use it | 14:57 |
| trism | tgm4883: it is there, you need to make sure to highlight 'Install Ubuntu', then you can hit f4 and enable command line mode | 14:57 |
| tensorpudding | without compiz would be most disappointing | 14:57 |
| tgm4883 | trism, ah, that isn't at all intuitive. Thanks that will help alot | 14:57 |
| trism | tgm4883: I agree, took me a while to find it when they changed it a while ago | 14:58 |
| coz_ | tensorpudding, agreed :) | 14:59 |
| head_victim | Am I the only one unable to load gnome shell? I keep getting "failed to load session "gnome"" whenever I try and it just logs me back out when I hit ok. | 15:07 |
| dr_willis | ive not gotten it to work yet either,. | 15:08 |
| dr_willis | what session are you using at the login screen? | 15:08 |
| head_victim | Gnome | 15:08 |
| robin0800 | I think adwaita theme in unity is looking really good | 15:09 |
| head_victim | Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2d both work fine but I can't get gnome 3 to work. | 15:09 |
| dr_willis | last time i tried 'gnome' it gave me the unity desktop.. but let me try again... | 15:09 |
| dr_willis | brb | 15:09 |
| tensorpudding | i can't load gnome-shell either | 15:09 |
| tensorpudding | the session starts but none of the shell stuff is visible | 15:09 |
| head_victim | I can't even get it logged in. | 15:09 |
| head_victim | I disabled the virtualbox drivers just in case that was causing something odd but other than that it's all stock | 15:10 |
| coz_ | I wonder if gnome-shell --replace & disown would work | 15:10 |
| head_victim | coz_: Hang on I'll give it a shot | 15:10 |
| dr_willis | 'gnome' session here - just gives an error message. | 15:11 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, checking the x session errors it seems gnome shell chokes at least on radiance not sure about ambience use adwaita if you can | 15:11 |
| dr_willis | 'failed to load sesion "gnome"' | 15:12 |
| coz_ | mm | 15:12 |
| coz_ | adwaita is the default theme for it | 15:12 |
| dr_willis | I couldent even find where to change themes on this thing the other day... | 15:12 |
| dr_willis | :) | 15:12 |
| dr_willis | on the console right now. | 15:12 |
| coz_ | gnome-tweak-tool helps with that | 15:12 |
| dr_willis | the logout button, fails to go back to lightdm.. it just hangs | 15:12 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, use gnome tweak tool | 15:13 |
| mrdeb | how do you like 1110 | 15:14 |
| mrdeb | ? | 15:14 |
| head_victim | I keep getting a clutter error when trying gnome-shell --replace | 15:14 |
| dr_willis | mrdeb: its definatly at alpha state. :) | 15:14 |
| robin0800 | mrdeb, love unity with adwaita theme | 15:14 |
| coz_ | head_victim, apparenlty it is not up to par yet for ubuntu | 15:14 |
| head_victim | coz_: I'm sure others have reported it running so was just curious to see how well it worked | 15:15 |
| coz_ | head_victim, I have not tried gnome3 on ubuntu as of yet,, works remarkably well on fedora 15 however | 15:15 |
| dr_willis | running gnome-tweak-tool on unity desktop.. it seems it cant list the themes for me to sellect one. | 15:16 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, well gnome tweak tool I believe, is specifically for gnome3 ,, I could be wrong | 15:16 |
| dr_willis | under 'Shell -> shell theme ' --> "Could not list shell extensions" | 15:16 |
| coz_ | hmm | 15:16 |
| coz_ | darn it,, I guess I have to install | 15:17 |
| dr_willis | well i cant get TO gnome-3/gnome shell :) thats the issue. trying to change its theme. | 15:17 |
| coz_ | oh sorry | 15:17 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, wasnt keeping up with converstation | 15:17 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, its in interface | 15:17 |
| dr_willis | Unity seems half goofed up for me at this time also. | 15:18 |
| coz_ | well.. at alpha 3 I dont expect much to work properly :) | 15:19 |
| head_victim | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477 | 15:19 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 821477 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "gnome-session update breaks login to gnome-shell" [Undecided,Fix released] | 15:19 |
| dr_willis | I really have to wonder how all this stuff goes from working to broken with the next release.. to be honest with you. | 15:20 |
| dr_willis | but i guess we should be glad that as much of it works .. as does. | 15:20 |
| dr_willis | Undecided but its been fixed.. :) | 15:20 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, I dont know.. I often ponder the same question | 15:21 |
| dr_willis | Im not sure what Undecided means in that statement. | 15:21 |
| tensorpudding | this is the buggiest alpha 3 i've ever used | 15:21 |
| dr_willis | I think that about every 3rd rekease they should just 'lean back' and polish/fix things.. not add new features.. but fix things.. :) | 15:21 |
| tensorpudding | i've thought about that as well | 15:21 |
| dr_willis | but theres so much push for 'newer and better'..... | 15:22 |
| tensorpudding | except they should make all the releases between LTS releases "experimental" while focusing LTS releases on fixing bugs | 15:22 |
| dr_willis | MS and Apple do the same thing. only not as fast... | 15:22 |
| coz_ | tensorpudding, I have always viewed in between releases as "playtime" "experimental" | 15:23 |
| coz_ | tensorpudding, seems the best way to not get frustrated :) | 15:23 |
| dr_willis | LTS - experimental -> polish -> next lts... | 15:23 |
| tensorpudding | maverick was more stable than lucid | 15:23 |
| dr_willis | but who wants to stick to lts only. :) | 15:23 |
| dr_willis | Hmm. theres no 'custome' 'xsession' entry in lightdm.. or does it only show up if i have a xsession or .xinitrc file? | 15:24 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, did you try alpha 2? | 15:24 |
| dr_willis | robin0800: started with A2 a few weeks back. | 15:24 |
| dr_willis | its been a roller coaster up and down. | 15:24 |
| mrdeb | willis are you having trouble with 1110 | 15:24 |
| coz_ | alpha 3 is not a good time to pass judement though | 15:25 |
| dr_willis | mrdeb seems to hit a low point for now for the week.. most isues ive seen in quite some time. | 15:25 |
| dr_willis | unity is not even logging out correctly. its just hanging. | 15:25 |
| tensorpudding | natty never completely gelled | 15:25 |
| tensorpudding | i'm hoping oneiric does | 15:25 |
| coz_ | I wonder if nux is still an issue with unity / nvidia/ etc | 15:25 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, well at the beginning it was more full of bugs than alpha 3 | 15:26 |
| coz_ | one eye ric | 15:26 |
| dr_willis | was going to test gnome-3 but cant even get into that. was going to get to it by a custom .xsession but see no entry for that in lightdm. | 15:26 |
| tensorpudding | though natty had the benefit of bringing new stuff | 15:26 |
| dr_willis | robin0800: currently nvidia drivers are not working here.. they are installed. but not working. | 15:26 |
| dr_willis | the Noveau drivers are useable now at least. | 15:26 |
| mrdeb | dr, are you using daily build | 15:27 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, Ive seen that but I think jocky lies as they appear to be working as far as I can tell | 15:27 |
| dr_willis | robin0800: well they are definatly not working. :) they used to be.. then broke.. then got fixed.. then broke. | 15:28 |
| dr_willis | its a roller coaster. :) | 15:28 |
| dr_willis | what is the proper command to start a gnome3/gnome-shell session anyway? | 15:29 |
| coz_ | now all we need is cotton candy and popcorn | 15:29 |
| dr_willis | Elepant Ears! :) | 15:29 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, i think it is still gnome-shell --replace | 15:29 |
| dr_willis | coz_: making a custome .xinitrc and using startx. so just an 'exec gnome-shell' should start it up eh. | 15:30 |
| coz_ | I hope | 15:30 |
| robin0800 | dr_willis, not realy fair Ive got that error in 11.04 on the desktop machine not upgraded it yet | 15:30 |
| dr_willis | aha. Gnome-shell dosent like the fact im using the noveau drivers, and dont seem to have a proper glx stuff going. | 15:31 |
| coz_ | o0 | 15:31 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, thats odd | 15:32 |
| dr_willis | "Xserver apepars to lack the required GLX support" | 15:32 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, if you want to see gnome3 /shell and nouveau work properly...fedora 15 | 15:32 |
| dr_willis | unable to initilize clutter | 15:32 |
| dr_willis | coz_: i think i tried their live cd.. it worked. but was very sluggish on this box. | 15:33 |
| coz_ | oh! | 15:33 |
| dr_willis | i really need to put my higher end nvidia card back in this box. | 15:33 |
| coz_ | yeah for sure :) | 15:33 |
| dr_willis | I took it out because it was a power hungry 8800gtsxxx and loud. | 15:33 |
| dr_willis | and it took up 2 slots one i needed. :) | 15:33 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, well it would be interesting to see if it solves some issues ..yes? | 15:34 |
| dr_willis | Yea. cleaning up the pc room/desks now.. may do that later. | 15:34 |
| dr_willis | all ive been running on this test box is ZNC and weechat. | 15:34 |
| coz_ | cool,, I would actually like to now if it in fact does solve some issues | 15:35 |
| dr_willis | looking at the x logs now.. | 15:36 |
| dr_willis | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) | 15:36 |
| coz_ | oy | 15:36 |
| dr_willis | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) | 15:36 |
| coz_ | double oy | 15:36 |
| dr_willis | so what driver am i using.. :) | 15:36 |
| coz_ | apparently nouveau | 15:36 |
| coz_ | sort of maybe ,, I dont know | 15:36 |
| coz_ | since no more nv i would assume nouveau..yes? | 15:37 |
| dr_willis | yea. i dont see that mentioned in the logs.. | 15:37 |
| dr_willis | [ 10312.795] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: nouveau | 15:38 |
| dr_willis | [ 10312.820] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) | 15:38 |
| coz_ | ah | 15:38 |
| dr_willis | this is on a low end nvidia build in to the mb chipset. | 15:38 |
| dr_willis | 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) | 15:38 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, what like a 6600 or something? | 15:39 |
| coz_ | ah | 15:39 |
| dr_willis | my old old desktop. :) | 15:39 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, I have one with a 6600 onboard | 15:39 |
| coz_ | it sort of works | 15:39 |
| dr_willis | Yea. i need to get that 8800 down and put in here. .. | 15:39 |
| coz_ | for sure :) | 15:39 |
| yofel | dr_willis: did you try to add nomodeset to the kernel options? | 15:39 |
| dr_willis | but its sitting right near the bed.. and that 8800 is so #*&&! loud. | 15:40 |
| dr_willis | yofel: used to need that to even get the system to boot. :) havent tried it lately | 15:40 |
| yofel | for some reasons nouveau gets into the initramfs and blocks the nvidia driver | 15:40 |
| dr_willis | that makes sence. | 15:40 |
| coz_ | I'll have to keep that in mind | 15:40 |
| tensorpudding | nautilus is really buggy | 15:41 |
| yofel | so with nomodeset nouveau can't enable KMS and thus should be un-loadable again | 15:41 |
| yofel | at least here nvidia works with it | 15:41 |
| coz_ | yofel, it can be blacklisted ...yes? | 15:43 |
| coz_ | or is that just overkill | 15:43 |
| yofel | well, it *is* blacklisted if the nvidia driver is installed | 15:43 |
| coz_ | ok | 15:43 |
| yofel | for some reason that blacklist is ignored by update-initramfs | 15:43 |
| coz_ | yofel, ah ok understood now | 15:43 |
| dsathe | the ubuntu panel is still visible on starting the gnome shell session | 15:45 |
| dsathe | how do i get rid of it ? | 15:45 |
| coz_ | killall gnome-panel ? | 15:45 |
| dr_willis | thats what i thought.. it should be blacklisted.. | 15:46 |
| dr_willis | well made changes.. rebooting | 15:46 |
| dr_willis | bbl | 15:46 |
| coz_ | :) | 15:47 |
| dsathe | ok got it | 15:47 |
| dsathe | nautilus was handeling desktop | 15:47 |
| dsathe | switched it of | 15:47 |
| coz_ | ah | 15:47 |
| dsathe | off | 15:47 |
| dsathe | now all well | 15:47 |
| dr_willis | well nomodset seems to have worked.. | 15:53 |
| dr_willis | the noveau driver was somehow stopping the nvidia driver from loading | 15:53 |
| penguin42 | two drivers driving one piece of hardware is normally bad news | 15:55 |
| coz_ | dr_willis, cool thats real good news :) | 15:55 |
| dr_willis | bbl pizza time | 15:56 |
| coz_ | :) | 15:56 |
| coz_ | mmmmm | 15:56 |
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| penguin42 | yofel: Have you found any flashing/flickering in menus on gnome apps running under KDE ? | 16:15 |
| yofel | not for me, but all I use from the GTK side are firefox and thunderbird | 16:16 |
| penguin42 | gnucash's menus are flickering heavily for me | 16:19 |
| penguin42 | I'll check it under gnome I guess first | 16:19 |
| min|dvir|us | Weird error with Totem. | 16:36 |
| min|dvir|us | "Error connecting: Connection refused" -- it opens for a split second, then closes. | 16:37 |
| tensorpudding | totem crashes for me all the time | 16:40 |
| tensorpudding | luckily i use vlc | 16:40 |
| min|dvir|us | Yeah, lucky for you, but unlucky for all the users who just use the default video player. | 16:41 |
| tensorpudding | well | 16:41 |
| tensorpudding | i guess it is alpha 3 | 16:41 |
| tensorpudding | it's still terrible | 16:41 |
| tensorpudding | but not the worst problem with it | 16:42 |
| min|dvir|us | It's shaping up nicely. :) | 16:42 |
| min|dvir|us | The main reason this bothers me is that I am having trouble watching porn. | 16:42 |
| tensorpudding | use vlc for video instead | 16:42 |
| min|dvir|us | I like Totem. :) | 16:43 |
| dr_willis | well gnome-shell is now workings.. No idea what makes it so great. but its workings | 16:59 |
| bullgard6 | What is the proper way to test GNOME 3 if I want to keep my Natty GNOME 2? | 17:07 |
| escott | bullgard6, there isn't a good way unfortunately. you will want to have a throw-away system. you might try a usb disk | 17:08 |
| bullgard6 | escott: Or install Oneiric just as another operating system? | 17:09 |
| escott | bullgard6, yes. the gnome3 ppa can break natty, and once you go oneiric there isn't a good path back | 17:09 |
| bjsnider | gnome 2 and 3 cannot reside side by side | 17:10 |
| bjsnider | they are mutually exclusive | 17:10 |
| bullgard6 | escott: Right. -- How much free space do I need on my hard disk for testing Oneiric? | 17:11 |
| bjsnider | you could just boot today's livecd | 17:11 |
| bjsnider | you don't need to install it just to test it | 17:11 |
| bullgard6 | bjsnider: If I make the effort, then I will test it more thoroughly.. | 17:12 |
| min|dvir|us | Anyone know anything about dbus? | 17:37 |
| escott | !anyone | 17:38 |
| ubottu | A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. | 17:38 |
| bullgard6 | How much freedisk space do I need for installing Oneiric on a new partition? | 18:04 |
| escott | bullgard6, depends on how much you want to install 10g should be plenty | 18:04 |
| bullgard6 | escott: Thank you for your advice. | 18:06 |
| htorque | bullgard6: afaik the minimum is 4.5 gb | 18:07 |
| htorque | (required by the installer) | 18:07 |
| bullgard6 | htorque: I will make a new partition of ~10 GB. | 18:07 |
| htorque | bullgard6: should be enough :) | 18:08 |
| dr_willis | Hmm. TO use gnome-tweak-tool it mentions i need to install a 'user theme' extension so this is some pacage in the package manager? searching for it now and not finding it.. | 18:33 |
| escott | dr_willis, are you installing gnome-tweak-tool from source or is there a package | 18:53 |
| dr_willis | Just installed it from the repos.. reading up on it now. | 18:53 |
| dr_willis | managed to extract a new theme to my .themes dir also. :) | 18:53 |
| dr_willis | Adwaita theme. | 18:54 |
| dr_willis | extracted some shell extensions to the right place also. but they are not showing up in the gnome-tweak-tool either. gnome-shell-frippery-0.2.3.tgz | 18:55 |
| BUGabundo | 11958 1058e3 781 58639K 5.0G 1.4G 5.0G 1.4G bugabund bugabund 37% chromium-brows | 21:01 |
| BUGabundo | this is getting preposterous | 21:01 |
| Daekdroom | Woah. | 21:01 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: 1.4G - is that enough for all your G+ posts? | 21:08 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: it was 3 open tabs | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | two gmail, one plus | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | on one of my circles | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | not much movement there | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | toooooo much | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | there's a leak somewhere | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | trying a clean profile now | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | 13354 1329 0 58639K 961.0M 99824K 32K 328K bugabund bugabund 2% chromium-brows | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | see the diff? | 21:10 |
| LarsT | Hello! | 21:28 |
| LarsT | I have a question. | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | that doesn't sound like a question to me :P | 21:29 |
| LarsT | Is gnome-shell preinstalled in 11.10 now | 21:33 |
| coz_ | LarsT, I think its installable via repos | 21:34 |
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| Seven_Six_Two | I downloaded oneiric, but the iso is 709MB. | 21:41 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I got it on my desktop, and I was going to install it on a spare partition on my laptop. any ideas on how I can do it without resorting to a vm? | 21:42 |
| bazhang | Seven_Six_Two, boot the iso using grub2? | 21:42 |
| bazhang | Seven_Six_Two, you mean put the iso on a spare hdd, or try to install with no media at all | 21:43 |
| Seven_Six_Two | bazhang, so move it from my desktop to my laptop's main ubuntu install and boot from there? I wasn't aware I could do that | 21:43 |
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| bazhang | Seven_Six_Two, use a usb stick if it's too large | 21:44 |
| bazhang | ie unetbootin | 21:44 |
| Seven_Six_Two | Seven_Six_Two, I think I can find a usb stick. the last time I tried that, it wouldn't work...I'll give it a shot | 21:45 |
| bazhang | sometimes takes a couple of "burns" to get it right | 21:45 |
| bazhang | unetbootin is the most failproof one I've used | 21:46 |
| Seven_Six_Two | is unetbootin == startup disk creator? | 21:46 |
| bazhang | no, thats usb-disk-creator | 21:47 |
| bazhang | !info unetbootin | 21:47 |
| ubottu | unetbootin (source: unetbootin): installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive. In component universe, is optional. Version 549-2 (oneiric), package size 281 kB, installed size 800 kB | 21:47 |
| Seven_Six_Two | oh ok. That's actually what I tried and failed with | 21:48 |
| Seven_Six_Two | unfortunately I don't see any option in my laptop's bios to boot from usb | 21:50 |
| Seven_Six_Two | oh wait. I spoke too soon | 21:50 |
| Seven_Six_Two | i have options for usb floppy, usb diskette on key, usb hard drive. I know it's not the last option | 21:51 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I'm guessing diskette on key>? | 21:51 |
| penguin42 | Seven_Six_Two: Actually I think usb hard drive should work | 22:12 |
| Seven_Six_Two | I'll try both. bios is set and laptop is off. It's got to be one of them! | 22:14 |
| Seven_Six_Two | thanks for the info though, penguin42 | 22:14 |
| Seven_Six_Two | unetbootin was a lot easier than I thought it would be. thanks all! | 22:19 |
| LarsTorben | hello | 22:30 |
| LarsTorben | is 11.10 usuable ? | 22:30 |
| penguin42 | LarsTorben: Not too bad at the moment, but it's an Alpha so it might break horribly for you | 22:30 |
| LarsTorben | yes i do not need the pc as productive it is a home pc | 22:31 |
| LarsTorben | if i upgrade to final, do i have fully final ? | 22:31 |
| penguin42 | probably yes | 22:31 |
| penguin42 | LarsTorben: Could you recover if the alpha didn't boot for you? | 22:31 |
| rww | If you run alpha and then continue updating as normal until release, then yes, you will have final. | 22:31 |
| charlie-tca | !final | 22:31 |
| ubottu | If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. | 22:31 |
| penguin42 | hmm that needs updating | 22:32 |
| rww | !+final | 22:32 |
| ubottu | <reply> If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. | 22:32 |
| LarsTorben | penguin42: no problem | 22:32 |
| rww | hrm, there's a thing for this. one sec. | 22:32 |
| penguin42 | LarsTorben: In that case I'd say go for it; the KDE and Gnome versions seem OK with just a few quirks at the moment | 22:33 |
| LarsTorben | i think it did not make sense to use 11.04 if 11.10 is in the start | 22:33 |
| LarsTorben | yes thank you | 22:33 |
| Seven_Six_Two | in order to not trash my 11.04 install on /dev/sdc1 where should I put 11.10 boot loader when I install to sdc8? | 22:33 |
| rww | !no, final is <reply> If you install a development version of Ubuntu $curDevel and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of $curDevelNum when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 22:34 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that rww | 22:34 |
| rww | !final | 22:34 |
| ubottu | If you install a development version of Ubuntu Oneiric and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. | 22:34 |
| rww | ^_^ | 22:34 |
| penguin42 | Nice! | 22:34 |
| jbicha | Seven_Six_Two: the bootloader will automatically recognize your other partitions, you can just let grub install | 22:34 |
| jbicha | like normal to sdc | 22:34 |
| Seven_Six_Two | jbicha, I'm being prompted to choose a partition. they are all listed, including just sdc | 22:35 |
| Seven_Six_Two | just sdc? ok, thanks | 22:35 |
| Seven_Six_Two | and it won't overwrite 11.04's grub? | 22:36 |
| jbicha | no, normally grub is installed to the MBR but overwriting 11.04's grub is ok, it will still work | 22:36 |
| Seven_Six_Two | after i choose my username and pwd, installer says "welcome to 11.04". that's funny | 22:39 |
| Seven_Six_Two | although top of screen and install icon on desktop say 11.10, and the iso says oneiric | 22:41 |
| jbicha | Seven_Six_Two: bug 794248 | 22:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 794248 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-slideshow-lubuntu Welcome slide has version 11.04 on Oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794248 | 22:42 |
| Seven_Six_Two | haha. it's all good, although I cursed for a moment... | 22:43 |
| jbicha | haha, yeah it will be fixed in a bit, 11.10's not even beta yet | 22:44 |
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