[00:00] ang1234 [00:00] greetings here, i came back [00:32] anyone ever had problems with recorded or broadcasted sound (voice) being so high chip, that sounds like you are speaking VERY fast? [00:32] trying to upgrade to trunk build of PA to see if it improves [00:33] Installed: 1:0.9.23-0ubuntu2 [00:33] Candidate: 1:0.98-dev~gitmaster201108050634-0ubuntu374~oneiric1 [00:51] LOLOL [00:51] nautilus crashes *everytime* I right click to delete in the tree view [00:52] apport overs to send the bug: complete report 135MBs. *small* report 87MBs :P === emma is now known as em [07:16] Has Canonical bought this for Ubuntu yet http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/touchpad-linux ? [07:16] Can a user get it somehow? [07:17] my OEM, Sony, couldn't care less for Linux support, so I'm pretty much on my own here :( [08:43] What should we use instead xdg-open in oneiric? [09:14] hi all [09:14] having problems with unity on 11.10 on a mac book pro 2.2 using the mac iso image ... i fixed the battery check problem with your help, thanks! [09:14] now when i log in i have nautilus on top of unity that is not running, while if i log in in the recovery mode and then i log in as user and run : startx .. all works fine [09:14] have you any hints about? [09:17] on the ubuntu wiki i was looking for the macbook pro hints .. but for my model 2.2 there are no hint for the 11.x release [09:17] i'm open to any kind of test .. i can be your guinea pig on a macbook pro 2.2. if this can help :-/ [09:22] LOL [09:24] i'm sending all the report every time i had a crash, i tried to do : unity --replace too but doesn't fix the problem. for now the only way i have to run it is : log in root shell + netw. -> sudo su username -> startx [09:25] while if i log on using a normal boot .. nautilus is on top, unity doesn't start (i've no access to app settings etc ...) the same problem happen if i try to log in a gnome session [09:26] while ubuntu2d is half working, unit 2d give me only one active desktop, and when i try to switch from one app to an other one it give me problem in the application menu on the top bar [09:29] any clue on how to reset the user unity configuration and settings ? [09:30] maybe is an user setting problem .. but no clue about [09:30] maybe removing hidden files from the user home ? [09:30] epifanio, gnome won't work I think until you install gnome shell but at present that wont start on mine [09:33] robin0800: i like unity .. i'd like to use it as i'm doing .. but the procedure i'm doing to have it working is weird and not optimal [09:33] so it's normal that gnome doesn't work .. ok [09:36] epifanio, you are unlucky with your ubuntu installation and that's sad. You could try with a normal Desktop PC/laptop with a clear install [09:38] nautilus is starting on the top masking unity .. in the menubar on top no way to close it . if i open the terminal running it from nautilus /usr/bin/.. i tried to kill its pid .. but then i've an empty desktop .. no unity no windoew manager [09:38] hakermania: i'm used to soffer .. but i've only this laptop. 11.04 doesn't boot on macbookpro [09:39] i've it running on my desktop [09:39] the only distro that actually boot on a macbookpro is 11.10 (debian too failed .. as 11.04 ... the install cd ask me at boot : selecd cd room boot type ... and froze there [09:40] i used the mac iso image for 11.10 [09:41] the problem with the installation was beacouse i chose the 64bit distro .. i guess [09:42] epifanio, this is ridiculous, 11.10 is in testing stage, yet [09:43] hakermania: yes, i know .. what is ridicolpus is that the stable 11.04 .. doesn't boot [09:43] no? [09:43] epifanio, 11.04 isn't stable, 12.04 will be [09:43] uh .. so there are 2 unstable ? [09:43] ok ... [09:43] epifanio, 11.04 is one of the most unstable versions ever, for stability you could use 10.04 [09:44] this means i have to come back to 10.04 [09:44] epifanio, yes, till 12.04 release which is meant to be stable and will be possibly work to you, if everything else fails [09:44] .. odd .. beacouse 11.10 was working fine .. i don't know if using it and send report is of any help for the dev team [09:44] is it ? [09:48] epifanio, I assume so [09:48] epifanio, the weird thing is that 11.10 is not official yet and it's working to you while the official releases don't :P [09:50] yes, this is what i means .. but it's true i had to choose the mac.iso to have it running .. and this problem affect all the latest distros [09:50] 11.10 is alpha [09:50] i know [09:50] but just runs quite fine :) [09:51] running it since pre alpha 1, and only had 1 issue where my gnome didn't boot [09:51] it has all working here .. except for the weird way i have to do to have the window manager runnig [09:51] else only smqll issues MP [09:51] has any one got gnome shell to work? [09:52] yes [09:52] but on 11.10 [09:52] can i try gnome shell maybe ? [09:52] gnome-shell > unity [09:53] but thats my opinion /D [09:53] dupondje, did it just work for you? because it won't start for me [09:54] robin0800: on 11.10 ? [09:54] http://paste.debian.net/125250/ [09:55] dupondje, yes alpha 3 [09:55] this what i had [09:55] it works fine here [09:55] Only needed to install an additional package to make my gtk apps look good :P [09:55] but that is fixed now i think [09:56] did you installed it from repository ? [09:56] yea [09:56] dupondje, what package? [09:57] gnome-themes-standard or so [09:57] but its not NEEDED to get gnome3 working [09:57] it will only look ugly ^^ [09:58] what error do you get when starting gnome-shell ? [09:58] dupondje, it might be because I found gnome tweak tool can change unity themes [10:00] i'll try to quit my window manager .. and try to run gnomeshell .. i'll be back .. to make you happy [10:00] ;-) [10:02] dupondje, its not starting I just get the top left menu if I then start it from terminal it wont detach but it then works [10:02] yeah gnome shell or unity do not start on logon [10:02] any solution [10:02] for now i hae to launch them manully [10:03] lightdm ? [10:03] dsathe, unity starts on login here just gnome shell won't [10:04] using gdm or lightdm ? [10:12] yep lightdm [10:12] also i would love to have default adwaita [10:12] sans ambiance/radiance borders [10:12] is it possible [10:13] You can change that in gnome tweak no ? [10:13] have Adwaita here [10:13] dupondje, gnome shell started this time no idea why though [10:14] :p [10:15] dupondje: yeah without orange bar on top ? [10:15] that is what i am lookin for [10:15] as in with adwaita windo borders too [10:15] orange ? :p never seen an orange bar :P [10:16] lemme try now [10:16] gimme a min [10:18] dupondje: no luk now i have a blue titlebar [10:18] not orange [10:18] titlebar is still wierd and messed up , am i lacking anything [10:20] what you mean by "messed up" [10:22] waitup ill show u a screenshot [10:22] gimme 2 min [10:22] dsathe: be happy that you can login to gnome-shell at all, If I select GNOME it starts unity [10:23] and to get the proper shell look you need to remove a package or had to that before at least. Have you logged off and on again after changing the theme to adawaita? [10:24] because it is the ugly blue title bar until you do that, a gnome-shell restart might do the trick too [10:25] http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=4722 [10:25] Dimmuxx: [10:25] same here [10:26] i have terminal extension in nautilus [10:26] use that fire up a terminal [10:26] and fire up gnome shell [10:26] oh i dint try a logoff and login [10:27] brb lemme try , dupondje Dimmuxx plz hang on brb [10:30] yeah [10:30] logout did it [10:31] seems the login bug is fixed too [10:31] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477 [10:31] Ubuntu bug 821477 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "gnome-session update breaks login to gnome-shell" [Undecided,Fix released] [10:31] It seems like you are missing gnome-themes-standard ? :) [10:31] yeah did it fixed [10:32] now the dirty bar from unity is still lurking behind the shell [10:32] gets confusing [10:32] can it be hidden or removed ? [10:33] get the new version of gnome-session and you will be able to login to gnome-shell properly [10:33] cool [10:33] updating sources [10:34] any of you guys experience an issue that the screen never goes to sleep? [10:34] any fix for gnome shell command not found ? [10:34] on alt+f2 [10:34] I have to force it so sleep with xset dpms force off [10:34] sleep all well here [10:34] there is an issue in unity tho [10:34] if i close my laptop lid it beeps and fails to suspend [10:34] but if i click suspend [10:35] it does [10:35] :D [10:35] that's the fun part about running alpha software :P [10:36] haha moved really late this time [10:36] I have no choice though on my new sandy bridge laptop since 11.04 locks up all the time on it [10:36] else its post UDSO [10:36] I'm still running 10.10 on this computer [10:36] i did not want to move to oneric was forced to it by a crash [10:37] took me 7 hrs to get back in a state of work for my GSoC proj, [10:37] :( [10:37] but ok at least crash forced me to moove , 3 ppa and u end up with a broken system too messed up to fix [10:38] one more last glitch [10:38] what proxy does empathy obey [10:38] i rember in natty it still used gconf [10:38] is it now on dconf , ie gnome 3 system settings ? [10:39] coz it aint working [10:39] :( [10:40] brb [10:48] no rebooted , with ne session [10:48] any solution to gnome shell command not found === TSK_ is now known as TSK [14:18] is it possible to change the shortcut key for the launcher? [14:19] hv, if it is the same in 11.04 look in ccsm under Ubuntu unity plugin [14:20] in theory, if you configure the unity plugin [14:20] i've not had luck changing all the options there [14:20] I notced the other day that altering the settings via ccsm got ignored.. [14:20] ooo [14:20] also notice that every so often all the unity settings got replaced back to defaults. [14:20] they are using gsettings for such settings, don't they? [14:20] hv, it should be handles by compiz [14:20] I think so hv. [14:21] handled [14:21] mmm darn it,, I wanted to wait awhile until I installed 11.10 [14:21] I think a command like this resets compiz (and unity settings) back to defaults --> gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/compiz-1 [14:21] i thought compiz still used gconf [14:22] tensorpudding, if it is using the gconf backend [14:22] coz_: me too. just couldn't resist, and fell into the trap! [14:22] tensorpudding, if it using the flatfile then no [14:22] gsettings isn't gconf [14:22] Not sure how gsettings differs from gconf then. [14:22] hv, that i understand :) [14:22] too many similer sounding things.. [14:23] gconf gsettings gooo what's the difference :) [14:23] hv, reset compiz to defaults..under Preferences [14:23] i cant get my nvidia drivers working.. yet again. :) but those novea drivers seem to be at least functional now for me.. [14:24] hv, then log off and log back on ,, reset the unity plugin to see if it now works [14:24] so, which one should I use for changing the launcher settings? gsettings or gconftool? [14:25] dr_willis, that's sort of good to know,, I k now nouveau was working remarkably well on fedora + compiz.. there is that one bug,, not sure if it has been fixed,, graphics mem gets filled and all slows to a crawls [14:25] coz_, i cant play 3d games. but the desktop is 'useable' - i do see a lot of graphic 'glitzes' like when menus first appear. the space is filled with random colors, then overdrawn and so forth. and title bar flickers and other quirks.. [14:26] dr_willis, yeah I have seen this also ,,, nouveau isnt really ready in my opinion but it sort of works :( [14:26] You could say the same thing about COmpiz. :) [14:26] hv, i would start with the reset to defaults first [14:27] coz_: thanks. let me see ... [14:27] dr_willis, :) yeah but it is getting there at least with Unity [14:27] btw is gnome-terminal noticably slow, under ubuntu-2d session? [14:27] hv, if all else fails,, go to #compiz-dev and speak with sam,,, smspillaz [14:27] hv, also the #ayatana channel,, they may have screwed up sams stuff not sure [14:28] coz_: sure, thanks. [14:32] hv, but of course the reality is ,, 11.10 is not ready :) [14:32] even when it is ready, I would still want to change that shortcut key ;) [14:33] a lot of others. [14:33] by the way guys,, is there a classic mode in 11.10? [14:33] or fallback mode [14:33] ? [14:33] coz_: you can install gnome-panel which also installs the classic fall back mode [14:34] hv, ah is gnome3 available I would assume ...yes? [14:34] yes the Gnome session that shows in the lightdm list is actually Gnome3 [14:34] ok I can live with gnome3 on fallback mode [14:50] I cant even get gnome-3 /gnomeshell to startup at all. [14:51] ooo [14:51] I am definitly waiting to install then :) [14:51] theres no classic gnome in 11.10. i imagine you can confoigure gnome-3/shell to look like it. [14:51] gnome2 is dead.. deal with it. :) [14:51] dr_willis, fallback mode in gnome3 is not bad at all [14:52] not used gnome-3 enough to even know what that is. tested it once ages ago on a live cd. [14:52] runs compiz well however,, because gnome3 no longer uses "desktop windows' some plugins wont work unless the wallpaper plugin is enabled..aka transparent cube ,, snow ,, thihngs like that [14:52] dr_willis, fallback mode disables gnome-shell,, [14:52] I was so hopeing compiz was just a fad. and would die out soon. :) [14:53] dr_willis, ooo blashphemer :) [14:53] so many useless things.... [14:53] dr_willis, so may great work related things as well ...yes? [14:53] I much perffered that metisse desktop with its eyecandy that worked without needing 3d accell. [14:53] group windows... scale etc [14:53] Most pople dont even know how to use the groupwindows and other features.. :) main feature the wife likes is the zoom... [14:54] :) [14:54] dr_willis, thats why we are in #compiz... to guide the useage of the uninitiated :) [14:54] Im not sure they even know half the time. [14:54] Was the command line only install option removed from the alternate disk? Or am I just blind? [14:56] tgm4883, I havent tested 11.10 at all so I cant answer that one [14:57] people don't need to know what compiz is to use it [14:57] tgm4883: it is there, you need to make sure to highlight 'Install Ubuntu', then you can hit f4 and enable command line mode [14:57] without compiz would be most disappointing [14:57] trism, ah, that isn't at all intuitive. Thanks that will help alot [14:58] tgm4883: I agree, took me a while to find it when they changed it a while ago [14:59] tensorpudding, agreed :) [15:07] Am I the only one unable to load gnome shell? I keep getting "failed to load session "gnome"" whenever I try and it just logs me back out when I hit ok. [15:08] ive not gotten it to work yet either,. [15:08] what session are you using at the login screen? [15:08] Gnome [15:09] I think adwaita theme in unity is looking really good [15:09] Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2d both work fine but I can't get gnome 3 to work. [15:09] last time i tried 'gnome' it gave me the unity desktop.. but let me try again... [15:09] brb [15:09] i can't load gnome-shell either [15:09] the session starts but none of the shell stuff is visible [15:09] I can't even get it logged in. [15:10] I disabled the virtualbox drivers just in case that was causing something odd but other than that it's all stock [15:10] I wonder if gnome-shell --replace & disown would work [15:10] coz_: Hang on I'll give it a shot [15:11] 'gnome' session here - just gives an error message. [15:11] dr_willis, checking the x session errors it seems gnome shell chokes at least on radiance not sure about ambience use adwaita if you can [15:12] 'failed to load sesion "gnome"' [15:12] mm [15:12] adwaita is the default theme for it [15:12] I couldent even find where to change themes on this thing the other day... [15:12] :) [15:12] on the console right now. [15:12] gnome-tweak-tool helps with that [15:12] the logout button, fails to go back to lightdm.. it just hangs [15:13] dr_willis, use gnome tweak tool [15:14] how do you like 1110 [15:14] ? [15:14] I keep getting a clutter error when trying gnome-shell --replace [15:14] mrdeb: its definatly at alpha state. :) [15:14] mrdeb, love unity with adwaita theme [15:14] head_victim, apparenlty it is not up to par yet for ubuntu [15:15] coz_: I'm sure others have reported it running so was just curious to see how well it worked [15:15] head_victim, I have not tried gnome3 on ubuntu as of yet,, works remarkably well on fedora 15 however [15:16] running gnome-tweak-tool on unity desktop.. it seems it cant list the themes for me to sellect one. [15:16] dr_willis, well gnome tweak tool I believe, is specifically for gnome3 ,, I could be wrong [15:16] under 'Shell -> shell theme ' --> "Could not list shell extensions" [15:16] hmm [15:17] darn it,, I guess I have to install [15:17] well i cant get TO gnome-3/gnome shell :) thats the issue. trying to change its theme. [15:17] oh sorry [15:17] dr_willis, wasnt keeping up with converstation [15:17] dr_willis, its in interface [15:18] Unity seems half goofed up for me at this time also. [15:19] well.. at alpha 3 I dont expect much to work properly :) [15:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/821477 [15:19] Ubuntu bug 821477 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "gnome-session update breaks login to gnome-shell" [Undecided,Fix released] [15:20] I really have to wonder how all this stuff goes from working to broken with the next release.. to be honest with you. [15:20] but i guess we should be glad that as much of it works .. as does. [15:20] Undecided but its been fixed.. :) [15:21] dr_willis, I dont know.. I often ponder the same question [15:21] Im not sure what Undecided means in that statement. [15:21] this is the buggiest alpha 3 i've ever used [15:21] I think that about every 3rd rekease they should just 'lean back' and polish/fix things.. not add new features.. but fix things.. :) [15:21] i've thought about that as well [15:22] but theres so much push for 'newer and better'..... [15:22] except they should make all the releases between LTS releases "experimental" while focusing LTS releases on fixing bugs [15:22] MS and Apple do the same thing. only not as fast... [15:23] tensorpudding, I have always viewed in between releases as "playtime" "experimental" [15:23] tensorpudding, seems the best way to not get frustrated :) [15:23] LTS - experimental -> polish -> next lts... [15:23] maverick was more stable than lucid [15:23] but who wants to stick to lts only. :) [15:24] Hmm. theres no 'custome' 'xsession' entry in lightdm.. or does it only show up if i have a xsession or .xinitrc file? [15:24] dr_willis, did you try alpha 2? [15:24] robin0800: started with A2 a few weeks back. [15:24] its been a roller coaster up and down. [15:24] willis are you having trouble with 1110 [15:25] alpha 3 is not a good time to pass judement though [15:25] mrdeb seems to hit a low point for now for the week.. most isues ive seen in quite some time. [15:25] unity is not even logging out correctly. its just hanging. [15:25] natty never completely gelled [15:25] i'm hoping oneiric does [15:25] I wonder if nux is still an issue with unity / nvidia/ etc [15:26] dr_willis, well at the beginning it was more full of bugs than alpha 3 [15:26] one eye ric [15:26] was going to test gnome-3 but cant even get into that. was going to get to it by a custom .xsession but see no entry for that in lightdm. [15:26] though natty had the benefit of bringing new stuff [15:26] robin0800: currently nvidia drivers are not working here.. they are installed. but not working. [15:26] the Noveau drivers are useable now at least. [15:27] dr, are you using daily build [15:27] dr_willis, Ive seen that but I think jocky lies as they appear to be working as far as I can tell [15:28] robin0800: well they are definatly not working. :) they used to be.. then broke.. then got fixed.. then broke. [15:28] its a roller coaster. :) [15:29] what is the proper command to start a gnome3/gnome-shell session anyway? [15:29] now all we need is cotton candy and popcorn [15:29] Elepant Ears! :) [15:29] dr_willis, i think it is still gnome-shell --replace [15:30] coz_: making a custome .xinitrc and using startx. so just an 'exec gnome-shell' should start it up eh. [15:30] I hope [15:30] dr_willis, not realy fair Ive got that error in 11.04 on the desktop machine not upgraded it yet [15:31] aha. Gnome-shell dosent like the fact im using the noveau drivers, and dont seem to have a proper glx stuff going. [15:31] o0 [15:32] dr_willis, thats odd [15:32] "Xserver apepars to lack the required GLX support" [15:32] dr_willis, if you want to see gnome3 /shell and nouveau work properly...fedora 15 [15:32] unable to initilize clutter [15:33] coz_: i think i tried their live cd.. it worked. but was very sluggish on this box. [15:33] oh! [15:33] i really need to put my higher end nvidia card back in this box. [15:33] yeah for sure :) [15:33] I took it out because it was a power hungry 8800gtsxxx and loud. [15:33] and it took up 2 slots one i needed. :) [15:34] dr_willis, well it would be interesting to see if it solves some issues ..yes? [15:34] Yea. cleaning up the pc room/desks now.. may do that later. [15:34] all ive been running on this test box is ZNC and weechat. [15:35] cool,, I would actually like to now if it in fact does solve some issues [15:36] looking at the x logs now.. [15:36] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0) [15:36] oy [15:36] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [15:36] double oy [15:36] so what driver am i using.. :) [15:36] apparently nouveau [15:36] sort of maybe ,, I dont know [15:37] since no more nv i would assume nouveau..yes? [15:37] yea. i dont see that mentioned in the logs.. [15:38] [ 10312.795] (II) NOUVEAU(0): [DRI2] DRI driver: nouveau [15:38] [ 10312.820] (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [15:38] ah [15:38] this is on a low end nvidia build in to the mb chipset. [15:38] 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) [15:39] dr_willis, what like a 6600 or something? [15:39] ah [15:39] my old old desktop. :) [15:39] dr_willis, I have one with a 6600 onboard [15:39] it sort of works [15:39] Yea. i need to get that 8800 down and put in here. .. [15:39] for sure :) [15:39] dr_willis: did you try to add nomodeset to the kernel options? [15:40] but its sitting right near the bed.. and that 8800 is so #*&&! loud. [15:40] yofel: used to need that to even get the system to boot. :) havent tried it lately [15:40] for some reasons nouveau gets into the initramfs and blocks the nvidia driver [15:40] that makes sence. [15:40] I'll have to keep that in mind [15:41] nautilus is really buggy [15:41] so with nomodeset nouveau can't enable KMS and thus should be un-loadable again [15:41] at least here nvidia works with it [15:43] yofel, it can be blacklisted ...yes? [15:43] or is that just overkill [15:43] well, it *is* blacklisted if the nvidia driver is installed [15:43] ok [15:43] for some reason that blacklist is ignored by update-initramfs [15:43] yofel, ah ok understood now [15:45] the ubuntu panel is still visible on starting the gnome shell session [15:45] how do i get rid of it ? [15:45] killall gnome-panel ? [15:46] thats what i thought.. it should be blacklisted.. [15:46] well made changes.. rebooting [15:46] bbl [15:47] :) [15:47] ok got it [15:47] nautilus was handeling desktop [15:47] switched it of [15:47] ah [15:47] off [15:47] now all well [15:53] well nomodset seems to have worked.. [15:53] the noveau driver was somehow stopping the nvidia driver from loading [15:55] two drivers driving one piece of hardware is normally bad news [15:55] dr_willis, cool thats real good news :) [15:56] bbl pizza time [15:56] :) [15:56] mmmmm === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as DragonEyes === DragonEyes is now known as Mohi [16:15] yofel: Have you found any flashing/flickering in menus on gnome apps running under KDE ? [16:16] not for me, but all I use from the GTK side are firefox and thunderbird [16:19] gnucash's menus are flickering heavily for me [16:19] I'll check it under gnome I guess first [16:36] Weird error with Totem. [16:37] "Error connecting: Connection refused" -- it opens for a split second, then closes. [16:40] totem crashes for me all the time [16:40] luckily i use vlc [16:41] Yeah, lucky for you, but unlucky for all the users who just use the default video player. [16:41] well [16:41] i guess it is alpha 3 [16:41] it's still terrible [16:42] but not the worst problem with it [16:42] It's shaping up nicely. :) [16:42] The main reason this bothers me is that I am having trouble watching porn. [16:42] use vlc for video instead [16:43] I like Totem. :) [16:59] well gnome-shell is now workings.. No idea what makes it so great. but its workings [17:07] What is the proper way to test GNOME 3 if I want to keep my Natty GNOME 2? [17:08] bullgard6, there isn't a good way unfortunately. you will want to have a throw-away system. you might try a usb disk [17:09] escott: Or install Oneiric just as another operating system? [17:09] bullgard6, yes. the gnome3 ppa can break natty, and once you go oneiric there isn't a good path back [17:10] gnome 2 and 3 cannot reside side by side [17:10] they are mutually exclusive [17:11] escott: Right. -- How much free space do I need on my hard disk for testing Oneiric? [17:11] you could just boot today's livecd [17:11] you don't need to install it just to test it [17:12] bjsnider: If I make the effort, then I will test it more thoroughly.. [17:37] Anyone know anything about dbus? [17:38] !anyone [17:38] A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [18:04] How much freedisk space do I need for installing Oneiric on a new partition? [18:04] bullgard6, depends on how much you want to install 10g should be plenty [18:06] escott: Thank you for your advice. [18:07] bullgard6: afaik the minimum is 4.5 gb [18:07] (required by the installer) [18:07] htorque: I will make a new partition of ~10 GB. [18:08] bullgard6: should be enough :) [18:33] Hmm. TO use gnome-tweak-tool it mentions i need to install a 'user theme' extension so this is some pacage in the package manager? searching for it now and not finding it.. [18:53] dr_willis, are you installing gnome-tweak-tool from source or is there a package [18:53] Just installed it from the repos.. reading up on it now. [18:53] managed to extract a new theme to my .themes dir also. :) [18:54] Adwaita theme. [18:55] extracted some shell extensions to the right place also. but they are not showing up in the gnome-tweak-tool either. gnome-shell-frippery-0.2.3.tgz [21:01] 11958 1058e3 781 58639K 5.0G 1.4G 5.0G 1.4G bugabund bugabund 37% chromium-brows [21:01] this is getting preposterous [21:01] Woah. [21:08] BUGabundo: 1.4G - is that enough for all your G+ posts? [21:09] penguin42: it was 3 open tabs [21:09] two gmail, one plus [21:09] on one of my circles [21:09] not much movement there [21:09] toooooo much [21:09] there's a leak somewhere [21:10] trying a clean profile now [21:10] 13354 1329 0 58639K 961.0M 99824K 32K 328K bugabund bugabund 2% chromium-brows [21:10] see the diff? [21:28] Hello! [21:28] I have a question. [21:29] that doesn't sound like a question to me :P [21:33] Is gnome-shell preinstalled in 11.10 now [21:34] LarsT, I think its installable via repos === yofel_ is now known as yofel [21:41] I downloaded oneiric, but the iso is 709MB. [21:42] I got it on my desktop, and I was going to install it on a spare partition on my laptop. any ideas on how I can do it without resorting to a vm? [21:42] Seven_Six_Two, boot the iso using grub2? [21:43] Seven_Six_Two, you mean put the iso on a spare hdd, or try to install with no media at all [21:43] bazhang, so move it from my desktop to my laptop's main ubuntu install and boot from there? I wasn't aware I could do that === __mikem is now known as mmiller235 [21:44] Seven_Six_Two, use a usb stick if it's too large [21:44] ie unetbootin [21:45] Seven_Six_Two, I think I can find a usb stick. the last time I tried that, it wouldn't work...I'll give it a shot [21:45] sometimes takes a couple of "burns" to get it right [21:46] unetbootin is the most failproof one I've used [21:46] is unetbootin == startup disk creator? [21:47] no, thats usb-disk-creator [21:47] !info unetbootin [21:47] unetbootin (source: unetbootin): installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive. In component universe, is optional. Version 549-2 (oneiric), package size 281 kB, installed size 800 kB [21:48] oh ok. That's actually what I tried and failed with [21:50] unfortunately I don't see any option in my laptop's bios to boot from usb [21:50] oh wait. I spoke too soon [21:51] i have options for usb floppy, usb diskette on key, usb hard drive. I know it's not the last option [21:51] I'm guessing diskette on key>? [22:12] Seven_Six_Two: Actually I think usb hard drive should work [22:14] I'll try both. bios is set and laptop is off. It's got to be one of them! [22:14] thanks for the info though, penguin42 [22:19] unetbootin was a lot easier than I thought it would be. thanks all! [22:30] hello [22:30] is 11.10 usuable ? [22:30] LarsTorben: Not too bad at the moment, but it's an Alpha so it might break horribly for you [22:31] yes i do not need the pc as productive it is a home pc [22:31] if i upgrade to final, do i have fully final ? [22:31] probably yes [22:31] LarsTorben: Could you recover if the alpha didn't boot for you? [22:31] If you run alpha and then continue updating as normal until release, then yes, you will have final. [22:31] !final [22:31] If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [22:32] hmm that needs updating [22:32] !+final [22:32] If you install a development version of Ubuntu Natty and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.04 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. [22:32] penguin42: no problem [22:32] hrm, there's a thing for this. one sec. [22:33] LarsTorben: In that case I'd say go for it; the KDE and Gnome versions seem OK with just a few quirks at the moment [22:33] i think it did not make sense to use 11.04 if 11.10 is in the start [22:33] yes thank you [22:33] in order to not trash my 11.04 install on /dev/sdc1 where should I put 11.10 boot loader when I install to sdc8? [22:34] !no, final is If you install a development version of Ubuntu $curDevel and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of $curDevelNum when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [22:34] I'll remember that rww [22:34] !final [22:34] If you install a development version of Ubuntu Oneiric and keep up with package updates, then you will be upgraded to the official release of 11.10 when it comes out. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a terminal. [22:34] ^_^ [22:34] Nice! [22:34] Seven_Six_Two: the bootloader will automatically recognize your other partitions, you can just let grub install [22:34] like normal to sdc [22:35] jbicha, I'm being prompted to choose a partition. they are all listed, including just sdc [22:35] just sdc? ok, thanks [22:36] and it won't overwrite 11.04's grub? [22:36] no, normally grub is installed to the MBR but overwriting 11.04's grub is ok, it will still work [22:39] after i choose my username and pwd, installer says "welcome to 11.04". that's funny [22:41] although top of screen and install icon on desktop say 11.10, and the iso says oneiric [22:42] Seven_Six_Two: bug 794248 [22:42] Launchpad bug 794248 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu Oneiric) "ubiquity-slideshow-lubuntu Welcome slide has version 11.04 on Oneiric" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/794248 [22:43] haha. it's all good, although I cursed for a moment... [22:44] haha, yeah it will be fixed in a bit, 11.10's not even beta yet