[00:47] <nankura> hey guys
[00:48] <nankura> does anyone know how to get alt-tab working?, it works with programs in windowed mode just fine. but when im in a full screen window, i cant alt tab out
[00:58] <jrmy> i actually noticed that myself
[00:59] <jrmy> but i dont know if it was like that before.. perhaps they missed that while coding
[00:59] <nankura> yea
[00:59] <nankura> im new to XFCE , ive started on 4.8, so i have no idea about previous versions
[01:05] <jrmy> its been too long since i used 4.6
[01:11] <nankura> i wonder how compositing was in 4.6
[01:12] <nankura> theres a major issue right now with 4.8 , and not just XFCE, its in KWin, Compiz, Gnome, and some in LXDE, with nvidia and vsync causing screen tearing with compositing
[01:20] <jrmy> the driver for my video card doesnt work it just makes the monitor go into sleep mode
[01:21] <jrmy> but not the same subject just relevant
[01:21] <jrmy> the driver given by ubuntu
[01:21] <jrmy> i'd try and make it work but im sure its more difficult then its worth doing.. and theres no way im writing some code for something or whatever
[01:23] <jrmy> i dont recall if it works before Xorg initiates but uh.. yeah doesnt work
[01:23] <jrmy> so i havent used it.. but sucks i cant use the potential of my 512MB raedon 4350
[01:24] <jrmy> though the card has been faulty before i believe and 'caused my computer to freeze.. so then again i dont know if i want to make the driver work
[01:25] <jrmy> btw how do i see how much memory is allocated for my gpu on my machine?
[03:32] <steven> hello
[03:32] <steven> does anyone know about usb speakers on xubuntu.  It worked good on ubuntu but i just can't seem to get it to work on xubuntu
[03:36] <steven> hello???
[03:50] <Josesordo> :(
[04:24] <jrmy> odd for some reason flash isnt working
[04:24] <jrmy> is there a way i can update my flash plugin or something?
[04:34] <steven> hi
[04:34] <steven> does anyone know about getting my external usb speaker to be recognized
[04:36] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol | steven
[04:37] <steven> hi
[04:37] <steven> i saw you flashing but cant hear u
[04:37] <well_laid_lawn> it's irc - you aren't meant to here me ...
[04:37] <steven> it worked in ubuntu, but not in xubuntu
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> they have the same base
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> so try pavucontrol
[04:38] <steven> where is that
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> !info pavucontrol | steven
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> in the universe repo
[04:38] <well_laid_lawn> !repo
[04:38] <steven> is that something i download?
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> yeppers
[04:39] <steven> is it in software center?
[04:39] <well_laid_lawn> should be
[04:39] <steven> brb.. let me look
[04:40] <steven> ok. downloading it right now
[04:41] <steven> i don't see why i need this in xubuntu when ubuntu worked fine
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> different sound stuff interface
[04:42] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu uses lighter apps
[04:43] <well_laid_lawn> and less resources mostly
[04:43] <steven> ok. let me go back to  you tube and play something. .brb
[04:46] <steven> thanks...i got it
[04:46] <steven> fooled around a bit
[04:46] <steven> but got it
[04:47] <steven> ubuntu is much easier to get it to work. u don't need to download anything extra.. just fool around with the preferences
[04:48] <steven> i think the designers should be aware that usb speakers are taking off.. and they should try and design it easier like ubuntu
[05:03] <well_laid_lawn> steven: then it would just be ubuntu - xubuntu requires a little effort
[05:03] <well_laid_lawn> only a little
[05:04] <steven> hi sorry i was trying this out.. it works good
[05:04] <steven> only thing i miss is my volume control on my keyboard don't work
[05:04] <steven> it shows the volume moving up and down. but nothing happens
[05:05] <steven> no change in volume at least on the keyboard
[05:05] <steven> in ubuntu it was linked to the keyboard automatically
[05:05] <well_laid_lawn> in xubuntu you'll need to set up some keyboard shortcuts yourself
[05:05] <well_laid_lawn> especially to alternate sound devices
[05:06] <steven> oh i c.. cuz this keyboard has a few buttons built in for the sound
[05:06] <steven> pictures of increase sound and decrease sound above the funtion keys..
[05:06] <well_laid_lawn> it is spelt cause
[05:06] <well_laid_lawn> or because
[05:06] <steven> where do i go to set up these short cuts
[05:07] <well_laid_lawn> in the menu under system is lots of stuff you should check
[05:09] <steven> thanks. it is 1:09. .probably tomorrow i will do it
[05:10] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[05:10] <steven> i am using a relatively new computer.. but it is only an atom processor
[05:11] <jrmy> which is better a p3 or an atom?
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> should be fine
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> depends on what you do with it
[05:11] <jrmy> ok which has a higher clock rate?
[05:11] <well_laid_lawn> atom processors are limited somewhat
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> pentium 3's come in different clock rates and generally the atoms are 1.6 Ghz
[05:12] <well_laid_lawn> but the atoms are like half a cpu
[09:57] <LarsTorben> Hello
[09:57] <LarsTorben> i have a question
[09:57] <LarsTorben> where is xubuntu 10.04.3
[10:18] <ionite> how do i install pulse audio? what's the command to type?
[10:18] <knome> ionite, pulseaudio is installed by default.
[10:18] <knome> ionite, if you have removed it 'sudo apt-get install pulseaudio'
[10:22] <ionite> knome: i'm still having promblems with my audio
[10:46] <ionite> my volume control applet is gone! how can i restore it back? the panel add items doesn't have any selections of it.
[10:49] <TheSheep> it's called 'mixer'
[10:49] <TheSheep> should be there
[12:24] <nankura> hey guys, im trying to install the new nouveau driver , i heard its got minimal 3D support and id love to give it a test run, so i go to the package manager and select the libgl-dri-expiremental and install the xorg nv driver but yet it doesnt show up in jockey. so im confused on what im doing wrong
[14:03] <ionite> how can i detect my mp3 player plugged to USB?
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> Hey folks guess who is now officially an xubuntu user?
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> I thought the GUI would be harder to adjust to from gnome than it actually was..
[14:13] <ChristopherNG> only thing i spent a few seconds trying to find was the keyboard layouts
[14:14] <ionite> ChristopherNG: i am but XFCE not as pretty as gnome but faster
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> Yeah its not as "pretty" to be honest the font is large and abit clumsy
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> ive just changed it to a smaller size
[14:15] <ChristopherNG> also i didnt touch xchat, went straight for irssi
[14:17] <ChristopherNG> everything is fine, but just one thing, i cant find.... a shortcut to the home directory? ah waits its in the dock at the bottom
[14:18] <madnick> Also on the desktop
[14:18] <madnick> And in assecories -> file manager
[14:18] <ChristopherNG> yeah madnick, its good and its fast, just that large driod font had to go....
[14:19] <ChristopherNG> also its strange having terminals go upto the top bar when you minimize
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> sorry folks im like a kid in a candy store
[14:20] <ChristopherNG> hehe
[14:34] <ChristopherNG> ok that screen saver got to go! lol!
[14:35] <ChristopherNG> When i booted up i didnt see the normal lines and lines of code, maybe i missed it or does xubuntu not show it?
[14:36] <ChristopherNG> also for some reason when i did "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" to watch flash videos, it asks me if i really want to install 200mb, the plugin itself is normally only 200 kb!
[14:36] <ChristopherNG> anyone else get that?
[14:37] <ChristopherNG> Its strange because i believe xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repository but it looked like xubuntu wanted to install some extra stuff.
[14:41] <ChristopherNG> ok i cant find a plugin for flash on the 64bit architecture
[14:42] <ChristopherNG> i even tried a .rpm and tried to make it into a .deb using alien
[14:43] <beardygnome> ChristopherNG: I don't think adobe produce a 64bit plugin....
[14:43] <ChristopherNG> anyone here using the 11.04 version of xubuntu with a 64bit processor and iso that has flash working?
[14:43] <ChristopherNG> beardygnome: I wasnt sure either!
[14:44] <ChristopherNG> Oh well i guess im going to have to go back to using a 32bit iso for a 64bit processor...
[14:44] <ChristopherNG> Adobe ****
[14:48] <nankura> on 11.04?
[14:48] <nankura> you should be able to just install 32bit libs with ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:48] <nankura> which comes with the libs and flash
[14:48] <ChristopherNG> nankura: let me give it ago
[14:49] <ChristopherNG> omg! 400 mbs! thats more than half the size of the iso
[14:50] <ChristopherNG> i didnt make much space on this install, its a test/dry run before i do it properly, i was abit impatient and wanted to try xubuntu
[14:51] <ChristopherNG> what i should have done was tried it on the 32 bit iso
[14:51] <ChristopherNG> but because i have a 64bit processor thought i would be really controversial and daring and go for the 64bit iso
[14:52] <ChristopherNG> what i really like is that option "open terminal here"
[14:52] <nankura> hm i find that very strange
[14:53] <nankura> i used 64bit Kubuntu ( tho im on 32bit xubuntu right now ) on 64bit kubuntu all i did was download a small ubuntu extra's and everything worked
[14:53] <beardygnome> ChristopherNG: you should try xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:53] <ChristopherNG> whats strange? adobe does not make a flashplugin for 64bit apparently..
[14:53] <nankura> yea
[14:53] <nankura> try the xubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:53] <ChristopherNG> yeah almost 400mbs
[14:54] <nankura> well they dont need to, with 32bit libs programs are compatable/use-able the way they are
[14:54] <madnick> whats wrong with sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree directly after an install?
[14:54] <madnick> It works fine
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> its cool folks, when i go back to a 32bit iso this will all be fixed
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> madnick: it doesnt work for 64bit isos and processors
[14:54] <madnick> yes it does
[14:54] <ChristopherNG> you sure?
[14:54] <madnick> yes
[14:55] <nankura> yea it does dude
[14:55] <nankura> i can vouch
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> how big was the download?
[14:55] <nankura> ive used 64bit ubuntu/kubuntu/mint
[14:55] <nankura> and usually thats all you need
[14:55] <madnick> I dont remember
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> ok just incase im reading this wrong.....
[14:55] <madnick> not 400mb...
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> kk
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> -------
[14:55] <nankura> yea 400MB is abit weird
[14:55] <ChristopherNG> let me show you something
[14:56] <ChristopherNG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/659937/
[14:57] <ChristopherNG> For some reason its also getting everything else and the kitchen sink
[14:57] <ChristopherNG> 213mbs for a flash plugin?
[14:57] <madnick> on disk yes..
[14:57] <madnick> but only 65MB
[14:57] <madnick> To download
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> Thats still massive
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> for a plugin
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> anyway....
[14:58] <ChristopherNG> you sure that "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" also works with the 64bit?
[14:59] <ChristopherNG> let me try it, to hell with this..
[14:59] <nankura> ..........
[14:59] <knome> ChristopherNG, yes.
[14:59] <nankura> 256MB
[14:59] <nankura> are you sure you installed xubuntu?
[14:59] <knome> !language | ChristopherNG
[14:59] <nankura> or some sort of netinstall image i havnt heard of?
[14:59] <madnick> nankura: i gets libc for i386
[14:59] <knome> apparently the flashplugin needs some 32-bit libs now.
[14:59] <nankura> i have never with any ubuntu install had to download 213MB for a flashplugin with 64 bit
[14:59] <nankura> not once :3
[14:59] <ChristopherNG> nankura: i havent installed im running it on a live usb
[15:00] <nankura> that might be why
[15:00] <nankura> is the usb the full image?
[15:00] <ChristopherNG> yes
[15:00] <nankura> idk
[15:00] <nankura> but i find it so odd the filesizes
[15:00] <ChristopherNG> im downloading the 60mbs
[15:00] <nankura> ive used every ubuntu derive 64bit and never once had to download a file that big for flash
[15:01] <ChristopherNG> ok its done let me try it out
[15:02] <ChristopherNG> yeah it works now, im watching taylor swift
[15:02] <ChristopherNG> but 60mbs is alot for a plugin?
[15:03] <ChristopherNG> must be because of the 64 bit or something
[15:04] <ChristopherNG> call me paranoid but is there any way someone could tamper with an iso and put it up with a key logger or something...
[15:04] <ChristopherNG> even if i downloaded from one of the links from xubuntu itself?
[15:05] <ChristopherNG> i got this iso from place in russia
[15:05] <ChristopherNG> lol
[15:06] <xubuntu534> good afternoon
[15:07] <ChristopherNG> Hey vincentvdbergh
[15:08] <vincentvdbergh> I am installing Xubuntu 11.04 on the 10th computer at my place :P
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> ok folks, im certain that the problem with the large plugins is down to the 64bit iso and processor...
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> the 32 bit plugins are much much smaller
[15:08] <ChristopherNG> vincentvdbergh: are you installing the 64bit or 32bit iso?
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> 64 bit
[15:09] <ChristopherNG> are the flash plugins for the 64bit much larger than the 32bit or should they be the same size?
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> It works like a charme on the first 9 computers i installed it on
[15:09] <vincentvdbergh> they should be about the same size
[15:10] <ChristopherNG> well i got 60mb for a flash plugin
[15:10] <vincentvdbergh> last time i checked
[15:10] <ChristopherNG> it should be around 3mbs or something
[15:10] <vincentvdbergh> I usually install flash via the FLASH-AID addon in firefox
[15:11] <ChristopherNG> you mean that thing "install missing plugins?"
[15:11] <vincentvdbergh> no
[15:11] <vincentvdbergh> the flash-aid addon is the fastest way to install flash on ubuntu and its derivatives.
[15:11] <ChristopherNG> yeah ive found it now
[15:12] <vincentvdbergh> only on debian it will not work since you need to be root to run it on debian
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> Flash-Aid has been successfully installed! However, flash plugin installation is not complete yet.
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> You need to execute one of the installation methods from the extension menu, added to the navigation toolbar. Since this is the first time you run Flash-Aid, is recommended that you use the Wizard Mode.
[15:13] <vincentvdbergh> yes
[15:13] <ChristopherNG> and Taylor Swift is back!
[15:15] <vincentvdbergh> good to read
[15:16] <vincentvdbergh> installation almost completed 80% already
[15:16] <vincentvdbergh> I love 8 Gb RAM and a 64 Gb SSD drive
[15:28] <ChristopherNG> this is my first time using xfce, why is this gui not as popular as kde, or gnome? I mean its what im looking for because i personally dont like kde and i didnt want to go to unity so came to xubuntu
[15:35] <ChristopherNG> bbl
[16:19] <Pres-Gas> Hey, all.  I want to hide the buttons for shutdown and restart in the xfce4-session-logout.  I see docs on how to enable hibernate and suspend (http://wiki.xfce.org/settings4.6#session), but how can I hide shutdown and restart?
[16:20] <Pres-Gas> I am not even sure the session manager settings are the way to go for Xubu.  Any advice?
[18:58] <Sysi> Pres-Gas: I guess that happens in a same place as enabling suspend/hibernate but I'm not sure if those options have been removed when moving out of HAL
[19:56] <Pres-Gas> Sysi, I thought so too, but am not seeing a proper property name documented anyware.  Wondering if resorting to "strings" would help or what.
[19:58] <Sysi> why are you willing to remove those options anyway?
[20:05] <Pres-Gas> To prevent accidental shuttiing down.  I can always sudo shutdown, etc.
[20:05] <Pres-Gas> Family computer...
[20:53] <ChristopherNG> hey folks
[20:54] <ChristopherNG> has there ever been a case of someone messing with the xubuntu isos?
[20:55] <pleia2> "messing with"?
[20:55] <pleia2> they're generated with and hosted with all the ubuntu isos, there certainly have been mistakes by developers (just like every project) but never anything malicious
[20:55] <ChristopherNG> yeah im actually using xubuntu now
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> i was worried because i downloaded the iso from a server in russia some russian tampered with the iso and included like a key logger or something.
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> I think im just paranoide, i used the links from the official xubuntu site.
[20:56] <pleia2> you probably want to use approved mirrors
[20:56] <ChristopherNG> yaeh well this mirror was from the xubuntu site
[20:57] <pleia2> and there was a keylogger?
[20:57] <ChristopherNG> no i think im just paranoid
[20:57] <pleia2> oh :)
[20:57] <pleia2> well you can always grab the official md5 from ubuntu.com and compare it against whatever iso you download
[20:57] <pleia2> (you should do that anyway)
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: i noticed when i booted xubuntu up that there is not the customary lines and lines of code you normally get during start up does xubuntu hide it?
[20:58] <pleia2> you should get a xubuntu splash screen
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: you mean get the md5 and do diff between that and the xubuntu iso?
[20:58] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: yeah it looks like a bios "try xubuntu without installing, install etc..."?
[20:59] <ChristopherNG> language select
[21:00] <pleia2> it's not a diff, you do: md5sum xubuntu-blahversion.iso
[21:00] <pleia2> and then compare that to the number in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/MD5SUMS
[21:00] <pleia2> elizabeth@r2d2:/data/software/ubuntu$ md5sum xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:00] <pleia2> f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f  xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:01] <pleia2> yay that matches: f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[21:01] <pleia2> in http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/MD5SUMS
[21:01] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: that is the best way to check if an iso has been corrupted right?
[21:01] <pleia2> yes
[21:01] <pleia2> you should always do it on isos you download
[21:01] <ChristopherNG> pleia2: thats very handy thanks
[21:01] <pleia2> even if the server isn't tampered with, sometimes there are hiccups in downloads that cause corruption, etc
[21:02] <ChristopherNG> this is just a test boot before i install properly..
[21:02] <ChristopherNG> i was really impatient and wanted to get into xubuntu straight away..
[21:03] <ChristopherNG> i was saying earlier, first thing i did was installed irssi, i didnt touch xchat..
[21:03] <ChristopherNG> also the found was made smaller, it was way too big
[21:04] <ChristopherNG> font*
[21:04] <pleia2> yeah, I have young eyes, all my fonts are crazy small too ;)
[21:04] <ChristopherNG> i actually installed the 64bit iso because i have a 64bit processor, ive found that packages tend to be larger for the  64 bit ie flashplugin was 60mbs..
[21:05] <pleia2> yeah
[21:05] <ChristopherNG> so you noticed that aswell? because i was going crazy, previously i was actually just using a 32bit iso on a 64bit processor..
[21:05] <ChristopherNG> actually my eyes are not young i wear glasses but the size of the font that came as started was for like someone who is blind.
[21:07] <ChristopherNG> also i think ive found everything, the settings manager, synpatic (multiverse and universe) were switched on as standard, all the software from the repositories was available, i couldnt find the home folder from the gui until i noticed its in that nice dock at the bottom.
[21:07] <ChristopherNG> Its very, very similar to GNOME and yes its faster so thats good.
[21:19] <lighta> hey how can I exclude something ? I want to do a recursive search : find ./src/ -print | xargs egrep --color "INVALID_TIMER"
[21:28] <jrmy> ok so any of you know why flash might not be working?
[21:28] <Sysi> you haven't installed flashplugin?
[21:29] <jrmy> have
[21:30] <Sysi> how it isn't working?
[21:30] <jrmy> what?
[21:30] <Sysi> flash
[21:31] <Sysi> sites say you should get flash, red screen on youtube, grey boxes?
[21:31] <jrmy> your sentence structure confused me.. but yeah i dont know why its not working
[21:31] <jrmy> i get black screens
[21:32] <Sysi> check that you don't have gnash or swfdec installed
[21:32] <jrmy> hmm i guess its just that link i tried
[21:32] <Sysi> 64bit?
[21:32] <jrmy> i think i might have both
[21:32] <jrmy> i have 32 bit
[21:33] <jrmy> do i want them uninstalled?
[21:34] <Sysi> yes, open flash-alternatives are messing with adobe plugin
[21:35] <jrmy> ok i think i removed the open flash stuff
[21:36] <jrmy> where would i find swfdec?
[21:36] <jrmy> if it was installed
[21:37] <Sysi> firefox plugin list
[21:39] <jrmy> ok looks like its working now
[21:39] <jrmy> thanks
[21:56] <ChristopherNG> Xfce wont have a "unity" equivalent right?
[21:56] <Sysi> wouldn't really be xfce after that
[21:57] <ChristopherNG> I came to xbuntu specifically to avoid unity and i got bored of the lts version and given the next release from ubuntu wont have the classic gnome option.
[21:57] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: Yeah well thats what i was hoping.
[21:58] <ChristopherNG> im trying to see when the next xfce release is coming out
[21:58] <ChristopherNG> apparently 4.8 been around for 6 months
[22:00] <Sysi> sometime next year afaik
[22:00] <ChristopherNG> some was saying earlier get the ubuntu-restricted-extras, then someone says get the xubuntu-restricted-extras, either should work fine though right?
[22:00] <ChristopherNG> since they are both the same OS with different GUIs
[22:00] <Sysi> I'm not sure what they're containing, but mostly either one works
[22:01] <knome> with xubuntu, you should use the xubuntu-* package
[22:04] <ChristopherNG> yeah
[22:04] <ChristopherNG> i cant get compiz working with xubuntu, anyone else had a problem with compiz?
[22:04] <Sysi> !emerald
[22:05] <Sysi> gtk-window-decorator might work, or there's some fix at the ubuntuforums
[22:05] <ChristopherNG> but compiz for xubuntu just wont work for anyone?
[22:05] <ChristopherNG> hmm kk, its not a biggie
[22:06] <Sysi> otherly, compiz should work when you get window borders to be drawn
[22:06] <ChristopherNG> gtk-window-dec never heard of that thing
[22:07] <ChristopherNG> i wanted to try xubuntu with the compiz cube option
[22:14] <ChristopherNG> dang! pleia2 you still there?
[22:15] <knome> left an hour ago
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> can you give me the command m5cat or whatever its called to check isos...
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> knome: k thanks
[22:15] <knome> md5sum
[22:15] <ChristopherNG> thanks!
[22:15] <jrmy> lol
[22:16] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: i got this iso from a server in russia just want to double check its not been tampered with lol
[22:17] <jrmy> should remember that theres certain things you can do to test files and programs in linux
[22:17] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: yeah i never had to use it before tbh
[22:17] <jrmy> btw whats the command to check my systems hardware?
[22:17] <knome> jrmy, lshw
[22:17] <jrmy> oh yeah
[22:18] <knome> "LiSt HardWare"
[22:18] <jrmy> yeah, just forgot seeing as its been a year since ive used a linux OS
[22:19] <ChristopherNG> what i really, really, really, hate and dislike and find tricky is compiling from source in .tar.gz file.
[22:19] <knome> mm-hmm, but remembering the "dissembled" format helps remembering the command too :)
[22:19] <ChristopherNG> sometimes you have to because its not in the repositories or whatever.
[22:20] <knome> ChristopherNG, there are also PPA's
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> knome: oh yeah ppas are nice and easy
[22:20] <jrmy> knome: hopefully i can remember this time.. would be about time i start remembering commands
[22:20] <knome> jrmy, mmh, there are some cheatsheets too
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> knome: you think that .tar.gz files are getting less and less popular now?
[22:20] <Sysi> no, just less needed
[22:20] <knome> ChristopherNG, not really.
[22:20] <ChristopherNG> .tar = tape archive file, even the name extension sounds archaic
[22:21] <jrmy> heh
[22:21] <Sysi> tar xzvf app.tar.gz ; cd app/ ; make ; sudo make install
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: its not always that simple
[22:21] <knome> tar xzibit
[22:21] <Sysi> ChristopherNG: those cases really suck
[22:21] <Sysi> symlinking and stuff
[22:21] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: yeah and you have to read a manual to get something installed..
[22:22] <knome> ChristopherNG, if it's not on the repo and not on any PPA, it's probably something you need a manual for anyway :P :P
[22:22] <ChristopherNG> knome: yeah thats true lol
[22:22] <Sysi> or there's at least alternative more easily accessible
[22:23] <ChristopherNG> I was wanting to get teamspeak 3 but only ts 2 is in the repositories, now when you go to get it for linux from the teamspeak site its a .run file, which i think is some kind of binary installer..
[22:23] <knome> ChristopherNG, yup, sounds like it.
[22:23] <Sysi> or just a script or self-extracting tarball/zip
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> .tar.gz, .rpm, .deb, .run, .dz2 etc etc
[22:24] <knome> something self-explosive anyway :P
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> alot of file extensions out there
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> for installation
[22:24] <Sysi> teamspeak is not OSS, you's like mumble
[22:24] <jrmy> i dont know how to properly install things from tar or any of the others
[22:25] <knome> it's important to remember that, even if it's in most cases true, the file extension doesn't always tell what the file actually is
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> jrmy: thankfully ubuntu has almost everything in the repositories and the .tar.gz cases are rare.
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> dependency hell!
[22:25] <knome> mostly
[22:26] <Sysi> knome: you don't dare to run that .txt huh? definitely you don't dare to try running it as root
[22:26] <knome> :P
[22:26] <ChristopherNG> yeah thats one thing that worries me, anyone can get like a keylogger and use the mv keylogger textfile.txt and a newer user probably wont know...
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ok well my next project is getting better at the command line for networking.
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ive been avoiding that like the plague
[22:28] <ChristopherNG> ifconfig, wlan0, mon0 et al
[22:29] <knome> if it ain't broken, don't fix it
[22:30] <Sysi> networking stuff is hard.. (IMHO)
[22:30] <ChristopherNG> its hard as it, on the command line will be harder i guess.
[22:32] <Sysi> it really gets hard after "sudo dhclient && sudo ifconfig eth0 up"
[22:34] <ChristopherNG> Sysi: yeah tell me about it.
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> hey folks, how hard is it to setup a virtual box within xubuntu?
[23:02] <ChristopherNG> ive not actually done that, i was going try and do a vm for xubuntu in ubuntu but went for a usb boot instead.
[23:03] <ChristopherNG> not used virtual box before
[23:04] <ChristopherNG> oh nice it come ins a .deb
[23:05] <Sysi> in repositories too
[23:05] <ChristopherNG> yeah the only thing that is kind of preventing me from doing it atm is the file space needed..
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> i will need to wait until tomorrow when i can do everything properly.
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> i was just impatient and wanted to start playing around with xubuntu today and didnt bother with partitions etc
[23:06] <ChristopherNG> Hard disk space. While VirtualBox itself is very lean (a typical installation will only need about 30 MB of hard disk space), the virtual machines will require fairly huge files on disk to represent their own hard disk storage. So, to install Windows XP, for example, you will need a file that will easily grow to several GB in size.
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> Will have to wait until tomorrow
[23:07] <ChristopherNG> im still like a kid in a candy store looking around xfce
[23:24] <ChristopherNG> anyone know if linux has an eqivalent of "net send"?
[23:30] <ChristopherNG> ok folks good night
[23:43] <jrmy> if i have a 64 bit cpu does that mean i can have a 64bit OS?
[23:43] <knome> yes
[23:43] <jrmy> any difference with xubuntu if i have 64bit?
[23:44] <knome> where possible, the OS will use the 64-bit advancements over 32-bit stuff
[23:44] <jrmy> so then perhaps faster in some areas?
[23:44] <knome> yes
[23:45] <TheSheep> and slower in others
[23:45] <jrmy> is there a way to upgrade to 64 bit if i have 32bit right now?
[23:46] <knome> no
[23:46] <knome> only a clean install will do
[23:46] <jrmy> k