KM0201 | riddle me this: My NAS, I can access the samba share no problem at all. I can reboot the NAS 50x, no problem... Give it a second, and I can get right back on my shares... the second I reboot my Laptop (running lubuntu 11.04).. i can't access the share... i can browse to it, then I get failed to retrieve list from server, specified location is not mounted, but when i ssh my server, the location is mounted | 01:25 |
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KM0201 | nobody? | 01:32 |
KM0201 | strangest thing ever, i know | 01:32 |
KM0201 | surely Unit193 or bioterror has an idea.. :0 | 01:32 |
jmarsden | KM0201: Can you access the shares using smbclient from the command line, instead of all the GUI stuff? if not, what error(s) does it output? | 01:46 |
KM0201 | jmarsden: mysteriously, after like 20min, it just came online. | 01:46 |
KM0201 | go figure. | 01:46 |
KM0201 | i'm trying to figure out whats going on, cuz that doesn't make sense. | 01:47 |
jmarsden | If the browse master for a windows workgroup is a Windows machine, it can take 15 mins or so to sync up... not sure if the NAS would act as a browse master or if Lubuntu is doing that. | 01:47 |
KM0201 | i know the server is online, cuz i can ping it, ssh it, etc.. but i just can't access the share. | 01:47 |
jmarsden | Troubeshoot windows name resolution and the whoe SMb browsing stuff. | 01:48 |
jmarsden | s/whoe/whole/ | 01:48 |
KM0201 | Connection to host failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME) -- but i can browse the share right now.. and i just ran that command. | 01:49 |
KM0201 | lol | 01:49 |
jmarsden | "bad network name"... yup. SMB name service and browse lists... | 01:49 |
KM0201 | smb name service? | 01:50 |
jmarsden | I'm not likely to troubleshoot that stuff for you on IRC for fun... I work with that stuff in the week :) | 01:50 |
jmarsden | netbios names of machines, etc. WINS or the broadcase name resolution or whatever you have set up. | 01:51 |
KM0201 | , i understand | 01:51 |
KM0201 | just doesn;'t make sense though | 01:52 |
KM0201 | jmarsden: the output of /usr/bin/smbclient -L (ipaddress) gives me this.. session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE but i can browse/use the share right now | 01:53 |
jmarsden | KM0201: The NAS may be set to now allow anonymous enumeration of shares... lots more to try, like -W workgroupname and -U and so forth... | 01:55 |
jmarsden | s/to now allow/to not allow/ | 01:55 |
jmarsden | man smbclient, and read the Samba docs for a while... | 01:55 |
KM0201 | hmm | 01:55 |
KM0201 | hmm, interesting you say that. | 01:57 |
KM0201 | brb | 01:57 |
KM0201 | hmm jmarsden you're on to something htere, i had guest said to "yes" in smb.conf when i changed that to NO, and required a username/password, it worked | 02:08 |
jmarsden | KM0201: I'm in #ubuntu-server too :) | 02:08 |
KM0201 | yeah, i didn't know that.. sorrry.. :) | 02:08 |
jmarsden | if I am around, I am pretty much always in #ubuntu-server. I've been involved there way longer than I have been involved with Lubuntu. | 02:09 |
Unit193 | I would guess because Lubuntu hasn't been here as long as ubuntu-server ;) | 02:09 |
jmarsden | Well, partly. I wasn't involved with Lubuntu when it started, either... | 02:10 |
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KM0201 | this is just perplexing | 02:15 |
zachleigh | hi everyone....i have a crash problem and im wondering if their is a fix | 05:15 |
jmarsden | zachleigh: You'll need to provide a lot more details than that before anyone can do more than 'wonder' with you... :) | 05:17 |
zachleigh | every time i select the wallpaper mode "fill with background color only" x crashes | 05:17 |
zachleigh | ive triggered it with apport on but it doesnt seem to be catching it] | 05:18 |
jmarsden | zachleigh: Ah, known issue in the utility for setting that. You can create a wallpaper with one color and use that as a slightly silly workaround... | 05:18 |
zachleigh | ok....just wondering if it was known | 05:19 |
zachleigh | thanks | 05:19 |
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silverarrow | hi | 11:47 |
silverarrow | I was forced to reinstall lubuntu | 11:47 |
silverarrow | I chose lubuntu over windows 7 | 11:47 |
silverarrow | and xp | 11:48 |
silverarrow | I'm not shore how smart that is | 11:48 |
silverarrow | anyone using lubuntu regularly ? | 11:48 |
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ubuntu | hi] | 13:22 |
DeadEnd | Any problems if I copied /home from Ubuntu 10.04 to a fresh Lubuntu 11.04 install | 13:24 |
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silverarrow | hi | 13:25 |
silverarrow | When hard drive seems to have broken down, what to do in a crisis? | 13:26 |
silverarrow | I have an external harddrive USB connected | 13:26 |
IAmNotThatGuy | DeadEnd, contents of the home wont affect if you didn't copy the hidden files too | 13:26 |
IAmNotThatGuy | silverarrow, please explain further | 13:27 |
DeadEnd | IAmNotThatGuy: Yup I did include .hidden so I guess I will carry over a lot of crud | 13:27 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: first boot on a liveCD/USB to be cetain to have a stable systemem | 13:27 |
DeadEnd | But will it break anything | 13:27 |
silverarrow | I am on a live lubuntu CD now | 13:27 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: then make a SMART diagnostic of your disk | 13:27 |
* silverarrow googeling SMART diagnostic | 13:28 | |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: then if nothing appeared, a fsck of the different partitions | 13:28 |
silverarrow | I did a reinstall of lubutu, and booting went wrong, | 13:28 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: before that, try to mount your disk and verify that every data on the disk has been backuped | 13:29 |
silverarrow | The harddrive is fairly new; I think I need to have it checked before I go bac k to the store and complain | 13:29 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: what makes you think it was the drive then ? | 13:30 |
silverarrow | someone told me it seemed like hard drive failiure | 13:30 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: what did you mean when you said "booting went wrong" | 13:31 |
silverarrow | at first when hard drive was all new, lubuntu installed fine, no problem, it worked fine for about two months | 13:31 |
silverarrow | then I get these weird hang ups, booting begins to get slower | 13:32 |
silverarrow | suddenly booting fails | 13:32 |
silverarrow | I get "no hard drive found" " " no operative system found" | 13:32 |
silverarrow | then I get annoyed | 13:33 |
avelldiroll | ok | 13:33 |
avelldiroll | "two months" means it is not a new drive anymore | 13:33 |
silverarrow | then today I did a reinstallation of lubutu, it failed, grub fuzz | 13:33 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: is everydata on this disk backuped elsewhere ? | 13:33 |
silverarrow | I see, however there is a one year warranty | 13:34 |
silverarrow | yes, at least the important stuff | 13:34 |
avelldiroll | ok so we will cut the chase, download the UBCD, boot with it, select the diagnostic tools ad hoc for your disk and check the disk with the manufacturer tool | 13:35 |
avelldiroll | if the diagnostic reveals a failed disk, ask for a refund/exchange should not be a problem | 13:36 |
avelldiroll | silverarrow: UBCD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com | 13:36 |
silverarrow | thanks | 13:36 |
semitones | hey you guys | 16:22 |
KM0201 | sup | 16:22 |
semitones | i know I should know this by now, but if I want to put ndiswrapper on a computer with no internet | 16:22 |
semitones | where can I download the deb files | 16:23 |
KM0201 | semitones: i've never used ndiswrapper, but if i recall, ubuntu puts them on the live cd (so all you need, is the live cd, and the drivers you need) | 16:23 |
semitones | nevermind I found them here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing Packages (With Internet access on another computer) | 16:23 |
semitones | I don't have a live cd | 16:24 |
KM0201 | oh ok. | 16:24 |
semitones | but copying those on usb should be easier anyway | 16:24 |
KM0201 | well, download one.. :) | 16:24 |
KM0201 | eh, maybe. | 16:24 |
semitones | I've been booting from usb a lot these days | 16:24 |
KM0201 | well, live cd/live usb.. same thing | 16:24 |
semitones | less waste :P | 16:24 |
KM0201 | those .deb files are on the "live ISO" | 16:24 |
Numn | why cant i rename things in the menu? | 21:37 |
bioterror | becouse menu reads information from /usr/share/applications/ | 21:38 |
Numn | so if i want to rename things in the menu but not one the original files? | 21:40 |
bioterror | you have to modify .desktop file | 21:40 |
bioterror | or create another one | 21:40 |
Numn | how do i do thaT? | 21:41 |
bioterror | http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ | 21:44 |
KM0201 | menu editing, is one thing i think lxde could do a little better on | 21:54 |
Numn | why cant i delete xpad and its telling me that lubuntu-desktop is being deleted too? | 22:07 |
KM0201 | Numn: lubuntu-desktop is likely a meta package (at least it is in ubuntu)... so it's not really gonna uninstall lubuntu-desktop | 22:08 |
KM0201 | Numn: why don't you just uninstall xpad? (or do you just not want it in the menu?) | 22:09 |
Numn | i dont need it :) | 22:09 |
KM0201 | so ust uninstall it.. | 22:09 |
KM0201 | sudo apt-get autoremove xpad | 22:09 |
Numn | yea, but its keep telling me its going to be deleted? | 22:10 |
KM0201 | whats gonna be deleted? i just uninstalled xpad, and it said nothing about lubuntu-desktop | 22:10 |
KM0201 | Numn: http://pastebin.com/2mYHM0fq | 22:10 |
Numn | kind of wierd cus i tried deleting it in synaptic and its telling me that i told you :) | 22:12 |
Numn | not purge? | 22:13 |
Numn | i got this | 22:14 |
Numn | apt-clone archdetect-deb btrfs-tools cryptsetup dmraid dpkg-repack hwdata | 22:14 |
Numn | libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcheese-gtk18 libdebconfclient0 | 22:14 |
Numn | libdebian-installer4 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a | 22:14 |
Numn | libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libpangomm-1.4-1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a | 22:14 |
Numn | localechooser-data lubuntu-desktop ndiswrapper-common python-pyicu rdate | 22:14 |
Numn | reiserfsprogs xpad | 22:14 |
KM0201 | purging it, doesn't remove the program | 22:15 |
KM0201 | it purges its settings (to my knowledge) | 22:15 |
KM0201 | Numn: do this, type "sudo apt-get remove xpad" in a terminal, then pastebin exactly what the terminal says | 22:16 |
KM0201 | just pastebin the whole terminal | 22:17 |
Numn | yea, then i want deleting something i wont settning for it | 22:17 |
KM0201 | don't paste it all here. | 22:17 |
KM0201 | no..because you have to confirm the remove with "Y".. if you don't hit y, it's not gonna uninstall | 22:17 |
Numn | are they not any pastebin in ubuntu? | 22:17 |
KM0201 | just use pastebin.com.. for cryin out loud. | 22:17 |
Numn | haha | 22:17 |
Numn | ok | 22:17 |
Numn | i dont want to fuck up my computer | 22:20 |
KM0201 | watch your language.. you're not gonna screw up anything, if you don't actually uninstall it. | 22:21 |
KM0201 | it won't uninstall, unless you hit Y | 22:21 |
KM0201 | there's no way, lubuntu-desktop, depends on xpad... it's just completely ridiculous. | 22:21 |
KM0201 | i just uninstalled xpad, and nothing at all came up about lubuntu-desktop | 22:21 |
Numn | idk. but its telling its removes too.. | 22:22 |
Unit193 | It's fine to remove lubuntu-desktop, it's just for installing Lubuntu and if it's gone that's ok | 22:22 |
Unit193 | I don't have it anymore | 22:22 |
KM0201 | that's what i've been trying to tell him. | 22:22 |
KM0201 | !info lubuntu-desktop | 22:23 |
KM0201 | hmm | 22:23 |
Unit193 | !metapackage | 22:23 |
ubot5 | lubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.24 (natty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel) | 22:23 |
ubot5 | A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. | 22:23 |
KM0201 | eh, i was close.. :) | 22:23 |
Unit193 | sudo apt-get purge will uninstall | 22:23 |
KM0201 | will it? i thought it just removed configurations | 22:24 |
Unit193 | Nope, I use it to remove unwanted programs | 22:25 |
KM0201 | hmm | 22:25 |
Unit193 | man apt-get and go down to purge | 22:25 |
Unit193 | "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)." | 22:26 |
KM0201 | Unit193: hmm, i'll have to remember that | 22:26 |
Numn | hehe sad i cant delete a single app :( | 22:26 |
KM0201 | Numn: whats sad, is you can, you just won't | 22:27 |
Numn | cus i wont unistall anything the system rely on | 22:28 |
Numn | its like remove somethhing from a reicipe | 22:28 |
KM0201 | Numn: you're not removing anything the system relies on... if the system still relied on something, it would not uninstall it | 22:28 |
KM0201 | Numn: that's a horrid analogy | 22:29 |
Unit193 | KM0201: Have him run the uninstall with --no-act so it WON'T uninstall ANYTHING | 22:29 |
KM0201 | Unit193: he won't even use a pastebin the way i told him | 22:29 |
Unit193 | And just pastebin it | 22:29 |
KM0201 | Unit193: not wasting my time on it anymore, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink | 22:29 |
KM0201 | Numn: my point... http://pastebin.com/zBHZPYhf | 22:30 |
Numn | KM0201: ok, 1 time i deleted something i couldnt use ubuntu later on happen for me | 22:30 |
KM0201 | read it, understand it | 22:30 |
KM0201 | Numn: i have a hard time believing that, but.. whatever | 22:30 |
Numn | ok? | 22:31 |
KM0201 | Numn: like i told you, pastebin the results of sudo apt-get remove xpad or i'm just gonna assume you're trolling | 22:31 |
KM0201 | nthing gets removed till you hit "Y" it just shows what would be removed if you hit Y | 22:31 |
Numn | trolling what's that? | 22:31 |
Unit193 | Numn: Try this (It will not uninstall ANYTHING at all) sudo apt-get remove xpad --no-act |pastebinit | 22:31 |
KM0201 | Unit193: i doubt he has pastebinit installed | 22:32 |
Unit193 | KM0201: Heh, when did I make you install it anyway? :D | 22:32 |
KM0201 | lol, naa, i've had it installed forever, handy tool | 22:32 |
Numn | can i use purge instead? | 22:33 |
KM0201 | purge for what? | 22:33 |
Unit193 | Numn: Sure | 22:33 |
KM0201 | i guess if purge makes you feel better... but it essentially does the same thing as remove | 22:34 |
Numn | lubuntu-desktop* xpad* | 22:36 |
Numn | its in swede so i dont think you understand it :/ | 22:38 |
Numn | swedish* | 22:38 |
KM0201 | so did you uninstall it? | 22:38 |
Unit193 | Numn: That's fine | 22:38 |
Numn | yep | 22:38 |
KM0201 | ok | 22:39 |
Numn | but it told me that lubuntu-desktop is deleted and all these things i show above in the text is no longer needed :S | 22:39 |
Unit193 | What things are no longer needed? Can you pastebin them? | 22:40 |
Numn | http://paste.ubuntu.com/660763/ | 22:44 |
KM0201 | OH NO! | 22:46 |
Numn | -.-' | 22:47 |
Numn | Oh, no wat? | 22:48 |
KM0201 | it uninstalled those packages! | 22:49 |
KM0201 | (i'm kidding) | 22:49 |
Unit193 | KM0201: That's not exactly nice | 22:49 |
Unit193 | Numn: I don't have most of those | 22:49 |
KM0201 | Unit193: well.. i was just kidding.. his system didn't start smoking i'm sure. | 22:50 |
Numn | lol i wanted to ger rid of one single app i got the whole system to my knees | 22:50 |
Numn | get* | 22:50 |
KM0201 | Numn: so what did you uninstall to do this? | 22:51 |
Numn | what you told me? | 22:52 |
KM0201 | xpad? | 22:52 |
Numn | yea your instructions | 22:52 |
KM0201 | you uninsalled xpad, and it rendered your sysem useless? | 22:52 |
KM0201 | no, you said before, you uninstalled something, and it rendered your system uuseless | 22:52 |
Numn | yea it was before i used lubuntu, but i think is the same thing for the whole buntu | 22:53 |
KM0201 | well, if it was ubuntu, thats fine.. what package was it you uninstalled? | 22:53 |
Numn | for what? i used xubuntu then it happend, but i think still i gonna get the same thing in lubuntu | 22:54 |
KM0201 | ok, then xubuntu... you said you uninstalled a package, that rendered the system useless.. what package did you uninstall that caused this. | 22:54 |
Numn | cant remember | 22:56 |
KM0201 | Numn: ?.. so.. i just wanna mak esure i understand this correctly | 22:57 |
KM0201 | you apt-get remove a program from Xubuntu, it removes, and apparently removes some other packages, and renders your system useless, and you can't remember which package caused this? | 22:57 |
KM0201 | i would think i would wanna remembre what package i removed, so i didn't remove it again. | 22:57 |
Numn | right, but think was something about the desktop. cus always pops up | 22:59 |
KM0201 | Numn: unless you actually removed the desktopp package.. ie.. apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop... that's about the only thing that would have caused what you're describing. | 22:59 |
KM0201 | and then you're system really wouldn't be "useless" (might appear that way to a newb though).. it would just be a CLI system only. | 23:00 |
Numn | i can tell that i used synaptic | 23:00 |
KM0201 | the system would still be fine, you could either reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and it would reinstall all the apps, etc.. | 23:00 |
KM0201 | or you could install another desktop (ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.) | 23:01 |
KM0201 | i duno Numn... strange is all i'll say | 23:01 |
Numn | i use lubuntu right im just wanna get rid of some of the apps not the whole desktop | 23:02 |
KM0201 | Numn: unless you actually remove "lubuntu-desktop" (the package, not the meta package) you should be fine | 23:04 |
Numn | i dont know which but it keep telling me its get rid of that to if i remove xpad.. but let me see if something speciel happends after i reboot | 23:05 |
KM0201 | ok | 23:06 |
Numn | KM0201: lol nothing happned.. got rid of xpad lets if not happening then i deletes other | 23:18 |
KM0201 | Numn: well, thats a relief.. :) | 23:18 |
Numn | its kind of weird that i have the desktop.. but it told me to being deleted.. kind of wierd.. | 23:22 |
Numn | now its deleted its if wanna install xpad if i want myself install lubuntu-desktop | 23:26 |
KM0201 | Numn: if you wanted to install xpad, just sudo apt-get install xpad (or use synaptic) any thing it needs, it will call for and install automatically for you | 23:28 |
KM0201 | you don't need to do it manually | 23:28 |
Numn | yea, but if want to install lubuntu-desktop again.. xpad is being installed | 23:29 |
KM0201 | Numn: why are you trying to install lubuntu-desktop? | 23:29 |
Numn | cus maybe is need then its installed from the beginning? | 23:30 |
KM0201 | what you removed, was a metapackage, not the actual package "lubuntu-desktop".. which if you try to apt-get lubuntu-desktop (or use synaptic) then yes, it will install install xpad again.. | 23:30 |
KM0201 | Numn: noo. | 23:30 |
KM0201 | !metapackage | 23:30 |
ubot5 | A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. | 23:30 |
KM0201 | it will get replaced when its needed | 23:30 |
KM0201 | and it will be removed when its not. | 23:30 |
KM0201 | thats what a "package manager" does | 23:31 |
Numn | what do you mean exacly? | 23:31 |
KM0201 | .. | 23:31 |
KM0201 | ok. | 23:31 |
KM0201 | you said you tried to reinstall lubuntu-desktop... right? | 23:32 |
KM0201 | you're confusing "lubuntu-desktop" the meta package... with "lubuntu-desktop" the actual package. | 23:33 |
Numn | yea in synaptics.. and for me before install it including installing xpad cus i remove it i tihnk :S | 23:33 |
Numn | yea i think so.. i think the name comfuse me. or i dont really know which is which? | 23:33 |
KM0201 | that didn't make any sense at all. | 23:33 |
KM0201 | well, you're not gonna reinstall the meta package... so don't worry about that. | 23:34 |
KM0201 | and if you search synaptic for "lubuntu-desktop" you'll see it's already installed | 23:34 |
KM0201 | so.. why would you install it again? | 23:34 |
Unit193 | Ok, the metapackage lubuntu-desktop makes it easy to install Lubuntu the flavor from a minimal install and isn't really needed to keep Lubuntu the flavor | 23:34 |
KM0201 | Unit193: but i think part o the confusion, might be, that if you "uninstall" lubuntu-desktop"... it'll remove lubuntu-desktop (the gui) | 23:36 |
Numn | i thought that | 23:36 |
KM0201 | least i think it does | 23:36 |
KM0201 | maybe it doesn't.. cuz i just looked, and lubuntu-desktop is not installed on my system | 23:36 |
KM0201 | i dunno. | 23:37 |
KM0201 | Numn: all i can suggest at this point, is don't worry abou tit. | 23:37 |
Unit193 | KM0201: That's what I said, you don't need to keep if after the flavor is installed | 23:37 |
Unit193 | I no longer have it installed either | 23:37 |
szczur | lubuntu-desktop just depends on other packages. You can safely remove it, because it doesn't provide anything | 23:37 |
KM0201 | Unit193: yeah | 23:37 |
szczur | except those dependencies | 23:37 |
Numn | haha, i thought it would the the main package for lubuntu | 23:38 |
Numn | uninstall* | 23:38 |
KM0201 | no | 23:39 |
Numn | i hope im not missing something important. | 23:41 |
KM0201 | Numn: the only thing important you're missing, is Xpad... and you wanted to remove that (so its not important).. all that other stuff you removed, aptitude / synaptic, knew it wasn't needed anymore, probably because of something else you uninstalled, so it removed them also. | 23:43 |
KM0201 | Numn: if you sudo apt-get autoremove that will remove any package on your system, that is no longer needed. | 23:43 |
Unit193 | KM0201: sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-desktop is also ok to do (Just did it in my VM) | 23:44 |
Numn | yea but meta package are not really important? then already is a main package | 23:44 |
KM0201 | Unit193: right (i figured it was since removing it is also ok)... | 23:45 |
KM0201 | Numn: exactly. | 23:45 |
KM0201 | Numn: lookk at it this way... | 23:45 |
Numn | im trying to understand what the main thing is so i dont go throught this again | 23:46 |
KM0201 | Numn: if you wanted to install "gnome" on your current box.. you could either go through, and try to find all the gnome apps, etc.. and spend hours looking for them. | 23:46 |
KM0201 | Numn: or... you could "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" ubuntu-desktop, is basically going to require everythig you will need, to install a normal, ubuntu desktop (gnome)... | 23:46 |
Unit193 | Unity ;) | 23:47 |
KM0201 | that's right.. unity. | 23:47 |
Numn | so its kind lika a scale on the real thing right? if i remove lubuntu i remove all Lubuntu kind of apps removed right? | 23:50 |
KM0201 | yup. | 23:51 |
Numn | thx. was the thing i needed to hear :) | 23:52 |
KM0201 | !faq | 23:57 |
ubot5 | A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com | 23:57 |
KM0201 | hmm, not the one i wanted | 23:57 |
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