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KM0201riddle me this:  My NAS, I can access the samba share no problem at all.  I can reboot the NAS 50x, no problem... Give it a second, and I can get right back on my shares... the second I reboot my Laptop (running lubuntu 11.04).. i can't access the share... i can browse to it, then I get failed to retrieve list from server, specified location is not mounted, but when i ssh my server, the location is mounted01:25
KM0201nobody?01:32
KM0201strangest thing ever, i know01:32
KM0201surely Unit193 or bioterror has an idea.. :001:32
jmarsdenKM0201: Can you access the shares using smbclient from the command line, instead of all the GUI stuff?  if not, what error(s) does it output?01:46
KM0201jmarsden: mysteriously, after like 20min, it just came online.01:46
KM0201go figure.01:46
KM0201i'm trying to figure out whats going on, cuz that doesn't make sense.01:47
jmarsdenIf the browse master for a windows workgroup is a Windows machine, it can take 15 mins or so to sync up... not sure if the NAS would act as a browse master or if Lubuntu is doing that.01:47
KM0201i know the server is online, cuz i can ping it, ssh it, etc.. but i just can't access the share.01:47
jmarsdenTroubeshoot windows name resolution and the whoe SMb browsing stuff.01:48
jmarsdens/whoe/whole/01:48
KM0201Connection to host failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)     -- but i can browse the share right now.. and i just ran that command.01:49
KM0201lol01:49
jmarsden"bad network name"... yup.  SMB name service and browse lists...01:49
KM0201smb name service?01:50
jmarsdenI'm not likely to troubleshoot that stuff for you on IRC for fun... I work with that stuff in the week :)01:50
jmarsdennetbios names of machines, etc.  WINS or the broadcase name resolution or whatever you have set up.01:51
KM0201, i understand01:51
KM0201just doesn;'t make sense though01:52
KM0201jmarsden: the output of /usr/bin/smbclient -L (ipaddress) gives me this..  session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE   but i can browse/use the share right now01:53
jmarsdenKM0201: The NAS may be set to now allow anonymous enumeration of shares... lots more to try, like -W workgroupname and -U and so forth...01:55
jmarsdens/to now allow/to not allow/01:55
jmarsdenman smbclient, and read the Samba docs for a while...01:55
KM0201hmm01:55
KM0201hmm, interesting you say that.01:57
KM0201brb01:57
KM0201hmm jmarsden you're on to something htere, i had guest said to "yes" in smb.conf  when i changed that to NO, and required a username/password, it worked02:08
jmarsdenKM0201: I'm in #ubuntu-server too :)02:08
KM0201yeah, i didn't know that.. sorrry.. :)02:08
jmarsdenif I am around, I am pretty much always in #ubuntu-server.  I've been involved there way longer than I have been involved with Lubuntu.02:09
Unit193I would guess because Lubuntu hasn't been here as long as ubuntu-server ;)02:09
jmarsdenWell, partly.  I wasn't involved with Lubuntu when it started, either...02:10
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KM0201this is just perplexing02:15
zachleighhi everyone....i have a crash problem and im wondering if their is a fix05:15
jmarsdenzachleigh: You'll need to provide a lot more details than that before anyone can do more than 'wonder' with you... :)05:17
zachleighevery time i select the wallpaper mode "fill with background color only" x crashes05:17
zachleighive triggered it with apport on but it doesnt seem to be catching it]05:18
jmarsdenzachleigh: Ah, known issue in the utility for setting that.  You can create a wallpaper with one color and use that as a slightly silly workaround...05:18
zachleighok....just wondering if it was known05:19
zachleighthanks05:19
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silverarrowhi11:47
silverarrowI was forced to reinstall lubuntu11:47
silverarrowI chose lubuntu over windows 711:47
silverarrowand xp11:48
silverarrowI'm not shore how smart that is11:48
silverarrowanyone using lubuntu regularly ?11:48
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DeadEndAny problems if I copied  /home from Ubuntu 10.04 to a fresh Lubuntu 11.04 install13:24
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silverarrowhi13:25
silverarrowWhen hard drive seems to have broken down, what to do in a crisis?13:26
silverarrowI have an external harddrive USB connected13:26
IAmNotThatGuyDeadEnd, contents of the home wont affect if you didn't copy the hidden files too13:26
IAmNotThatGuysilverarrow, please explain further13:27
DeadEndIAmNotThatGuy: Yup I did include .hidden so I guess I will carry over a lot of crud13:27
avelldirollsilverarrow: first boot on a liveCD/USB to be cetain to have a stable systemem13:27
DeadEndBut will it break anything13:27
silverarrowI am on a live lubuntu CD now13:27
avelldirollsilverarrow: then make a SMART diagnostic of your disk13:27
* silverarrow googeling SMART diagnostic13:28
avelldirollsilverarrow: then if nothing appeared, a fsck of the different partitions13:28
silverarrowI did a reinstall of lubutu, and booting went wrong,13:28
avelldirollsilverarrow: before that, try to mount your disk and verify that every data on the disk has been backuped13:29
silverarrowThe harddrive is fairly new; I think I need to have it checked  before I go bac k to the store and complain13:29
avelldirollsilverarrow: what makes you think it was the drive then ?13:30
silverarrowsomeone told me it seemed like hard drive failiure13:30
avelldirollsilverarrow: what did you mean when you said "booting went wrong"13:31
silverarrowat first when hard drive was all new, lubuntu installed fine, no problem, it worked fine for about two months13:31
silverarrowthen I get these weird hang ups, booting begins to get slower13:32
silverarrowsuddenly booting fails13:32
silverarrowI get "no hard drive found" " " no operative system found"13:32
silverarrowthen I get annoyed13:33
avelldirollok13:33
avelldiroll"two months" means it is not a new drive anymore13:33
silverarrowthen today I did a reinstallation of lubutu, it failed, grub fuzz13:33
avelldirollsilverarrow: is everydata on this disk backuped elsewhere ?13:33
silverarrowI see, however there is a one year warranty13:34
silverarrowyes, at least the important stuff13:34
avelldirollok so we will cut the chase, download the UBCD, boot with it, select the diagnostic tools ad hoc for your disk and check the disk with the manufacturer tool13:35
avelldirollif the diagnostic reveals a failed disk, ask for a refund/exchange should not be a problem13:36
avelldirollsilverarrow: UBCD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com13:36
silverarrowthanks13:36
semitoneshey you guys16:22
KM0201sup16:22
semitonesi know I should know this by now, but if I want to put ndiswrapper on a computer with no internet16:22
semitoneswhere can I download the deb files16:23
KM0201semitones: i've never used ndiswrapper, but if i recall, ubuntu puts them on the live cd (so all you need, is the live cd, and the drivers you need)16:23
semitonesnevermind I found them here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing Packages (With Internet access on another computer)16:23
semitonesI don't have a live cd16:24
KM0201oh ok.16:24
semitonesbut copying those on usb should be easier anyway16:24
KM0201well, download one.. :)16:24
KM0201eh, maybe.16:24
semitonesI've been booting from usb a lot these days16:24
KM0201well, live cd/live usb.. same thing16:24
semitonesless waste :P16:24
KM0201those .deb files are on the "live ISO"16:24
Numnwhy cant i rename things in the menu?21:37
bioterrorbecouse menu reads information from  /usr/share/applications/21:38
Numnso if i want to rename things in the menu but not one the original files?21:40
bioterroryou have to modify .desktop file21:40
bioterroror create another one21:40
Numnhow do i do thaT?21:41
bioterrorhttp://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/21:44
KM0201menu editing, is one thing i think lxde could do a little better on21:54
Numnwhy cant i delete xpad and its telling me that lubuntu-desktop is being deleted too?22:07
KM0201Numn: lubuntu-desktop is likely a meta package (at least it is in ubuntu)... so it's not really gonna uninstall lubuntu-desktop22:08
KM0201Numn: why don't you just uninstall xpad? (or do you just not want it in the menu?)22:09
Numni dont need it :)22:09
KM0201so ust uninstall it..22:09
KM0201sudo apt-get autoremove xpad22:09
Numnyea, but its keep telling me its going to be deleted?22:10
KM0201whats gonna be deleted? i just uninstalled xpad, and it said nothing about lubuntu-desktop22:10
KM0201Numn: http://pastebin.com/2mYHM0fq22:10
Numnkind of wierd cus i tried deleting it in synaptic and its telling me that i told you :)22:12
Numnnot purge?22:13
Numni got this22:14
Numn  apt-clone archdetect-deb btrfs-tools cryptsetup dmraid dpkg-repack hwdata22:14
Numn  libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcheese-gtk18 libdebconfclient022:14
Numn  libdebian-installer4 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a22:14
Numn  libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libpangomm-1.4-1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a22:14
Numn  localechooser-data lubuntu-desktop ndiswrapper-common python-pyicu rdate22:14
Numn  reiserfsprogs xpad22:14
KM0201purging it, doesn't remove the program22:15
KM0201it purges its settings (to my knowledge)22:15
KM0201Numn: do this, type "sudo apt-get remove xpad" in a terminal, then pastebin exactly what the terminal says22:16
KM0201just pastebin the whole terminal22:17
Numnyea, then i want deleting something i wont settning for it22:17
KM0201don't paste it all here.22:17
KM0201no..because you have to confirm the remove with "Y".. if you don't hit y, it's not gonna uninstall22:17
Numnare they not any pastebin in ubuntu?22:17
KM0201just use pastebin.com.. for cryin out loud.22:17
Numnhaha22:17
Numnok22:17
Numni dont want to fuck up my computer22:20
KM0201watch your language.. you're not gonna screw up anything, if you don't actually uninstall it.22:21
KM0201it won't uninstall, unless you hit Y22:21
KM0201there's no way, lubuntu-desktop, depends on xpad... it's just completely ridiculous.22:21
KM0201i just uninstalled xpad, and nothing at all came up about lubuntu-desktop22:21
Numnidk. but its telling its removes too..22:22
Unit193It's fine to remove lubuntu-desktop, it's just for installing Lubuntu and if it's gone that's ok22:22
Unit193I don't have it anymore22:22
KM0201that's what i've been trying to tell him.22:22
KM0201!info lubuntu-desktop22:23
KM0201hmm22:23
Unit193!metapackage22:23
ubot5lubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.24 (natty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel)22:23
ubot5A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.22:23
KM0201eh, i was close.. :)22:23
Unit193sudo apt-get purge    will uninstall22:23
KM0201will it? i thought it just removed configurations22:24
Unit193Nope, I use it to remove unwanted programs22:25
KM0201hmm22:25
Unit193man apt-get and go down to purge22:25
Unit193"purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)."22:26
KM0201Unit193: hmm, i'll have to remember that22:26
Numnhehe sad i cant delete a single app :(22:26
KM0201Numn: whats sad, is you can, you just won't22:27
Numncus i wont unistall anything the system rely on22:28
Numnits like remove somethhing from a reicipe22:28
KM0201Numn: you're not removing anything the system relies on... if the system still relied on something, it would not uninstall it22:28
KM0201Numn: that's a horrid analogy22:29
Unit193KM0201: Have him run the uninstall with --no-act so it WON'T uninstall ANYTHING22:29
KM0201Unit193: he won't even use a pastebin the way i told him22:29
Unit193And just pastebin it22:29
KM0201Unit193: not wasting my time on it anymore, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink22:29
KM0201Numn: my point...  http://pastebin.com/zBHZPYhf22:30
NumnKM0201: ok, 1 time i deleted something i couldnt use ubuntu later on happen for me22:30
KM0201read it, understand it22:30
KM0201Numn: i have a hard time believing that, but.. whatever22:30
Numnok?22:31
KM0201Numn: like i told you, pastebin the results of sudo apt-get remove xpad   or i'm just gonna assume you're trolling22:31
KM0201nthing gets removed till you hit "Y" it just shows what would be removed if you hit Y22:31
Numntrolling what's that?22:31
Unit193Numn: Try this (It will not uninstall ANYTHING at all) sudo apt-get remove xpad --no-act |pastebinit22:31
KM0201Unit193: i doubt he has pastebinit installed22:32
Unit193KM0201: Heh, when did I make you install it anyway? :D22:32
KM0201lol, naa, i've had it installed forever, handy tool22:32
Numncan i use purge instead?22:33
KM0201purge for what?22:33
Unit193Numn: Sure22:33
KM0201i guess if purge makes you feel better... but it essentially does the same thing as remove22:34
Numnlubuntu-desktop* xpad*22:36
Numnits in swede so i dont think you understand it :/22:38
Numnswedish*22:38
KM0201so did you uninstall it?22:38
Unit193Numn: That's fine22:38
Numnyep22:38
KM0201ok22:39
Numnbut it told me that lubuntu-desktop is deleted and all these things i show above in the text is no longer needed :S22:39
Unit193What things are no longer needed? Can you pastebin them?22:40
Numnhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/660763/22:44
KM0201OH NO!22:46
Numn-.-'22:47
NumnOh, no wat?22:48
KM0201it uninstalled those packages!22:49
KM0201(i'm kidding)22:49
Unit193KM0201: That's not exactly nice22:49
Unit193Numn: I don't have most of those22:49
KM0201Unit193: well.. i was just kidding.. his system didn't start smoking i'm sure.22:50
Numnlol i wanted to ger rid of one single app i got the whole system to my knees22:50
Numnget*22:50
KM0201Numn: so what did you uninstall to do this?22:51
Numnwhat you told me?22:52
KM0201xpad?22:52
Numnyea your instructions22:52
KM0201you uninsalled xpad, and it rendered your sysem useless?22:52
KM0201no, you said before, you uninstalled something, and it rendered your system uuseless22:52
Numnyea it was before i used lubuntu, but i think is the same thing for the whole buntu22:53
KM0201well, if it was ubuntu, thats fine.. what package was it you uninstalled?22:53
Numnfor what? i used xubuntu then it happend, but i think still i gonna get the same thing in lubuntu22:54
KM0201ok, then xubuntu... you said you uninstalled a package, that rendered the system useless.. what package did you uninstall that caused this.22:54
Numncant remember22:56
KM0201Numn: ?.. so.. i just wanna mak esure i understand this correctly22:57
KM0201you apt-get remove a program from Xubuntu, it removes, and apparently removes some other packages, and renders your system useless, and you can't remember which package caused this?22:57
KM0201i would think i would wanna remembre what package i removed, so i didn't remove it again.22:57
Numnright, but think was something about the desktop. cus always pops up22:59
KM0201Numn: unless you actually removed the desktopp package.. ie.. apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop... that's about the only thing that would have caused what you're describing.22:59
KM0201and then you're system really wouldn't be "useless" (might appear that way to a newb though).. it would just be a CLI system only.23:00
Numni can tell that i used synaptic23:00
KM0201the system would still be fine, you could either reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and it would reinstall all the apps, etc..23:00
KM0201or you could install another desktop (ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.)23:01
KM0201i duno Numn... strange is all i'll say23:01
Numni use lubuntu right im just wanna get rid of some of the apps not the whole desktop23:02
KM0201Numn: unless you actually remove "lubuntu-desktop" (the package, not the meta package) you should be fine23:04
Numni dont know which but it keep telling me its get rid of that to if i remove xpad.. but let me see if something speciel happends after i reboot23:05
KM0201ok23:06
NumnKM0201: lol nothing happned.. got rid of xpad lets if not happening then i deletes other23:18
KM0201Numn: well, thats a relief.. :)23:18
Numnits kind of weird that i have the desktop.. but it told me to being deleted.. kind of wierd..23:22
Numnnow its deleted its if wanna install xpad if i want myself install lubuntu-desktop23:26
KM0201Numn: if you wanted to install xpad, just sudo apt-get install xpad (or use synaptic) any thing it needs, it will call for and install automatically for you23:28
KM0201you don't need to do it manually23:28
Numnyea, but if want to install lubuntu-desktop again.. xpad is being installed23:29
KM0201Numn: why are you trying to install lubuntu-desktop?23:29
Numncus maybe is need then its installed from the beginning?23:30
KM0201what you removed, was a metapackage, not the actual package "lubuntu-desktop".. which if you try to apt-get lubuntu-desktop (or use synaptic) then yes, it will install install xpad again..23:30
KM0201Numn: noo.23:30
KM0201!metapackage23:30
ubot5A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.23:30
KM0201it will get replaced when its needed23:30
KM0201and it will be removed when its not.23:30
KM0201thats what a "package manager" does23:31
Numnwhat do you mean exacly?23:31
KM0201..23:31
KM0201ok.23:31
KM0201you said you tried to reinstall lubuntu-desktop... right?23:32
KM0201you're confusing "lubuntu-desktop" the meta package... with "lubuntu-desktop" the actual package.23:33
Numnyea in synaptics.. and for me before install it including installing xpad cus i remove it i tihnk :S23:33
Numnyea i think so.. i think the name comfuse me. or i dont really know which is which?23:33
KM0201that didn't make any sense at all.23:33
KM0201well, you're not gonna reinstall the meta package... so don't worry about that.23:34
KM0201and if you search synaptic for "lubuntu-desktop"   you'll see it's already installed23:34
KM0201so.. why would you install it again?23:34
Unit193Ok, the metapackage lubuntu-desktop makes it easy to install Lubuntu the flavor from a minimal install and isn't really needed to keep Lubuntu the flavor23:34
KM0201Unit193: but i think part o the confusion, might be, that if you "uninstall" lubuntu-desktop"... it'll remove lubuntu-desktop (the gui)23:36
Numni thought that23:36
KM0201least i think it does23:36
KM0201maybe it doesn't.. cuz i just looked, and lubuntu-desktop is not installed on my system23:36
KM0201i dunno.23:37
KM0201Numn: all i can suggest at this point, is don't worry abou tit.23:37
Unit193KM0201: That's what I said, you don't need to keep if after the flavor is installed23:37
Unit193I no longer have it installed either23:37
szczurlubuntu-desktop just depends on other packages. You can safely remove it, because it doesn't provide anything23:37
KM0201Unit193: yeah23:37
szczurexcept those dependencies23:37
Numnhaha, i thought it would the the main package for lubuntu23:38
Numnuninstall*23:38
KM0201no23:39
Numni hope im not missing something important.23:41
KM0201Numn: the only thing important you're missing, is Xpad... and you wanted to remove that (so its not important).. all that other stuff you removed, aptitude / synaptic, knew it wasn't needed anymore, probably because of something else you uninstalled, so it removed them also.23:43
KM0201Numn: if you sudo apt-get autoremove    that will remove any package on your system, that is no longer needed.23:43
Unit193KM0201: sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-desktop is also ok to do (Just did it in my VM)23:44
Numnyea but meta package are not really important? then already is a main package23:44
KM0201Unit193: right (i figured it was since removing it is also ok)...23:45
KM0201Numn: exactly.23:45
KM0201Numn: lookk at it this way...23:45
Numnim trying to understand what the main thing is so i dont go throught this again23:46
KM0201Numn: if you wanted to install "gnome" on your current box.. you could either go through, and try to find all the gnome apps, etc.. and spend hours looking for them.23:46
KM0201Numn: or... you could "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"   ubuntu-desktop, is basically going to require everythig you will need, to install a normal, ubuntu desktop (gnome)...23:46
Unit193Unity ;)23:47
KM0201that's right.. unity.23:47
Numnso its kind lika a scale on the real thing right? if i remove lubuntu i remove all Lubuntu kind of apps removed right?23:50
KM0201yup.23:51
Numnthx. was the thing i needed to hear :)23:52
KM0201!faq23:57
ubot5A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com23:57
KM0201hmm, not the one i wanted23:57

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