[01:25] riddle me this: My NAS, I can access the samba share no problem at all. I can reboot the NAS 50x, no problem... Give it a second, and I can get right back on my shares... the second I reboot my Laptop (running lubuntu 11.04).. i can't access the share... i can browse to it, then I get failed to retrieve list from server, specified location is not mounted, but when i ssh my server, the location is mounted [01:32] nobody? [01:32] strangest thing ever, i know [01:32] surely Unit193 or bioterror has an idea.. :0 [01:46] KM0201: Can you access the shares using smbclient from the command line, instead of all the GUI stuff? if not, what error(s) does it output? [01:46] jmarsden: mysteriously, after like 20min, it just came online. [01:46] go figure. [01:47] i'm trying to figure out whats going on, cuz that doesn't make sense. [01:47] If the browse master for a windows workgroup is a Windows machine, it can take 15 mins or so to sync up... not sure if the NAS would act as a browse master or if Lubuntu is doing that. [01:47] i know the server is online, cuz i can ping it, ssh it, etc.. but i just can't access the share. [01:48] Troubeshoot windows name resolution and the whoe SMb browsing stuff. [01:48] s/whoe/whole/ [01:49] Connection to host failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME) -- but i can browse the share right now.. and i just ran that command. [01:49] lol [01:49] "bad network name"... yup. SMB name service and browse lists... [01:50] smb name service? [01:50] I'm not likely to troubleshoot that stuff for you on IRC for fun... I work with that stuff in the week :) [01:51] netbios names of machines, etc. WINS or the broadcase name resolution or whatever you have set up. [01:51] , i understand [01:52] just doesn;'t make sense though [01:53] jmarsden: the output of /usr/bin/smbclient -L (ipaddress) gives me this.. session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE but i can browse/use the share right now [01:55] KM0201: The NAS may be set to now allow anonymous enumeration of shares... lots more to try, like -W workgroupname and -U and so forth... [01:55] s/to now allow/to not allow/ [01:55] man smbclient, and read the Samba docs for a while... [01:55] hmm [01:57] hmm, interesting you say that. [01:57] brb [02:08] hmm jmarsden you're on to something htere, i had guest said to "yes" in smb.conf when i changed that to NO, and required a username/password, it worked [02:08] KM0201: I'm in #ubuntu-server too :) [02:08] yeah, i didn't know that.. sorrry.. :) [02:09] if I am around, I am pretty much always in #ubuntu-server. I've been involved there way longer than I have been involved with Lubuntu. [02:09] I would guess because Lubuntu hasn't been here as long as ubuntu-server ;) [02:10] Well, partly. I wasn't involved with Lubuntu when it started, either... === Evixion` is now known as Evixion [02:15] this is just perplexing [05:15] hi everyone....i have a crash problem and im wondering if their is a fix [05:17] zachleigh: You'll need to provide a lot more details than that before anyone can do more than 'wonder' with you... :) [05:17] every time i select the wallpaper mode "fill with background color only" x crashes [05:18] ive triggered it with apport on but it doesnt seem to be catching it] [05:18] zachleigh: Ah, known issue in the utility for setting that. You can create a wallpaper with one color and use that as a slightly silly workaround... [05:19] ok....just wondering if it was known [05:19] thanks === zmijunkie_ is now known as zmijunkie === LarsT is now known as LarsTorben === LarsTorben is now known as LaDDDD === silverlightning is now known as silverarrow [11:47] hi [11:47] I was forced to reinstall lubuntu [11:47] I chose lubuntu over windows 7 [11:48] and xp [11:48] I'm not shore how smart that is [11:48] anyone using lubuntu regularly ? === Hellow is now known as collinp [13:22] hi] [13:24] Any problems if I copied /home from Ubuntu 10.04 to a fresh Lubuntu 11.04 install === ubuntu is now known as silverarrow [13:25] hi [13:26] When hard drive seems to have broken down, what to do in a crisis? [13:26] I have an external harddrive USB connected [13:26] DeadEnd, contents of the home wont affect if you didn't copy the hidden files too [13:27] silverarrow, please explain further [13:27] IAmNotThatGuy: Yup I did include .hidden so I guess I will carry over a lot of crud [13:27] silverarrow: first boot on a liveCD/USB to be cetain to have a stable systemem [13:27] But will it break anything [13:27] I am on a live lubuntu CD now [13:27] silverarrow: then make a SMART diagnostic of your disk [13:28] * silverarrow googeling SMART diagnostic [13:28] silverarrow: then if nothing appeared, a fsck of the different partitions [13:28] I did a reinstall of lubutu, and booting went wrong, [13:29] silverarrow: before that, try to mount your disk and verify that every data on the disk has been backuped [13:29] The harddrive is fairly new; I think I need to have it checked before I go bac k to the store and complain [13:30] silverarrow: what makes you think it was the drive then ? [13:30] someone told me it seemed like hard drive failiure [13:31] silverarrow: what did you mean when you said "booting went wrong" [13:31] at first when hard drive was all new, lubuntu installed fine, no problem, it worked fine for about two months [13:32] then I get these weird hang ups, booting begins to get slower [13:32] suddenly booting fails [13:32] I get "no hard drive found" " " no operative system found" [13:33] then I get annoyed [13:33] ok [13:33] "two months" means it is not a new drive anymore [13:33] then today I did a reinstallation of lubutu, it failed, grub fuzz [13:33] silverarrow: is everydata on this disk backuped elsewhere ? [13:34] I see, however there is a one year warranty [13:34] yes, at least the important stuff [13:35] ok so we will cut the chase, download the UBCD, boot with it, select the diagnostic tools ad hoc for your disk and check the disk with the manufacturer tool [13:36] if the diagnostic reveals a failed disk, ask for a refund/exchange should not be a problem [13:36] silverarrow: UBCD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com [13:36] thanks [16:22] hey you guys [16:22] sup [16:22] i know I should know this by now, but if I want to put ndiswrapper on a computer with no internet [16:23] where can I download the deb files [16:23] semitones: i've never used ndiswrapper, but if i recall, ubuntu puts them on the live cd (so all you need, is the live cd, and the drivers you need) [16:23] nevermind I found them here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing Packages (With Internet access on another computer) [16:24] I don't have a live cd [16:24] oh ok. [16:24] but copying those on usb should be easier anyway [16:24] well, download one.. :) [16:24] eh, maybe. [16:24] I've been booting from usb a lot these days [16:24] well, live cd/live usb.. same thing [16:24] less waste :P [16:24] those .deb files are on the "live ISO" [21:37] why cant i rename things in the menu? [21:38] becouse menu reads information from /usr/share/applications/ [21:40] so if i want to rename things in the menu but not one the original files? [21:40] you have to modify .desktop file [21:40] or create another one [21:41] how do i do thaT? [21:44] http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ [21:54] menu editing, is one thing i think lxde could do a little better on [22:07] why cant i delete xpad and its telling me that lubuntu-desktop is being deleted too? [22:08] Numn: lubuntu-desktop is likely a meta package (at least it is in ubuntu)... so it's not really gonna uninstall lubuntu-desktop [22:09] Numn: why don't you just uninstall xpad? (or do you just not want it in the menu?) [22:09] i dont need it :) [22:09] so ust uninstall it.. [22:09] sudo apt-get autoremove xpad [22:10] yea, but its keep telling me its going to be deleted? [22:10] whats gonna be deleted? i just uninstalled xpad, and it said nothing about lubuntu-desktop [22:10] Numn: http://pastebin.com/2mYHM0fq [22:12] kind of wierd cus i tried deleting it in synaptic and its telling me that i told you :) [22:13] not purge? [22:14] i got this [22:14] apt-clone archdetect-deb btrfs-tools cryptsetup dmraid dpkg-repack hwdata [22:14] libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcheese-gtk18 libdebconfclient0 [22:14] libdebian-installer4 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a [22:14] libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libpangomm-1.4-1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a [22:14] localechooser-data lubuntu-desktop ndiswrapper-common python-pyicu rdate [22:14] reiserfsprogs xpad [22:15] purging it, doesn't remove the program [22:15] it purges its settings (to my knowledge) [22:16] Numn: do this, type "sudo apt-get remove xpad" in a terminal, then pastebin exactly what the terminal says [22:17] just pastebin the whole terminal [22:17] yea, then i want deleting something i wont settning for it [22:17] don't paste it all here. [22:17] no..because you have to confirm the remove with "Y".. if you don't hit y, it's not gonna uninstall [22:17] are they not any pastebin in ubuntu? [22:17] just use pastebin.com.. for cryin out loud. [22:17] haha [22:17] ok [22:20] i dont want to fuck up my computer [22:21] watch your language.. you're not gonna screw up anything, if you don't actually uninstall it. [22:21] it won't uninstall, unless you hit Y [22:21] there's no way, lubuntu-desktop, depends on xpad... it's just completely ridiculous. [22:21] i just uninstalled xpad, and nothing at all came up about lubuntu-desktop [22:22] idk. but its telling its removes too.. [22:22] It's fine to remove lubuntu-desktop, it's just for installing Lubuntu and if it's gone that's ok [22:22] I don't have it anymore [22:22] that's what i've been trying to tell him. [22:23] !info lubuntu-desktop [22:23] hmm [22:23] !metapackage [22:23] lubuntu-desktop (source: lubuntu-meta): Lubuntu Desktop environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.24 (natty), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ia64 sparc lpia armel) [22:23] A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. [22:23] eh, i was close.. :) [22:23] sudo apt-get purge will uninstall [22:24] will it? i thought it just removed configurations [22:25] Nope, I use it to remove unwanted programs [22:25] hmm [22:25] man apt-get and go down to purge [22:26] "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)." [22:26] Unit193: hmm, i'll have to remember that [22:26] hehe sad i cant delete a single app :( [22:27] Numn: whats sad, is you can, you just won't [22:28] cus i wont unistall anything the system rely on [22:28] its like remove somethhing from a reicipe [22:28] Numn: you're not removing anything the system relies on... if the system still relied on something, it would not uninstall it [22:29] Numn: that's a horrid analogy [22:29] KM0201: Have him run the uninstall with --no-act so it WON'T uninstall ANYTHING [22:29] Unit193: he won't even use a pastebin the way i told him [22:29] And just pastebin it [22:29] Unit193: not wasting my time on it anymore, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink [22:30] Numn: my point... http://pastebin.com/zBHZPYhf [22:30] KM0201: ok, 1 time i deleted something i couldnt use ubuntu later on happen for me [22:30] read it, understand it [22:30] Numn: i have a hard time believing that, but.. whatever [22:31] ok? [22:31] Numn: like i told you, pastebin the results of sudo apt-get remove xpad or i'm just gonna assume you're trolling [22:31] nthing gets removed till you hit "Y" it just shows what would be removed if you hit Y [22:31] trolling what's that? [22:31] Numn: Try this (It will not uninstall ANYTHING at all) sudo apt-get remove xpad --no-act |pastebinit [22:32] Unit193: i doubt he has pastebinit installed [22:32] KM0201: Heh, when did I make you install it anyway? :D [22:32] lol, naa, i've had it installed forever, handy tool [22:33] can i use purge instead? [22:33] purge for what? [22:33] Numn: Sure [22:34] i guess if purge makes you feel better... but it essentially does the same thing as remove [22:36] lubuntu-desktop* xpad* [22:38] its in swede so i dont think you understand it :/ [22:38] swedish* [22:38] so did you uninstall it? [22:38] Numn: That's fine [22:38] yep [22:39] ok [22:39] but it told me that lubuntu-desktop is deleted and all these things i show above in the text is no longer needed :S [22:40] What things are no longer needed? Can you pastebin them? [22:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/660763/ [22:46] OH NO! [22:47] -.-' [22:48] Oh, no wat? [22:49] it uninstalled those packages! [22:49] (i'm kidding) [22:49] KM0201: That's not exactly nice [22:49] Numn: I don't have most of those [22:50] Unit193: well.. i was just kidding.. his system didn't start smoking i'm sure. [22:50] lol i wanted to ger rid of one single app i got the whole system to my knees [22:50] get* [22:51] Numn: so what did you uninstall to do this? [22:52] what you told me? [22:52] xpad? [22:52] yea your instructions [22:52] you uninsalled xpad, and it rendered your sysem useless? [22:52] no, you said before, you uninstalled something, and it rendered your system uuseless [22:53] yea it was before i used lubuntu, but i think is the same thing for the whole buntu [22:53] well, if it was ubuntu, thats fine.. what package was it you uninstalled? [22:54] for what? i used xubuntu then it happend, but i think still i gonna get the same thing in lubuntu [22:54] ok, then xubuntu... you said you uninstalled a package, that rendered the system useless.. what package did you uninstall that caused this. [22:56] cant remember [22:57] Numn: ?.. so.. i just wanna mak esure i understand this correctly [22:57] you apt-get remove a program from Xubuntu, it removes, and apparently removes some other packages, and renders your system useless, and you can't remember which package caused this? [22:57] i would think i would wanna remembre what package i removed, so i didn't remove it again. [22:59] right, but think was something about the desktop. cus always pops up [22:59] Numn: unless you actually removed the desktopp package.. ie.. apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop... that's about the only thing that would have caused what you're describing. [23:00] and then you're system really wouldn't be "useless" (might appear that way to a newb though).. it would just be a CLI system only. [23:00] i can tell that i used synaptic [23:00] the system would still be fine, you could either reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and it would reinstall all the apps, etc.. [23:01] or you could install another desktop (ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.) [23:01] i duno Numn... strange is all i'll say [23:02] i use lubuntu right im just wanna get rid of some of the apps not the whole desktop [23:04] Numn: unless you actually remove "lubuntu-desktop" (the package, not the meta package) you should be fine [23:05] i dont know which but it keep telling me its get rid of that to if i remove xpad.. but let me see if something speciel happends after i reboot [23:06] ok [23:18] KM0201: lol nothing happned.. got rid of xpad lets if not happening then i deletes other [23:18] Numn: well, thats a relief.. :) [23:22] its kind of weird that i have the desktop.. but it told me to being deleted.. kind of wierd.. [23:26] now its deleted its if wanna install xpad if i want myself install lubuntu-desktop [23:28] Numn: if you wanted to install xpad, just sudo apt-get install xpad (or use synaptic) any thing it needs, it will call for and install automatically for you [23:28] you don't need to do it manually [23:29] yea, but if want to install lubuntu-desktop again.. xpad is being installed [23:29] Numn: why are you trying to install lubuntu-desktop? [23:30] cus maybe is need then its installed from the beginning? [23:30] what you removed, was a metapackage, not the actual package "lubuntu-desktop".. which if you try to apt-get lubuntu-desktop (or use synaptic) then yes, it will install install xpad again.. [23:30] Numn: noo. [23:30] !metapackage [23:30] A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions. [23:30] it will get replaced when its needed [23:30] and it will be removed when its not. [23:31] thats what a "package manager" does [23:31] what do you mean exacly? [23:31] .. [23:31] ok. [23:32] you said you tried to reinstall lubuntu-desktop... right? [23:33] you're confusing "lubuntu-desktop" the meta package... with "lubuntu-desktop" the actual package. [23:33] yea in synaptics.. and for me before install it including installing xpad cus i remove it i tihnk :S [23:33] yea i think so.. i think the name comfuse me. or i dont really know which is which? [23:33] that didn't make any sense at all. [23:34] well, you're not gonna reinstall the meta package... so don't worry about that. [23:34] and if you search synaptic for "lubuntu-desktop" you'll see it's already installed [23:34] so.. why would you install it again? [23:34] Ok, the metapackage lubuntu-desktop makes it easy to install Lubuntu the flavor from a minimal install and isn't really needed to keep Lubuntu the flavor [23:36] Unit193: but i think part o the confusion, might be, that if you "uninstall" lubuntu-desktop"... it'll remove lubuntu-desktop (the gui) [23:36] i thought that [23:36] least i think it does [23:36] maybe it doesn't.. cuz i just looked, and lubuntu-desktop is not installed on my system [23:37] i dunno. [23:37] Numn: all i can suggest at this point, is don't worry abou tit. [23:37] KM0201: That's what I said, you don't need to keep if after the flavor is installed [23:37] I no longer have it installed either [23:37] lubuntu-desktop just depends on other packages. You can safely remove it, because it doesn't provide anything [23:37] Unit193: yeah [23:37] except those dependencies [23:38] haha, i thought it would the the main package for lubuntu [23:38] uninstall* [23:39] no [23:41] i hope im not missing something important. [23:43] Numn: the only thing important you're missing, is Xpad... and you wanted to remove that (so its not important).. all that other stuff you removed, aptitude / synaptic, knew it wasn't needed anymore, probably because of something else you uninstalled, so it removed them also. [23:43] Numn: if you sudo apt-get autoremove that will remove any package on your system, that is no longer needed. [23:44] KM0201: sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-desktop is also ok to do (Just did it in my VM) [23:44] yea but meta package are not really important? then already is a main package [23:45] Unit193: right (i figured it was since removing it is also ok)... [23:45] Numn: exactly. [23:45] Numn: lookk at it this way... [23:46] im trying to understand what the main thing is so i dont go throught this again [23:46] Numn: if you wanted to install "gnome" on your current box.. you could either go through, and try to find all the gnome apps, etc.. and spend hours looking for them. [23:46] Numn: or... you could "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" ubuntu-desktop, is basically going to require everythig you will need, to install a normal, ubuntu desktop (gnome)... [23:47] Unity ;) [23:47] that's right.. unity. [23:50] so its kind lika a scale on the real thing right? if i remove lubuntu i remove all Lubuntu kind of apps removed right? [23:51] yup. [23:52] thx. was the thing i needed to hear :) [23:57] !faq [23:57] A list of common questions and answers about Ubuntu: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions - Official documentation: http://help.ubuntu.com [23:57] hmm, not the one i wanted