[01:25] <KM0201> riddle me this:  My NAS, I can access the samba share no problem at all.  I can reboot the NAS 50x, no problem... Give it a second, and I can get right back on my shares... the second I reboot my Laptop (running lubuntu 11.04).. i can't access the share... i can browse to it, then I get failed to retrieve list from server, specified location is not mounted, but when i ssh my server, the location is mounted
[01:32] <KM0201> nobody?
[01:32] <KM0201> strangest thing ever, i know
[01:32] <KM0201> surely Unit193 or bioterror has an idea.. :0
[01:46] <jmarsden> KM0201: Can you access the shares using smbclient from the command line, instead of all the GUI stuff?  if not, what error(s) does it output?
[01:46] <KM0201> jmarsden: mysteriously, after like 20min, it just came online.
[01:46] <KM0201> go figure.
[01:47] <KM0201> i'm trying to figure out whats going on, cuz that doesn't make sense.
[01:47] <jmarsden> If the browse master for a windows workgroup is a Windows machine, it can take 15 mins or so to sync up... not sure if the NAS would act as a browse master or if Lubuntu is doing that.
[01:47] <KM0201> i know the server is online, cuz i can ping it, ssh it, etc.. but i just can't access the share.
[01:48] <jmarsden> Troubeshoot windows name resolution and the whoe SMb browsing stuff.
[01:48] <jmarsden> s/whoe/whole/
[01:49] <KM0201> Connection to host failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME)     -- but i can browse the share right now.. and i just ran that command.
[01:49] <KM0201> lol
[01:49] <jmarsden> "bad network name"... yup.  SMB name service and browse lists...
[01:50] <KM0201> smb name service?
[01:50] <jmarsden> I'm not likely to troubleshoot that stuff for you on IRC for fun... I work with that stuff in the week :)
[01:51] <jmarsden> netbios names of machines, etc.  WINS or the broadcase name resolution or whatever you have set up.
[01:51] <KM0201> , i understand
[01:52] <KM0201> just doesn;'t make sense though
[01:53] <KM0201> jmarsden: the output of /usr/bin/smbclient -L (ipaddress) gives me this..  session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE   but i can browse/use the share right now
[01:55] <jmarsden> KM0201: The NAS may be set to now allow anonymous enumeration of shares... lots more to try, like -W workgroupname and -U and so forth...
[01:55] <jmarsden> s/to now allow/to not allow/
[01:55] <jmarsden> man smbclient, and read the Samba docs for a while...
[01:55] <KM0201> hmm
[01:57] <KM0201> hmm, interesting you say that.
[01:57] <KM0201> brb
[02:08] <KM0201> hmm jmarsden you're on to something htere, i had guest said to "yes" in smb.conf  when i changed that to NO, and required a username/password, it worked
[02:08] <jmarsden> KM0201: I'm in #ubuntu-server too :)
[02:08] <KM0201> yeah, i didn't know that.. sorrry.. :)
[02:09] <jmarsden> if I am around, I am pretty much always in #ubuntu-server.  I've been involved there way longer than I have been involved with Lubuntu.
[02:09] <Unit193> I would guess because Lubuntu hasn't been here as long as ubuntu-server ;)
[02:10] <jmarsden> Well, partly.  I wasn't involved with Lubuntu when it started, either...
[02:15] <KM0201> this is just perplexing
[05:15] <zachleigh> hi everyone....i have a crash problem and im wondering if their is a fix
[05:17] <jmarsden> zachleigh: You'll need to provide a lot more details than that before anyone can do more than 'wonder' with you... :)
[05:17] <zachleigh> every time i select the wallpaper mode "fill with background color only" x crashes
[05:18] <zachleigh> ive triggered it with apport on but it doesnt seem to be catching it]
[05:18] <jmarsden> zachleigh: Ah, known issue in the utility for setting that.  You can create a wallpaper with one color and use that as a slightly silly workaround...
[05:19] <zachleigh> ok....just wondering if it was known
[05:19] <zachleigh> thanks
[11:47] <silverarrow> hi
[11:47] <silverarrow> I was forced to reinstall lubuntu
[11:47] <silverarrow> I chose lubuntu over windows 7
[11:48] <silverarrow> and xp
[11:48] <silverarrow> I'm not shore how smart that is
[11:48] <silverarrow> anyone using lubuntu regularly ?
[13:22] <ubuntu> hi]
[13:24] <DeadEnd> Any problems if I copied  /home from Ubuntu 10.04 to a fresh Lubuntu 11.04 install
[13:25] <silverarrow> hi
[13:26] <silverarrow> When hard drive seems to have broken down, what to do in a crisis?
[13:26] <silverarrow> I have an external harddrive USB connected
[13:26] <IAmNotThatGuy> DeadEnd, contents of the home wont affect if you didn't copy the hidden files too
[13:27] <IAmNotThatGuy> silverarrow, please explain further
[13:27] <DeadEnd> IAmNotThatGuy: Yup I did include .hidden so I guess I will carry over a lot of crud
[13:27] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: first boot on a liveCD/USB to be cetain to have a stable systemem
[13:27] <DeadEnd> But will it break anything
[13:27] <silverarrow> I am on a live lubuntu CD now
[13:27] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: then make a SMART diagnostic of your disk
[13:28]  * silverarrow googeling SMART diagnostic
[13:28] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: then if nothing appeared, a fsck of the different partitions
[13:28] <silverarrow> I did a reinstall of lubutu, and booting went wrong,
[13:29] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: before that, try to mount your disk and verify that every data on the disk has been backuped
[13:29] <silverarrow> The harddrive is fairly new; I think I need to have it checked  before I go bac k to the store and complain
[13:30] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: what makes you think it was the drive then ?
[13:30] <silverarrow> someone told me it seemed like hard drive failiure
[13:31] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: what did you mean when you said "booting went wrong"
[13:31] <silverarrow> at first when hard drive was all new, lubuntu installed fine, no problem, it worked fine for about two months
[13:32] <silverarrow> then I get these weird hang ups, booting begins to get slower
[13:32] <silverarrow> suddenly booting fails
[13:32] <silverarrow> I get "no hard drive found" " " no operative system found"
[13:33] <silverarrow> then I get annoyed
[13:33] <avelldiroll> ok
[13:33] <avelldiroll> "two months" means it is not a new drive anymore
[13:33] <silverarrow> then today I did a reinstallation of lubutu, it failed, grub fuzz
[13:33] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: is everydata on this disk backuped elsewhere ?
[13:34] <silverarrow> I see, however there is a one year warranty
[13:34] <silverarrow> yes, at least the important stuff
[13:35] <avelldiroll> ok so we will cut the chase, download the UBCD, boot with it, select the diagnostic tools ad hoc for your disk and check the disk with the manufacturer tool
[13:36] <avelldiroll> if the diagnostic reveals a failed disk, ask for a refund/exchange should not be a problem
[13:36] <avelldiroll> silverarrow: UBCD: http://www.ultimatebootcd.com
[13:36] <silverarrow> thanks
[16:22] <semitones> hey you guys
[16:22] <KM0201> sup
[16:22] <semitones> i know I should know this by now, but if I want to put ndiswrapper on a computer with no internet
[16:23] <semitones> where can I download the deb files
[16:23] <KM0201> semitones: i've never used ndiswrapper, but if i recall, ubuntu puts them on the live cd (so all you need, is the live cd, and the drivers you need)
[16:23] <semitones> nevermind I found them here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper#Installing Packages (With Internet access on another computer)
[16:24] <semitones> I don't have a live cd
[16:24] <KM0201> oh ok.
[16:24] <semitones> but copying those on usb should be easier anyway
[16:24] <KM0201> well, download one.. :)
[16:24] <KM0201> eh, maybe.
[16:24] <semitones> I've been booting from usb a lot these days
[16:24] <KM0201> well, live cd/live usb.. same thing
[16:24] <semitones> less waste :P
[16:24] <KM0201> those .deb files are on the "live ISO"
[21:37] <Numn> why cant i rename things in the menu?
[21:38] <bioterror> becouse menu reads information from  /usr/share/applications/
[21:40] <Numn> so if i want to rename things in the menu but not one the original files?
[21:40] <bioterror> you have to modify .desktop file
[21:40] <bioterror> or create another one
[21:41] <Numn> how do i do thaT?
[21:44] <bioterror> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/
[21:54] <KM0201> menu editing, is one thing i think lxde could do a little better on
[22:07] <Numn> why cant i delete xpad and its telling me that lubuntu-desktop is being deleted too?
[22:08] <KM0201> Numn: lubuntu-desktop is likely a meta package (at least it is in ubuntu)... so it's not really gonna uninstall lubuntu-desktop
[22:09] <KM0201> Numn: why don't you just uninstall xpad? (or do you just not want it in the menu?)
[22:09] <Numn> i dont need it :)
[22:09] <KM0201> so ust uninstall it..
[22:09] <KM0201> sudo apt-get autoremove xpad
[22:10] <Numn> yea, but its keep telling me its going to be deleted?
[22:10] <KM0201> whats gonna be deleted? i just uninstalled xpad, and it said nothing about lubuntu-desktop
[22:10] <KM0201> Numn: http://pastebin.com/2mYHM0fq
[22:12] <Numn> kind of wierd cus i tried deleting it in synaptic and its telling me that i told you :)
[22:13] <Numn> not purge?
[22:14] <Numn> i got this
[22:14] <Numn>   apt-clone archdetect-deb btrfs-tools cryptsetup dmraid dpkg-repack hwdata
[22:14] <Numn>   libatkmm-1.6-1 libcairomm-1.0-1 libcheese-gtk18 libdebconfclient0
[22:14] <Numn>   libdebian-installer4 libdmraid1.0.0.rc16 libglibmm-2.4-1c2a
[22:14] <Numn>   libgnome-desktop-2-17 libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a libpangomm-1.4-1 libsigc++-2.0-0c2a
[22:14] <Numn>   localechooser-data lubuntu-desktop ndiswrapper-common python-pyicu rdate
[22:14] <Numn>   reiserfsprogs xpad
[22:15] <KM0201> purging it, doesn't remove the program
[22:15] <KM0201> it purges its settings (to my knowledge)
[22:16] <KM0201> Numn: do this, type "sudo apt-get remove xpad" in a terminal, then pastebin exactly what the terminal says
[22:17] <KM0201> just pastebin the whole terminal
[22:17] <Numn> yea, then i want deleting something i wont settning for it
[22:17] <KM0201> don't paste it all here.
[22:17] <KM0201> no..because you have to confirm the remove with "Y".. if you don't hit y, it's not gonna uninstall
[22:17] <Numn> are they not any pastebin in ubuntu?
[22:17] <KM0201> just use pastebin.com.. for cryin out loud.
[22:17] <Numn> haha
[22:17] <Numn> ok
[22:20] <Numn> i dont want to fuck up my computer
[22:21] <KM0201> watch your language.. you're not gonna screw up anything, if you don't actually uninstall it.
[22:21] <KM0201> it won't uninstall, unless you hit Y
[22:21] <KM0201> there's no way, lubuntu-desktop, depends on xpad... it's just completely ridiculous.
[22:21] <KM0201> i just uninstalled xpad, and nothing at all came up about lubuntu-desktop
[22:22] <Numn> idk. but its telling its removes too..
[22:22] <Unit193> It's fine to remove lubuntu-desktop, it's just for installing Lubuntu and if it's gone that's ok
[22:22] <Unit193> I don't have it anymore
[22:22] <KM0201> that's what i've been trying to tell him.
[22:23] <KM0201> !info lubuntu-desktop
[22:23] <KM0201> hmm
[22:23] <Unit193> !metapackage
[22:23] <KM0201> eh, i was close.. :)
[22:23] <Unit193> sudo apt-get purge    will uninstall
[22:24] <KM0201> will it? i thought it just removed configurations
[22:25] <Unit193> Nope, I use it to remove unwanted programs
[22:25] <KM0201> hmm
[22:25] <Unit193> man apt-get and go down to purge
[22:26] <Unit193> "purge is identical to remove except that packages are removed and purged (any configuration files are deleted too)."
[22:26] <KM0201> Unit193: hmm, i'll have to remember that
[22:26] <Numn> hehe sad i cant delete a single app :(
[22:27] <KM0201> Numn: whats sad, is you can, you just won't
[22:28] <Numn> cus i wont unistall anything the system rely on
[22:28] <Numn> its like remove somethhing from a reicipe
[22:28] <KM0201> Numn: you're not removing anything the system relies on... if the system still relied on something, it would not uninstall it
[22:29] <KM0201> Numn: that's a horrid analogy
[22:29] <Unit193> KM0201: Have him run the uninstall with --no-act so it WON'T uninstall ANYTHING
[22:29] <KM0201> Unit193: he won't even use a pastebin the way i told him
[22:29] <Unit193> And just pastebin it
[22:29] <KM0201> Unit193: not wasting my time on it anymore, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
[22:30] <KM0201> Numn: my point...  http://pastebin.com/zBHZPYhf
[22:30] <Numn> KM0201: ok, 1 time i deleted something i couldnt use ubuntu later on happen for me
[22:30] <KM0201> read it, understand it
[22:30] <KM0201> Numn: i have a hard time believing that, but.. whatever
[22:31] <Numn> ok?
[22:31] <KM0201> Numn: like i told you, pastebin the results of sudo apt-get remove xpad   or i'm just gonna assume you're trolling
[22:31] <KM0201> nthing gets removed till you hit "Y" it just shows what would be removed if you hit Y
[22:31] <Numn> trolling what's that?
[22:31] <Unit193> Numn: Try this (It will not uninstall ANYTHING at all) sudo apt-get remove xpad --no-act |pastebinit
[22:32] <KM0201> Unit193: i doubt he has pastebinit installed
[22:32] <Unit193> KM0201: Heh, when did I make you install it anyway? :D
[22:32] <KM0201> lol, naa, i've had it installed forever, handy tool
[22:33] <Numn> can i use purge instead?
[22:33] <KM0201> purge for what?
[22:33] <Unit193> Numn: Sure
[22:34] <KM0201> i guess if purge makes you feel better... but it essentially does the same thing as remove
[22:36] <Numn> lubuntu-desktop* xpad*
[22:38] <Numn> its in swede so i dont think you understand it :/
[22:38] <Numn> swedish*
[22:38] <KM0201> so did you uninstall it?
[22:38] <Unit193> Numn: That's fine
[22:38] <Numn> yep
[22:39] <KM0201> ok
[22:39] <Numn> but it told me that lubuntu-desktop is deleted and all these things i show above in the text is no longer needed :S
[22:40] <Unit193> What things are no longer needed? Can you pastebin them?
[22:44] <Numn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/660763/
[22:46] <KM0201> OH NO!
[22:47] <Numn> -.-'
[22:48] <Numn> Oh, no wat?
[22:49] <KM0201> it uninstalled those packages!
[22:49] <KM0201> (i'm kidding)
[22:49] <Unit193> KM0201: That's not exactly nice
[22:49] <Unit193> Numn: I don't have most of those
[22:50] <KM0201> Unit193: well.. i was just kidding.. his system didn't start smoking i'm sure.
[22:50] <Numn> lol i wanted to ger rid of one single app i got the whole system to my knees
[22:50] <Numn> get*
[22:51] <KM0201> Numn: so what did you uninstall to do this?
[22:52] <Numn> what you told me?
[22:52] <KM0201> xpad?
[22:52] <Numn> yea your instructions
[22:52] <KM0201> you uninsalled xpad, and it rendered your sysem useless?
[22:52] <KM0201> no, you said before, you uninstalled something, and it rendered your system uuseless
[22:53] <Numn> yea it was before i used lubuntu, but i think is the same thing for the whole buntu
[22:53] <KM0201> well, if it was ubuntu, thats fine.. what package was it you uninstalled?
[22:54] <Numn> for what? i used xubuntu then it happend, but i think still i gonna get the same thing in lubuntu
[22:54] <KM0201> ok, then xubuntu... you said you uninstalled a package, that rendered the system useless.. what package did you uninstall that caused this.
[22:56] <Numn> cant remember
[22:57] <KM0201> Numn: ?.. so.. i just wanna mak esure i understand this correctly
[22:57] <KM0201> you apt-get remove a program from Xubuntu, it removes, and apparently removes some other packages, and renders your system useless, and you can't remember which package caused this?
[22:57] <KM0201> i would think i would wanna remembre what package i removed, so i didn't remove it again.
[22:59] <Numn> right, but think was something about the desktop. cus always pops up
[22:59] <KM0201> Numn: unless you actually removed the desktopp package.. ie.. apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop... that's about the only thing that would have caused what you're describing.
[23:00] <KM0201> and then you're system really wouldn't be "useless" (might appear that way to a newb though).. it would just be a CLI system only.
[23:00] <Numn> i can tell that i used synaptic
[23:00] <KM0201> the system would still be fine, you could either reinstall xubuntu-desktop, and it would reinstall all the apps, etc..
[23:01] <KM0201> or you could install another desktop (ubuntu-desktop, lubuntu-desktop, etc.)
[23:01] <KM0201> i duno Numn... strange is all i'll say
[23:02] <Numn> i use lubuntu right im just wanna get rid of some of the apps not the whole desktop
[23:04] <KM0201> Numn: unless you actually remove "lubuntu-desktop" (the package, not the meta package) you should be fine
[23:05] <Numn> i dont know which but it keep telling me its get rid of that to if i remove xpad.. but let me see if something speciel happends after i reboot
[23:06] <KM0201> ok
[23:18] <Numn> KM0201: lol nothing happned.. got rid of xpad lets if not happening then i deletes other
[23:18] <KM0201> Numn: well, thats a relief.. :)
[23:22] <Numn> its kind of weird that i have the desktop.. but it told me to being deleted.. kind of wierd..
[23:26] <Numn> now its deleted its if wanna install xpad if i want myself install lubuntu-desktop
[23:28] <KM0201> Numn: if you wanted to install xpad, just sudo apt-get install xpad (or use synaptic) any thing it needs, it will call for and install automatically for you
[23:28] <KM0201> you don't need to do it manually
[23:29] <Numn> yea, but if want to install lubuntu-desktop again.. xpad is being installed
[23:29] <KM0201> Numn: why are you trying to install lubuntu-desktop?
[23:30] <Numn> cus maybe is need then its installed from the beginning?
[23:30] <KM0201> what you removed, was a metapackage, not the actual package "lubuntu-desktop".. which if you try to apt-get lubuntu-desktop (or use synaptic) then yes, it will install install xpad again..
[23:30] <KM0201> Numn: noo.
[23:30] <KM0201> !metapackage
[23:30] <KM0201> it will get replaced when its needed
[23:30] <KM0201> and it will be removed when its not.
[23:31] <KM0201> thats what a "package manager" does
[23:31] <Numn> what do you mean exacly?
[23:31] <KM0201> ..
[23:31] <KM0201> ok.
[23:32] <KM0201> you said you tried to reinstall lubuntu-desktop... right?
[23:33] <KM0201> you're confusing "lubuntu-desktop" the meta package... with "lubuntu-desktop" the actual package.
[23:33] <Numn> yea in synaptics.. and for me before install it including installing xpad cus i remove it i tihnk :S
[23:33] <Numn> yea i think so.. i think the name comfuse me. or i dont really know which is which?
[23:33] <KM0201> that didn't make any sense at all.
[23:34] <KM0201> well, you're not gonna reinstall the meta package... so don't worry about that.
[23:34] <KM0201> and if you search synaptic for "lubuntu-desktop"   you'll see it's already installed
[23:34] <KM0201> so.. why would you install it again?
[23:34] <Unit193> Ok, the metapackage lubuntu-desktop makes it easy to install Lubuntu the flavor from a minimal install and isn't really needed to keep Lubuntu the flavor
[23:36] <KM0201> Unit193: but i think part o the confusion, might be, that if you "uninstall" lubuntu-desktop"... it'll remove lubuntu-desktop (the gui)
[23:36] <Numn> i thought that
[23:36] <KM0201> least i think it does
[23:36] <KM0201> maybe it doesn't.. cuz i just looked, and lubuntu-desktop is not installed on my system
[23:37] <KM0201> i dunno.
[23:37] <KM0201> Numn: all i can suggest at this point, is don't worry abou tit.
[23:37] <Unit193> KM0201: That's what I said, you don't need to keep if after the flavor is installed
[23:37] <Unit193> I no longer have it installed either
[23:37] <szczur> lubuntu-desktop just depends on other packages. You can safely remove it, because it doesn't provide anything
[23:37] <KM0201> Unit193: yeah
[23:37] <szczur> except those dependencies
[23:38] <Numn> haha, i thought it would the the main package for lubuntu
[23:38] <Numn> uninstall*
[23:39] <KM0201> no
[23:41] <Numn> i hope im not missing something important.
[23:43] <KM0201> Numn: the only thing important you're missing, is Xpad... and you wanted to remove that (so its not important).. all that other stuff you removed, aptitude / synaptic, knew it wasn't needed anymore, probably because of something else you uninstalled, so it removed them also.
[23:43] <KM0201> Numn: if you sudo apt-get autoremove    that will remove any package on your system, that is no longer needed.
[23:44] <Unit193> KM0201: sudo apt-get purge lubuntu-desktop is also ok to do (Just did it in my VM)
[23:44] <Numn> yea but meta package are not really important? then already is a main package
[23:45] <KM0201> Unit193: right (i figured it was since removing it is also ok)...
[23:45] <KM0201> Numn: exactly.
[23:45] <KM0201> Numn: lookk at it this way...
[23:46] <Numn> im trying to understand what the main thing is so i dont go throught this again
[23:46] <KM0201> Numn: if you wanted to install "gnome" on your current box.. you could either go through, and try to find all the gnome apps, etc.. and spend hours looking for them.
[23:46] <KM0201> Numn: or... you could "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"   ubuntu-desktop, is basically going to require everythig you will need, to install a normal, ubuntu desktop (gnome)...
[23:47] <Unit193> Unity ;)
[23:47] <KM0201> that's right.. unity.
[23:50] <Numn> so its kind lika a scale on the real thing right? if i remove lubuntu i remove all Lubuntu kind of apps removed right?
[23:51] <KM0201> yup.
[23:52] <Numn> thx. was the thing i needed to hear :)
[23:57] <KM0201> !faq
[23:57] <KM0201> hmm, not the one i wanted