[00:17] Does anyone have Unity (3D) working with an ATI video card? Mine throws random black rectangles all over the screen. There is a bug report, but no fix. [00:24] I guess not, then.... [00:25] * penguin42 hasn't tried it on his Radeon box - it's running KDE [00:25] ratcheer: Open or closed driver, have you tried the other? [00:25] penguin42: Thanks. [00:27] I don't think Unity 3D will work on the open driver. I'm using fglrx Catalyst 11.6. I know 11.7 is available from ATI, but many others say it doesn't help. [00:27] which card? [00:27] 6770 [00:27] * penguin42 doesn't know the state of the 6xxx cards on the open driver - it's pretty good now on the 4xxx [00:28] Ok, thanks again === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === voidmage-away is now known as voidmage [05:09] can you please do this test: [05:09] time apt-cache dumpavail >/dev/null [05:09] test it both in natty and in oneiric [05:09] for me it is 0.115s in natty versus 3.235s in oneiric. [05:48] why is hte x changed in color [05:50] x ? [05:51] yes to blue [05:51] who decided it [05:52] sorry, I don't know what you mean. (I came here recently) [05:52] ok [06:36] Hey, I have noticed in the file manager if you try and drag a file to your desktop for example from a windows share (smb) it brings up an error saying the function hasn't been implmented, do you think i should report this as a bug? [06:38] ah forget it, i won't... it doesn't seem like it should be lol [06:40] seems like a known issue, probably no need to report a bug [06:41] okay cool [07:15] hi [07:20] meh [08:19] How stable is Oneiric right now? Are the Nvidia drivers working? [08:19] I'm thinking of upgrading, I usually upgrade during alpha. [08:20] ripps, #ubuntu+1 might be helpful. [08:20] opps sorry [08:20] lol [08:41] ripps: working for me i think [08:42] although i'm using nouveau atm. [08:43] Why would I have no sound in my browser when I use s/pdif, even if it works with vlc? [09:30] hm. [09:31] I need help. I ran install in test drive and I can't fill My name, Computer name, User name and password. Check bowes below are ok. [09:33] Is it a bug ? [09:34] do you use 11.10 [09:34] ß [09:34] ? [09:34] alpha 3. Yes. [09:34] ok [09:35] is it usuable ? [09:35] want to chgange form 7 to 11.10 [09:36] no I am experienced ubuntu user. I'm running 11.04 [09:37] I want involv testing [09:37] involve [09:43] I need help. I ran install in test drive and I can't fill My name, Computer name, User name and password. Check bowes below are ok. [10:12] Excuse me. I want to upgrade my "Natty terminal system only" to Oneiric, but I can't do that via apt-get. Can anybody here show me how? [10:14] Stanley00, terminal system? [10:14] bazhang: yes. It's a command line system only. [10:15] do-release-upgrade [10:16] do-release-upgrade -d [10:17] IdleOne: thanks for your help. It working now. [10:51] How to install Oneiric on 2 HDD partitions which I have created? The running primary operating system is Ubuntu Server 11.04 GNOME 2. Nota bene: to install (and not to upgrade). [10:51] bullgard4_: same as a normal install [10:52] ikonia: Can you elaborate. [10:52] bullgard4_: just use the oneiric media [10:52] bullgard4_: do you know how to install ubuntu ? [10:53] ikonia: Certainly not. [10:53] bullgard4_: then you really shouldn't be using a development product if you're not comfortable installing ubuntu as an OS [10:54] ikonia: Note that my question differs from the question: "How to install ubuntu Oneiric." [10:54] bullgard4_: I don't see how it differs [10:54] ikonia: That's the problem. [10:54] you've just asked how to install ubuntu oneirc on 2 hard disk partitions wihtout using an upgrade [10:54] bullgard4_: that is just a standard install [10:55] No, it is not a standard install. [10:55] yes, it is [10:55] unless you have some specific requirement that you're not making clear [10:55] ikonia: So I stop arguing here at this point. [10:56] bullgard4_: it's not an argument, installing ubuntu 11.10 is the same as installing 11.04, the installer is the same [10:56] so unless you have something specific that is outside the scope of the normal installer, it's just a standard install [10:57] is there something specific that's not working for you ? [10:57] No. The installer told me that it cannot install root on two partitions. [10:57] bullgard4_: well, no, that's not possible [10:57] bullgard4_: but you can put different file systems/mount points on multiple partitions, [10:58] But I need two independent operating systems. [10:58] bullgard4_: eg / on disk a, /var on disk b (for example only) [10:58] bullgard4_: that's fine, you just select disk a = / for 11.04 disk b = / for 11.10 [10:59] ikonia: I have only one HDD. [10:59] bullgard4_: ok, you select partition a = / 11.04 partition b = / 11.10 [11:01] bullgard4_: in the installer though, don't reference the other OS, eg: when installing 11.10 - don't reference/configure / for 11.04, only configure / for 11.10 [11:01] ikonia: Exactly this one I tried yesterday. But the 'ubuntu Server 11.04' installer told me that it cannot have two partitions having the root flag. [11:02] bullgard4_: during the installer, only reference 1 partition for / [11:02] hi all, tried a fresh clean install at my laptop (nvidia card) but xserver doesn't start. Neither nv nor nvidia is working. [11:02] bullgard4_: if you want two installations you have to run the installer twice [11:02] ghettoblaster: I suggest logging a bug detailing your card [11:03] ikonia: Right. I will try this. [11:03] how can i try to configure xserver using console, live-cd is working and installation too [11:03] still.. i get no sound while using s/pdif in the browser.. vlc works :/ [11:04] ghettoblaster: try setting the xorg driver to vesa to start the x server in a basic mode [11:06] i know how to change xorg.conf but how do i change setting today? [11:06] ghettoblaster: today ? [11:06] ghettoblaster: the same as yesterday [11:06] as no xorg.conf is used [11:07] ghettoblaster: then you create one [11:07] k, ty ikonia [11:18] ghettoblaster: and please don't crosspost... [11:23] ghettoblaster: so.. what did you do after installing, did it boot even once? [11:24] nope, after installation it hangs before booting x, but switching to console (Alt+F1) is possible [11:27] ghettoblaster: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log [11:28] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! [11:31] i have purged all nvidia packages and reinstalled without errors or warnings [11:32] DKMS: install Completed. and modules are present in /lib/modules/3.0.0-7-generic/updates/dkms/ [11:34] why is there no more alternate iso for kubuntu? [11:37] ghettoblaster: did you do what I told you [11:41] ghettoblaster: how did you install the driver? And it's not installed by default so you should have been able to boot at least once to install it [11:42] using console by apt-get install nvidia-common [11:44] erm... *that* isn't even the driver [11:44] ghettoblaster: please use jockey-text [11:46] ikonia (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. [11:47] mom, jockey-text is searching for drivers... [11:47] it's nvidia-current [11:48] stopped im back on prompt === vivi`d is now known as vivid [11:50] why doesn't it start using (Driver "vesa") when live-cd works fine? [12:08] maybe problem is with daily-live desktop-i386.iso, i'll try with alternate-i386.iso alpha3 fresh install [12:34] Noticeing that Xchat does not always seem to appear when i type in xchat in the applications search listings.. do apps need to somehow register their names now to appear in the searches properly? [12:34] Noticed that the gnome-tweak-tool also does not show up. [12:55] dr_willis, are you able to make xchat open links in a browser? [12:59] dr_willis: I'd assumed it was just that the applications files are there in /usr/share/applications where I can see xchat has a .desktop file [13:00] dr_willis: And it's showing up on the search here [13:04] robin0800, never tried it in a browser. [13:04] penguin42, you just entering 'xchat' and it shows up? or Xchat? [13:05] brb. testing somthing [13:06] dr_willis: lower case x and it shows up [13:07] dr_willis: I have the xchat and xchat-common packages installed [13:09] Ok logged out/back in.. If i use the + Applications button xchat does show up. If i use the TOP button with the Unity Logi [13:10] in the search field. it does not bring up xchat. [13:10] even xchat does not show xchat at all.. Im still not clear on why we need 3 so similer search areas/buttons :) seems a bit confuseing [13:11] dr_willis: Odd, it's all supposedly smart about the ordering to bring up more used stuff first - I suspect it might be being too smart for you [13:11] XChat IRC is showing up in the Most USed Colum now. [13:11] dr_willis: It's back in being very buggy at the moment; windows+number stopped working for me again [13:12] I still dont quite get how the searching works wth the top button. You got the Inital Search. then you can click on APplications, which seems the same as the + button down the panel.. that THEN shows Xchat.. [13:14] but the initial 'search' seems to be supposed for BOTH apps and files.. its not showing up xchat. lets see if it finds that gnome-tweak-tool [13:14] None of the searches are showing 'gnome-tweak-tool' [13:15] that tool must not have a .desktop file included i am guessing. [13:16] well gotta help the wife.. bbl === CarlFK1 is now known as carlfk [13:29] hello [13:29] I've recently dist-upgraded from Natty and... === carlfk is now known as CarlFK [13:32] 1) GDM starts, but when I write my username and pass, nothing happens (Icewm, ubuntu, ubuntu 2d.... doesn't matter) [13:32] well, then I tried using KDM and at least Icewm starts, because Unity (Ubuntu session) shows only a desktop with icons, but no bars at all [13:33] can I solve that? [13:39] yofel: alternate-i386 solved the problem so daily iso seems broken [13:45] so i've got xserver running, but nvidia driver won't [13:46] jockey tells driver is activated but not in use [13:48] nouveau driver is in use, how can change that without breaking graphic interface? [13:50] ghettoblaster, you may have to blacklist the nouveau driver [13:52] ghettoblaster, i had to use nomodeset as a boot option. that disabled the nouveau and let the nvidia driver load. [13:54] it should be blacklisted by /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf [13:54] how did you do that dr_willis [13:55] yea thats what i was thinking also.. but it wasent doing it.. [13:55] added nomodeset to the /etc/default/grub file [13:55] cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf [13:55] blacklist nouveau [13:55] its showing blacklisted here.. It may have been fixed since last week when i switched to nomodeset. [13:56] cat /etc/default/grub | grep nomode [13:56] GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset" [13:57] nomodeset did disable the framebuffer console also.. which was a bit of a bummer. since it only recently started workign rigth for me on this box. [13:59] Hmm. The UbuntuOne Icon in the panel really needs some Items on the RIght Click menu to make it actually usefull. :) like Open Ubuntu One web site, or the folder directly.. show your quota.. [14:00] UbuntuOne is the sort of feature they could really 'market/push' and make Ubuntu Stand out a bit from the others.. make it more then just another Music Store. [14:11] dr_willis didn't help [14:24] ghettoblaster, check the output of dkms status, the other day i had an older version of the nvidia drivers for an older kernel that somehow was affecting the newer kernel/versions. [14:24] other then that - im out of ideas [14:24] except to check bug reports.. [14:25] shows correct kernel version nvidia 280.13 and says installed [14:26] crazy [14:27] dkms status [14:27] nvidia-current, 280.13, 3.0.0-7-generic, i686: installed [14:29] dr_willis, so the 280 is now the nvidia-current driver for oneiric ?, because I already have it installed on natty [14:30] it is [14:31] ghettoblaster, maybe I'll take a chance and upgrade ,...again [14:33] got oneiric on my laptop for testing, 280.13 works like charm on natty ;) [14:34] so you might run in the same problems that nouveau wont leave [14:34] ok, Ill blacklist it [14:34] if needed [14:36] as i said, it didn'work [14:36] don't know why [14:37] BluesKaj, yofel mentioned with nomodeset nouveau can't enable KMS and thus should be un-loadable again [14:38] you did rember to rerun update-grub after adding the nomodeset option? [14:38] rebooted [14:39] mom ill try [14:40] coz , ok thanks for the tip [14:41] BluesKaj, he also mentioned at least for now, for some reasons nouveau gets into the initramfs and blocks the nvidia driver [14:42] coz , ok , is the bug being worked on [14:42] ? [14:43] BluesKaj, I would hope so,, this couldnt be something that would go to release, [14:43] coz_, yeah , no kidding :) [14:43] :) [14:47] lol did forget to update-grub [14:49] nice, KDE hangs at splash, 280.13 still has the nvidia bug with desktop-effects enabled [14:50] ghettoblaster, it shouldn't , 275 didn't ..check your driver ? [14:51] mine is currently --> nvidia-current, 280.13, 3.0.0-7-generic, i686: installed [14:52] working with kde, gnome-shell and unity. [14:52] mine too, but its a geforce 7400 go, nvidia doesnt care bout old hardware [14:54] set OpenGLIsUnsafe=true in kwinrc, lets see if it works [14:54] your problem is you're using kde instead of gnome [14:54] i bet it would work fine in gnome [14:55] ghettoblaster, they had the 7series drivers listed on their recommended list, but some didn't work , so I see they're no longer listed as available as of a few days ago [14:55] on the nvidia site [14:55] hardware makers dont care for old hardware. :) not any profit in it... [14:56] 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2) [14:56] when i use download drivers and choose my card it shows 280.13 [14:56] is what i have.. so its oilder then your hardware I think. [14:57] dr_willis, is that a laptop ...looks like the graphics on our laptop [14:58] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G72M [GeForce Go 7400] (rev a1) [14:59] Dell Latitude D820 [15:00] * BluesKaj waits for the DKMS build [15:01] i think its this problem: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=160115&page=5 [15:14] but anyway ty all for help ;) [15:30] ok, BBL ...I hope [15:56] ok, nomodeset and update grub , did the trick ...280.13 driver is in play === nyuszika7h is now known as I_had_gun === I_had_gun is now known as nyuszika7h [16:17] ok what is this, when I close an application it actually keeps running in the backgrouind, at 100% cpu [16:17] anyone else? [16:18] don't think I've noticed that [16:18] it's each program I've tried so far.. [16:19] rebooting to see if the problem persists [16:20] yep, persists [16:20] wonder what package I should file a bug against... probably unity? [16:22] good a guess as any [16:24] aha [16:24] when I log out, I get "A program is still running" not responding [16:25] clicking logout anyways doesn't do much [16:26] as i installed kubuntu oneiric, is it possible to install ubuntu-desktop and delete kubuntu-desktop completely? [16:26] no config files and any things for kubuntu should be left [16:29] it is possible [16:29] but it's gonna be a lot of work [16:29] ghettoblaster: I know how I'd get rid of most of it, not sure if it would get everything [16:29] if you want all config files, [16:30] ghettoblaster: If you tell it to remote libgtcore4 that's mostly (but not exclusively) used by KDE - it's also used by unity-2d - it'll take out most of KDE along with it [16:30] thought about apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and purge kubuntu-desktop [16:32] bug 822333 [16:32] Launchpad bug 822333 in unity (Ubuntu) "Whenever an appication is closed, 100% cpu is used and process is still running" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/822333 [16:33] Ian_Corne: out of curiosity, are you using nvidia 280.13? [16:35] Ian_Corne: since that sounds like lp 821702 (I had to roll back to 275.09.07 for the moment) [16:35] Launchpad bug 821702 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] Nvidia-current 280.13 hangs up the system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821702 [16:35] yes trism [16:35] I will try reverting [16:36] do you have a link for the older nvidia-current? [16:37] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/275.09.07-0ubuntu4 [16:38] that's not what i wa slooking for hmm [16:40] so theres a bug for nvidia 280.13 in ubuntu also [16:40] hmm, xupdates also has 280 [16:41] Ian_Corne: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/275.09.07-0ubuntu4/+build/2598405 [16:42] Ian_Corne: sorry that is the i386 version, click the amd64 link on your previous link if you need that one [16:42] i found the old package in my /var/cache/apt/archives [16:42] but thanks :) [16:43] I just used nomodeset after upgrading and the 280.13 driver is working well so far in kde 4.7 [16:43] downgrading, will report [16:43] BluesKaj: it seems to be more of a gtk/gnome issue [16:43] trism, yeah ,suspected that [16:46] trism: it doesn't do it anymore [16:46] so it's somewhere between those packages.. [16:50] Ian_Corne, is it a bug or a package issue? if there is a 100% processor usage, then my machine is done :[ [16:50] sorry I missed the logs [16:52] eum, bug i think it happens with all applications I tried [16:52] you can however kill the processes [17:11] What is the command-line command to dist-upgrade from Natty to Oneiric? [17:14] do-release-upgrade -d [17:16] good luck. :) [17:19] jamesbond2: I have started the procedure. -- Thank you. [17:54] jamesbond2: '~$ lsb_release -a; Release: 11.10.' Yepp! [17:55] jamesbond2: But I am cheating. I have installed no GUI yet. [18:47] anyone know how to change the default gdm session to gnome3 from unity? [18:51] escott, dos it show in the login choice? [18:51] *does [18:52] i have the choice but it keeps going back to unity [18:54] you have gnome-shell installed? [18:54] escott, I am reinstalling oneiric again today I will check that out. [18:55] yes [18:56] i guess you could try just running gnome-shell --replace [18:56] i can't say what would happen though [19:04] what's the #ubuntu for vm images? [19:19] hello [19:20] alternatives to unity ? [19:24] GNOME Shell, GNOME 3 Fallback, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, a plethora of window managers [19:24] is gnome shell included by defualt in 11.10 ? [19:24] [19:25] xD [19:25] xD [19:25] no [19:25] it is not [19:25] thelala: nope [19:26] okay and how to install fallback [19:26] gnome 3 fallback gnome 3 [19:26] install gnome-session-fallback, select from GDM [19:28] how can i install gnome3 in ubuntu 11.10 [19:28] Ubuntu 11.10 comes with GNOME 3 out of the box. [19:28] thelala, install gnome-session [19:28] rww i asked that before [19:28] rather gnome-shell sorry [20:56] hey guys, just trying to run unity 2D and getting this: unity-2d-launcher: [FATAL] Settings schema 'com.canonical.Unity2d.Launcher' is not installed I found this: https://code.launchpad.net/~fboucault/unity-2d/dconf_migration_super_key/+merge/67971 [20:56] is there a dconf editor app? [20:57] ActionParsnip: dconf-editor is in the dconf-tools package [20:57] yeah just found :) has anyone else had this? === italo is now known as italoxp [21:03] evening micro dots of Existence [21:03] hello! [21:04] hey Ian [21:11] word [21:23] writer* [21:23] :p [21:26] pencil [21:29] syllable? [21:55] what's with the digital clock not using the settings 12hr AMPM that are applied , the 12hr time shows in the KDE control module , but the panel shows 24 hr time ...what gives ? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [22:53] is it a gnome clock? [22:53] BluesKaj, see above [23:06] okay, it's getting annoying: when I click once in reality, about 30% of the times i click i get a double click. Why? [23:07] Machtin, and you confirmed they are true double clicks in xev? [23:07] nope, i have not [23:12] escott: hm, don't know exactly, but i sometimes get two keymapnotifys and two releasenotifys by one click [23:12] that's what you mean? [23:14] Machtin, thats not supposed to happen, and must be what is causing your double clicks. it could be the mouse hardware is shorting and sending the click twice [23:18] hmm, why does he get two keymapnotifys then escott ? [23:18] maybe it's his entire usb [23:18] i wanted to say usb bus but that would be stupid.. [23:19] Machtin: have you tried plugging in your keyboard/mouse in the front/back usb ports? [23:19] Ian_Corne, it could also be a bug in the usb hid layer, but it seems unlikely it would be software one would think it would happen to others/be more consistent [23:20] uhu [23:20] works on windows and worked on 11.10 a couple of days back [23:20] Machtin, i think its virtually impossible but you could check that xinput doesn't list your mouse multiple times [23:20] Machtin: and it works on windows still at present? [23:20] Machtin, but if the mouse was truely duplicated in the xinput layer it should happen with every click [23:22] Ian_Corne: I'm pretty sure.. I'm on Ubuntu at this point [23:22] ok [23:22] escott: just checked to be sure, it's not double [23:22] I'm searching for similar behavior posted anywhere [23:23] hm.. i'll check the mouse settings [23:23] but it's strange.. i simply do not click twice. :P [23:23] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/550047 [23:23] Ubuntu bug 550047 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Spurious mouse events cause double clicks" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:23] like this? [23:24] yes, pretty much like that one [23:24] well, you got a starting point there [23:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/365300 [23:25] Ubuntu bug 365300 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Randomly I get double clicks when I do a single click." [Medium,Confirmed] [23:25] hrmf [23:25] niniendowarrior (niniendowarrior) wrote on 2011-06-27: [23:25] last comment [23:25] that's not too long ago [23:26] this is the search query: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=double+mouse+event&field.actions.search=Search [23:27] hm, strange since i rebooted several times since i noticed it [23:27] but i'll change the port.. who knows [23:28] well, when I read the comments, rebooting/changing won't really help [23:28] yah. [23:32] yup.. didn't do anything [23:36] BUGabundo, are you getting chromium hanging sometimes when using the back button? [23:37] it's actually reported on their bugtracker as 89798 [23:54] bug 89798 [23:54] Launchpad bug 89798 in Launchpad itself "Able to link UI widgets for enabling/disabling" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/89798 [23:54] ah [23:54] on their :p [23:55] bjsnider: are you using the nightlies/daylies? [23:57] yes i are