[02:02] <paultag> pleia2: do you happen to be about?
[02:46] <pleia2> paultag: am now
[03:02] <paultag> pleia2: shoot, I forget what I was going to ask you
[03:02] <paultag> dang
[03:02] <pleia2> :P
[03:02] <paultag> oh well. Hope you're well
[03:02] <pleia2> yep yep
[03:02] <pleia2> tomorrow we're heading over to one of the partimus schools to ubuntu them up
[03:03] <paultag> pleia2: nice! :)
[03:03] <paultag> pleia2: I'd love to see photos :)
[03:03]  * pleia2 will take some :)
[03:03] <pleia2> it's one of the schools we don't have pictures of yet, so I'm excited to go
[03:03] <pleia2> I've only been over there once, and only got to see their icky windows lab
[03:03] <paultag> nice! :)
[03:04] <paultag> good to know it's being purged :)
[03:04] <pleia2> unfortunately it's not
[03:04] <paultag> ah, blerg
[03:04] <pleia2> once upon a time we ran their lab, then HP came along with a $30k grant for all new vista machines
[03:04] <pleia2> but the teachers still wanted linux machines, so now we put them in classrooms
[03:04] <pleia2> meanwhile half the windows PCs won't boot after a year because their unmaintained and the lab is a disaster
[03:05] <pleia2> s/their/they're
[03:05] <paultag> jeez
[03:05] <paultag> shows them
[03:05] <pleia2> http://blog.partimus.org/?p=63 is a little about the schools
[03:05] <pleia2> school
[03:06] <pleia2> the guy who wrote that is always disappointed when people don't care about "freedom" but I
[03:06] <pleia2> 'm all "they're using linux just because it's awesome? awesome!"
[03:06] <paultag> hahaha
[03:06] <pleia2> we won, we can all go home now :)
[03:07] <paultag> pleia2: Oh! You're a sysadmin type!
[03:07] <pleia2> yeppers
[03:07] <paultag> pleia2: So I'm working on Syn actively again
[03:07] <paultag> pleia2: what's some things that you wish dpkg did that would make you say "Cool!" ?
[03:07] <pleia2> hmm
[03:08] <pleia2> not suck with config files
[03:08] <paultag> humm
[03:09] <pleia2> at least make a .old when you replace your config file with the new one
[03:09] <pleia2> like it makes -dpkg
[03:09] <paultag> pleia2: well what's interesting is that it can't klobber it
[03:10] <paultag> pleia2: since it uses similinks, so I think I might be able to use md5 voodoo to extract local changes and see if I can't push it back out
[03:10] <pleia2> hmm
[03:10] <pleia2> so already it detects whether it was locally modified, if not it just replaces it
[03:10] <pleia2> the problem comes in when you have to manage ones you edited, it's tedious and if you tell it to replace it anyway *poof* your old config is gone
[03:11] <pleia2> plus it holds up the whole upgrade process until you answer the question about the config file
[03:11] <paultag> pleia2: what I'm doing is when you do a new install, it installs the package to /syn/b/bash/4.3/1/root/bin/bash, so if you had .../root/etc/conf1, then it will stay in that directory
[03:12] <pleia2> oh I see
[03:12] <paultag> pleia2: I could write a tool that would let you view all sources that point at a file and look "back" in time 
[03:12] <pleia2> what about changes you make to configs?
[03:12] <paultag> pleia2: it would divert that to the /syn/ tree
[03:12] <pleia2> I see
[03:12] <paultag> pleia2: so it should be trivial to see all versions of, say, /etc/httpd.conf that exist in the syn tree
[03:12] <pleia2> yeah, that's nice
[03:12] <paultag> and yank the old one back or something
[03:12] <pleia2> I hate config files :)
[03:12] <paultag> pleia2: is that close?
[03:13] <pleia2> yeah that's cool
[03:13] <paultag> cool :)
[03:13] <pleia2> ok here's one, a way to do dist-ugprade --exclude kernel-package-that-will-explode-my-machine
[03:13] <paultag> pleia2: hahaha, totally
[03:13] <pleia2> you can just do "apt-get install everything-but-stupid-package-you-don't-want" but that breaks dependencies
[03:14] <pleia2> dependencies end up being marked as installed on their own
[03:14] <paultag> hahahahaha
[03:14] <pleia2> seriously, that's what I do now, it sucks
[03:14] <pleia2> pinning can help, but if it's just a package I want to upgrade tomorrow rather than today it's an annoying thing to do
[03:15] <paultag> oh I see
[03:15] <pleia2> oh yeah, and I want a pinning process that doesn't suck :)
[03:15] <paultag> pleia2: I'm hoping if I do the multi-version thing right, it should be easier to do that
[03:17] <pleia2> ah, aptitude's ncurses interface allows you to hold stuff
[03:17] <pleia2> (just asked my fiance, he uses aptitude, I don't)
[03:17] <paultag> ah cool
[03:20] <paultag> pleia2: anything else I should build in?
[03:20] <pleia2> download speed limits on upgrades :)
[03:21] <pleia2> --max_download_speed=1M
[03:23] <paultag> pleia2: I'll worry about networked installs after it's working :)
[03:23] <pleia2> fair enough
[03:23] <paultag> :)
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:46] <TrickyJ> Hey hi
[16:47] <TrickyJ> !Ronnie ?
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[16:48] <TrickyJ> hey guys was ronnie there today ?
[16:48] <TrickyJ> YoBoY, did u sw ronnie 
[16:48] <TrickyJ> ny was friends happy friendship day :)
[16:49] <czajkowski> TrickyJ: Ronnie isn't even here 
[16:53] <TrickyJ> oh ok czajkowski 
[21:38] <TrickyJ> !ronnie
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[21:39] <TrickyJ> !trickyj
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