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| astraljava | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is astraljava. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| astraljava | Hi guys, who's with me? | 17:00 |
| scott-upstairs | present | 17:00 |
| astraljava | Let's give it a minute, for others to join (if any) | 17:01 |
| astraljava | Meanwhile, whoever's here can take one last look at the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011August7 | 17:01 |
| ailo | I'm here | 17:02 |
| scott-upstairs | heh, not much on the agenda | 17:03 |
| astraljava | No, not really. Alright, we're on. | 17:03 |
| astraljava | [TOPIC] Old business | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Old business | 17:03 |
| astraljava | We have on our plates the move to have Xubuntu as the foundation. | 17:04 |
| ailo | How's that coming along? I haven't tried installing yet. | 17:04 |
| astraljava | We've been working on the desktop seed to accommodate a working desktop, but that still retains the workflow. | 17:04 |
| astraljava | It's not working, as the updated seed isn't there to spin the disk on. | 17:05 |
| scott-upstairs | i haven't asked luke to push the changes since we made the additional changes, astraljava | 17:05 |
| astraljava | I've been asking feedback on the changes. | 17:05 |
| astraljava | But haven't gotten much. | 17:05 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: Are we ready to go with that, then? | 17:05 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i think so, i just haven't bugged luke about it | 17:05 |
| astraljava | Okay, well I'll do that after the meeting, if it's alright with everybody? | 17:06 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, it's good with me | 17:06 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] astraljava to ask Luke to update seeds | 17:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: astraljava to ask Luke to update seeds | 17:07 |
| astraljava | Another thing is testing documentation. It's on me too, but I haven't had time for that. I'll get on it during the beginning week, though. | 17:07 |
| astraljava | I'm participating in Xubuntu testing, so I have experience and access to their docs and workflows. | 17:08 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] astraljava to work on testing documentation | 17:08 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: astraljava to work on testing documentation | 17:08 |
| astraljava | Ok, what else is old? | 17:08 |
| ailo | UbuntuStudio Documentation, US-controls.. | 17:09 |
| ailo | Testing script | 17:09 |
| astraljava | Right, let's just with plain documentation. How's that going, and is anyone responsible for it in the first place? | 17:09 |
| ailo | Those were some things I was supposed to work on, but not much has happened. Though, I'm sure we can at least have a good solid, though simple documentation ready for the release | 17:09 |
| astraljava | ailo: Can you still be tasked with those? I can take the script as it kinda goes with the other testing-related issues. | 17:10 |
| astraljava | And it doesn't mean you have to do everything by yourself. It's just good to have someone driving the issue. | 17:10 |
| scott-upstairs | i had committed to helping with documentation as well | 17:10 |
| ailo | I will definitely want to finish the documentation together with ScottL | 17:11 |
| scott-upstairs | but before we begin the documentation proper we still needed to come to an understanding about direction | 17:11 |
| astraljava | Okay, so can we discuss that right now? We've only got 2 months till the release. | 17:11 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] ailo and astraljava to work on the testing script | 17:12 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ailo and astraljava to work on the testing script | 17:12 |
| scott-upstairs | i want to caution us from being too ambitious | 17:13 |
| ailo | I have some good ideas on the documentation, that are very sketchy at the moment | 17:13 |
| scott-upstairs | i mean in terms of quantity of tasks, i think we have historically taken on too many different tasks and accomplished very little | 17:13 |
| astraljava | I agree with Scott, we should have like a minimal set that needs to be done prior the release. Documentation is an on-going business, as a whole. | 17:14 |
| ailo | So, we do one thing at the time? | 17:14 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: Oh, you meant the whole thing? Well, yes. We sadly don't have that many contributors at the moment. | 17:14 |
| scott-upstairs | no, no | 17:14 |
| scott-upstairs | i meant that individually we tend to overburden ourselves | 17:14 |
| scott-upstairs | i have 8 things i'm doing right now supposedly and completing none | 17:15 |
| astraljava | I think we're all there. :) | 17:15 |
| astraljava | But let's see; testing documentation (possibly including the script), general docs, -controls. | 17:16 |
| astraljava | That's not too much, on top of the migration to Xubuntu as the base. | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | i would think that if ailo and i can agree on a framework for documentation then i can start on it, | 17:17 |
| ailo | Since I've been so late in starting developing us-controls, I don't think it will be an easy task to complete it for this release. | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | while he moves onto the -controls | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | heh, nevermind ;) | 17:17 |
| astraljava | ailo: Ok, we can take that out, then. | 17:17 |
| ailo | btw, do we have a deadline for it, when it needs to be finished? | 17:17 |
| scott-upstairs | the documentation? | 17:18 |
| scott-upstairs | or -controls | 17:18 |
| ailo | yea, -controls | 17:18 |
| astraljava | ailo: Basically, next week. That's when the feature freeze kicks in. We could get an exception, but really, we can just push it a release. | 17:18 |
| scott-upstairs | not really, the package has been removed form the seeds i beleive | 17:18 |
| ailo | So, no exeption? | 17:19 |
| ailo | I think it's not realistic to have it finished by the time for Oneiric | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Might be best not to. There's gonna be enough work on the seeds as it is. | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | i would rather not rush it | 17:19 |
| scott-upstairs | let's do it right and test it well | 17:19 |
| astraljava | Good, reached consensus, then. | 17:20 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] Move -controls to the next release | 17:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Move -controls to the next release | 17:20 |
| scott-upstairs | for the xfce transition, we really still need to do some good testing of the daily image | 17:21 |
| scott-upstairs | i fear there were other issues that was causing the image to be uninstallable | 17:21 |
| scott-upstairs | i had troubles | 17:21 |
| astraljava | Absolutely. I will get that underway starting tomorrow. | 17:21 |
| scott-upstairs | rlamerio had troubles as well | 17:21 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] astraljava to look into cdimage issues | 17:22 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: astraljava to look into cdimage issues | 17:22 |
| astraljava | If you have some logs from the failed installations, please send them to me. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | I'll document this on the testing docs, though. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | So you don't have to guess which ones etc. | 17:23 |
| scott-upstairs | i do not have them anymore | 17:23 |
| astraljava | That's okay, but from now on. | 17:23 |
| scott-upstairs | by the way, getting logs from an installation would be a good page for the documentation | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Yep, that's what I was trying to refer to, just above. :) | 17:23 |
| astraljava | Okay, so still about the general docs, are we going through that now, or will you discuss it outside the meeting? | 17:24 |
| ailo | I think it's better I present what I have done outside of the meeting, and we work on that | 17:24 |
| astraljava | Is this ok with scott-upstairs ? | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | i have a generalized list of how i thought the documentaton should go | 17:25 |
| ailo | I have used ScottL's work as reference as well | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | hold on... | 17:25 |
| scott-upstairs | here is a link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos | 17:26 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, ^^^ | 17:26 |
| * astraljava looks | 17:26 | |
| astraljava | IMHO, that's got a really good structure. | 17:27 |
| ailo | It's pretty much the same as what I have been doing | 17:27 |
| scott-upstairs | my thought was that once we had the basic structure then we could each turn loose on make the pages | 17:28 |
| scott-upstairs | we could pick the ones we wanted or organize which to do | 17:28 |
| ailo | The introduction part seems like your bit, scott-upstairs | 17:28 |
| astraljava | Sounds good to me. Hopefully, we'll get others to join in as well. | 17:28 |
| ailo | I may have some opinions on the structure as a whole | 17:29 |
| scott-upstairs | ailo, certainly | 17:30 |
| ailo | holstein was interested in helping out | 17:30 |
| ailo | I would say his area of expertise is using it for audio tasks | 17:31 |
| ailo | Using US, that is | 17:31 |
| astraljava | True, we'd need more of those anyway. | 17:31 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm not sure holstein will want to be involved in the structure too much, but i think he will add pages | 17:32 |
| astraljava | Yeah, it's better to chop it to pieces that other people can handle, and you guys keep the reins on the whole. | 17:32 |
| astraljava | Okay, well, you two work on the structure more outside the meeting, then. | 17:33 |
| astraljava | Can we move on, now? | 17:33 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] ailo and scott-upstairs to work on the documentation structure | 17:33 |
| scott-upstairs | sure :) | 17:33 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ailo and scott-upstairs to work on the documentation structure | 17:33 |
| astraljava | Is there any other old business, still? | 17:34 |
| astraljava | I suppose not. | 17:34 |
| astraljava | [TOPIC] Updates | 17:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Updates | 17:34 |
| astraljava | Did we release Alpha-3 at all? | 17:35 |
| astraljava | I'm sorry to say this one slipped past me, unfortunately. | 17:35 |
| scott-upstairs | yes, sort of | 17:35 |
| scott-upstairs | i talked to skaet about not releasing it official, i.e. not publishing it on the QA website, but i think it happened anyways | 17:36 |
| scott-upstairs | i was too late i think | 17:36 |
| astraljava | Ok. | 17:36 |
| astraljava | Well, we'll have to work much harder for beta, cause it's a bit sad that people interested in the devel release cannot depend on us now. | 17:36 |
| astraljava | Beta is 3 weeks in, so we've got some time, fortunately. | 17:37 |
| astraljava | So, if possible, please do download dailies, and try to test them. | 17:38 |
| astraljava | In the coming testing documents, I'll try to arrange something centralized so that we can track the progress. | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm disappointed that we don't have more help doing this | 17:38 |
| * astraljava is too | 17:38 | |
| scott-upstairs | i wonder if our user's are just not motiviated to help | 17:38 |
| astraljava | We're in a bad state at the moment. | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | or is it something we can do better | 17:38 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i agree | 17:39 |
| scott-upstairs | it was pretty bad when i got involved and i wonder if this just isn't a band aid | 17:39 |
| astraljava | I would imagine, come a decent release with Xubuntu as the base, we could gain more popularity and newly-found respect, though. | 17:39 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: I think there are just coincidences, people getting other commitments and such. | 17:39 |
| astraljava | If we can just work a little harder, who we have now, and manage to build a solid release, I'm fairly confident there will be new contributors too. | 17:40 |
| astraljava | Plus, the new bond with the Xubuntu devel people, will help us in a way. | 17:41 |
| astraljava | I think it's easier to get in touch with them, as it was with the vanilla devel people. | 17:41 |
| astraljava | But that could be just a misunderstanding. | 17:42 |
| astraljava | I wasn't too involved with the foundations before the switch. | 17:42 |
| astraljava | Okay, are there other updates? | 17:42 |
| astraljava | Oh, we got mudita24 since the last meeting. | 17:43 |
| astraljava | Must check it gets to the updated seeds. | 17:43 |
| astraljava | Okay, moving on. | 17:43 |
| astraljava | [TOPIC] Any Other Business | 17:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any Other Business | 17:43 |
| astraljava | Your chance to voice anything that's bugging your mind. | 17:44 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, you might then update the seeds to include mudita24 before talking to luke | 17:44 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: Yes, I'll do that. | 17:44 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] astraljava to update the sound seed to include mudita24 | 17:44 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: astraljava to update the sound seed to include mudita24 | 17:44 |
| scott-upstairs | right, i've got something to say | 17:45 |
| scott-upstairs | i'm at a point where i'm feeling overwhelmed, this isn't fun anymore, and i don't feel like i'm effective | 17:45 |
| scott-upstairs | i committed to staying until the end of this cycle, but i don't know what will happen after that | 17:46 |
| scott-upstairs | a variety of things could happen, i could step down as lead but still help on a limited scale | 17:47 |
| scott-upstairs | it's possible that i need to take a break completely away for a cycle or two | 17:47 |
| scott-upstairs | i don't know | 17:47 |
| astraljava | Understandable. You've had your fair share of awesomeness, and I'm sure it's quite tiring. | 17:47 |
| astraljava | Do you think you will reach a decision by October's meeting? | 17:48 |
| ailo | Who could be able to fill scott-upstairs shoes? | 17:48 |
| astraljava | ailo: Not many, but someone's gotta try. | 17:48 |
| scott-upstairs | astraljava, i don't know, but my feeling currently is that i need to step down but commit to a subset of tasks | 17:49 |
| scott-upstairs | like testing and documentation | 17:49 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: Well, we're gonna have to discuss that on October's meeting anyway, as the new cycle begins not after that anyhow. | 17:50 |
| astraljava | Don't take it the wrong way, though. I'm not putting any pressure on you. | 17:50 |
| astraljava | But I will totally support you in your decision, and if no-one else shows up, will volunteer for the position, if accepted. | 17:50 |
| scott-upstairs | ack | 17:51 |
| astraljava | You've done a terrific job, I must say. | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | heh, thank you | 17:53 |
| astraljava | It's just unfortunate the time was so challenging. | 17:53 |
| ailo | I agree | 17:53 |
| astraljava | It must have burnt you sooner than expected. | 17:53 |
| ailo | Maybe scott-upstairs has a good point in that the tasks for US should be minimized | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | that may be very true | 17:53 |
| scott-upstairs | ailo, i think that is very large issue | 17:54 |
| astraljava | Okay, well, we'll discuss the leadership issue in October's meeting the latest. | 17:55 |
| astraljava | scott-upstairs: Feel free to add it on September's agenda, if you reach a decision sooner than that. | 17:55 |
| astraljava | Is there still any other business? | 17:55 |
| astraljava | Right, moving on, then. | 17:57 |
| astraljava | [TOPIC] Next Meeting Time/Location | 17:57 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Next Meeting Time/Location | 17:57 |
| astraljava | As per the procedure, we'll gather together again the first Sunday of the new month. | 17:57 |
| astraljava | That makes it the 4th of September. | 17:57 |
| scott-upstairs | sounds good | 17:58 |
| astraljava | It's already in the calendar. | 17:58 |
| astraljava | [LINK] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ | 17:58 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ | 17:58 |
| astraljava | 1700 UTC is good for everybody? | 17:58 |
| ailo | Yep | 17:59 |
| astraljava | Scott? | 17:59 |
| scott-upstairs | sure | 17:59 |
| astraljava | Great, so the next meeting is on 4th of Sept., 1700 UTC, @ #ubuntu-meeting. | 18:00 |
| astraljava | [TOPIC] Next Meeting Chair | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Next Meeting Chair | 18:00 |
| astraljava | It's a good idea to keep rotating the chair. | 18:00 |
| astraljava | But, given we're a very limited bunch at the moment, are there volunteers for this? | 18:00 |
| ailo | Nope ;) | 18:01 |
| astraljava | holstein has done it previously, as well as Scott, but are there other takers? | 18:01 |
| astraljava | ailo: Noted. :) | 18:01 |
| astraljava | Okay, well, I can do it again the next time, and holstein can take it over if he feels like it. | 18:02 |
| scott-upstairs | sorry guys but i need to go...talk to you later | 18:02 |
| astraljava | [ACTION] astraljava to chair next meeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: astraljava to chair next meeting | 18:02 |
| astraljava | Right, I guess that concludes our meeting for tonight. | 18:02 |
| astraljava | Thanks for the participants for keeping Ubuntu Studio afloat! :) | 18:03 |
| astraljava | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:03. | 18:03 |
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