=== txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === Mkaysi_ is now known as Mkaysi [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is astraljava. [17:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:00] Hi guys, who's with me? [17:00] present [17:01] Let's give it a minute, for others to join (if any) [17:01] Meanwhile, whoever's here can take one last look at the agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011August7 [17:02] I'm here [17:03] heh, not much on the agenda [17:03] No, not really. Alright, we're on. [17:03] [TOPIC] Old business [17:03] New Topic: Old business [17:04] We have on our plates the move to have Xubuntu as the foundation. [17:04] How's that coming along? I haven't tried installing yet. [17:04] We've been working on the desktop seed to accommodate a working desktop, but that still retains the workflow. [17:05] It's not working, as the updated seed isn't there to spin the disk on. [17:05] i haven't asked luke to push the changes since we made the additional changes, astraljava [17:05] I've been asking feedback on the changes. [17:05] But haven't gotten much. [17:05] scott-upstairs: Are we ready to go with that, then? [17:05] astraljava, i think so, i just haven't bugged luke about it [17:06] Okay, well I'll do that after the meeting, if it's alright with everybody? [17:06] astraljava, it's good with me [17:07] [ACTION] astraljava to ask Luke to update seeds [17:07] ACTION received: astraljava to ask Luke to update seeds [17:07] Another thing is testing documentation. It's on me too, but I haven't had time for that. I'll get on it during the beginning week, though. [17:08] I'm participating in Xubuntu testing, so I have experience and access to their docs and workflows. [17:08] [ACTION] astraljava to work on testing documentation [17:08] ACTION received: astraljava to work on testing documentation [17:08] Ok, what else is old? [17:09] UbuntuStudio Documentation, US-controls.. [17:09] Testing script [17:09] Right, let's just with plain documentation. How's that going, and is anyone responsible for it in the first place? [17:09] Those were some things I was supposed to work on, but not much has happened. Though, I'm sure we can at least have a good solid, though simple documentation ready for the release [17:10] ailo: Can you still be tasked with those? I can take the script as it kinda goes with the other testing-related issues. [17:10] And it doesn't mean you have to do everything by yourself. It's just good to have someone driving the issue. [17:10] i had committed to helping with documentation as well [17:11] I will definitely want to finish the documentation together with ScottL [17:11] but before we begin the documentation proper we still needed to come to an understanding about direction [17:11] Okay, so can we discuss that right now? We've only got 2 months till the release. [17:12] [ACTION] ailo and astraljava to work on the testing script [17:12] ACTION received: ailo and astraljava to work on the testing script [17:13] i want to caution us from being too ambitious [17:13] I have some good ideas on the documentation, that are very sketchy at the moment [17:13] i mean in terms of quantity of tasks, i think we have historically taken on too many different tasks and accomplished very little [17:14] I agree with Scott, we should have like a minimal set that needs to be done prior the release. Documentation is an on-going business, as a whole. [17:14] So, we do one thing at the time? [17:14] scott-upstairs: Oh, you meant the whole thing? Well, yes. We sadly don't have that many contributors at the moment. [17:14] no, no [17:14] i meant that individually we tend to overburden ourselves [17:15] i have 8 things i'm doing right now supposedly and completing none [17:15] I think we're all there. :) [17:16] But let's see; testing documentation (possibly including the script), general docs, -controls. [17:17] That's not too much, on top of the migration to Xubuntu as the base. [17:17] i would think that if ailo and i can agree on a framework for documentation then i can start on it, [17:17] Since I've been so late in starting developing us-controls, I don't think it will be an easy task to complete it for this release. [17:17] while he moves onto the -controls [17:17] heh, nevermind ;) [17:17] ailo: Ok, we can take that out, then. [17:17] btw, do we have a deadline for it, when it needs to be finished? [17:18] the documentation? [17:18] or -controls [17:18] yea, -controls [17:18] ailo: Basically, next week. That's when the feature freeze kicks in. We could get an exception, but really, we can just push it a release. [17:18] not really, the package has been removed form the seeds i beleive [17:19] So, no exeption? [17:19] I think it's not realistic to have it finished by the time for Oneiric [17:19] Might be best not to. There's gonna be enough work on the seeds as it is. [17:19] i would rather not rush it [17:19] let's do it right and test it well [17:20] Good, reached consensus, then. [17:20] [ACTION] Move -controls to the next release [17:20] ACTION received: Move -controls to the next release [17:21] for the xfce transition, we really still need to do some good testing of the daily image [17:21] i fear there were other issues that was causing the image to be uninstallable [17:21] i had troubles [17:21] Absolutely. I will get that underway starting tomorrow. [17:21] rlamerio had troubles as well [17:22] [ACTION] astraljava to look into cdimage issues [17:22] ACTION received: astraljava to look into cdimage issues [17:22] If you have some logs from the failed installations, please send them to me. [17:22] I'll document this on the testing docs, though. [17:23] So you don't have to guess which ones etc. [17:23] i do not have them anymore [17:23] That's okay, but from now on. [17:23] by the way, getting logs from an installation would be a good page for the documentation [17:23] Yep, that's what I was trying to refer to, just above. :) [17:24] Okay, so still about the general docs, are we going through that now, or will you discuss it outside the meeting? [17:24] I think it's better I present what I have done outside of the meeting, and we work on that [17:25] Is this ok with scott-upstairs ? [17:25] i have a generalized list of how i thought the documentaton should go [17:25] I have used ScottL's work as reference as well [17:25] hold on... [17:26] here is a link: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos [17:26] astraljava, ^^^ [17:26] * astraljava looks [17:27] IMHO, that's got a really good structure. [17:27] It's pretty much the same as what I have been doing [17:28] my thought was that once we had the basic structure then we could each turn loose on make the pages [17:28] we could pick the ones we wanted or organize which to do [17:28] The introduction part seems like your bit, scott-upstairs [17:28] Sounds good to me. Hopefully, we'll get others to join in as well. [17:29] I may have some opinions on the structure as a whole [17:30] ailo, certainly [17:30] holstein was interested in helping out [17:31] I would say his area of expertise is using it for audio tasks [17:31] Using US, that is [17:31] True, we'd need more of those anyway. [17:32] i'm not sure holstein will want to be involved in the structure too much, but i think he will add pages [17:32] Yeah, it's better to chop it to pieces that other people can handle, and you guys keep the reins on the whole. [17:33] Okay, well, you two work on the structure more outside the meeting, then. [17:33] Can we move on, now? [17:33] [ACTION] ailo and scott-upstairs to work on the documentation structure [17:33] sure :) [17:33] ACTION received: ailo and scott-upstairs to work on the documentation structure [17:34] Is there any other old business, still? [17:34] I suppose not. [17:34] [TOPIC] Updates [17:34] New Topic: Updates [17:35] Did we release Alpha-3 at all? [17:35] I'm sorry to say this one slipped past me, unfortunately. [17:35] yes, sort of [17:36] i talked to skaet about not releasing it official, i.e. not publishing it on the QA website, but i think it happened anyways [17:36] i was too late i think [17:36] Ok. [17:36] Well, we'll have to work much harder for beta, cause it's a bit sad that people interested in the devel release cannot depend on us now. [17:37] Beta is 3 weeks in, so we've got some time, fortunately. [17:38] So, if possible, please do download dailies, and try to test them. [17:38] In the coming testing documents, I'll try to arrange something centralized so that we can track the progress. [17:38] i'm disappointed that we don't have more help doing this [17:38] * astraljava is too [17:38] i wonder if our user's are just not motiviated to help [17:38] We're in a bad state at the moment. [17:38] or is it something we can do better [17:39] astraljava, i agree [17:39] it was pretty bad when i got involved and i wonder if this just isn't a band aid [17:39] I would imagine, come a decent release with Xubuntu as the base, we could gain more popularity and newly-found respect, though. [17:39] scott-upstairs: I think there are just coincidences, people getting other commitments and such. [17:40] If we can just work a little harder, who we have now, and manage to build a solid release, I'm fairly confident there will be new contributors too. [17:41] Plus, the new bond with the Xubuntu devel people, will help us in a way. [17:41] I think it's easier to get in touch with them, as it was with the vanilla devel people. [17:42] But that could be just a misunderstanding. [17:42] I wasn't too involved with the foundations before the switch. [17:42] Okay, are there other updates? [17:43] Oh, we got mudita24 since the last meeting. [17:43] Must check it gets to the updated seeds. [17:43] Okay, moving on. [17:43] [TOPIC] Any Other Business [17:43] New Topic: Any Other Business [17:44] Your chance to voice anything that's bugging your mind. [17:44] astraljava, you might then update the seeds to include mudita24 before talking to luke [17:44] scott-upstairs: Yes, I'll do that. [17:44] [ACTION] astraljava to update the sound seed to include mudita24 [17:44] ACTION received: astraljava to update the sound seed to include mudita24 [17:45] right, i've got something to say [17:45] i'm at a point where i'm feeling overwhelmed, this isn't fun anymore, and i don't feel like i'm effective [17:46] i committed to staying until the end of this cycle, but i don't know what will happen after that [17:47] a variety of things could happen, i could step down as lead but still help on a limited scale [17:47] it's possible that i need to take a break completely away for a cycle or two [17:47] i don't know [17:47] Understandable. You've had your fair share of awesomeness, and I'm sure it's quite tiring. [17:48] Do you think you will reach a decision by October's meeting? [17:48] Who could be able to fill scott-upstairs shoes? [17:48] ailo: Not many, but someone's gotta try. [17:49] astraljava, i don't know, but my feeling currently is that i need to step down but commit to a subset of tasks [17:49] like testing and documentation [17:50] scott-upstairs: Well, we're gonna have to discuss that on October's meeting anyway, as the new cycle begins not after that anyhow. [17:50] Don't take it the wrong way, though. I'm not putting any pressure on you. [17:50] But I will totally support you in your decision, and if no-one else shows up, will volunteer for the position, if accepted. [17:51] ack [17:53] You've done a terrific job, I must say. [17:53] heh, thank you [17:53] It's just unfortunate the time was so challenging. [17:53] I agree [17:53] It must have burnt you sooner than expected. [17:53] Maybe scott-upstairs has a good point in that the tasks for US should be minimized [17:53] that may be very true [17:54] ailo, i think that is very large issue [17:55] Okay, well, we'll discuss the leadership issue in October's meeting the latest. [17:55] scott-upstairs: Feel free to add it on September's agenda, if you reach a decision sooner than that. [17:55] Is there still any other business? [17:57] Right, moving on, then. [17:57] [TOPIC] Next Meeting Time/Location [17:57] New Topic: Next Meeting Time/Location [17:57] As per the procedure, we'll gather together again the first Sunday of the new month. [17:57] That makes it the 4th of September. [17:58] sounds good [17:58] It's already in the calendar. [17:58] [LINK] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ [17:58] LINK received: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ [17:58] 1700 UTC is good for everybody? [17:59] Yep [17:59] Scott? [17:59] sure [18:00] Great, so the next meeting is on 4th of Sept., 1700 UTC, @ #ubuntu-meeting. [18:00] [TOPIC] Next Meeting Chair [18:00] New Topic: Next Meeting Chair [18:00] It's a good idea to keep rotating the chair. [18:00] But, given we're a very limited bunch at the moment, are there volunteers for this? [18:01] Nope ;) [18:01] holstein has done it previously, as well as Scott, but are there other takers? [18:01] ailo: Noted. :) [18:02] Okay, well, I can do it again the next time, and holstein can take it over if he feels like it. [18:02] sorry guys but i need to go...talk to you later [18:02] [ACTION] astraljava to chair next meeting [18:02] ACTION received: astraljava to chair next meeting [18:02] Right, I guess that concludes our meeting for tonight. [18:03] Thanks for the participants for keeping Ubuntu Studio afloat! :) [18:03] #endmeeting [18:03] Meeting finished at 13:03. === yofel_ is now known as yofel === med_out is now known as medberry