/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/07/#ubuntu-ops.txt

bazhang<vanquish349> my brother touched my computer yesturday is there a way i can check what he did00:14
bazhangDust for Prints00:14
bazhang<adminewb> is it possible to customize a cpu control fid-vid table, taking effect at boot time, so as to avoid needing a custom configured kernel? certain options are not modularized in a stock kernel, creating a major nuisance for phc02:37
bazhangany clues what that means02:37
bazhangthere are only about 60 or so drupal channels02:52
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bazhang<Redb3ard> theadmin, but it logs in as root by default03:25
bazhangaugh03:25
elkyi don't see this attempt at hijacking the topic to end well.04:39
Flannelelky: What do you have against sports teams :(04:39
elkynothing. he didn't notice at all04:40
rww'sokay, we can be more persuasive if need be04:40
elkyyeah, but by "not notice" i mean "ignored".04:40
elkyAnyone care to guess what seven_six_two is on about?04:46
rwwI already did. They're on strike 2.5.04:46
Myrttioh man06:28
theadminUm, I apologize for that mess in #ubuntu I caused. Happens to me.09:20
theadminI don't really respect Ubuntu as a distribution, but nonetheless I do respect the community.09:21
theadminI promise this will never happen again, can I get the ban off?09:21
theadmin*poke*09:22
jpdstheadmin: It wasn't very constructive.09:22
jpdstheadmin: But OK, done.09:22
theadminjpds: I do agree, I'm sometimes a hatemachine :/09:22
theadminjpds: Just tell me to stop when I start messing09:22
IdleOnetheadmin: stop. :)09:23
theadminIdleOne: xD Roger that09:23
theadminjpds: I've never even seen you on #ubuntu before though, let alone know you're an op...09:24
theadminjpds: xD09:24
LarsTHello!09:37
LarsTikonia: What is wrong ?09:37
LarsTOh sorry, i noticed my mistake09:37
ikoniaLarsT: you're banned multiple tims from the ubuntu channels as your constantly a problem,09:37
LarsTi wanted to write in ubuntu+1 not in ubntu09:37
ikoniayet you didn't09:37
ikoniaso you got removed09:37
LarsTyes it was the wrong channel right09:37
ikoniaLarsT: I think it's best if you stop using the ubuntu channels to be honest09:37
LarsTlook in ubuntu+1 i  asked there09:37
ikonialook - I removed you09:38
LarsTand that is the big fault ?09:38
LarsTwithout warning ?=09:38
ikoniaLarsT: how many times have people had to speak to you09:38
Tm_Tremoving is a warning09:38
LarsTno no09:38
ikoniahow many times have you been banned09:38
ikoniajp_Hranice: can we help you ?09:38
LarsTonly becauses i asked wrong channel09:38
LarsTthis is not a ban!09:38
jp_HraniceWho will help me ?09:38
ikoniajp_Hranice: with what ?09:39
ikoniaLarsT: I've even had to write a letter to your ISP09:39
ikoniaLarsT: how many times have you been banned ?09:39
LarsTyesterday i talked to council user09:39
ikoniaLarsT: no - that's not what I asked09:39
LarsThe said, its okay to come back09:39
ikoniaLarsT: answer the question09:39
Myrttihold on guys09:39
LarsTand i will ask again09:39
ikoniaLarsT: how many times have we had to ban you / speak to you about your behaviour09:39
bazhangjp_Hranice, do you need help here?09:39
Myrttijp_Hranice: what kind of help are you in need of?09:39
jp_HraniceI posible found bug. I wrote about it at #ubuntu+109:40
LarsTMyritti: Only because i asked wrong channel i am banned !!!09:40
ikoniaLarsT: - I am speaking to you about this, follow the conversation I am saying to you09:40
Myrttijp_Hranice: and?09:40
IdleOnejp_Hranice: Please report bugs to launchpad.net09:40
IdleOnejp_Hranice: could you also please part this channel is it not a support channel thank you.09:41
IdleOnes/is it/it is/09:41
jp_HraniceMyrtti: ChanServ boot LarsT09:41
Myrttijp_Hranice: how is that relevant to you finding a bug and reporting it at #ubuntu+1?09:42
LarsTikonia: okay what is ?09:42
jp_HraniceMyrtti:  Yes. And I spoke LarsT09:42
ikoniaLarsT: please hold on for a moment09:43
LarsTok09:43
IdleOneikonia: all yours09:43
ikoniaLarsT: sorry, I didn't want jp_Hranice interupting the conversation09:43
LarsTikonia: in my openion its wrong09:43
ikoniaLarsT: in my opinion you continuing to use the Ubuntu channels is wrong09:44
LarsTikonia: i did not do any fault09:44
ikoniaLarsT: I am fed up of people having to talk to you about how to ask questions, which channels to use, you are constantly a problem09:44
LarsTi know that i must go in ubuntu+1!09:44
LarsTbut i fetched the wrong09:44
ikoniaLarsT: and yet you didn't09:44
LarsTyes09:45
LarsTbut i noticed and stopped asking around09:45
LarsTg09:45
ikoniaLarsT: the problem is, you've caused problems too many times, so now there is no more room for excuses09:45
ikoniaLarsT: you've used up all your excuses with your past lies09:45
ikoniaso now there is no space left for your excuses or reasons09:45
LarsTno but i talked yesterday to council user09:45
LarsTand he told me09:45
LarsTits okay to come back, and as long as i respect warnings its okay09:45
ikoniaLarsT: you spoke to topyli yesterday, I've read what he told you09:45
LarsThe told me, as long as i accept warnings09:46
LarsTand i spoke to LjL09:46
ikoniaI'm sure you did09:46
LarsTand he told the same09:46
LarsTif you had told me "please go in ubuntu+1" and i would not stop, then i would accept the ban but, i noticed my mistake, said sorry, changed th channel09:47
ikoniaLarsT: that doesn't change the fact that you once again, ignored the topic of the channel09:47
ikoniaLarsT: you've been told many times09:47
ikoniayou know the channels topics/rules09:47
LarsTokay maybe i get a last try09:47
ikoniaI've had enough of having to ask you09:47
ikoniano - you've had your last try09:47
LarsTokay then i will go to council09:47
ikoniaok - please do so09:47
LarsTok09:47
IdleOne!appeals09:47
ubottuIf you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.09:47
ikoniaLarsT: please leave this channel now and take it up with the council09:48
LarsTok09:48
IdleOneLarsT: I think it is best at this time for you to email the council and part this channel now.09:48
LarsTwhere is toply09:51
LarsTah okay09:51
ikonianot active at this time09:51
bazhang* [LaDDDD] (57906a4c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.87.144.106.76): p57906A4C.dip.t-dialin.net/87.144.106.76 - http://09:52
bazhang* [LaDDDD] #xubuntu09:52
bazhangsee how long before he starts there09:53
IdleOnehe messaged me with that nick09:54
TorbenLaHello where can i find09:54
TorbenLacouncil09:54
ikonia!appeals | TorbenLa09:54
ubottuTorbenLa: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.09:54
TorbenLayes i am in ubuntu-ops09:54
IdleOneLars, Please don't start this crap again09:54
ikoniaTorbenLa: follow the process in the URL09:54
TorbenLai want to discuss it , i find it is unfair09:54
ikoniaTorbenLa: then follow the process09:55
TorbenLai already wrote to this mail09:55
TorbenLaa week ago, no answer09:55
ikoniaTorbenLa: wait for an answer then09:55
ikoniaTorbenLa: or write another one09:55
TorbenLaok09:55
TorbenLaok09:55
bazhangthe -ru is factoid is fine.09:58
topylii don't think i've ever seen such an email09:58
elkyI find no such mail either09:58
ikoniatopyli: what a surprise09:58
IdleOnebazhang: never had any complaint about that factoid before09:58
ikoniaknown problem user tells lies09:58
elkyi went and looked just now.09:58
topylihad him in pm just now, but he changed nicks and i lost him09:58
* ikonia falls over with shock09:58
bazhangrussian speakers read the cyrillic, dont care about the roman09:58
bazhangIdleOne, just more odd comments from theadmin imo09:59
IdleOneWell I assume it is clear enough for Russian speakers to make out09:59
LjLwhat is thought to be the problem with !ru?10:00
IdleOneI'm not to worried about it10:00
bazhangrefuses to read the grub2 factoid, yet gives out advice clearly (in large bold font) against what the factoid says.10:00
bazhangthen says works for me with Arch!10:00
elkyLjL, someone got annoyed that it includes the "/join" string i think10:00
bazhangLjL, there is not  a problem with it10:00
IdleOne<theadmin> IdleOne: Then, replace "posetite" (visit) with "naberite" (type)10:00
IdleOneand10:01
IdleOne<theadmin> IdleOne: Can you remove that /join out of the latinization of the !ru factoid? It's senseless :D10:01
IdleOneI told him no10:01
IdleOneabout the /join part10:01
bazhangand Russian speakers never have a problem with it.10:01
IdleOne^10:01
LjLuhm it *should* say the same thing in the transliteration as it does in the russian, though...10:01
bazhangit does10:02
bazhang!ru10:02
ubottuПожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke10:02
LjLwell except for that /join10:02
bazhangI will transliterate if you wish10:02
LjLi can see it says the same thing, just the /join seems spurious10:03
bazhang100% consistent with the other /join ones10:03
oCeantheadmin is way offtopic, right?10:03
LjLin which case it should be there in the cyrillic too, no?10:03
bazhangit's helpful to have the /join10:03
bazhangno10:03
bazhangthere is no /join equivalent in the ru irc clients etc10:04
LjLrussians have their own clients? O.o10:04
oCeanwhat a mess10:04
bazhangthe translation pack, of course they use the regular ubuntu ones10:05
LjLbazhang: anyway unless i'm mistaken "posetite" is "visit", so it doesn't make much sense to say "visit /join #ubuntu-ru", it should be *type* /join #ubuntu-ru i suspect10:06
elkywhich would make it wrong for the other cyrillic version though, no?10:06
LjLelky: well we could make the two versions different i suppose, if there is a valid reason10:07
LjLreally the main reason for the roman to be there is clients using KOI-810:07
LjLor otherwise not employing UTF-810:07
bazhangin which case they are usually kb'd from -ru10:08
LjLwhich doesn't seem like a good idea, tell them to switch instead10:09
bazhangthey warn, the bot does actually, but after a string of it, the bot kicks them10:09
LjLwell ok, still those using KOI-8 or whatever and being smart enough to avoid being kicked deserve being pointed to support10:10
LjLon an unrelated note, i'm leaving to the alps later today10:12
LjLi won't be able to access my home server from there10:12
bazhangtheadmin> IdleOne: What's that pseudo-XML, <reply>, must it be there?10:12
bazhangget him on fixing the bot, stat10:12
LjLso if there is something i need to do about the bots running there, please tell me now10:12
ubottuIn ubottu, szal said: !ru is <reply> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.10:12
bazhang!ru is <reply> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.10:13
ubottuBut ru already means something else!10:13
bazhang!no !ru is <reply> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.10:13
ubottuI know nothing about !ru yet, bazhang10:13
bazhangargh10:13
LjLdo without the ! in !ru10:13
bazhang!no ru is <reply> Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke.10:13
ubottuI'll remember that bazhang10:13
bazhang!ru > theadmin10:13
bazhangserver uses su?10:23
oCeansudo, as in desktop version10:24
IdleOnebazhang: not on this server10:24
bazhangso mr_daniel is doing that on his own accord10:24
bazhangie no need to not use sudo or sudo -i10:24
oCeanexactly10:25
oCeandiscussion in #linux about sudo/not having root enabled "turns me off a distro that to me seems designed for kids"10:32
ikoniathen that proves how stupid they are that they are not able to disable the sudo based model10:38
topyliit's a tiny, tiny, thing. i don't know why it's a big deal to some. as if it restricts them somehow10:39
elkybecause they think they're smarter than they are, usually10:40
ikoniaI can see why it's a big deal as it's a security model change, ubuntu took the lead on it (although gentoo tried something similar years ago)10:40
topylithen again, i always used sudo before ubuntu even existed so i obviously fail to mind10:40
ikonia"I'm not dumb , I can use root"10:40
ikoniaif you're not dum, you'll know how to safley before root10:40
ikoniadumb10:40
Myrttiyeah, just like my teacher at school10:40
Myrtti"sure go ahead and login as root to gdm"10:41
Myrttiand then people ask me why I quit the place10:41
knomewhy?10:41
knome;)10:41
topylimust have been the food10:41
Myrttiyeah, it was definitely the food10:41
knomemmh, or the toilets, not enough pink stuff10:41
ikoniaI don't have a problem with people logging in / using root, however the majority of new users don't understand the implications, so it's a good move10:41
oCeanyears ago we built our own tool, called "be" (to just temporarily elevate privileges) - it took about 2 years to recognize that "sudo" did exactly that10:42
Myrttiikonia: I can understand logging in as root in console. But as root in gdm in Fedora 4 four or five years ago, when things genuinely broke if you logged in as root...10:42
ikoniawell, a teacher saying login as root is foolish as they should be teaching good practies and things such as the risks and implications10:43
* Myrtti nods and sips tea10:43
oCean$ be root always resulted in "be careful!"10:44
ikoniathat said there are still issues with the sudo model on desktops such as the X11 apps, and the need for tools such as gksudo10:44
topylithe most common problem being that people often use sudo to launch X apps, and end up not owning their own files10:47
ikoniayup10:48
ikonianot sure how to improve that as sudo was never really meant for a graphical implication10:50
jribTHIS PROGRAM DOES TOO MUCH10:58
ubottutheadmin called the ops in #ubuntu (blk)11:25
tsimpsonthe issue with owning files is fixed with the -H option to sudo, but that's not the main issue with sudo and X apps11:28
tsimpsonX will, by default, not let apps ran by other uses use the session, which is why gksudo/kdesudo exist, they create a kind of cookie for the app to authenticate it11:30
tsimpson</trivia>11:30
oCeanwrtiii in #u is the one claimin "turns me off a distro that to me seems designed for kids" in ##linux earlier, but now decided to ask for help in #ubuntu anyway?11:48
bazhanghe's been crossposting for a long time about clonezilla and going on about various linux distros not working for him, even after being asked to find help with clonezilla forums etc11:50
popey@btlogin11:50
* popey clenches11:51
bazhang:011:52
popeythe use of "virii" does this to me11:52
oCeanhtml giving bogus advice too11:52
bazhangand off topic as well11:52
oCeanthere is like 6-12 things to check for11:59
oCeanoh COME ON11:59
oCeanin pm:12:07
oCeanwrtiii> I am guessing you take offence to people that do not appreciate sudo or something, lol12:07
oCeansome are really clueless12:07
oCeanis it idiot day?12:46
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Myrttino, it's just full moon13:27
Myrttijust like every day13:27
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user__theadmin13:37
user__?13:37
user__once i have been banned from ubuntu irc ! admin will you please remove from that list13:39
user__hello !!!13:45
Myrttiwho has been banned from which channel?13:46
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (kjbeo appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY)13:47
user__from ubuntu channel13:48
oCeanStevenR: chenthu, what's your business here?13:49
chenthuoCean: no business  aren't we supposeed to be here?....13:50
Myrttisee topic13:50
oCeanchenthu: exactly13:50
chenthuok13:50
StevenRoCean: curiosity. someone was referred here, and I'm merely curious as to how this process works within the ubuntu irc community13:50
Myrtti!logs13:50
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ . LoCo channels are now logged there too; for older LoCo channel logs, see http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/13:50
oCeanStevenR: the channel is publicly logged ^13:51
oCeanStevenR: but you are not supposed to idle here13:51
MyrttiStevenR: it's not a spectator sport, we have a strict policy to allow no idlers to prevent hecklers13:51
Myrttiwith no exceptions, I'm afraid13:51
StevenRfair enough. I see the point. Thanks for the link13:51
user__i dont want to be banned any more13:52
oCeanuser__: are you sure you are banned?13:53
user__yes13:54
Myrttion #ubuntu?13:54
oCeanuser__: trying to find that actual ban, but I cannot find one with your current  ip13:54
user__yes13:54
oCeanuser__: but you are currently talking in #ubuntu13:54
user__oCean i dont understand13:54
Myrttiuser__: if you are banned, you should be able to talk on #ubuntu13:55
Myrttishould NOT be able13:55
user__oCean i have been banned from ubuntu channel about 1 month ago13:55
Myrttiuser__: well you aren't anymore13:55
oCeanuser__: but you are IN #ubuntu now13:55
oCeantalking13:55
user__at that time this is not my nick13:55
oCeanthen give us the details of that ban13:56
oCeanwhat nick?13:56
user__impiza13:56
oCeanright, there's even more than one13:56
user__?13:57
oCeanyou clearly tried to evade those bans before. That's not really helping your case13:58
user__what13:59
oCeanuser__: so you are currently ban evading. You have to stop that first13:59
oCeanyou have to remove yourself from the #ubuntu channel13:59
user__i have been waiting for more than one month13:59
user__k13:59
Myrttiso14:00
user__now i am not using #ubuntu14:01
user__oCean14:03
oCeanuser__: I'm not the operator that set your ban, so I have to find more context to remove it14:04
oCeanat this point I don't have enough context to actually remove it. I'd rather have the OP that set your ban look into this14:05
ikoniahello user__14:05
ikoniaI was the one who set your ban14:05
oCeanikonia: ah, there you are :)14:05
user__hello ikonia14:06
ikoniaI storm dumped my connection for a moment14:06
ikoniahello14:06
user__oh u remember me14:06
ikoniatotally14:06
ikoniayou are the user who persistantly tries to use #ubuntu for mint support and dodge bans14:07
user__ikonia i have say sorry about a 1000 times before ! please remove my ban dear14:07
ikoniaI know you've said sorry 1000 times before, but everytime you re-commit the same issue14:07
user__i dont remember for what i have come there on that day14:08
ikoniaI do14:08
user__re commit what ?14:08
ikoniauser__: are you currently using ubuntu and do you need help / support ?14:09
user__just remove my ban !14:10
user__i not here for any help or support now14:10
ikoniauser__: then come back when you are14:10
user__please /14:10
user__i dont understand14:10
ikoniauser__: you do understand, so please don't try this14:11
user__?14:11
ikoniauser__: you have tried on a number of occasions to use #ubuntu for mint support, you have tried to circumvent your ban (as you just tried earlier today) to gain access to #ubuntu on multiple occasions, why should I remove your ban ?14:12
user__will you give me a chance ! please14:12
ikoniauser__: you have had chances, and you keep trying14:12
ikoniait's easier for me to leave the ban in place and stop you asking the #ubuntu community for help with mint14:13
user__ikonia u also use mint channel too14:13
ikoniacorrect14:14
user__hummm14:16
ikoniauser__: please come back if you have a genuine need to use the #ubuntu support channel, in the mean time, please stop trying to gain access14:17
user__if you not remove my ban then how can i access to this channel14:19
user__again14:19
ikoniauser__: you type /join #ubuntu-ops14:19
ikoniathe same way you did to join it this time14:19
ikoniathe ban in #ubuntu has nothing to do with your ability to join this channel14:19
user__please14:19
ikoniauser__: I've explained the situation.14:20
ikoniaPlease come back if you and when you have a genuine need to use the #ubuntu channel14:20
user__ikonia this is cruel14:20
ikoniauser__: you don't need to use the channel now, so it should not cause you any problems14:21
Myrttiuser__: do you use Mint as your operating system?14:21
user__mint now use ubuntu too14:21
user__Received a CTCP VERSION from popey   what is this14:22
ikoniauser__: someone is looking at the version of the irc client you are using14:23
ikoniauser__: the next time you have a genuine need for the #ubuntu channel, join this channel and we can discuss your ban14:23
user__how to do that14:23
ikoniauser__: this isn't a support channel,14:24
ikoniauser__: please leave this channel now and you're welcome to come back the next time you have a need for the #ubuntu channel14:25
ikoniauser__: do you understand ?14:29
user__this is too much ! you are not going to remove my ban ! :-(14:30
ikoniacorrect14:30
ikonianot at this time14:30
ikoniaI have explained that if you come back when you need to use #ubuntu we can discuss it then14:31
ikoniado you understand that?14:31
user__:-(14:32
user__humm14:32
user__k14:32
ikoniathank you14:32
ikonianow, please leave this channel and come back when you actually want to use #ubuntu14:33
CoreyPulled the ban I set in -server a week ago.16:00
oCeanI haven't removed it from #u yet16:02
oCeanuser__ was banevading in #u16:13
ikoniaoCean: again ?17:07
oCeanno, not that I know of17:08
oCeanI kickbanned at ^that occasion17:08
Myrtti!backtrack > nakedsnakekid19:36
Myrttispidersense tickles19:47
ikoniaoPT1mus = ?19:53
Tm_Trings bells19:53
ikonia?19:53
Tm_TI don't remember what, but that sounds familiar nick19:54
ikoniarww: ping20:18
opt1musrww: ok, so what now?20:18
rwwopt1mus: Hi. You're banned from #ubuntu-offtopic because trolls are not permitted in #ubuntu-offtopic and your behavior leads me to believe that your only reason for being in there is to run through the standard ##club-ubuntu trolling playbook. As you've been advised, attempting to join #ubuntu-offtopic constitutes a violation of freenode policy, so stop doing it.20:19
opt1musrww: I see, well my purpose in there was to obtain a reason for Anastasius' ban. I had no intentions of trolling, my jupming through IPs was due to being somewhat annoyed at being banned, when I had said nothing more than referring to chan' numbers, as was someone else, that it was aimed at. I do not troll, I enjoy discussion.20:21
opt1mus*jumping20:21
rwwopt1mus: Anastasius knows why he's banned and knows what to do to appeal bans.20:22
opt1musrww: ok, so i'll let him know about this channel. May I have the ban lifted, please?20:23
rwwopt1mus: no20:23
Myrttiwe usually don't discuss bans 1) on other channels than this 2) with others than the person banned20:23
opt1musMyrtti: well I wasn't aware of that, I am now.20:23
opt1musMyrtti: I have no intentions of trolling, otherwise I wouldn't be here, i'd carrying on with the silly IP game.20:24
opt1musMyrtti: rww: throw me a line here?20:25
rwwopt1mus: no20:25
opt1musrww: why so obtuse?20:25
rwwopt1mus: on the contrary, I think I've been perfectly clear20:26
opt1musrww: yes, and I feel I've made myself clear. I asked for an explanation, there was none, you refused to even let me know of this place at first. But now that we are on the same page you should see that i'd not waltz on in without the say so of your good selves.20:28
opt1musrww: you've read me wrong, so be it.20:37
IdleOneopt1mus: if you would kindly part the channel, we have a no idling policy and rww has made clear he is not removing your ban.20:37
IdleOnethank you.20:39

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