[07:23] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:02] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:06] <daubers> Morning
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:06] <brobostigon> HazRPG: when you are next around, i need a quick word, please.
[09:06] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:07]  * MartijnVdS pets his SSD again
[09:07] <brobostigon> :)
[09:07] <MartijnVdS> also, I need a SATA-3 (6 Gbit) interface in my machine.. I'm not using its full potential now :)
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> It takes longer to get through the BIOS from powerup than to get to the login screen after the BIOS finishes :)
[09:08] <daubers> MartijnVdS:  OCZ one?
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> daubers: "Intel 510" 120GB
[09:08] <daubers> ah, ok\
[09:08] <daubers> 
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> Model Number:       INTEL SSDSC2MH120A2
[09:09] <brobostigon> me eczema is really playing up, i am hating this, and timing aswell.
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> heh:
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> SSD - 2min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 2min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> "normal" disk - 46min for SECURITY ERASE UNIT. 46min for ENHANCED SECURITY ERASE UNIT.
[09:21] <popey> :D
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> now if only Intel would hurry up releasing Ivy Bridge
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> but I read that's been pushed back to March :(
[09:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> howdy czajkowski
[09:39]  * StevenR waits for more paint to dry
[09:45]  * StevenR wonders if it's possible to "remote control" his camera
[09:48] <daubers> StevenR: Which camera?
[09:48] <StevenR> canon powershot a1100 is
[09:49] <StevenR> there's a psremote application
[09:49] <StevenR> but it's windows only... still, shows it's possible
[09:49] <StevenR> (I'd like to do timelapse with it :))
[09:50] <daubers> StevenR: http://www.circuitsathome.com/tag/canon-powershot
[09:54] <StevenR> daubers: thanks :)  (I was hoping to do it with arduino, but my google fu is weak this morning)
[09:56] <StevenR> like when we do a show, get into the the theatre before the set goes in, and do a 1/min shot or something
[09:57] <StevenR> so the set builds like magic :)
[09:58] <StevenR> also, it'd be handy for rehearsals to catch whole set shots
[09:58] <StevenR> cos nobody ever takes the photos that I want :)
[10:04] <daubers> heh
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> You can do timed shots on Canon cameras with gphoto
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> at least, I can with my EOS and Ixus
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> and my Ixus also has the "CHDK" option
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
[10:07] <StevenR> the photographers are taking shots of the actors for press/archive ... which is great, but I like shots of my lighting too :D
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> heh, I used to take pictures of the empty podium (with instruments) before a band started to play
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> For the light guys
[10:08] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: what do you use as a frontend for control?
[10:08] <StevenR> (for the timed shots)
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: I just did a few shots before the show started, nothing special
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> (and then a lot of shots once the band started to play)
[10:22]  * daubers is quite excited about next weekend now
[10:22] <daubers> A lot to do this week to be ready
[10:23] <MooDoo> daubers: oggcamp?
[10:23] <daubers> MooDoo:  Indeedy :)
[10:23] <MooDoo> pah! :p
[10:26] <daubers> MooDoo:  Heh, I need to make sure the storage system I've put aside is ready, build a local mirror on another (and drop a better nic in it), take one of the cameras I'm borrowing somewhere with a lot of ambient noise and test it, and try OpenShot with AVCHD files
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> hmmm avchd
[10:27] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Most video cameras at the moment will record into AVCHD, so it's here to stay unfortunatley
[10:27] <MartijnVdS> daubers: at least it's a standard, and HD
[10:28] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Rubbish to edit in though :(
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> daubers: hah, but EDITING hd video is for pirates and movie studios
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> not mortals
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Pah, I do it at least once or twice a week while testing stuff
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> daubers: well yes, but you supply to movie studios, don't you?
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Was editing in dpx the other day. _That_ is insane
[10:29] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Not many movie studios. Mostly TV types
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> Too bad that "TV types" don't seem to understand HD here :(
[10:31] <daubers> MartijnVdS: HD is expensive. It'll take time for a lot of people to move their workflows over
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> daubers: All major TV channels in .nl are available in HD.. but there's only upscaled content on them
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Two live events in HD at the same time? Unpossible!
[10:32] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Yeah, that's cheap and easy :)
[10:32] <daubers> (upscaling)
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> When there are two sporting events, one gets HD, the other what they call "SD+" (aka 576p)
[10:33] <StevenR> hrrmph. gphoto won't make my camera take a photo. it's unsupported by the camera (connect a usb cable and it goes into "pc connect mode"
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: can you set the camera to a different mode?
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: in the menus?
[10:34] <daubers> MartijnVdS: To do HD in FCP or Avid you need very expensive storage, as you can't edit in a compressed format like h264 due to key framing. Most of the HD codecs work at about 20-50MB/s/stream so if you use 2 streams of HD you need to get 100MB/s to each edit station
[10:34] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Also, editing in HD really really hurts processors, so you need excessively powerful machines to edit in it
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> daubers: What's no in my phone was once excessively powerful though
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> now*
[10:36] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Avid recommends Xeons rather than i7's these days
[10:36] <daubers> MartijnVdS: FCP recommends 8 core xeons for editing HD
[10:36] <daubers> Was it 8 or 6… I forget
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> 10-core xeons exist
[10:38] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: the menus stop orking when it becomes a pc device
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Still, the public broadcaster (tax money etc.) should upgrade ALL its channels at once, not one every 3 years :)
[10:39] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: sure, but in mine there's an option to set "PC Mode" before I connect it
[10:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: You're talking about £50k+ for each post house! Thats before you take in account camera's, training, channel bandwidth and so on
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: They have 3 HD outputs, and they can do 3 HD broadcasts at once. It's just that they can't do >1 HD live feed at once
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> daubers: it feels like they didn't upgrade _something_ yet :)
[10:42] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I suspect it'll be a mix of cameras and what not still in process
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: probably
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I just want everything in hd... I'm impatient like that :)
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> Ah, found the 2011-2015 plan on their web site
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> cool, they have a comparison
[10:53] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: yeah, I don't get that option, the menus are rather slimmed down
[10:55] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: maybe CHDK is available then?
[11:11] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: nope. looks like I need to use a servo or something
[11:11] <StevenR> but there's code out there to do that :)
[11:48] <CortexTrip> what about that Unity eh?
[11:48] <CortexTrip> what a pile of manure.
[11:49] <TonyP> Thats your opinion - some of us like Unity
[12:08] <directhex> i don't like unity. but i'm too lazy to use real gnome
[12:13] <StevenR> directhex: what do you use?
[12:14] <directhex> StevenR, unity. i just don't enjoy it :)
[12:14] <directhex> i've turned off some of the most obnoious changes in recent ubuntu - e.g. i have a real system tray, and i un-mapped the Super key so i can use gnome do
[12:20] <StevenR> ahh, I see
[13:22]  * StevenR blacklists an IP from South Korea
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> Only one?
[13:23] <StevenR> yeah
[13:23] <StevenR> it was trying to bruteforce my ssh not-quite-vpn
[13:23] <StevenR> but it only accepts two large ssh keys
[13:24] <StevenR> so a bruteforce password attach isn't gonna fly
[13:24] <StevenR> *attack
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: install fail2ban
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> it'll auto-block IPs after <n> auth failures in <m> seconds
[13:26] <StevenR> interesting to watch it try though :)
[13:26] <mgdm> fail2ban++
[13:40] <StevenR> well. that is irritating. Neither denyhosts or fail2ban are available for the repos on that box
[13:40] <StevenR> (it's centos5, rather than ubuntu)
[13:45] <mgdm> Oh :/
[13:45] <mgdm> tried EPEL?
[13:46] <StevenR> not yet. I kindof wanted to keep it nice and slim :)
[13:46] <mgdm> I know what you mean
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> and you use centos? :P
[13:46] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: it's slim enough :P
[13:47] <StevenR> (that and I have to support it at work, so I like to keep my hand in)
[13:52] <mgdm> Hmmm. PHP segfaulted, and not because I was doing something silly in C again.
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: cool, reproducible?
[13:53] <mgdm> Not yet :-)
[13:53] <mgdm> I happens every now and again, but often it's because of something I've written and compiled in, so I tend not to take too much notice
[14:40] <GirlyGirl> hi
[14:41] <brobostigon> hi GirlyGirl
[14:44] <GirlyGirl> bye lol
[14:45] <hamitron> oh dear brobostigon
[14:45] <hamitron> ;)
[14:46] <brobostigon> hamitron: huh ?
[14:46] <hamitron> you scared her off
[14:46] <brobostigon> i did no such thing.i couldnt have.
[14:47] <hamitron> hehe
[14:47] <popey> brobostigon: humour
[14:47] <brobostigon> hmm, ok.
[15:03] <brobostigon> sorry
[15:25] <gord> lambda's in c++0x sure are great
[17:08] <daubers> Evening
[17:15] <scoundrel50a> sorry to ask, but I need to find a simple way of creating a mysql database using the linux  terminal, can somebody point me in the direction of a easy to understand tutorial please?
[17:16] <AlanBell> !mysql
[17:16] <AlanBell> hmm, not that helpful
[17:17] <AlanBell> http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-create-a-mysql-database-and-set-privileges-to-a-user
[17:17] <AlanBell> something like that maybe scoundrel50a
[17:18] <scoundrel50a> ah, thank you, that looks like it might help. If I can understand it....thank you.
[17:27] <scoundrel50a> yippee, that worked, I just created a db using the terminal, amazing.....
[17:35] <daubers> \o/ circuit board modified and rerouted
[17:49] <bigcalm> While we are on the subject of databases. Is there a good db designer in the Software Centre?
[17:50] <bigcalm> It doesn't need db access, just a visual interpretation of tables
[18:03] <Myrtti> I used something for my postgresql at one point
[18:04] <Myrtti> I'm tempted to say pgadmin but I'm sure I'm wrong
[18:04] <gord> there is a sqllite one
[18:04] <gord> i'v used it before, it was okay
[18:05] <bigcalm> I don't need actual db interaction as I will be creating things by hand later. I just want a visual way of setting up tables
[18:05] <bigcalm> Have just tried dbdesigner, but it's failing to run
[18:05] <gord> right, but things that are designed to visually set up tables, often also do db interaction as well
[18:06] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[18:07] <popey> there is a kde one
[18:07] <popey> oml thing
[18:07] <popey> akonadi?
[18:10] <Azelphur> mum bought me a mini fridge for my room :D http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202011/IMG_20110807_190706.jpg
[18:10] <Azelphur> only 10 quid from boot sale too, fun fun \o/
[18:14] <hamitron> Azelphur: maybe a hint "here is your first piece of kit to move out"
[18:14] <daubers> bigcalm: I quite like the mysqlworkbench
[18:14] <hamitron> ;)
[18:14] <Azelphur> hamitron: haha nah I've been after getting one, it's a long way to the fridge from up here so most houses have a little fridge on the top floor if people are living up there
[18:14] <Azelphur> kinda sucks walking 3 down and 3 up  just to get a drink or something.
[18:15] <hamitron> yeh :/
[18:15] <hamitron> certainly adds time
[18:15] <hamitron> I know a lot wonder what take me so long making a coffee
[18:15] <hamitron> takes*
[18:20] <Azelphur> with mailing lists, using google apps and thunderbird, is there something sensible I can do to make the mailing lists a bit more separated?
[18:20] <Azelphur> like have it separate from my unread count and move it to another folder or something
[18:20] <bigcalm> Thanks for the suggestions peeps. I shall be looking into them more later
[18:26] <StevenR> Azelphur: create filters in gmail so they don't go in the inbox?
[18:26] <Azelphur> ah, I see :)
[19:01] <Cassull> greetings
[19:01] <Cassull> there really was a uk channel for buntu... :)
[19:03] <Cassull> s/was/is
[19:03] <Azelphur> yea, we might be English too
[19:03] <Azelphur> although word on the street is we're all from mumbai india secretly :P
[19:03] <penguin42> we outsourced the channel?
[19:03] <Azelphur> yea :(
[19:05] <Cassull> :)
[19:05] <Azelphur> now I must depart, somewhere...somehow there is a Ubuntu machine needing saving (somewhere being over the road, somehow being turned off during a dist upgrade)
[19:05] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:06] <Cassull> how is the wether other there?
[19:07] <Cassull> Azelphur: yea, save the world, save your buntu! ;)
[19:31] <Azelphur> :P
[19:31] <Azelphur> so I've returned with a rather unhappy looking netbook
[19:31] <Azelphur> I ran dpkg-reconfigure -a to finish the stuff
[19:40] <daubers> dum da dum dum
[19:43] <Azelphur> doesn't seem to want to let me login though :(
[19:44] <Azelphur> login screen comes up looks like no gnome-settings-daemon and then when I login it puts up a notification "Install problem! the configuration defaults for GNOME power manager have not been installed correctly. Please contact your system administrator." and then throws me back to the login screen
[19:46] <Azelphur> guess I'll backup /home and reload :p
[19:49] <StevenR> Azelphur: what about running apt-get upgrade again?
[19:50] <StevenR> are there any packages that haven't yet been updated?
[19:50] <Laney> happy days
[19:50] <Azelphur> StevenR: nope
[19:53] <Azelphur> StevenR: think I might just be crazy and try and do the 10.10 to 11.04 upgrade and hope it fixes all the busted config files that happened during the last one
[19:55] <StevenR> Azelphur: can't make it any more broken
[19:55] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:01] <daubers> Hmmm…. my meagre electronics knowledge is failing me
[21:05] <__steve__> Any python guru's online? Not for troubleshooting, was hoping on advice on how to go about a particular cgi project...
[21:07] <mgdm> __steve__: probably easiest just to ask, if anyone knows they might answer
[21:11] <__steve__> thanks, got an existing script I use for backing up. I have recently started playing with cgi scripts, but as the backup takes a long time it is not suitable for use within the cgi script. Should I look at using a client-server setup? Any advice would be appreciated.
[21:12] <mgdm> Does it need to be run as a CGI? Might it be easier to trigger it as a cron job?
[21:19] <__steve__> mgdm, Again thanks for the feedback. Its a headless box that I use as a media server. (Specifically I am dumping a DVD to an image file) So yes, I could run a cron job at regular intervals that checks for the presence of a disc but I am interested by the challenge of getting it to work from a cgi. Any pointers?
[21:19] <mgdm> You'll be wanting to hand off to another process that can live a bit longer, in PHP land there are things like Gearman and ZMQ that can do that sort of thing, but itthat might be gigantic overkill
[21:20] <mgdm> (they're not PHP-specific, they just get used there)
[21:24] <__steve__> Those do look like they would be very useful! Overkill as you say - but it does make things interesting. Am I barking up the wrong tree thinking about a client-server architecture within python do you think? I was thinking it may be a good excuse to get better at threading.
[21:37] <mgdm> __steve__: if you fancy a challenge, I don't see why not
[21:38] <mgdm> having a main process kicking about that does work when pinged by the CGI?
[21:40] <__steve__> mgdm, That what what I was thinking - Sound like it would work?
[21:41] <mgdm> Yeah
[21:42] <__steve__> Looking at ZMQ - it seems great. It is  defiantly one to bookmark - I have a couple of ideas in mind which would be excellent. In this case though I think working from the ground up would give me more chance to learn more python.
[21:43] <mgdm> sure
[21:43] <mgdm> you basically need a 'go' button
[21:48] <__steve__> Nice, do you use python much? Or are you more into php?
[21:50] <mgdm> PHP is my day job, and I've got involved in the project itself, but I play with Python every now and again
[21:55] <__steve__> Fair enough, I do like python - suits my needs well. Thanks for the feedback.
[21:56] <mgdm> No problem :-) I'd be interested to hear how you end up doing it
[21:57] <__steve__> Sure thing, I dont get the chance to play with any programming in work time so it doesnt take much for me to start coding when Im home.
[21:58] <mgdm> I do development all day at work, which doesn't stop me doing it outside of work too :-)
[22:01] <__steve__> You mentioned you are involved in the php project, do you do dev work?
[22:06] <mgdm> __steve__: yeah, I have done the odd bit on the core and work on some extensions
[22:08] <__steve__> mgdm, Well the best of luck to you. Must shoot for now though - otherwise I will get it in the ear. ;-p