| wrst | but for some things a desktop still is the way to go, dealing with video for one | 00:12 |
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| cyberanger | yeah, at that point you get to specialist in some hardware | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | and that isn't something many do mobile | 00:15 |
| cyberanger | some do, but not many | 00:15 |
| wrst | it gets very expensive mobile to do it | 00:18 |
| cyberanger | it easily could, depends on exactly how far you go with it | 00:25 |
| cyberanger | and if you do it for a living, an extra paycheck or two for being mobile can pay for the difference | 00:25 |
| wrst | yep that is true, i'm downloading the latest oneric or however you spell it cyberanger :) | 00:26 |
| cyberanger | have fun with that | 00:36 |
| cyberanger | I've pretty much moved to debian testing now | 00:36 |
| cyberanger | still some ubuntu, but the difference at this point is only visiable in one file | 00:37 |
| wrst | well like to take a look but in a VM | 00:37 |
| cyberanger | /etc/apt/sources.list | 00:37 |
| wrst | :) | 00:37 |
| wrst | cyberanger: I would really like to like debain, if i had servers that mattered it would run debian but on desktop just not that great for me | 00:38 |
| cyberanger | wrst: for a person favoring gnome3 over unity, I'm suprised to hear you say that | 00:40 |
| wrst | cyberanger: well its just more effort to get debian going for me, and arch is really pretty simple | 00:41 |
| wrst | but since you said that cyberanger off i go to try debian testing ina VM | 00:41 |
| cyberanger | I think it's easier than you'd think | 00:41 |
| cyberanger | I however, go a little out of may way on the howto step by step's | 00:42 |
| cyberanger | lock the doors tighter, automate some things further, others I remove the automation | 00:42 |
| cyberanger | make them human iniated only | 00:42 |
| wrst | well downloading the netinstall image | 00:43 |
| wrst | cyberanger: and this will never need to be "upgraded" pretty much a rolling release? | 00:43 |
| cyberanger | that's a reasonable choice, I usually don't do that (since I like having offline capability, or install on celluar cards, and netinst leaves out ppp support) | 00:44 |
| wrst | in a VM figured this should be good, | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | it can be, change /etc/apt/sources.list from wheezy to testing | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | oh yeah | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | and in alot of my cases, it is for me | 00:45 |
| wrst | i thought wheezy was testing? | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | yes, but squeeze was testing, but testing stays testing | 00:45 |
| cyberanger | symlink | 00:46 |
| cyberanger | (and the installer you grabbed you need to check it was testing and not stable) | 00:46 |
| wrst | gothcha and wheezy will become stable when its the new stable | 00:46 |
| cyberanger | yep | 00:46 |
| wrst | well with debian that may be 5 years so i have time ;) | 00:46 |
| cyberanger | codenames, just like oneric or whatnot is alpha or beta now, but will be a stable release (only ubuntu has no offical unstable & testing branch) | 00:47 |
| wrst | gotcha like mandriva has cooker and if you stay on cooker you always get the new stuff | 00:48 |
| cyberanger | cooker being unstable, like sid, or like 'testing' which for the moment is wheezy | 00:52 |
| wrst | testing | 00:53 |
| cyberanger | but yeah, you have the idea, 'testing' never moves, all the safe but untested stuff leaves sid for testing | 00:53 |
| cyberanger | and testing gets a codename, to prepare for the next stable, like ubuntu has oneric now | 00:53 |
| wrst | so sid is untested? | 00:53 |
| cyberanger | unstable, actually | 00:54 |
| cyberanger | but yeah, to compare to wheezy, sid isn't tested | 00:54 |
| wrst | gotcha, arch has a testing repo... and well its I think you could say unstable | 00:54 |
| cyberanger | it works, but it's raw code pretty much | 00:54 |
| wrst | so goes from sid, then to wheezy? | 00:54 |
| wrst | or unstable to testing? | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | somebody made it, goes there, works or not (usually it works, just not tested for conflicts with something else) | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | testing (atm wheezy, but testing will be something else soon enough) plucks stuff from sid | 00:55 |
| cyberanger | not an outright freeze | 00:56 |
| wrst | hmm cyberanger i have kernel options 486, 686-pae | 00:56 |
| cyberanger | then testing (under it's codename) goes in a development range, and the codename status changes to stable | 00:56 |
| cyberanger | wrst: did you enable pae in virtualbox settings? | 00:57 |
| cyberanger | physical address extensions | 00:57 |
| wrst | no i didn't and i'm not over 4GB even on the host machine | 00:57 |
| wrst | yes just curious 486 vs. 686? | 00:57 |
| cyberanger | other benifits, you should still be early enough, power off, enable pae, then 686-pae | 00:57 |
| cyberanger | 486 works, but meant for old machines | 00:58 |
| wrst | ok what i suspected but haven't seen that option or haven't noticed it atleast | 00:58 |
| cyberanger | and by old, I mean 95-2000 era hardware | 00:58 |
| cyberanger | it's not in the start wizard | 00:58 |
| cyberanger | settings, system, motherboard if I recall | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | then boot debian installer again | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | (done it out of habit so much, forgot about that) | 00:59 |
| wrst | yeah i chose the 686 | 00:59 |
| cyberanger | but not 686-pae? | 00:59 |
| wrst | no just 686 | 01:00 |
| cyberanger | it works, more favored over 486, less than 686-pae though | 01:00 |
| wrst | well no doubt i will be doing this again :) | 01:01 |
| cyberanger | memory is the main thing people think of, but there are some other benifits | 01:02 |
| wrst | yeah well i'm just curious to get it working now anyway | 01:02 |
| cyberanger | I've just sorta done it for so long, I forget why I do | 01:02 |
| cyberanger | lol, yeah | 01:03 |
| wrst | well i do like the new login manager in 11.10 | 01:03 |
| wrst | cyberanger: debian desktop environment? what is that gnome I'm guessing | 01:04 |
| wrst | i'm thinking in the past it just said gnome | 01:04 |
| wrst | but been a few months | 01:04 |
| wrst | and cyberanger some neat things, jockey notes that you need to upgrade vbox guest additions very cool | 01:05 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, they have other options, a fan of xfce and lxde | 01:10 |
| cyberanger | but that (should still be) gnome | 01:10 |
| cyberanger | yeah, debian has moved away from some of it's GNU & FSF only princibals | 01:11 |
| wrst | well that may upset richard stallman but... | 01:12 |
| cyberanger | they've actually made the main branch fully compliant recently, but they've made it easier for non-free contrib and restricted to be used | 01:12 |
| wrst | a new member to the team cyberanger, you know what would be nice to have some sort of info packet or something to send new members | 01:12 |
| cyberanger | some via jockey, other methods too | 01:13 |
| cyberanger | they're becoming open minded some, being wise, and cautious | 01:13 |
| wrst | yea cyberanger when i was trying to use non-free it was pain in the rear | 01:13 |
| cyberanger | wrst: a change in topic, you mean our loco, new members with an information packet? | 01:14 |
| cyberanger | or a new debian user | 01:14 |
| wrst | cyberanger: check your email new loco member :P | 01:14 |
| wrst | but yeah something to let them know what we do where / how to communicate that type of thing? | 01:14 |
| cyberanger | not even 10 minutes ago, yeah | 01:15 |
| cyberanger | but your timing, I had to wonder a little | 01:15 |
| cyberanger | it would, if maintained | 01:16 |
| wrst | my phone beeped so got right on it | 01:16 |
| cyberanger | I saw it in mutt | 01:16 |
| wrst | yeah that's the thing keeping something like that maintained, good point | 01:16 |
| cyberanger | makes me wonder if we ever did that before | 01:17 |
| * cyberanger spends more time updating his own documentation on things, that actually using the same documents | 01:18 | |
| cyberanger | waist of bloddy time | 01:18 |
| wrst | well we all gotta waste time doing something :) | 01:18 |
| cyberanger | yeah, but that is one thing that's slowed me down on swissknife-router | 01:19 |
| cyberanger | and I've already got enough excuses on those delays | 01:20 |
| wrst | well i have everything downloaded now its installing woo hoo | 01:21 |
| cyberanger | that's great | 01:22 |
| wrst | yeah i'm going from 10/1 to 6/768 internet at the new place that's a bummer | 01:23 |
| cyberanger | 6M down 768k up? | 01:26 |
| wrst | yes | 01:26 |
| cyberanger | that's not bad | 01:26 |
| cyberanger | worse than before, but not real bad | 01:26 |
| cyberanger | best I had was 6 down & 1 up | 01:26 |
| wrst | no i'm really enjoying this speed | 01:26 |
| cyberanger | worst I had was well, 33.6k dial-up modem | 01:27 |
| cyberanger | or my iden phone of 20k | 01:27 |
| wrst | ouch | 01:27 |
| cyberanger | but nowadays a cheeseburger buys so much speed | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | hard drives are cheap, sneakernet it | 01:28 |
| wrst | cyberanger: unity is certainly improving | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | that's what I'm likely to do for a small time | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | when I get notice to packup and haul out for a little bit | 01:28 |
| cyberanger | (depending on virgin mobile (sprint) coverage, and landline access) | 01:29 |
| cyberanger | operate as I am, or on dial-up & wifi | 01:30 |
| wrst | hmm debian aborted | 01:35 |
| cyberanger | really, why? | 01:35 |
| wrst | no clue | 01:36 |
| wrst | trying again :) | 01:37 |
| cyberanger | well, I'd enable pae first | 01:40 |
| cyberanger | I know that worked again & again here | 01:40 |
| wrst | i did :) | 01:41 |
| wrst | here we go with the downloading again | 01:57 |
| cyberanger | hope it works this time | 02:00 |
| wrst | if it doesn't... well i can try again :) | 02:05 |
| wrst | i had two vm's running cyberanger i suppose that could have had something to do with it but should not have been a problem | 02:08 |
| orangeninja | cyberanger: Yes it still does have Ubuntu 10.04 on it | 02:08 |
| orangeninja | part of me wants to reformat all to linux. Other part wants to keep a small 30Gb windows partition and rest linux. but I would have to go back to factory to make windows part smaller | 02:10 |
| cyberanger | orangeninja: but you didn't tell the ubuntu installer to use the full disc, did you? | 02:11 |
| cyberanger | and potentailly overwrite the recovery partition somewhere in the process | 02:12 |
| orangeninja | nope, I still see it as the D drive. I even went into disk managment and set it as active. But F 11 at boot does nothing | 02:12 |
| cyberanger | hrm | 02:14 |
| Unit193 | Use grub to boot it (SuperGrubDisk if you don't have grub on the partition) | 02:18 |
| Unit193 | If you don't see grub on boot edit /etc/default/grub and the hidden timeout, run os-prober and update-grub | 02:19 |
| orangeninja | I have grub it makes me choose window or ubuntu every time I boot. | 02:19 |
| orangeninja | 2 window entrys just boot regular windows | 02:19 |
| cyberanger | orangeninja: what drive has the recovery partiton | 02:19 |
| Unit193 | That's odd, normally there is a recovery option | 02:19 |
| cyberanger | /dev/sdXN | 02:19 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: HP's thrown some curveballs before (as my own HP Pavilion dv2742se has proven) | 02:20 |
| orangeninja | let me see if i can make a pic for you guys.... I need to clean old kernals but I never did because I thought I was going to reinstal untill I ran into this... heh | 02:20 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: I guess... Our Compaq has it just fine though :/ Who else is in swissknife with you anywho? (Figured it might be nicer than just flashing the it :P ) | 02:21 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: you mean people developing it? or aware of it, assisted in some way or another, in an IRC channel, etc. | 02:22 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: I wasn't sure if the number was the same, but I was mostly thinking... Maybe channel, I don't know now :P | 02:23 |
| cyberanger | channel has wrst & myself, I've gotten assistance in some information from a few people involved in keryx | 02:24 |
| orangeninja | AHHHHHH!!! I am so sorry.... it was right there SDA2 | 02:24 |
| orangeninja | I bet that is it. | 02:24 |
| cyberanger | the list is fairly small | 02:24 |
| cyberanger | orangeninja: /dev/sda2 | 02:25 |
| cyberanger | does that match a grub2 entry? | 02:25 |
| orangeninja | I am making sure I got everything before I restore factory settings | 02:25 |
| orangeninja | I guess grub overides F 11, huh? | 02:25 |
| orangeninja | duh | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | or your hitting it too late, or something | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | but yeah, that's easily a possibility | 02:26 |
| orangeninja | nope, I have tried as soon as I power until I get the beeeeep! | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | HP tied in a bootloader chain, recovery first | 02:26 |
| cyberanger | grub in the MBR would adjust that chain | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | something that isn't a huge issue | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | but hp did other things over time | 02:27 |
| cyberanger | or more accurately, more ways to have things conflict | 02:27 |
| orangeninja | brb | 02:28 |
| wrst | 50% there cyberanger :) | 02:30 |
| cyberanger | wrst: so the question is the glass half full or half empty? | 02:32 |
| wrst | i'm going with full | 02:32 |
| cyberanger | (my answer, the glass is the wrong size) | 02:32 |
| cyberanger | wrst: ^ | 02:33 |
| Juzzy | well technically | 02:33 |
| cyberanger | or my more scarsatic version, neither, some idiot gave me the wrong size glass | 02:33 |
| Juzzy | the glass is always full | 02:33 |
| Juzzy | unless it's half filled in a vacuum | 02:33 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i'm curoius about debian testing while I like arch i really like the thought of being on debian all the time also | 02:33 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: so one half is filled with nothing ;-) | 02:34 |
| Juzzy | "nothing"? | 02:34 |
| Juzzy | you mean oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, argon, etc? | 02:34 |
| Juzzy | in a gas form | 02:34 |
| Juzzy | :> | 02:34 |
| cyberanger | well, not in a vacum | 02:34 |
| wrst | cyberanger: there is always one in every crowd... :) | 02:34 |
| Juzzy | its half full of air, half full of water | 02:35 |
| Juzzy | ;/ | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | just my way of saying, that question is one with no right answer, just whatever answer is handy | 02:35 |
| Juzzy | it does, half empty and half full are BOTH Wrong | 02:35 |
| Juzzy | it's 100% full in either case | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | however few go outside the two options given (making it a good optimist vs pessimist guage) | 02:35 |
| cyberanger | wrst: tonight there seems to be two | 02:36 |
| Juzzy | :( | 02:36 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: I think that's a good thin | 02:37 |
| cyberanger | thing* | 02:37 |
| Juzzy | it's ok | 02:37 |
| Juzzy | it's how my technical mind works ;/ | 02:37 |
| * cyberanger doesn't just think outside the box, he blows it up | 02:37 | |
| Juzzy | drives the wife bonkers sometimes | 02:37 |
| wrst | ha ha | 02:37 |
| * cyberanger has the RDX to prove it | 02:38 | |
| Juzzy | it's hard to be a christian when your mind is detailed oriented :/ | 02:38 |
| cyberanger | oh, yeah, it can be | 02:39 |
| cyberanger | and I take it she's the real devout type then? | 02:39 |
| Juzzy | well, heh yes | 02:40 |
| Juzzy | we are both christians | 02:40 |
| cyberanger | (not saying there is a sliding scale on how one is devout to their beliefs) | 02:40 |
| Juzzy | neither of us are bible thumpers | 02:40 |
| Juzzy | I actually enjoy debating aithiests though | 02:41 |
| * wrst has bible will thump | 02:41 | |
| wrst | Juzzy: really, thats interesting | 02:41 |
| Juzzy | yea, I'm rather good at it | 02:41 |
| cyberanger | the hard part that the torah, the koran, the bible & the constitution left things up to interpurtation | 02:41 |
| Juzzy | the problem I have is all the holes in the bible | 02:41 |
| Juzzy | which makes it hard to defend sometimes | 02:41 |
| cyberanger | two vary dangerous things when left too vauge, politics & religion | 02:42 |
| Juzzy | regardless, the cores of religion revolve around 1 argument | 02:42 |
| Juzzy | intellegent design | 02:42 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: reminds me of a scene of a BBC show, Mrs. Brow's boys | 02:42 |
| Juzzy | it's harder for an athiest to prove God doesnt than it is that we evolved from dust | 02:42 |
| Juzzy | erm vice versa | 02:43 |
| wrst | Juzzy: I have found that with atheism it is a religion in and of itself | 02:43 |
| cyberanger | she's devout cathloic, but when a bunch of mormons come to her house, she pulls all the stops | 02:43 |
| Juzzy | harder to prove we came from dust | 02:43 |
| Juzzy | heh | 02:43 |
| wrst | but I know many and atheist that I do like also | 02:43 |
| Juzzy | oh sure | 02:43 |
| Juzzy | the impressive thing about athiest, they know the bible better than most christians | 02:43 |
| wrst | cyberanger: grub is installing this sounds to be good | 02:43 |
| cyberanger | wrst: sounds real good | 02:43 |
| Juzzy | which puts them at considerable risk | 02:44 |
| wrst | Juzzy: agreed, then some stupid christian tries to defend their faith adn well its all over and they look stupid | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: yeah, I'd love to see more athiests try that on the torah & koran too | 02:44 |
| Juzzy | What I find absolutely amazing | 02:44 |
| cyberanger | I mean, if your gonna say there is no god, you gotta punch holes in all god-beliving faith | 02:44 |
| Juzzy | is the youtube simulations of the universe and X Y Whatever star | 02:44 |
| Juzzy | which is like 1 million x larger than the sun | 02:45 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i have me some bootin' going on | 02:45 |
| Juzzy | cyberanger: the whole argument revolves around orgin of man | 02:45 |
| Juzzy | so regardless if some dude died on a cross 2k yrs ago | 02:45 |
| Juzzy | or some leader came up 400 yrs later | 02:46 |
| wrst | ok cyberanger here's why i probably won't use debian testing... still no gnome 3! | 02:46 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: yeah, except for a buddist (sp?) | 02:46 |
| Juzzy | did we come from monkeys, etc or created | 02:46 |
| Juzzy | actually | 02:46 |
| Juzzy | buddism isnt really a religion | 02:46 |
| Juzzy | it's a meditation practice more than anyhting | 02:46 |
| Juzzy | well by definition maybe so | 02:47 |
| Juzzy | Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and moral values. | 02:47 |
| orangeninja | LMAO! for your information glass was empty... all out after 1. | 02:47 |
| cyberanger | yeah, that's the hard part, drawing the line | 02:47 |
| cyberanger | I'd say it is, you have faith in it & define your life to it | 02:48 |
| Juzzy | so based on that, atheism is actually a religion | 02:48 |
| cyberanger | but perhaps that's myself leaning back on something definivite vs subjective | 02:48 |
| cyberanger | yeah, based on that, atheism could be a religion | 02:49 |
| cyberanger | strong faith in no god existing, not sure how one define's their life to it | 02:49 |
| cyberanger | but I suppose by being unhindered from any customs any god commanded could fill that void | 02:50 |
| Juzzy | I had a awesome punchline to an athiest friend on fb once | 02:50 |
| cyberanger | wrst: good news | 02:50 |
| cyberanger | it's like stealing candy from an athiest | 02:50 |
| Juzzy | his wife (ath and lib) posted how inhumane and rediculous to circumsize boys | 02:50 |
| cyberanger | Atheist: there is no god | 02:50 |
| Juzzy | so after about 40 going back and forths | 02:50 |
| cyberanger | christian: there is no candy | 02:51 |
| Juzzy | I said... | 02:51 |
| wrst | cyberanger: what is the good news? | 02:51 |
| Juzzy | so I'm going to guess you're pro-choice | 02:51 |
| cyberanger | athiest: my god your right | 02:51 |
| Juzzy | which is a nobrainer for a liberal | 02:51 |
| Juzzy | she replied (what's that have to do with anything) | 02:51 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: lol | 02:51 |
| cyberanger | wrst: your progress | 02:51 |
| cyberanger | with debian testing | 02:52 |
| Juzzy | so I said: So somewhere in your F'd up head, it's ok to shove a rod through a baby's skull and suck out it's brain, but it's not ok to cut some skin off it's penis? | 02:52 |
| Juzzy | <end of chain> | 02:52 |
| wrst | yeah but no gnome 3 cyberanger, what in the world are they testing? | 02:52 |
| orangeninja | BOOOM! Juzzy | 02:52 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you selected the desktop, do you have any desktop showing up? | 02:53 |
| Juzzy | ya, ^5 mysqlf, none of the liberals would do so | 02:53 |
| Juzzy | lol myself | 02:53 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: I see a limited use as reasonable | 02:53 |
| wrst | cyberanger: yep have gnome 2.x | 02:53 |
| Juzzy | I have a hard time typing myself, always comes out mysql | 02:53 |
| orangeninja | lol has your friends invited you back? Awsome comeback my friend, | 02:53 |
| cyberanger | extremely limited, if one life isn't lost, both will die | 02:53 |
| Juzzy | limited use != pro-choice | 02:53 |
| Juzzy | 100% different | 02:54 |
| wrst | Juzzy: i prefer to say pro killing babies | 02:54 |
| Juzzy | some preacher is getting sued in texas | 02:54 |
| Juzzy | b/c he bought a billboard | 02:54 |
| Juzzy | erm -preacher + guy | 02:54 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: exactly, but I think many don't accept that there could be legitimate reasons | 02:55 |
| Juzzy | he has a pair of hands and a baby chalkline | 02:55 |
| Juzzy | saying: I would had a child if my wife didnt choise to murder it | 02:55 |
| cyberanger | the debate is so life or death, it's gotten tunnel vision on just that | 02:55 |
| wrst | ok cyberanger found a way to get gnome 3 adding expiremental repo, this sounds dangerous | 02:55 |
| Juzzy | I imagine they are not still married | 02:55 |
| cyberanger | wrst: is it not in the default repos? | 02:55 |
| orangeninja | wow | 02:55 |
| wrst | nope gnome 2 still default | 02:55 |
| cyberanger | wrst: so debian testing has left gnome 4 to sid for now, hrm | 02:56 |
| wrst | yeah seems a little silly to me | 02:56 |
| cyberanger | I use both, so that would explain my mistake | 02:56 |
| cyberanger | eh, debian (outside sid) is known for caution | 02:56 |
| wrst | yeah i suspect something is about to break :) | 02:57 |
| wrst | well the mirror I'm on is using cyberanger's dial up so i'm going to go to bed while this is downloading see everyone later | 02:57 |
| Juzzy | cya | 03:01 |
| orangeninja | cya Juzzy | 03:01 |
| orangeninja | ok 250 gb hd Ill make it easy and put 50Gb as windows. How should I partition the rest | 03:01 |
| Juzzy | wrst, not me | 03:01 |
| cyberanger | wrst: funny | 03:01 |
| Juzzy | but ok heh | 03:01 |
| cyberanger | real funny | 03:02 |
| orangeninja | I have 4 gb ram | 03:02 |
| Juzzy | orangeninja: what's on the rest? | 03:02 |
| * cyberanger isn't on dial up without a real outage or unexpected travel issues | 03:02 | |
| cyberanger | night wrst | 03:02 |
| orangeninja | it is going to be linus | 03:02 |
| orangeninja | linux | 03:02 |
| Juzzy | what I do (so shoot me) | 03:02 |
| Juzzy | is put 20gb to linux | 03:02 |
| Juzzy | and the rest to windows | 03:03 |
| Juzzy | then map ntfs to linux for storing random crao | 03:03 |
| Juzzy | p | 03:03 |
| Juzzy | b/c you can't easily read ext in windows | 03:03 |
| Juzzy | but linux can ntfs np | 03:03 |
| Juzzy | but that's just me, anti-linux desktops | 03:03 |
| orangeninja | hmmm this is a HP dv6775 latop | 03:04 |
| orangeninja | windows vista pro or home pro I dont know.... | 03:04 |
| orangeninja | would the ntfs be / in linux? | 03:04 |
| orangeninja | I mean home | 03:04 |
| Juzzy | no | 03:05 |
| Juzzy | well, it -could- b | 03:05 |
| Juzzy | e | 03:05 |
| Juzzy | I just do /mnt/ntfs or whatever | 03:05 |
| Juzzy | an ln-s downloads or whatever I wanna share | 03:06 |
| Juzzy | but that's just me, bro | 03:06 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: I've found the ext tools in windows more reliable lately | 03:06 |
| Juzzy | you do whatever | 03:06 |
| cyberanger | just needing the ext4 features patched in | 03:06 |
| Juzzy | ya, just not native | 03:06 |
| orangeninja | yeah, i am just a guy who is learning. I like linux enough that I mostly boot laptop to linux unless I need widows. SO I wanted to make a primary linux laptop, but scared to drop windows all the way off of laptop... know what I mean. Just in case. | 03:07 |
| orangeninja | I mean everything seems to work on the laptop. I have not even got the weird touchpad crash in a while. So I could probably make it a total linux machine if I could? | 03:10 |
| cyberanger | Juzzy: idk if ntfs support could be called native, to linux at least | 03:15 |
| cyberanger | due to the reverse engineered nature, higer bug rate & not in all distros by default | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | ubuntu enables it, more have over the years, as bugs thin out | 03:16 |
| cyberanger | idk, I've never been a huge fan | 03:23 |
| orangeninja | of what? ntfs on linux? | 03:25 |
| cyberanger | ntfs in general | 03:26 |
| cyberanger | improvement over fat32, yes, but fat goes back to dos, you had too much to improve by then | 03:27 |
| cyberanger | by NTFS's release, that is, just anything new was an improvement | 03:27 |
| vychune | o/ | 04:35 |
| Unit193 | Howdy | 04:36 |
| vychune | howja lol | 04:36 |
| cyberanger | Hola | 15:58 |
| cyberanger | I think pandora is gonna say I hit their cap this month, hit 25% already | 15:59 |
| cyberanger | mostly cause of yesterday & more today I'm sure | 15:59 |
| cyberanger | and I've got two days ahead where it'll be running for 12 hours straight | 16:00 |
| * cyberanger regrets having flash installed, but pandora & hulu seem to be worth it | 16:01 | |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: pianobar = no caps | 16:18 |
| cyberanger | Unit193 you've last me | 16:23 |
| cyberanger | lost me* | 16:24 |
| Unit193 | pianobar (source: pianobar): console based player for Pandora radio. In component universe, is optional. Version 2011.01.24-1ubuntu0.2 (natty), package size 50 kB, installed size 176 kB | 16:25 |
| cyberanger | the cap bit | 16:25 |
| Unit193 | Pandora has caps still? (I'm really not sure) If you don't use their flash client, you don't get them | 16:26 |
| Unit193 | Pithos too | 16:26 |
| cyberanger | they did that as Flash LSO's before, but they seem to have changed methods (cause I shred them & route them to /dev/null | 16:26 |
| cyberanger | after 40 hours pay a buck for the rest of the month, or 30 for a year | 16:27 |
| cyberanger | (the 30 for a year is pandora one, which actually might be worth it, cause it removes some (if not all) ads | 16:27 |
| cyberanger | higher quality audio too) | 16:28 |
| cyberanger | pianobar does work though, keeps some distance from flash too it seems | 16:30 |
| cyberanger | guess it still needs aac support though | 16:30 |
| * cyberanger will have to pick apart it some | 16:31 | |
| cyberanger | Unit193: looks like pianobar uses http, not https | 18:42 |
| cyberanger | kind of a shame, maybe I can fix that | 18:42 |
| Unit193 | I would have to assume the same for Pithos (But I like pianobar better anyway) | 18:43 |
| cyberanger | doesn't look like they configured it that way, stunnel might be able to do it though | 18:45 |
| cyberanger | damn, I've gotta break out windows, this pdf junk isn't even working right on a mac | 18:46 |
| cyberanger | wonder if it's my end or the server | 18:47 |
| wrst | cyberanger: wow | 19:35 |
| cyberanger | or, perhaps the higher than usual latency & lower bandwidth (well usual to a federally paid sysadmin) | 19:35 |
| wrst | windows and make | 19:35 |
| wrst | *mac | 19:35 |
| pace_t_zulu | hey guys | 19:36 |
| Unit193 | Howdy? | 19:36 |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, due to some real messed up issue in Adobe Reader (or more likely, I hope, the server generating them, or their browser plugin, poor setup) | 19:36 |
| pace_t_zulu | i just made a slight modification to http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org | 19:36 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: how slight? I don't notice anything standing out | 19:38 |
| wrst | hey Unit193 | 19:38 |
| wrst | cyberanger: you using adobe reador on linux? or some other one? | 19:38 |
| pace_t_zulu | look closer... | 19:39 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i like htat you have more than one entry on the first page,and... did you do something to the calendar? | 19:39 |
| pace_t_zulu | nothing to the calendar | 19:42 |
| pace_t_zulu | font .... | 19:42 |
| wrst | ahh ok that expalins why that looked different :) | 19:42 |
| cyberanger | wrst: normally I use evince, this isn't normal, so acroread | 19:44 |
| * cyberanger is backed into a corner on this | 19:44 | |
| wrst | adobe reader last i used it wasn't too bad on linux | 19:45 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: font, ah, I usually shrug that off | 19:45 |
| cyberanger | wrst: as a browser plugin, with javascript call home functions | 19:45 |
| pace_t_zulu | i reckon having the ubuntu font on ubuntu-tennessee.org isn't a bad thing | 19:45 |
| cyberanger | & the pdf actually generated on the server, dynamically generated, not just a file | 19:46 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: depends on if a new guy with network issues can still render it in windows | 19:46 |
| cyberanger | wrst: so yeah, the added "features" above makes it all unpredictable | 19:48 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: Got a sec? What would you think about making Debian testing a base for a Fluxbox project? How much does it break, how much do you have to fix it, stability and such (Or if you're busy) | 19:48 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: crunchbang & others kinda answer that for you, in terms of proving it's worked for others | 19:50 |
| cyberanger | it's testing, so it's not bulletproof (what is?) but debian testing has worked for me, for crunchbang | 19:50 |
| cyberanger | for others | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | I was asking what you think, but that's a good thought | 19:51 |
| * Unit193 relay :P | 19:51 | |
| cyberanger | Unit193: I say go with it, it has worked for my stuff | 19:52 |
| cyberanger | but my stuff is wip still, hence why I threw that in ;-) | 19:52 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: it's using google webfont | 19:53 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: you want a screenshot from IE? | 19:53 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: Alright, if he asks anymore, I may ask you (And I'll stop bugging you now :P ) | 19:53 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: do something crazy, crazy might break, but I keep pushing that envelope, no breakage yet | 19:53 |
| cyberanger | and fluxbox isn't that far out there | 19:53 |
| cyberanger | why not | 19:53 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: no thanks, I trust you, that it works in Internet exPloiter | 19:54 |
| cyberanger | that was just my only thought, looks nice | 19:54 |
| cyberanger | wrst: got it working on linux, took alot of coaxing | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | seems to be on their end though | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | I'd guess they're just overloading their servers with that junk | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | done, for the moment at least | 20:25 |
| cyberanger | bbaib | 20:39 |
| Unit193 | #! is running on Stable (well, now anyway) | 20:40 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: ping | 21:33 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: pong | 21:49 |
| pace_t_zulu | Svpernova09: ping | 22:26 |
| pace_t_zulu | hey wrst | 22:27 |
| pace_t_zulu | trying to get favicon.ico updated on ubuntu-tennessee.org | 22:27 |
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