[00:12] <wrst> but for some things a desktop still is the way to go, dealing with video for one
[00:15] <cyberanger> yeah, at that point you get to specialist in some hardware
[00:15] <cyberanger> and that isn't something many do mobile
[00:15] <cyberanger> some do, but not many
[00:18] <wrst> it gets very expensive mobile to do it
[00:25] <cyberanger> it easily could, depends on exactly how far you go with it
[00:25] <cyberanger> and if you do it for a living, an extra paycheck or two for being mobile can pay for the difference
[00:26] <wrst> yep that is true, i'm downloading the latest oneric or however you spell it cyberanger :)
[00:36] <cyberanger> have fun with that
[00:36] <cyberanger> I've pretty much moved to debian testing now
[00:37] <cyberanger> still some ubuntu, but the difference at this point is only visiable in one file
[00:37] <wrst> well like to take a look but in a VM
[00:37] <cyberanger> /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:37] <wrst> :)
[00:38] <wrst> cyberanger:  I would really like to like debain, if i had servers that mattered it would run debian but on desktop just not that great for me
[00:40] <cyberanger> wrst: for a person favoring gnome3 over unity, I'm suprised to hear you say that
[00:41] <wrst> cyberanger: well its just more effort to get debian going for me, and arch is really pretty simple
[00:41] <wrst> but since you said that cyberanger off i go to try debian testing ina  VM
[00:41] <cyberanger> I think it's easier than you'd think
[00:42] <cyberanger> I however, go a little out of may way on the howto step by step's
[00:42] <cyberanger> lock the doors tighter, automate some things further, others I remove the automation
[00:42] <cyberanger> make them human iniated only
[00:43] <wrst> well downloading the netinstall image
[00:43] <wrst> cyberanger:  and this will never need to be "upgraded" pretty much a rolling release?
[00:44] <cyberanger> that's a reasonable choice, I usually don't do that (since I like having offline capability, or install on celluar cards, and netinst leaves out ppp support)
[00:45] <wrst> in a VM figured this should be good,
[00:45] <cyberanger> it can be, change /etc/apt/sources.list from wheezy to testing
[00:45] <cyberanger> oh yeah
[00:45] <cyberanger> and in alot of my cases, it is for me
[00:45] <wrst> i thought wheezy was testing?
[00:45] <cyberanger> yes, but squeeze was testing, but testing stays testing
[00:46] <cyberanger> symlink
[00:46] <cyberanger> (and the installer you grabbed you need to check it was testing and not stable)
[00:46] <wrst> gothcha and wheezy will become stable when its the new stable
[00:46] <cyberanger> yep
[00:46] <wrst> well with debian that may be 5 years so i have time ;)
[00:47] <cyberanger> codenames, just like oneric or whatnot is alpha or beta now, but will be a stable release (only ubuntu has no offical unstable & testing branch)
[00:48] <wrst> gotcha like mandriva has cooker and if you stay on cooker you always get the new stuff
[00:52] <cyberanger> cooker being unstable, like sid, or like 'testing' which for the moment is wheezy
[00:53] <wrst> testing
[00:53] <cyberanger> but yeah, you have the idea, 'testing' never moves, all the safe but untested stuff leaves sid for testing
[00:53] <cyberanger> and testing gets a codename, to prepare for the next stable, like ubuntu has oneric now
[00:53] <wrst> so sid is untested?
[00:54] <cyberanger> unstable, actually
[00:54] <cyberanger> but yeah, to compare to wheezy, sid isn't tested
[00:54] <wrst> gotcha, arch has a testing repo... and well its I think you could say unstable
[00:54] <cyberanger> it works, but it's raw code pretty much
[00:54] <wrst> so goes from sid, then to wheezy?
[00:55] <wrst> or unstable to testing?
[00:55] <cyberanger> somebody made it, goes there, works or not (usually it works, just not tested for conflicts with something else)
[00:55] <cyberanger> testing (atm wheezy, but testing will be something else soon enough) plucks stuff from sid
[00:56] <cyberanger> not an outright freeze
[00:56] <wrst> hmm cyberanger i have kernel options 486, 686-pae
[00:56] <cyberanger> then testing (under it's codename) goes in a development range, and the codename status changes to stable
[00:57] <cyberanger> wrst: did you enable pae in virtualbox settings?
[00:57] <cyberanger> physical address extensions
[00:57] <wrst> no i didn't and i'm not over 4GB even on the host machine
[00:57] <wrst> yes just curious 486 vs. 686?
[00:57] <cyberanger> other benifits, you should still be early enough, power off, enable pae, then 686-pae
[00:58] <cyberanger> 486 works, but meant for old machines
[00:58] <wrst> ok what i suspected but haven't seen that option or haven't noticed it atleast
[00:58] <cyberanger> and by old, I mean 95-2000 era hardware
[00:58] <cyberanger> it's not in the start wizard
[00:59] <cyberanger> settings, system, motherboard if I recall
[00:59] <cyberanger> then boot debian installer again
[00:59] <cyberanger> (done it out of habit so much, forgot about that)
[00:59] <wrst> yeah i chose the 686
[00:59] <cyberanger> but not 686-pae?
[01:00] <wrst> no just 686
[01:00] <cyberanger> it works, more favored over 486, less than 686-pae though
[01:01] <wrst> well no doubt i will be doing this again :)
[01:02] <cyberanger> memory is the main thing people think of, but there are some other benifits
[01:02] <wrst> yeah well i'm just curious to get it working now anyway
[01:02] <cyberanger> I've just sorta done it for so long, I forget why I do
[01:03] <cyberanger> lol, yeah
[01:03] <wrst> well i do like the new login manager in 11.10
[01:04] <wrst> cyberanger:  debian desktop environment? what is that gnome I'm guessing
[01:04] <wrst> i'm thinking in the past it just said gnome
[01:04] <wrst> but been a few months
[01:05] <wrst> and cyberanger some neat things, jockey notes that you need to upgrade vbox guest additions very cool
[01:10] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, they have other options, a fan of xfce and lxde
[01:10] <cyberanger> but that (should still be) gnome
[01:11] <cyberanger> yeah, debian has moved away from some of it's GNU & FSF only princibals
[01:12] <wrst> well that may upset richard stallman but...
[01:12] <cyberanger> they've actually made the main branch fully compliant recently, but they've made it easier for non-free contrib and restricted to be used
[01:12] <wrst> a new member to the team cyberanger, you know what would be nice to have some sort of info packet or something to send new members
[01:13] <cyberanger> some via jockey, other methods too
[01:13] <cyberanger> they're becoming open minded some, being wise, and cautious
[01:13] <wrst> yea cyberanger when i was trying to use non-free it was  pain in the rear
[01:14] <cyberanger> wrst: a change in topic, you mean our loco, new members with an information packet?
[01:14] <cyberanger> or a new debian user
[01:14] <wrst> cyberanger: check your email new loco member :P
[01:14] <wrst> but yeah something to let them know what we do where / how to communicate that type of thing?
[01:15] <cyberanger> not even 10 minutes ago, yeah
[01:15] <cyberanger> but your timing, I had to wonder a little
[01:16] <cyberanger> it would, if maintained
[01:16] <wrst> my phone beeped so got right on it
[01:16] <cyberanger> I saw it in mutt
[01:16] <wrst> yeah that's the thing keeping something like that maintained, good point
[01:17] <cyberanger> makes me wonder if we ever did that before
[01:18]  * cyberanger spends more time updating his own documentation on things, that actually using the same documents
[01:18] <cyberanger> waist of bloddy time
[01:18] <wrst> well we all gotta waste time doing something :)
[01:19] <cyberanger> yeah, but that is one thing that's slowed me down on swissknife-router
[01:20] <cyberanger> and I've already got enough excuses on those delays
[01:21] <wrst> well i have everything downloaded now its installing woo hoo
[01:22] <cyberanger> that's great
[01:23] <wrst> yeah i'm going from 10/1 to 6/768 internet at the new place that's a bummer
[01:26] <cyberanger> 6M down 768k up?
[01:26] <wrst> yes
[01:26] <cyberanger> that's not bad
[01:26] <cyberanger> worse than before, but not real bad
[01:26] <cyberanger> best I had was 6 down & 1 up
[01:26] <wrst> no i'm really enjoying this speed
[01:27] <cyberanger> worst I had was well, 33.6k dial-up modem
[01:27] <cyberanger> or my iden phone of 20k
[01:27] <wrst> ouch
[01:28] <cyberanger> but nowadays a cheeseburger buys so much speed
[01:28] <cyberanger> hard drives are cheap, sneakernet it
[01:28] <wrst> cyberanger: unity is certainly improving
[01:28] <cyberanger> that's what I'm likely to do for a small time
[01:28] <cyberanger> when I get notice to packup and haul out for a little bit
[01:29] <cyberanger> (depending on virgin mobile (sprint) coverage, and landline access)
[01:30] <cyberanger> operate as I am, or on dial-up & wifi
[01:35] <wrst> hmm debian aborted
[01:35] <cyberanger> really, why?
[01:36] <wrst> no clue
[01:37] <wrst> trying again :)
[01:40] <cyberanger> well, I'd enable pae first
[01:40] <cyberanger> I know that worked again & again here
[01:41] <wrst> i did :)
[01:57] <wrst> here we go with the downloading again
[02:00] <cyberanger> hope it works this time
[02:05] <wrst> if it doesn't... well i can try again :)
[02:08] <wrst> i had two vm's running cyberanger i suppose that could have had something to do with it but should not have been a problem
[02:08] <orangeninja> cyberanger: Yes it still does have Ubuntu 10.04 on it
[02:10] <orangeninja> part of me wants to reformat all to linux. Other part wants to keep a small 30Gb windows partition and rest linux. but I would have to go back to factory to make windows part smaller
[02:11] <cyberanger> orangeninja: but you didn't tell the ubuntu installer to use the full disc, did you?
[02:12] <cyberanger> and potentailly overwrite the recovery partition somewhere in the process
[02:12] <orangeninja> nope, I still see it as the D drive. I even went into disk managment and set it as active. But F 11 at boot does nothing
[02:14] <cyberanger> hrm
[02:18] <Unit193> Use grub to boot it (SuperGrubDisk if you don't have grub on the partition)
[02:19] <Unit193> If you don't see grub on boot edit /etc/default/grub and the hidden timeout, run os-prober and update-grub
[02:19] <orangeninja> I have grub it makes me choose window or ubuntu every time I boot.
[02:19] <orangeninja> 2 window entrys just boot regular windows
[02:19] <cyberanger> orangeninja: what drive has the recovery partiton
[02:19] <Unit193> That's odd, normally there is a recovery option
[02:19] <cyberanger> /dev/sdXN
[02:20] <cyberanger> Unit193: HP's thrown some curveballs before (as my own HP Pavilion dv2742se has proven)
[02:20] <orangeninja> let me see if i can make a pic for you guys.... I need to clean old kernals but I never did because I thought I was going to reinstal untill I ran into this... heh
[02:21] <Unit193> cyberanger: I guess... Our Compaq has it just fine though :/  Who else is in swissknife with you anywho? (Figured it might be nicer than just flashing the it :P )
[02:22] <cyberanger> Unit193: you mean people developing it? or aware of it, assisted in some way or another, in an IRC channel, etc.
[02:23] <Unit193> cyberanger: I wasn't sure if the number was the same, but I was mostly thinking... Maybe channel, I don't know now :P
[02:24] <cyberanger> channel has wrst & myself, I've gotten assistance in some information from a few people involved in keryx
[02:24] <orangeninja> AHHHHHH!!! I am so sorry.... it was right there SDA2
[02:24] <orangeninja> I bet that is it.
[02:24] <cyberanger> the list is fairly small
[02:25] <cyberanger> orangeninja: /dev/sda2
[02:25] <cyberanger> does that match a grub2 entry?
[02:25] <orangeninja> I am making sure I got everything before I restore factory settings
[02:25] <orangeninja> I guess grub overides F 11, huh?
[02:26] <orangeninja> duh
[02:26] <cyberanger> or your hitting it too late, or something
[02:26] <cyberanger> but yeah, that's easily a possibility
[02:26] <orangeninja> nope, I have tried as soon as I power until I get the beeeeep!
[02:26] <cyberanger> HP tied in a bootloader chain, recovery first
[02:27] <cyberanger> grub in the MBR would adjust that chain
[02:27] <cyberanger> something that isn't a huge issue
[02:27] <cyberanger> but hp did other things over time
[02:27] <cyberanger> or more accurately, more ways to have things conflict
[02:28] <orangeninja> brb
[02:30] <wrst> 50% there cyberanger :)
[02:32] <cyberanger> wrst: so the question is the glass half full or half empty?
[02:32] <wrst> i'm going with full
[02:32] <cyberanger> (my answer, the glass is the wrong size)
[02:33] <cyberanger> wrst: ^
[02:33] <Juzzy> well technically
[02:33] <cyberanger> or my more scarsatic version, neither, some idiot gave me the wrong size glass
[02:33] <Juzzy> the glass is always full
[02:33] <Juzzy> unless it's half filled in a vacuum
[02:33] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm curoius about debian testing  while I like arch i really like the thought of being on debian all the time also
[02:34] <cyberanger> Juzzy: so one half is filled with nothing ;-)
[02:34] <Juzzy> "nothing"?
[02:34] <Juzzy> you mean oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, argon, etc?
[02:34] <Juzzy> in a gas form
[02:34] <Juzzy> :>
[02:34] <cyberanger> well, not in a vacum
[02:34] <wrst> cyberanger:  there is always one in every crowd... :)
[02:35] <Juzzy> its half full of air, half full of water
[02:35] <Juzzy> ;/
[02:35] <cyberanger> just my way of saying, that question is one with no right answer, just whatever answer is handy
[02:35] <Juzzy> it does, half empty and half full are BOTH Wrong
[02:35] <Juzzy> it's 100% full in either case
[02:35] <cyberanger> however few go outside the two options given (making it a good optimist vs pessimist guage)
[02:36] <cyberanger> wrst: tonight there seems to be two
[02:36] <Juzzy> :(
[02:37] <cyberanger> Juzzy: I think that's a good thin
[02:37] <cyberanger> thing*
[02:37] <Juzzy> it's ok
[02:37] <Juzzy> it's how my technical mind works ;/
[02:37]  * cyberanger doesn't just think outside the box, he blows it up
[02:37] <Juzzy> drives the wife bonkers sometimes
[02:37] <wrst> ha ha
[02:38]  * cyberanger has the RDX to prove it
[02:38] <Juzzy> it's hard to be a christian when your mind is detailed oriented :/
[02:39] <cyberanger> oh, yeah, it can be
[02:39] <cyberanger> and I take it she's the real devout type then?
[02:40] <Juzzy> well, heh yes
[02:40] <Juzzy> we are both christians
[02:40] <cyberanger> (not saying there is a sliding scale on how one is devout to their beliefs)
[02:40] <Juzzy> neither of us are bible thumpers
[02:41] <Juzzy> I actually enjoy debating aithiests though
[02:41]  * wrst has bible will thump
[02:41] <wrst> Juzzy: really, thats interesting
[02:41] <Juzzy> yea, I'm rather good at it
[02:41] <cyberanger> the hard part that the torah, the koran, the bible & the constitution left things up to interpurtation
[02:41] <Juzzy> the problem I have is all the holes in the bible
[02:41] <Juzzy> which makes it hard to defend sometimes
[02:42] <cyberanger> two vary dangerous things when left too vauge, politics & religion
[02:42] <Juzzy> regardless, the cores of religion revolve around 1 argument
[02:42] <Juzzy> intellegent design
[02:42] <cyberanger> Juzzy: reminds me of a scene of a BBC show, Mrs. Brow's boys
[02:42] <Juzzy> it's harder for an athiest to prove God doesnt than it is that we evolved from dust
[02:43] <Juzzy> erm vice versa
[02:43] <wrst> Juzzy: I have found that with atheism it is a religion in and of itself
[02:43] <cyberanger> she's devout cathloic, but when a bunch of mormons come to her house, she pulls all the stops
[02:43] <Juzzy> harder to prove we came from dust
[02:43] <Juzzy> heh
[02:43] <wrst> but I know many and atheist that I do like also
[02:43] <Juzzy> oh sure
[02:43] <Juzzy> the impressive thing about athiest, they know the bible better than most christians
[02:43] <wrst> cyberanger: grub is installing this sounds to be good
[02:43] <cyberanger> wrst: sounds real good
[02:44] <Juzzy> which puts them at considerable risk
[02:44] <wrst> Juzzy: agreed, then some stupid christian tries to defend their faith adn well its all over and they look stupid
[02:44] <cyberanger> Juzzy: yeah, I'd love to see more athiests try that on the torah & koran too
[02:44] <Juzzy> What I find absolutely  amazing
[02:44] <cyberanger> I mean, if your gonna say there is no god, you gotta punch holes in all god-beliving faith
[02:44] <Juzzy> is the youtube simulations of the universe and X Y Whatever star
[02:45] <Juzzy> which is like 1 million x larger than the sun
[02:45] <wrst> cyberanger: i have me some bootin' going on
[02:45] <Juzzy> cyberanger: the whole argument revolves around orgin of man
[02:45] <Juzzy> so regardless if some dude died on a cross 2k yrs ago
[02:46] <Juzzy> or some leader came up 400 yrs later
[02:46] <wrst> ok cyberanger here's why i probably won't use debian testing... still no gnome 3!
[02:46] <cyberanger> Juzzy: yeah, except for a buddist (sp?)
[02:46] <Juzzy> did we come from monkeys, etc or created
[02:46] <Juzzy> actually
[02:46] <Juzzy> buddism isnt really a religion
[02:46] <Juzzy> it's a meditation practice more than anyhting
[02:47] <Juzzy> well by definition maybe so
[02:47] <Juzzy> Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and moral values.
[02:47] <orangeninja> LMAO! for your information glass was empty... all out after 1.
[02:47] <cyberanger> yeah, that's the hard part, drawing the line
[02:48] <cyberanger> I'd say it is, you have faith in it & define your life to it
[02:48] <Juzzy> so based on that, atheism is actually a religion
[02:48] <cyberanger> but perhaps that's myself leaning back on something definivite vs subjective
[02:49] <cyberanger> yeah, based on that, atheism could be a religion
[02:49] <cyberanger> strong faith in no god existing, not sure how one define's their life to it
[02:50] <cyberanger> but I suppose by being unhindered from any customs any god commanded could fill that void
[02:50] <Juzzy> I had a awesome punchline to an athiest friend on fb once
[02:50] <cyberanger> wrst: good news
[02:50] <cyberanger> it's like stealing candy from an athiest
[02:50] <Juzzy> his wife (ath and lib) posted how inhumane and rediculous to circumsize boys
[02:50] <cyberanger> Atheist: there is no god
[02:50] <Juzzy> so after about 40 going back and forths
[02:51] <cyberanger> christian: there is no candy
[02:51] <Juzzy> I said...
[02:51] <wrst> cyberanger:  what is the good news?
[02:51] <Juzzy> so I'm going to guess you're pro-choice
[02:51] <cyberanger> athiest: my god your right
[02:51] <Juzzy> which is a nobrainer for a liberal
[02:51] <Juzzy> she replied (what's that have to do with anything)
[02:51] <cyberanger> Juzzy: lol
[02:51] <cyberanger> wrst: your progress
[02:52] <cyberanger> with debian testing
[02:52] <Juzzy> so I said: So somewhere in your F'd up head, it's ok to shove a rod through a baby's skull and suck out it's brain, but it's not ok to cut some skin off it's penis?
[02:52] <Juzzy> <end of chain>
[02:52] <wrst> yeah but no gnome 3 cyberanger, what in the world are they testing?
[02:52] <orangeninja> BOOOM! Juzzy
[02:53] <cyberanger> wrst: you selected the desktop, do you have any desktop showing up?
[02:53] <Juzzy> ya, ^5 mysqlf, none of the liberals would do so
[02:53] <Juzzy> lol myself
[02:53] <cyberanger> Juzzy: I see a limited use as reasonable
[02:53] <wrst> cyberanger: yep have gnome 2.x
[02:53] <Juzzy> I have a hard time typing myself, always comes out mysql
[02:53] <orangeninja> lol has your friends invited you back? Awsome comeback my friend,
[02:53] <cyberanger> extremely limited, if one life isn't lost, both will die
[02:53] <Juzzy> limited use != pro-choice
[02:54] <Juzzy> 100% different
[02:54] <wrst> Juzzy: i prefer to say pro killing babies
[02:54] <Juzzy> some preacher is getting sued in texas
[02:54] <Juzzy> b/c he bought a billboard
[02:54] <Juzzy> erm -preacher + guy
[02:55] <cyberanger> Juzzy: exactly, but I think many don't accept that there could be legitimate reasons
[02:55] <Juzzy> he has a pair of hands and a baby chalkline
[02:55] <Juzzy> saying: I would had a child if my wife didnt choise to murder it
[02:55] <cyberanger> the debate is so life or death, it's gotten tunnel vision on just that
[02:55] <wrst> ok cyberanger found a way to get gnome 3 adding expiremental repo, this sounds dangerous
[02:55] <Juzzy> I imagine they are not still married
[02:55] <cyberanger> wrst: is it not in the default repos?
[02:55] <orangeninja> wow
[02:55] <wrst> nope gnome 2 still default
[02:56] <cyberanger> wrst: so debian testing has left gnome 4 to sid for now, hrm
[02:56] <wrst> yeah seems a little silly to me
[02:56] <cyberanger> I use both, so that would explain my mistake
[02:56] <cyberanger> eh, debian (outside sid) is known for caution
[02:57] <wrst> yeah i suspect something is about to break :)
[02:57] <wrst> well the mirror I'm on is using cyberanger's dial up so i'm going to go to bed while this is downloading see everyone later
[03:01] <Juzzy> cya
[03:01] <orangeninja> cya Juzzy
[03:01] <orangeninja> ok 250 gb hd Ill make it easy and put 50Gb as windows. How should I partition the rest
[03:01] <Juzzy> wrst, not me
[03:01] <cyberanger> wrst: funny
[03:01] <Juzzy> but ok heh
[03:02] <cyberanger> real funny
[03:02] <orangeninja> I have 4 gb ram
[03:02] <Juzzy> orangeninja: what's on the rest?
[03:02]  * cyberanger isn't on dial up without a real outage or unexpected travel issues
[03:02] <cyberanger> night wrst
[03:02] <orangeninja> it is going to be linus
[03:02] <orangeninja> linux
[03:02] <Juzzy> what I do (so shoot me)
[03:02] <Juzzy> is put 20gb to linux
[03:03] <Juzzy> and the rest to windows
[03:03] <Juzzy> then map ntfs to linux for storing random crao
[03:03] <Juzzy> p
[03:03] <Juzzy> b/c you can't easily read ext in windows
[03:03] <Juzzy> but linux can ntfs np
[03:03] <Juzzy> but that's just me, anti-linux desktops
[03:04] <orangeninja> hmmm this is a HP dv6775 latop
[03:04] <orangeninja> windows vista pro or home pro I dont know....
[03:04] <orangeninja> would the ntfs be / in linux?
[03:04] <orangeninja> I mean home
[03:05] <Juzzy> no
[03:05] <Juzzy> well, it -could- b
[03:05] <Juzzy> e
[03:05] <Juzzy> I just do /mnt/ntfs or whatever
[03:06] <Juzzy> an ln-s downloads or whatever I wanna share
[03:06] <Juzzy> but that's just me, bro
[03:06] <cyberanger> Juzzy: I've found the ext tools in windows more reliable lately
[03:06] <Juzzy> you do whatever
[03:06] <cyberanger> just needing the ext4 features patched in
[03:06] <Juzzy> ya, just not native
[03:07] <orangeninja> yeah, i am just a guy who is learning. I like linux enough that I mostly boot laptop to linux unless I need widows. SO I wanted to make a primary linux laptop, but scared to drop windows all the way off of laptop... know what I mean. Just in case.
[03:10] <orangeninja> I mean everything seems to work on the laptop. I have not even got the weird touchpad crash in a while. So I could probably make it a total linux machine if I could?
[03:15] <cyberanger> Juzzy: idk if ntfs support could be called native, to linux at least
[03:16] <cyberanger> due to the reverse engineered nature, higer bug rate & not in all distros by default
[03:16] <cyberanger> ubuntu enables it, more have over the years, as bugs thin out
[03:23] <cyberanger> idk, I've never been a huge fan
[03:25] <orangeninja> of what? ntfs on linux?
[03:26] <cyberanger> ntfs in general
[03:27] <cyberanger> improvement over fat32, yes, but fat goes back to dos, you had too much to improve by then
[03:27] <cyberanger> by NTFS's release, that is, just anything new was an improvement
[04:35] <vychune> o/
[04:36] <Unit193> Howdy
[04:36] <vychune> howja lol
[15:58] <cyberanger> Hola
[15:59] <cyberanger> I think pandora is gonna say I hit their cap this month, hit 25% already
[15:59] <cyberanger> mostly cause of yesterday & more today I'm sure
[16:00] <cyberanger> and I've got two days ahead where it'll be running for 12 hours straight
[16:01]  * cyberanger regrets having flash installed, but pandora & hulu seem to be worth it
[16:18] <Unit193> cyberanger: pianobar = no caps
[16:23] <cyberanger> Unit193 you've last me
[16:24] <cyberanger> lost me*
[16:25] <Unit193> pianobar (source: pianobar): console based player for Pandora radio. In component universe, is optional. Version 2011.01.24-1ubuntu0.2 (natty), package size 50 kB, installed size 176 kB
[16:25] <cyberanger> the cap bit
[16:26] <Unit193> Pandora has caps still? (I'm really not sure) If you don't use their flash client, you don't get them
[16:26] <Unit193> Pithos too
[16:26] <cyberanger> they did that as Flash LSO's before, but they seem to have changed methods (cause I shred them & route them to /dev/null
[16:27] <cyberanger> after 40 hours pay a buck for the rest of the month, or 30 for a year
[16:27] <cyberanger> (the 30 for a year is pandora one, which actually might be worth it, cause it removes some (if not all) ads
[16:28] <cyberanger> higher quality audio too)
[16:30] <cyberanger> pianobar does work though, keeps some distance from flash too it seems
[16:30] <cyberanger> guess it still needs aac support though
[16:31]  * cyberanger will have to pick apart it some
[18:42] <cyberanger> Unit193: looks like pianobar uses http, not https
[18:42] <cyberanger> kind of a shame, maybe I can fix that
[18:43] <Unit193> I would have to assume the same for Pithos (But I like pianobar better anyway)
[18:45] <cyberanger> doesn't look like they configured it that way, stunnel might be able to do it though
[18:46] <cyberanger> damn, I've gotta break out windows, this pdf junk isn't even working right on a mac
[18:47] <cyberanger> wonder if it's my end or the server
[19:35] <wrst> cyberanger: wow
[19:35] <cyberanger> or, perhaps the higher than usual latency & lower bandwidth (well usual to a federally paid sysadmin)
[19:35] <wrst> windows and make
[19:35] <wrst> *mac
[19:36] <pace_t_zulu> hey guys
[19:36] <Unit193> Howdy?
[19:36] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, due to some real messed up issue in Adobe Reader (or more likely, I hope, the server generating them, or their browser plugin, poor setup)
[19:36] <pace_t_zulu> i just made a slight modification to http://www.ubuntu-tennessee.org
[19:38] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: how slight? I don't notice anything standing out
[19:38] <wrst> hey Unit193
[19:38] <wrst> cyberanger: you using adobe reador on linux? or some other one?
[19:39] <pace_t_zulu> look closer...
[19:39] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i like htat you have more than one entry on the first page,and... did you do something to the calendar?
[19:42] <pace_t_zulu> nothing to the calendar
[19:42] <pace_t_zulu> font ....
[19:42] <wrst> ahh ok that expalins why that looked different :)
[19:44] <cyberanger> wrst: normally I use evince, this isn't normal, so acroread
[19:44]  * cyberanger is backed into a corner on this
[19:45] <wrst> adobe reader last i used it wasn't too bad on linux
[19:45] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: font, ah, I usually shrug that off
[19:45] <cyberanger> wrst: as a browser plugin, with javascript call home functions
[19:45] <pace_t_zulu> i reckon having the ubuntu font on ubuntu-tennessee.org isn't a bad thing
[19:46] <cyberanger> & the pdf actually generated on the server, dynamically generated, not just a file
[19:46] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: depends on if a new guy with network issues can still render it in windows
[19:48] <cyberanger> wrst: so yeah, the added "features" above makes it all unpredictable
[19:48] <Unit193> cyberanger: Got a sec? What would you think about making Debian testing a base for a Fluxbox project? How much does it break, how much do you have to fix it, stability and such (Or if you're busy)
[19:50] <cyberanger> Unit193: crunchbang & others kinda answer that for you, in terms of proving it's worked for others
[19:50] <cyberanger> it's testing, so it's not bulletproof (what is?) but debian testing has worked for me, for crunchbang
[19:50] <cyberanger> for others
[19:51] <Unit193> I was asking what you think, but that's a good thought
[19:51]  * Unit193 relay :P
[19:52] <cyberanger> Unit193: I say go with it, it has worked for my stuff
[19:52] <cyberanger> but my stuff is wip still, hence why I threw that in ;-)
[19:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger: it's using google webfont
[19:53] <pace_t_zulu> cyberanger:  you want a screenshot from IE?
[19:53] <Unit193> cyberanger: Alright, if he asks anymore, I may ask you (And I'll stop bugging you now :P )
[19:53] <cyberanger> Unit193: do something crazy, crazy might break, but I keep pushing that envelope, no breakage yet
[19:53] <cyberanger> and fluxbox isn't that far out there
[19:53] <cyberanger> why not
[19:54] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: no thanks, I trust you, that it works in Internet exPloiter
[19:54] <cyberanger> that was just my only thought, looks nice
[20:12] <cyberanger> wrst: got it working on linux, took alot of coaxing
[20:12] <cyberanger> seems to be on their end though
[20:12] <cyberanger> I'd guess they're just overloading their servers with that junk
[20:25] <cyberanger> done, for the moment at least
[20:39] <cyberanger> bbaib
[20:40] <Unit193> #! is running on Stable (well, now anyway)
[21:33] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ping
[21:49] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: pong
[22:26] <pace_t_zulu> Svpernova09: ping
[22:27] <pace_t_zulu> hey wrst
[22:27] <pace_t_zulu> trying to get favicon.ico updated on ubuntu-tennessee.org