[00:00] .... That sounds like something they should add, then. [00:01] you can tweak Amarok's notification a little in its settings [00:02] Yes, but I'd rather that it used the system notification.... KNotify. [00:02] And be able to tweak that. [00:02] but doing so for each application might mean each application adding in that functioanlity [00:03] Any way to work around that, possibly? [00:03] dunno [00:15] Is Kubuntu's KDE experience close to the standard KDE? [00:26] SharkMonkey: should be [00:36] anybody know why the sound in Linux is so much quiter than in Windows on my Laptop? [00:42] Walzmyn, I'd use alsamixer or something to check if all the channel are set to as high as they ought to be [00:43] The master channel might be all the way up, but the speaker volume might be at 50% [00:44] SharkMonkey: everything that possibly can be is set at maximum === myrdos is now known as ebonair [00:58] Well, I think I'm going to sign off... [02:06] hi [02:06] https://imgur.com/a/XulUq <-- is this happening for anyone else? [02:07] I'm not sure I understand... [02:07] LINKSWORD2: did you look at the image? [02:07] Roey: Please explain what you're seeing in those images. [02:07] Yes. [02:07] did you see how the tasks look squished in taskmanager? [02:07] I don't know why.; [02:07] i simply don't use multiple rows [02:08] prefer windows 7-esque taskbar [02:08] yeah but it worked until KDE 4.7... [02:08] maybe try different task manager? [02:08] like smooth tasks [02:08] on a side note, does anyone here know about debian packaging? [02:09] nein [02:09] dammit [02:09] a different task manager. I dunno. I just want to know why this doesn't work as intended (I am following up on #kde) [02:09] hey tonymc [02:10] mm? [02:11] ? [02:19] hello === nickmoeck_ is now known as nickmoeck [03:47] Hello all :-) [03:47] any one here? [03:48] I have a technical problem [03:49] I have somehow lost the bar at the top of every page/program/window I open, and so now I dont have the ability to close any windows, or minimize anything... :-( [04:08] I'm having a very odd problem with visual themes or appearances. [04:08] And I'm not sure what happened. [05:04] I have an issue with the 10.10 livecd for ppc. I have formatted a new drive with an hfs (for yaboot), ext3, and swap partition. The installer fails at "Scanning disks... 100%" after indicating which partititions to use for what. [05:31] how the heck are you supposed to see anything with krunner's transparency? [05:32] half the time it's over a dark window and I can't read the output [05:40] do you have the blur effect turned on? It can help text visibility on transparent windows [05:40] I use a dark theme anyways (no transparency), which is also an option [05:45] anyone have any experience with servicemenus? I'm trying to make a right click open with console here for folders but when I use it, it always sends me to the ~ directory not the directory i right clicked on. My servicemenu .desktop file is here: http://pastebin.com/Z75CeD2f . [06:29] good morning [06:31] since upgraded to kde 4.7 i get a empty space in task manager: http://i.imgur.com/4MJCX.png some of you also have this problem? === ranxerox_ is now known as ranxerox [06:54] Is there any option for exchange email in Kubuntu? [07:05] corinth: I have never tried it, but I think there's an Akonadi MAPI connector. Maybe it's still in development. === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [07:48] hi, how do i change keyboard layout of the virtual terminal? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:55] Hello I need some advice [09:10] hi, i have a little problem with kpackagekit. On the first boot i inserted the wrong password and now when i try to update my system i receive an authorization error. How can i reset the password for kpackagekit ? [10:07] salut [10:08] quelqu'un pourrait-il m'aider à résoudre un problème ? [10:33] здрасти === anonymous is now known as Guest49568 [10:43] how can I rename my volume from "SEAGATE ST4651321A" to something different? [10:47] systemclient: what filesystem dose it have? [10:47] EXT4 [10:48] OK. this is all very confusing and I haven't got a clue what I'm doing, just trying to follow the guides on Kubuntu. Can I find out here how to get the sound working on my PC? [10:49] alboy: what kind of speakers do you have? Regular headphone jack, or USB? [10:49] with my regular headphone jacks, the volume was just turned down to zero! [10:49] headphone jack [10:50] i've checked all the connections and volume and these are all turned up [10:50] systemclient: then add a label to the device ^^ (see e2label) [10:51] James147: e2label is a tool? [10:51] yes === el2ro_ is now known as el2ro [11:14] Hi people. When I turn on my computer and kubuntu starts to boot, I can see a kind of blue screen with "Loading Linux 2.6.35-25... etc... [11:14] Hos can I see a verbose mode of this boot? [11:14] I mean.. What's really goin on on this boot. Modules, etc. [11:17] you can remove the "splash" from your boot option [11:17] or, if you want to see the raw guts of linux booting, you can remove the "quiet" option too [11:19] Hi people. When I turn on my computer and kubuntu starts to boot, I can see a kind of blue screen with "Loading Linux 2.6.35-25... etc... [11:19] How can I see a verbose mode of this boot? [11:19] I mean.. What's really goin on on this boot. Modules, etc. [11:23] hi all [11:24] how to kill a process that doesn't respont on kill -9 pid ? [11:33] aLeSD: ^^ reboot... -9 is the last ditch attempt to kill a process if it wont die with that it wont die [11:41] it died [11:43] hey! does anybody know a tool for linux that can reduce the size of a .swf file? === laptop is now known as Guest39228 [11:58] k3b keeps trying to preformat my DVD+RWs and failing. I'm pretty sure they're already preformatted, which might be why it's failing. How do I make it stop trying? [12:02] hi [12:08] <_BS_> Just brought home new system, asrock z68, i7-2600k, installed lts. Anything I should be doing to make best advantage of this hardware? e.g. running 2.6.32-33-generic. Should I be running i686 or something else? [12:08] <_BS_> i.e. It's running that, should I be running something else. [12:08] i7 you say? intel core 7? [12:08] <_BS_> Yep. [12:09] _BS_: there is no i686 version any more, -generic detects your hardware and adjusts itself accordingly (Linux is smart :) [12:10] <_BS_> tsimpson: Um. Not. (e.g. Never used to be in the way that you describe.) But getting smarter all the time? (Cool that it does as you describe - thanks for that.) [12:10] _BS_ you *might* benefit from installing the x64 version of kubuntu [12:10] mainly, if you try to install more than 4 gigs of RAM [12:10] <_BS_> D'oh. Sorry, should have said lts 64-bit. [12:10] oh [12:10] <_BS_> 8GB RAM installed and happy. [12:10] some things are more... annoying.. in 64bit still [12:10] well then you're not running i686 at all :p [12:11] <_BS_> D'oh! Didn't say I was running i686, was asking. And I take your point ... d'oh. Will work on mental translations from 32 to 64. (First 64 system, for me.) [12:12] ok well. if it's multicore you could run the realtime kernel. [12:12] you don't need a real-time kernel for multi-core [12:12] didn't say so [12:12] it's mostly useful for media servers [12:12] <_BS_> Expect to be running multiple vm's, so knew 4GB wasn't going to do it, off the bat. Guess I forget to explain these minor, obviously trivial, details, when asking questions. (-: [12:12] oh, well, in that case the *VMs* should probably use the RT kernel [12:13] hmm you've got ia32 installed? [12:13] <_BS_> Interesting. RT kernel designations are??? One machine will be personal workhorse, other one will be gateway / myth + 1080i TV. [12:14] <_BS_> ia32? [12:15] <_BS_> ia32 - doesn't look like it. I expect the system is so recently installed that such packages haven't been auto-installed for lack of need, yet. [12:17] <_BS_> For example - monitor only doing 800x600. Then realized due to loading OS while on KVM. Boot with monitor direct attached, all is well. So, question: What do I need to do so when boot in KVM, it understands the monitor on the other side of the KVM. More ... [12:17] _BS_ ia32 lets you run 32 bit apps natively [12:17] <_BS_> Have monitor settings from old system in its xorg.conf. So, how to do new / current xrandr magic? [12:18] _BS_ when you say you're booting in kvm does that mean you're running kvm on the command line? if so, you set the DISPLAY variable [12:18] <_BS_> ia32, then, will presumably be pulled in auto-magically if/when I try to get a 32-bit app. [I take your point, I will want ia32 then. At some point.] [12:19] yeah, assuming you get said app thru the repositories, which is unlikely [12:20] <_BS_> Sorry ... I forget kvm is software as well. KVM here means my Keyboard/Video/Monitor hardware doohickey, connecting my old and new systems. From my reading, I'm guessing the monitor EBID (?) is not getting pass the KVM at boot to the kernel. [12:20] this is more for running closed-source things, or things you can't compile for whatever reason [12:20] <_BS_> ia32 - gotcha. Note to self, when non-repository 32-bit app fails, go get ia32. Thanks. [12:20] yw [12:21] hmm, normally I'd set up medibuntu and getdeb on a new machine [12:21] <_BS_> Yep, soon as you said it, I clued in. Many in the local lug have run into this / mentioned it. [12:22] and if you're going to be using WINE I'd recommend the PPA for that as well [12:22] otherwise... not thinking of anything [12:23] <_BS_> Yeah, well, at the moment I'm just getting going on the 'basics'. When all is well / etc., I'll clone it off to the other machine, then work on the machine specific roles. [12:23] <_BS_> 'ppa'? [12:24] Personal Package Archive, the new-ish way of setting up a third-party repository [12:24] <_BS_> Wish lm-sensors understood the hardware. Some day. It's a little sweet to see 8 cores going in ksysguard, though. [12:25] <_BS_> BIOS auto-overclocking to 4.8 GHz, 1600 mem CL7. Some day an SSD even ... (-: [12:26] for instance, to add the WINE repo, you say 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-wine/ppa' and you're done [12:26] <_BS_> So ... 'nother problem ... on board NIC no workie. lshw says Broadcom - NetLink BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe? What to do? [12:26] ndiswrapper [12:26] <_BS_> 'ppa' gotcha. [12:27] Broadcom is shit for Linux support [12:28] <_BS_> If I have my druthers ... WINE will never be installed. If I have my druthers, windows software will never again hit any computer of mine. Sadly, I'm dreaming. My netbook usually runs Win 7, and I'll vm my old XP macine into it. [12:28] <_BS_> Yeah, well - it be on the motherboard. At least I only have to go through the hassle once, then get on with my day for a few years. [12:29] <_BS_> VM XP machine into new system, not netbook. ~-) [12:44] <_BS_> bbl === EyeWare is now known as EyesIsMine === james is now known as Guest96973 === Guest96973 is now known as ronnoc [13:35] Hello Kubuntu friends! I'm having an issue that I'm hoping you all can help out with: Running Kubuntu 10.10 with latest available kernel and updates. It seems that I have lost sound on my PC. In the terminal, alsamixer shows all is well and all volumes are up - appears to be a KDE issue as I no longer have a volume indicator at boot. It does show up eventually, but when it does clicking it does nothing. Ideas? [13:36] Isn't 10.10 EOL? [13:38] LogicallyDashing: not yet (April 2012) [13:38] LogicallyDashing: No support is 18 months AFAIK [13:38] help, my calendar in kontact is missing.. [13:38] where do I import it from .. [13:51] Hiyas all [13:52] Hi BluesKaj [13:58] what did i do wrong when after the distri upgrade to 11.04 i have kde till the login and then am in genome. then i installed kubuntu-desktop and deinstalled ubuntu-desktop. didnt help. then i installed kde-full and now the partition is full and my window manager still doesn't work [14:03] MannyNz: change the session type on teh login manager [14:04] tried that didn't help either. but why did it come up with gnome at the first place, when i ever used kde 0o [14:04] at the moment the state ist, that i get thrown back to the konsole since neither window manager can start, since the partition got written full with kde-full [14:06] MannyNz: your / drive is full? well thats probally the problem then# [14:06] "sudo apt-get clean" should freeup some space [14:07] yeah, but it wasn't after the distri-upgrade, at the moment i try to get some more space ( anyone knows how to undo the kde-full installation so that all the stuff gets desinstalled except the kde-standard?) [14:08] well theres about 150mb free now. lets see what works and what doesnt [14:11] hi ronnoc , James147 [14:12] now lxde started 0o ... something really got messed up [14:13] MannyNz: try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a" [14:13] okay hold on a sec === bruno is now known as Guest68034 [14:15] okay did that [14:16] still starts with lxde .. somehow the kde isnt installed properly or something alike === Guest68034 is now known as HAICK [14:18] ups sorry, did dpkg --configure -a [14:24] hmm still starts with lxde. whats the proper command to really get rid of any grafical interfaces but kde ? [14:26] !pure-kde | MannyNz [14:27] !kde [14:27] KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. [14:27] !purekde [14:27] I forgot the ubottu command for the purekde, let me find it online [14:27] If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE » [14:27] okay [14:27] ill give it a try, hope that helps :) [14:28] MannyNz: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde [14:29] ah, thanks BluesKaj :D [14:37] <_BS_> Have new system. mb net not working - lshw says 'NetLink BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe'. How to get going? === kp is now known as Guest20211 === sayakb_away is now known as sayakb [14:40] is there also a page/ command to undo the effects of kde-full, since im quite happy with the normal kde and dont need all that stuff that got installed with kde-full [14:40] hi, how do i play rmvb files on kubuntu? VLC doesn't seem to render them well enough [14:41] _BS_, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart , if that doesn't connect try , sudo dhclient eth0 [14:42] <_BS_> BluesKaj - have 2nd nic in pci slot, it's working fine. 2nd eth port not even listed. [14:42] seems like dragon player handles them quite fine === sayakb is now known as sayakb_away [14:44] _BS_, well , seems you'll have to make one the default nic, unless you want some unusual set where you connect to the net with 2 nics, which I have no experience with [14:46] <_BS_> BluesKaj - I'd be happy to make one a default nic, my issue is I don't even see the other one. Ultimate intent is one nic internal facing, other external facing. Thus far, this feels like a hardware detection / driver issue. [14:48] <_BS_> Hmmm. So maybe start with logs? Since lshw shows nic, something in logs should say something about it. Which log might make such a reference, in /var/log? [14:49] <_BS_> Hmmm. dpkg.log / jockey.log make references to bcmwl- (this is not a wi-fi nic). And I see 'status half-installed' === brian is now known as Guest17946 [14:50] <_BS_> All reference to bcmwl-modaliases or modalias [14:52] _BS_, why not let the router handle the lan and the internet [14:52] !bcm | _BS_ [14:52] _BS_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [14:53] <_BS_> BluesKaj - eventually this system will be the router. [14:55] <_BS_> Oh, for pity's sake. I suspect the Netlink I'm seeing is the one that's working. How to connect lshw output to eth0 to prove they are one in the same? AND, how to wake up / get the one on the MB going. Question: If no cable connected to nic at boot, does nic disappear? [14:55] <_BS_> BluesKaj - as I said, this is NOT a wi-fi nic. [14:58] <_BS_> Never mind last comment on nic - looks like the PCI card is a 3com, so, of course, it would work out of the box. Back to the BCM problem then. lshw is detecting it, but not showing up on interface list. What do I need to do to make it happy? [15:00] yes _BS_ , isee that it's an ethernet nic , but I thought you wanted to run wifi as well , misunderstood . So you want to use the pc as the gateway interface [15:00] <_BS_> Confirmed, daemon.log, syslog, indicate eth0 driver 3c59x, so mb bcm the problem. [15:01] _BS_, find a driver for the BCM card ...and yes it should be connected , then the driver will auto activate since it's an ethernet card [15:01] <_BS_> BluesKaj - right now, I just want to see both nics showing up as interfaces. [15:01] <_BS_> OK, how to 'find a driver'? [15:04] _BS_, I'm not sure , but "bridge-utils" might fit your needs [15:04] _BS_, I think the driver is already in the kernel , no need to search [15:11] <_BS_> BluesKaj - ok, I can see how that will ultimately be useful, but it can't work with nics not apparently present. Let me reboot and see if the nic comes up now (it shouldn't), but I may not have tried since LiveCD testing. Have installed and updated since. [15:20] <_BS_> Nope. No nic. Sees the 3com (no address as cable on other nic). Suggestions / 'find a driver'? [15:21] _BS_, sudo lshw -C network , pastebin the output , so we can check the hardware [15:33] <_BS_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/661198/ [15:35] i have updated from Kubuntu PPA [15:36] and now my network manager plasmoid is not working [15:36] the connection itself is OK, but the plasmoid says it's unavailable === claire_ is now known as Canardaw [15:43] there seem to be plasma panel problems , tonymc , but I guess we have to live with them ...mty clock display the 12 hr format even tho it's dialog shows the AMPM format correctly [15:44] at least they fixed the grid desktop issue [15:44] i can haz my grid desktop back [15:49] <_BS_> BluesKaj - being called, must step afk, bbl. [16:27] hi, before I resote to google desktop how do access the indexed search data, it has finished indexing... now I need to access the interface and search for something.. [16:57] Hello. Earlier today, I've updated some kde components that prompted by KPK. Now, the applet for Network is displaying wrongly, it shows the icon for a wired connection (I'm connect through wi-fi) and I can't enable wi-fi when I click on it. When I pass the mouse over it, it says "wi-fi disable by hardware". Help, please? [16:58] george_: have you wired the computer, and attempted to reinstall the wireless driver? [17:01] Linkmaster:Not at all, I"ve just powered off after the upgrade. Now, I've powered on and it's like that. [17:03] Try that, and see what happens. I had something similar happen[in my case, my computer wouldn't connect]. If reinstalling the driver doesn't work, then we can work from there - is your wireless card proprietary, or did it 'just work'? [17:04] Linkmaster: Proprietary (additional driver). How do I reinstall it? And if I reinstall it, is there a chance that I lost the ability to coneect? [17:06] george_: Connect your computer through an ethernet connection, then go to the kmenu, go to 'applications' go to 'system' then click on 'additional drivers'. If it says a wireless driver is active, deactivate it, then reactivate it. And to answer your question, reinstalling it will simply fix it [17:07] Linkmaster:I have no ethernet connection... [17:07] george_: how did you get your wireless to work the first time? [17:07] I HAD a ethernet connection... [17:08] Linkmaster:I HAD a ethernet connection [17:08] Oh. Whats your wireless card? [17:09] Linkmaster:It says Broadcom STA [17:09] go to a terminal, and type in 'lspci' and find the section that says what your wireless card is, and tell me what it is [17:11] Linkmaster: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01) [17:12] I hate broadcom wireless cards[I have one myself] [17:12] Now, lets see how to fix it.. [17:15] Linkmaster: Ok... [17:17] george_: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php [17:17] That is the source code for the driver, if you disable the driver from jockey, then install that, it _should_ work [17:20] Linkmaster: Oh, thank you... but it's a binary (tar.gz). I wonder if all dependencies are ok... [17:21] Evening, does some here have experience with creating KDM Themes? [17:22] erinaceus, check out www.kde-look.org [17:22] george_: they should be, and if they aren't, they'll mention so in the compiling process. Make sure to read the README.txt file, to understand exactly how it works [17:23] Linkmaster: Ok, thank you [17:24] BluesKaj: I know that u can get themes there however i'm currently trying to write my own. [17:25] not many here write their own ...you'll be waiting for longtime if you expect help with that , but one never knows , someone might have some knowledge [17:26] george_, so the regular bcm on ubuntu tutorials don't work ? [17:26] Damn thanks anyway [17:27] BluesKaj: What? [17:27] !bcm [17:27] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [17:27] george_, ^ [17:32] Cos'è sta cosa aiutatemi! >.< [17:32] !it | alex_____ [17:32] alex_____: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [17:39] BluesKaj::) [17:41] george_, ? [17:47] I used to get the contact fotos displayed in the email header in kde 3 - can I activate that in KDE4 too? (kmail 1.13.6 ) [18:10] Hello to all! Can anybody confirm WLAN not working anymore after todays round of updates? [18:11] jmcombatt: Hello! All isn't here can we take a message? [18:11] jmcombatt: seriously though I can't confirm that [18:12] Briareos1: What do you mean? [18:12] could someone help me with my problem, I've posted it on kubuntu forum http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117874.0 [18:14] http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3117874.0 [18:14] sorush20: did you look at the config for the calendar? [18:15] Daskreech: config in kontact? [18:16] :) oh well, the risks of running with the "kubuntu proposed" ppa [18:17] Daskreech: well the config in calendar doesn't show anything relevant... what should I be looking for? [18:17] sorush20: I meant the config files in ~/.kde [18:17] jmcombatt: :-) Indeed [18:21] Daskreech: ;) at least my wired conexion is still working...half cup full [18:21] Daskreech: what should I be looking for exactly? stdrc? [18:22] jmcombatt: Did you update your kernel? [18:22] sorush20: korganizer I would expect [18:23] hello [18:24] Daskreech: Nop, just kde and other things like libsolidcontrol4abi2 and libprocessui4a [18:24] Daskreech: the korganizer config file for the calendar is ics and it is giving me this error Unable to create calendar '/media/060A8B433F2B0A36/sorush4/663681941.ics' [18:24] jmcombatt: Using NM ? [18:24] when I try to import it [18:24] sorush20: maybe mount that drive? [18:24] or filesystem [18:25] Daskreech: its already mounted.. [18:25] Daskreech: yes, all from 4.7.0-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa5 [18:25] sorush20: and the file exists? [18:25] Daskreech: yes [18:26] jmcombatt: I updated the other day and kdenetwork had an issue with NM being too old. It might not be in that ppa [18:26] sorush20: what happens if you open the file directly? [18:26] Daskreech: ownership is root.. shoudl I chenge it to my user name? but the permission is 777 [18:27] sorush20: permissions should be ok [18:27] Daskreech: it dosn't get addedd to the calendar list.. and its empty.. [18:28] Daskreech: thanks for the tip, will search if a newer version is available [18:28] sorush20: how big is the file? If you open it in Kate does it have contents? [18:29] Daskreech: could be the worg file.. I found it as recent files in the korganiser config file.. it only has birthdays not the to dos === fishwithapipe is now known as f|shy [18:32] anyone here use ppa? [18:33] Daskreech: there is another file in the kde share apps korganiser.. and that is the one that has my to dos in it when I look up the file in kate.. but when I click on it I can't open it in korganiser [18:33] vertago1: yes [18:33] vertago1: Thats a fairly vague question. Are you asking if people here have their own ppa, or if they are using the kubuntu ppa, or ppa's in general? [18:33] sorush20: You get an error? [18:33] genii-around: regardless I think the answer is yes :) [18:33] kubuntu ppa [18:33] Daskreech: Heh [18:34] I just did an update and it broke plasma-widget-networkmanager [18:34] atleast for my hardware [18:34] Daskreech: yes Unable to create calendar '/home/sorush2/.kde/share/apps/korganizer/std.ics'. [18:35] vertago1: We are now 2. Daskreech's tip was "I updated the other day and kdenetwork had an issue with NM being too old. It might not be in that ppa" [18:35] vertago1: KDE would actually be a nice DE, if it were not always SO laden with bugs [18:35] sorush20: haven't played with calendars in a while. Perhaps check in #kontact [18:35] vertago1: I am currently looking [18:36] speaking of calendars, what in the world did they do with the calendar that you see whan you click on the clock in the panel? they have completely trashed it [18:38] vertago1: for me, while the network manager widget in the system tray appears to be broken, i have working wireless anyways [18:39] I uninstalled the kde widget and am using nm-applet to get on right now [18:40] jmichaelx: what about it? [18:40] i was hoping that today's upgrade would fix the problem i (and a number of others) have been having with task manager icons not going away when they should.... it didn't [18:40] Daskreech: what about what? [18:41] thecalendar [18:41] Daskreech: ahh [18:41] well I could try adding ppa:network-manager/ppa [18:42] Daskreech: the calendar is now smaller, more and half or more of the pop-up window that contains it is unnecessarily consumed by some sort of information dialoge [18:42] more than* [18:43] jmichaelx: Hm? Screenshot? [18:43] brb testing new pages [18:43] *packages [18:43] Daskreech: i can maybe get you a screenshot, but not immediately... i just wish they had left this calendar alone [18:44] jmichaelx: ok. I dont' know I'm seeing the same thing that you are [18:44] i also wish i'd had the wisdom to stay away from 4.7. [18:44] jmichaelx: Go ultra conservative and upgrade to 4.8 when 4.9 comes out [18:45] it seems the KDE devs are all about glitz, while allowing significant bugs to live on and on, iteration after iteration [18:45] Daskreech: i am tempted to operate just as you described [18:45] jmichaelx: That would be perfectly fine :) [18:47] things have come a LONG way since the kde 4.0 fiasco (which nearly obliterated KDE's user base), but the devs still have not much more that a loose grasp of what differentiates alpha/beta/stable software [18:47] than* [18:48] i love KDE, but the quality control is poor [18:49] jmichaelx: It actually grew KDE's user base but ok :) [18:49] jmichaelx: You could help out with the bugsquad [18:50] Daskreech: i am sorry, but kde4.0 did not grow the user base... good grief [18:50] ok so what is crazy is when I remove the plasma widget my eternet starts working [18:51] vertago1: probably not using NM then? [18:51] Daskreech: i can believe that by 4.3 or so, the user base was gaining again, but large numbers of people had no choice but to leave KDE after the 4.0 release (even if it was just for a time) [18:51] I suppose [18:52] Daskreech: yes, i should look into the bugsquad [18:52] Hello [18:52] Daskreech: I can see the NetworkManger process and when I removed the plasma widget I saw dhclient get called [18:52] jmichaelx: #kde-bugs [18:52] Daskreech: ty [18:53] vertago1: That's what I meant. KDE would then use base linux networking [18:55] i`ve installed Kubuntu over wubi [18:56] vertago1: For me ethernet is working, only wireless is not worling after the update, with plasma widget showing a "Error: Invalid state" string [18:57] I haven't used network manager since 9.04 ... I was shown the the light and the advantages of using /etc/network/interfaces and other networking tricks , and never looked back [18:58] BluesKaj: wise man [18:58] jmichaelx, well, it's easy with ethernet ...wifi is a different story [18:59] jmcombatt: my plasma widget also says "error: invalid state", but the wireless is actually working [18:59] * BluesKaj wonders what will happen once my laptop is returned , and has kubuntu installed [19:00] BluesKaj: yes, for me /etc/network/interfaces is fine even for wireless for machines i just use on my home network. it is a different story for a mobile device that has to connect to a variety of wireless networks [19:00] BluesKaj: where did you buy it? [19:01] jmcombatt, there are some plasma widget problems that strictly graphical in nature and don't seem to affect the hardware settings [19:04] jmichaelx, my laptop is currently being used by my daughter in another city til she gets settled in her new place [19:04] BluesKaj: ahh, ok [19:05] probly another month or so til I get to try the wifi withj kubuntu [19:05] Repost to follow - any help appreciated! [19:05] Hello Kubuntu friends! I'm having an issue that I'm hoping you all can help out with: Running Kubuntu 10.10 with latest available kernel and updates. It seems that I have lost sound on my PC. In the terminal, alsamixer shows all is well and all volumes are up - appears to be a KDE issue as I no longer have a volume indicator at boot. It does show up eventually, but when it does clicking it does nothing. Ideas? [19:06] are you using wpa_supplicant for your wifi , jmichaelx [19:06] BluesKaj: Well, hardware is ok, it was working before the update and is still blinking and would most likely work using /etc/network/interfaces. However, the plasma widget is just nice ;) [19:07] BluesKaj: on this machine, i had just been using kde's network manager widget... and now, even though the widget seems to be broken, my wireless is still working [19:07] jmichaelx, thank goodness for small mercies :) [19:08] jmcombatt: the plasma widget is actually necessary for most wireless users. some KDE devs need to be smacked for releasing crap like this without testing it well [19:09] i simply cannot believe that in the FOSS world, there cannot be some kind of new model for quality control followed [19:10] some projects seem to still be somewhat unaware of how serious it is to break wireless for that project's users [19:11] jmichaelx: Well, its my fault really. Running on proposed ppa is a bumpy ride, but I'm happy to help a little ;) [19:12] jmcombatt: my network plasma widget broke, and i am not using a proposed ppa [19:12] jmichaelx, I get the feeling that this unity and gnome3 problem is drawing resources and devs from working on fixing what are considered small potatoes like plasma widgets [19:13] BluesKaj: is this plasma widget an ubuntu project? it appears to be the same widget i am using in fedora [19:13] BluesKaj: my impression is that this widget is done by KDE, and implemented by kubuntu [19:14] jmichaelx, dunno for sure , but suddenly I see alot of little problems that weren't ocurring before ,,,coincidence ? [19:15] what can be the problem, when i boot login and then nothing happens. i just see the login background - Xorg.0.log has no errors [19:16] BluesKaj: maybe coincidence, maybe not... all i know is that with KDE, external problems like Unity/Gnome3/etc are not needed for a bunch of buggy crap to be released. they do that fine on their own... regularly [19:16] MannyNz: did you just upgrade to 4.7? [19:17] BluesKaj: more likely the underlying structure is done by people employed to work on GNOME and Core libs and the changes they make are only tested on latest GNOME builds and not really announced before hand to the rest of the world [19:17] i upgraded yesterday to 11.04 then the window managers gut messed up and today i desinstalled everything like gnome lxde,except kde [19:17] Kernel stuff is normally talked about for ages before it's put in as default. userspace is a lot more lax [19:18] then i did a nvidia-xconfig and rebooted [19:18] MannyNz: you might want to make sure you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed [19:18] MannyNz: what nvidia video adapter are you using? [19:18] aptitude says so, it is [19:19] MannyNz: ok [19:19] nvidia current is installed [19:19] MannyNz: what specific video adapter are you using? [19:19] Daskreech, you're not implying that kde devs are given time to work as an afterthought [19:21] BluesKaj: Daskreech: i can easily believe that kubuntu devs are at a disadvantage... but come on, why can't things like this network manager widget be tested before being sent into the wold? [19:21] wild* [19:21] nvidia-173-modaliases is installed ... [19:21] or do i get your question wrong, then tell me where i can look up which adapter is used :) [19:21] BluesKaj: that is a possible problem. Telepathy and a10n work pretty closely [19:22] MannyNz: what is the output if you enter 'lscpi | grep -i vga'? [19:22] A lot of the other projects things are discovered when they are in the repo which already has a update in gtk libraries or so on [19:23] nvidia Corporation G92 [ Geforce GTS 250] reva2 [19:26] i wonder if it would make a difference whether or not nvidia-xconfig were run as root [19:26] MannyNz: can you try 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'? [19:26] it was, otherwise it didnt had permition to write ( it said so ) [19:26] ok, makes sense [19:27] MannyNz: are you able to log into the other desktop environments? [19:28] i just have kde installed, since i had a meshup of gnome, kde and lxde, what i wanted to avoid [19:28] MannyNz, kmenu apps settings , check to see if nivdia settings shows the driver settings [19:28] how can i do that from the konsole? [19:31] MannyNz, sorry didn't read your post properly [19:31] no problem [19:32] its weird, because it gets to the point after login, but doesnt load/show the environment, just displays the login background [19:32] MannyNz: what is the output you get for 'aptitude show nvidia-current | grep Version' [19:33] Version: 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 [19:35] MannyNz: i *think* that could be your problem [19:36] the wrong version? [19:36] i am still checking on that [19:36] okay thanks alot sticking with me... never thought that upgrading to 11.04 causes me that much trouble :/ [19:37] Daskreech: I tracked the packages down to kubuntu backports, how hard it is it to revert all the packages you get from a particular repo? [19:37] MannyNz: unfortunately, it does appear you have the correct version [19:37] vertago1: Umm i'd just disable the repo remove them then reinstall kubuntu-desktop or the packages themselves [19:38] oh damnit that not so good then [19:40] MannyNz: i will be leaving soon... could you pastebin the contents of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [19:40] yeah hold on a sec [19:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/661363/ [19:42] ok, i am not seeing a "Module" section, telling it to load glx [19:42] can anyone else tell us whether or not that is significant? [19:43] i just used the backup from before the distri-upgrade with the result of a black screen and a curser in from of a X ... so the old one doesnt work either [19:43] MannyNz, glxinfo 3d in the terminal [19:44] or tty [19:44] unable to open display [19:44] I found out a way to do it witout removing the packages: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432636 [19:46] MannyNz: my xorg.conf looks very abbreviated when compared to yours: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661369/ [19:47] i used the failsafe xorg.conf resulting in an error: "Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) [19:48] MannyNz: you might try backing up your xorg.conf, and trying it with mine [19:48] yeah hold on [19:48] MannyNz: how did you do your upgarde to 11.04? [19:48] upgrade* [19:51] * BluesKaj thinks the default nouveau bug is at work here [19:51] weill your xorg.conf doesnt work either. same thing as with my old one .. black scree. [19:51] BluesKaj: what is the story with that bug? [19:52] i used that systemupdater thing (grafical interface) [19:52] doesn't matter about xorg.conf , it's being ignored by the look of nvidia not found [19:52] update manager its called [19:53] BluesKaj: is there a workaround? [19:54] jmichaelx, sometimes the nomodeset after quiet splash in /etc/default/grub will work [19:55] "quietspalsh nomodeset" then save and update grub [19:56] oops "quiet splash nomodeset" [19:56] do you mean the entry: GRUB_CMDLINE_LNUX_DEFAULT="quet splash" [19:56] yes MannyNz , that's it [19:56] MannyNz: yes, but you should check the spelling [19:56] okay am rebooting right now [19:57] MannyNz, and make sure you sudo update-grub [19:58] oki getting to the interesting part [19:59] nothing changed [20:00] after logging in it stays at the background picture of the login [20:00] sudo update-grub ? [20:00] did that [20:01] it ran through and listed some header versions then finished and i rebooted [20:01] glxinfo still says: unable to open display [20:02] MannyNz, ok back to the tty , sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current [20:03] well it doesnt list the nvidia-current, saying its an illegal command [20:03] MannyNz, then nvidia-xconfig [20:04] sry my mistake [20:04] missed the install before the --reinsall [20:05] yes the config file has to be removed and reconfigured [20:06]