Machtinnight guys!00:08
Ian_Cornehrmf, bootchart doesn't create a /var/log/bootchart dir for me...01:20
Ian_CorneIt's because I'm running an ssd with optimized fstab01:21
Ian_Cornesilly bootchart thingies01:27
dr_willisboot them in the charts!01:28
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jhouse5266534update-manager is giving me download errors.  Has anyone seen this or better yet, know how to fix it?02:48
jhouse5266534example: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/update-manager/update-manager-core_0.152.9_i386.deb 404  Not Found [IP: 80]02:50
micahgjhouse5266534: 1:0.152.10 is the latest version, your cache is out of date02:53
jhouse5266534michahg, how do I update the cache?02:53
micahgjhouse5266534: check for new pacakges?02:54
jhouse5266534micahg, what command should I run?02:56
micahgjhouse5266534: just click check in update-manager02:57
bullgard4_I just installed the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this?04:52
bullgard4_After Alt+F2 I run 'sudo apt-get install tilda'. GNOME 3 does quit this command without an excuse. Repeating, the History shows an exclamation mark next to this command. What does that mean?06:06
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wrongturnanyone have any problems with 11.10? i just now downloading and fixing to try08:27
bullgard4_wrongturn: Yes. Me. I just installed the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this?08:32
wrongturnidk sorry i'm trying this for first time08:33
wrongturnyour using gnome 3 in this right?08:33
bullgard4_Yes sir.08:33
bullgard4_I'd like to, that is.08:34
wrongturnwell im logout and load see what happens lol08:34
bullgard4_Oneiric > Ubuntu How can I access the Startup dialog window?09:23
zniavregoood afternoon11:14
zniavredoes dnd to launcher is working right now please ?11:15
dr_willisHmm. Just copied terminator.desktop to my desktop so i have a launcher. it was not made executable.. tried to run it. it ran "Untrusted application launcher'  saying..11:43
dr_willisThe application launcher "terminator.desktop" has not been marked as trusted. If you do not know the source of this file, launching it may be unsafe.11:43
dr_willis Since when did the term 'executable' become the same as 'marked as trusted'   :)  Sort of  changing the definitions of terms here isent it?11:44
dr_willisshouldent the dialog at least give a user a clue as what to do..    So launching it may be unsafe.. well.. what if i want to launch it anyway.. no info on that in the dialog.11:45
dr_willisDone ranting now.. :)11:45
M0hidr_willis: is there any new features to be added to the untrusted application launcher?11:46
dr_willisM0hi,  not that ive seen.. then again.. its only feature was basically to nag and annoy people it seemed. :)11:46
dr_willisdid it have any features besides that?11:47
M0hilol :P11:47
M0hibut is used to give a warning though =]11:47
dr_willisdont get me on the missleading stuff it does with wine apps....11:47
dr_willisI wonder if its differnt in Unity vs gnome-shell also.. using gnomeshell right now.11:47
dr_willisI just put that terminator.desktop icon on the desktop as a fallback. :) and noticed it dident get made executable by default and gave that untrusted info.11:48
dr_willisIts little things like this that can use the polishing that ubuntu really needs to focus on soon.11:48
M0hidr_willis: when we are getting unstable packages from Debian, we will be having some devs of the packages here too? like working both on debian and *buntu?11:49
M0hierr too right?*11:50
dr_willisM0hi,  ive not really seen any of the developers in here.  not really seen any in #ubuntu either. They may hang in other channels11:50
M0hiBut if they remain here and see whats going on that package, they can help easily right?11:51
dr_willisI imagine they stick to the bug reporting sites and so forth.11:52
dr_willisThey need to be coding!  :)11:52
dr_willisI imagine i dont understand 1/10th the work the developers actually do.11:53
dr_willisthats why i hang in here and on #ubuntu helping the beginners and so forth.  just adding help in what ever way i can.11:53
M0hicool :)11:54
* M0hi also belongs to help and support grouped peeps =]11:55
M0hiHave to install alpha 3. Too late :[11:55
dr_willisBeen helping out on askubuntu.com also.  The site has some neat features and ideas, but lacking in some other ways.11:57
M0hiI do love sites who work for the prmotion of Ubuntu and not the people who has the main aim of earning money by posting some ads of proprietary OS12:01
bullgard4_I installed Oneiric and the package »ubuntu-desktop«. I obtain "Failed to load session "gnome". Log Out" How can I fix this? Is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750430 applicable to Oneiric?12:01
M0hiGNOME rollbacks are same in case you tried upgrading the version to 3.0.1. #5 might help I think12:04
dr_willisbullgard4,  there was a bug about it. but it got fixed for me a day or so ago.12:06
dr_willisbullgard4,  you have done a 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' recently?12:07
dr_willisbullgard4,  in my case it was because my 3d drivers were not working properly.12:07
bullgard4_dr_willis: I did 'sudo apt-get update'and  'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' this morning.12:08
dr_williswhats your video chipset?12:09
bullgard4_M0hi: Please tell me what a "GNOME rollback" is.12:09
bullgard4_dr_willis: Intel GM96512:11
dr_willisYou could try starting gnomeshell by hand and see what error messages happen bullgard4. you are not using nvidia. so you cant be having the same issue i was having.12:15
bullgard4_dr_willis: How to start GNOME shell by hand?12:17
M0hibullgard4_: do the step #5 in the link you mentioned. That will help I believe. Sorry for the late response12:18
dr_willisi think its gnome-shell --replace12:18
dr_willisor make a custom .xinitrc and stop gdm, and use 'startx' and look for error messges12:18
bullgard4_M0hi: I followed the suggestions of #5. The error message remains the same.12:27
bullgard4_dr_willis: Now it works! Thank you! --  I had to install a missing package.12:38
bullgard4_I just installed GNOME 3 and am running it for the first time ever. How can I install the tilda program and run it?12:42
dr_willisuse the pacakge manager . and install it... then run it.. :)12:44
bullgard4_dr_willis: Is "the package manager" Synaptic? How can I invoke Synaptic in GNOME 3?12:46
dr_willisbullgard4,  let me say this in the nicest way.. .. its sort of scary you are using the Alpha 3 release and dont know the  basics of  the ubuntu package manager system or command line...12:52
dr_willispackage manager = any of the tools to the apt system you like. :)12:53
dr_willissynaptic is not installed by default I belive any more. but its what i install and use most of the time..12:53
bullgard4_dr_willis: No. You misunderstood. I did not know how to access them. The layout is different in GNOME 3.12:54
dr_willisA+  You gain Ubuntu Skill Points today!12:54
dr_willisalt-f2 is still there. :)  but thats old-skool12:55
dr_willisfirst thing i did was drag a terminal icon to the side panel in GNomeshell12:55
dr_willisI did see some indicator-applets that added a classic gnome menu to Unity in 11.04 - i imagine it may work in 11.10 also. that  would be handy...12:56
dr_willisbe nice in gnome shell if i could just hover over a window after moving to the top left,  then back to the window.. so i dont need to click.. :)12:57
dr_willisbut thats lazy i guess.. but hay.. i dident need to click to get to the   layout of all the windows. :)12:58
dr_willisI do seem to perfer gomeshell to unity.. it just makes more sence to me..13:00
yofeldoes someone have an idea why apt takes so long to read the package lists in oneiric? It seems to have to regenerate the package cache on everything it does here. So a simple apt-cache policy bash takes several seconds13:16
ior3k$ time apt-cache policy bash13:19
ior3k1.025 secs13:19
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yofelreal    0m3.436s13:26
yofelI do have quite a few sources enabled, but on the same apt setup the command takes "real    0m0.051s" in natty13:26
yofelso oneiric takes about 67x as much time as natty13:27
bullgard4_In Lucid GNOME 2 I could click System > Administration > Keyboard > Keyboard Preferences > Layouts. What is the equivalent in GNOME 3?13:39
zniavreior3k,  what this commandline is suposed to demonstrate please ?13:40
coz_bullgard4,  isnt it under system settings  ,, upper right  of the screen?13:40
ior3kzniavre: time is used to calculate the time it takes for a command to run13:40
zniavreit can be considered as a test performance for computer ?13:41
zniavre(sorry for my bad english)13:41
ior3kzniavre: well, it's a pretty crude way to do it, but I guess it can be used for that, yeah13:43
zniavreok thank you  verry interresting13:44
ior3kmy pleasure13:44
zniavrebtw > i can't drag and drop icons from dash to launcher that is known  ?13:45
bullgard4_coz_: I found it there. --  Thank you for your help.13:48
coz_bullgard4,  cool13:48
BluesKajHiyas all13:51
yofelmvo: do you know if apt uses compressed indexes again in oneiric or if I need to look for a different cause of apt-cache's slowness?13:54
mvoyofel: maybe that enabling of multiarch for amd64? that doubles the amount of packages it look at by default13:56
yofelmvo: that would mean a factor 2 slowdown, 'apt-cache policy bash' has a factor ~67 slowdown here from natty to oneiric (using time ... as measurement)13:57
mvohm, that does not sound right, what is the test case you use?13:58
mvooh, nevermind13:58
mvoyofel: what timming data d you see? what does time apt-cache policy bash -o Debug::pkgcachegen=true13:59
mvo how?13:59
yofelmvo: with debug: natty "real    0m0.202s" and says "pkgcache.bin is valid - no need to build anything"14:02
yofelon oneiric I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/661143/14:03
mvoyofel: ok, there we go, thanks! so it appears to be a bug in the code that checks for sources.list vs cache freshness14:05
yofelI'll try to remove the files and let apt-get re-create them, but with the wifi here at desktop summit this will take a while...14:06
mvoyofel: I can reproduce it here on one machine, I have a look now, I suspect its something silly14:08
yofelthanks! :)14:08
bullgard4_[GNOME 3] How can I change the format displayed for date&time in the upper middle of the screen from "Mon 16:07" to "Mon Aug 8, 16:07"? -- System Settings > Date and Time does not seem to allow such an adjustment.14:09
mvoyofel: and so it is, a < where a > needs to be, I commit a fix, thanks for letting me know about it14:13
coz_bullgard4,  not sure  maybe gnome-tweak-tool ?14:18
coz_i will have to reinstall gnome3  to test14:18
coz_bullgard4,  did you try clicking the clock for settings?14:19
bullgard4_coz_: Right-clicking on the clock applet opens a window. This includes a button »Date and Time Settings«.Clicking on it will open a window »Date and Time«. This does not let me adjust the display format of date&time.14:25
coz_bullgard4,   ok   I am going by last month's memory of gnome3,,, sorry14:25
escottbullgard4_, if this is gnome3 install gnome-tweak-tool gives you a couple more options14:26
coz_bullgard4,   try  gnome-tweak-tool... or maybe dconf-editor,, not sure about the latter one on gnome3 thought14:26
dr_willisMy clock says 'Mon Aug 8, 10:35'14:35
dr_willisMust have been a gnome-tweak-tool setting  i used14:36
bullgard4_coz_, escott Tweak Tool > Shell > Show date in clock did the trick. --  Thank you.14:43
bullgard4_dr_willis: Thank you.14:45
dr_willisone of the few features of that tool that work :)14:45
dr_willisbut its a work in progress...14:45
jbichadr_willis: what part of gnome-tweak-tool doesn't work?14:46
dr_willis'Shell extensions" is totally blank here. and i did install some by hand.14:48
dsathedr_willis: you have not installed necessay depnds14:48
dsathegnome-shell exts common14:48
dr_willisand the package name is what exactly? i couldent find it the other day when i was looking14:48
dsatheneeded for other hand made one to run too14:48
dsatheone sec14:48
dr_willisWindows->current Theme ->   dosent seem to change here either..14:49
dsathei recomend adding ricotz ppa for the shell14:50
dr_willisill look again. but it wasent there/installable the other day.14:50
dr_willisI dident really feel like risking using a PPA on  an Aplha :)14:50
dsatheyeah my bad14:50
dsatheits from ricotz ppa14:50
dsatheits as stable as the rest of oneric :P14:50
dr_willisHmm I adjusted the fonts size. and now xchat is all messing up14:50
dsatheuse dconf -editor14:51
dr_willis apt-cache search gnome-shell14:51
dr_willisgnome-shell - graphical shell for the GNOME desktop14:51
dr_willislibmutter0 - window manager library from the Mutter window manager14:51
dr_willisso it seems its not in the repos yet.14:52
bullgard4_[GNOME 3] Are there things like "workspaces"? How can I move  the Synaptic window to workspace 2?14:53
dr_willisjust drag it over to the left side...14:53
dr_willismouse to upper left... click on synaptic.. drag it to right side.14:53
dr_willisit auto adds new workspaces as needed14:53
dr_willisi wonder if theres some 'gnome-shell' in use  videos on Youtube..14:55
jbichathat's not a bug in gnome-tweak-tool, it's because gnome-shell-extensions hasn't made it into the Debian/Ubuntu repositories14:58
ubottuDebian bug 627515 in wnpp "RFP: gnome-shell-extensions -- Extensions to extend" [Wishlist,Open]14:58
escottis synaptic completely messed up for others. the quick search no longer returns results15:00
dr_willisescott,  i had a similer bug a few weeks back in 11.04 ... not seen it in 11.10 yet.15:00
jbichaone of the Debian GNOME maintainers really doesn't like that if an extension is installed, it is activated for everyone on the computer15:00
mvoescott: do you still have apt-xapian-index installed? does it help if you run "sudo update-apt-xapian-index" ?15:01
dr_willisescott,  it seems to be working here.15:01
escottits driving me nuts. what package should i remove to remove the unity session15:02
dr_willisescott,  what are you going to use instead?15:02
escottmvo, yes the apt-xapian-index is installed15:02
escottdr_willis, gnome-shell. i'd be happy with switching the default to gnome-shell on the gdm screen, but it keeps going back to unity15:02
dr_willisescott,  odd.. its staying at gnome-shell here.. perhaps your .dmrc somehow got owned by root instead f the user15:03
dr_willis.dmrc file -> [Desktop]15:03
dr_willisgdm? You mean Lightdm? or are you actually using gdm?15:04
escottdr_willis, Session is gnome in dmrc. ill change it to gnome-shell and see if that makes it work. i am using gdm, i don't get the point of lightdm15:05
escottdr_willis, stuff like unity/lightdm is making me strongly consider fedora15:06
BluesKajescott, that won't get you anywhwere gnome is gnome no matter which distro15:07
dr_willisdont see how the DM matters much...15:07
dr_willisfedora gnomeshell looked itendical to  whats on 11.10 when i tested the fedora live cd the other day. :)15:08
escottdr_willis, by why? what was wrong with gdm that we so desperately needed lightdm? i haven't seen a convincing case for that. there seems to be a big not-invented-here attitude. anyways i'm getting !ot15:09
bjsniderwhat they'd said was gdm contained a lot of extra complexity that was unneeded15:10
bjsniderdid canonical invent lightdm?15:10
dr_williswith that logic why change from  anything to anything else. :)15:11
dr_willis!info slim15:11
ubottuslim (source: slim): desktop-independent graphical login manager for X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.1-8ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 755 kB, installed size 1424 kB15:11
dr_willis!info lightdm15:11
ubottulightdm (source: lightdm): Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.2-0ubuntu4 (oneiric), package size 70 kB, installed size 320 kB15:11
dr_willisGolly. that is a big diff. :)15:11
dr_willis!info xdm15:12
ubottuxdm (source: xdm): X display manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.1.10-3ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 150 kB, installed size 880 kB15:12
bjsnidercanonical was encouraging gnome to also switch to lightdm although i don't know what gnome's response to that is15:14
tensorpuddinglightdm is a freedesktop.org thing iirc15:16
bjsnidergnome has at least as much of an "it-wasn't-invented-here" culture as canonical15:17
dr_willisif not more so.. :)15:19
dr_willisI still rember the big gnome and ximian gnome  fun time ages ago...15:19
dr_willisI do recall that GDM2 also trimming out features that were in GDM.. so its a trend.15:20
jbichagnome definitely won't switch to lightdm, it would be a regression from their design perspective and it's not been tested yet15:29
BluesKajKDE here ,  the igital clock shows 12 hr time AMPM on the KDE Control Module , but shows 24 hr time format in the panel ...any method to fix this ?15:33
PiciBluesKaj: I'm pretty sure that you can change the widget's preferences and set whatever format you want in there.15:34
escottBluesKaj, gnome and kde use different settings systems. you need to go into the settings system for the other desktop environment and change it there15:34
BluesKajPici, I did that , but the plasma/panel clock doesn't change , and escott I already set it up in system settings , no change in the panel after that setting either15:37
BluesKajthe panel options dialog aka the kde control panel shows the correct format , but it just doesn't display it15:39
dr_willisI recall once that some apps had to be restarted after you changed the system time/format..15:42
dr_williswhich ment you had to log out/back in basically15:42
dr_willisnever have understood why they couldent just put a checkbox in the clock menus to do 12/24....15:42
dr_willisThen again i never could understand why a disrto that targets beginners and 'common people'  would not be defaulting to the 12/am/pm format anyway. :)15:43
BluesKajdr_willis, well, at least in the Noth American time zones15:44
dr_willisSo people in  China use 24hr clocks normally?15:44
BluesKajyes and europe15:45
dr_williscant say ive ever noticed it...15:45
dr_willisbut then again.. i dont travel there. :)15:45
dr_willis24hr clocks and the metric system! no wonder its all chaotic over there. :)15:45
BluesKajexcpt for uk , I think ..but I can stand corrected on the IK time15:46
dr_willisI suppose next they will want a standard currancy :)15:46
BluesKajmetric hasn't got anything to do with that dr_willis ...we use the metric system here in Canada , but we still prefer AMPM15:47
dr_willisWe need a metric clock. :) 100 sec per min.. 100 min per hr...15:51
dr_willisactually i think there is such a thing.  :)15:51
Ian_Cornei'd love that dr_willis15:53
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genii-aroundMy principal once played an April Fools joke like that, on announcements told the teachers to come collect their new metric clock from the office. Surprising how many showed up.15:53
Ian_Corneand it would be hectoseconds instead of minutes15:53
dr_willisThen.. the Metric Alphabet!15:54
dr_willishttp://snltranscripts.jt.org/75/75rdecabet.phtml          Metric Alphabet :)15:55
* dr_willis goes back to sleep now.15:56
bullgard4_[GNOME 3] Where is the Shut Down (software) button to be found?16:23
escottbullgard4_, logout and then shutdown from the display manager16:23
escottbullgard4_, there is an extension but 11.10 doesn't have the extensions packaged yet16:24
bullgard4_escott: Hm. Why so complicated?16:24
escottbullgard4_, they "want" you to suspend and not shutdown. its supposed to be less confusing or something. silly considering most peoples suspend functionality is broken16:30
urlin2uI noticed the no shutdown when I installed yesterday, oh and no gnome316:31
bullgard4_escott: Ah! Understood. --  Thank you for explaining.16:31
jbichabullgard4_: just hold down the alt key while the usermenu is open and the suspend key magically transforms!16:31
urlin2ujbicha, ah like fedora16:32
Ian_Cornewth :p16:32
urlin2uit is a gnonm3 thang16:32
dr_willisbut is suspend... a suspend to disk.. or to ram....16:34
bullgard4_jbicha: That reminds me somewhat to WindowsXP. --  I'll test that later.16:35
escottdr_willis, ram16:36
escotthibernate would be to disk16:36
dr_willisstill wondering where that got defined at.. :)   i recall it used to be 'suspend to ram' and 'suspend to disk'  but then.. whats sleep .. :) to ram i guess...16:37
dr_willisits soo confuseing... Ill just unplug it from the wall!16:37
dr_willissleep -> hibernate -> fossalize...16:38
escottdr_willis, there are actually other power states between on and sleep, that are seldom used (but probably will be used more in the future)16:38
dr_willisseen asked befor.. 'can i access my windows shares while my pc is sleeping.....'    :)16:39
dr_willisguess theres a 'napping' mode...16:39
dr_willisI rarely have the sleep/suspend stuff work right in windows.. theres always some game/service/icon/tool/somthing that gets confused.16:40
* BluesKaj searches for kermodule name for BCM57781 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe16:40
BluesKajkernel module name16:40
wrongturnI guess everyone is really happy with 10.1016:45
BluesKajyou mean 11.10 of course ;016:45
wrongturnoh yeah right16:46
rwwor everyone's 11.10 is broken so they can't IRC16:46
wrongturnim using it but had some download problems with softeware center for xchat16:47
wrongturndefinitely a new look for the OS16:48
BluesKaj!info quassel16:49
ubottuquassel (source: quassel): KDE/Qt-based IRC client. In component main, is optional. Version 0.7.2-0ubuntu4 (oneiric), package size 878 kB, installed size 3264 kB16:49
wrongturnsoftware center closed unexpectedly16:52
ubottuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines16:52
wrongturnis anyone else expericing (spelling?) having problems downloading in the software center16:59
wrongturni mean problems downloading?17:00
wrongturni did a clean install17:01
wrongturnfirst install though took like 1 1/2 hours to install and had to reinstall because it wouldn't accept my root password :(17:04
wrongturnsecond install got it though :)17:06
wrongturni was thinking that during first install i used the encryption to protect root so this time i skipped that17:09
escott!root | wrongturn17:11
ubottuwrongturn: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo17:11
dr_willisbeen using apt-get to install stuff today fine wrongturn17:11
dr_willishavent heard of any other people mentionj issues today17:11
wrongturnhmmm maybe my connection also set up new router seems slow17:14
wrongturnobselete packages on a full fresh install17:20
wrongturnwell apt-get works17:23
wrongturnbummer what's name of all the packages again lol17:23
wrongturnok trying synaptic see if that's ok17:24
wrongturnok synaptic works17:28
BluesKajwas about to upgrade after an update , The following packages have been kept back:apt apt-transport-https apt-utils libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libept1 libgl1-mesa-glx linux-image-generic qapt-deb-installer, I obviously aborted the upgrade ...looks dangerous to me !18:14
dr_willisYou are running an Alpha.. :) what do you expect...18:14
dr_willislets see what mine says18:15
dr_willisUbuntu+1... the testing release....18:15
ubottuUbuntu 11.10 (Oneiric Ocelot) will be the fifteenth release of Ubuntu.  Codename announcement here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/?p=646 Discussion and support in #ubuntu+118:15
dr_williscurrently in Alpha3 state i think.18:16
BluesKajI thought it was beta ...oops :)18:16
dr_willisPlus it said those were held back.. so not upgraded.. :)18:16
dr_willissudo apt-get dist-upgrade to make it upgrade them as well.18:16
dr_willisThe following packages have been kept back:18:16
dr_willis  apt apt-transport-https apt-utils libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers libept1 libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libqapt-runtime libqapt118:16
dr_willis  linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic python-apt qapt-deb-installer transmission-common transmission-gtk18:16
dr_willisgetting similer messageit seems18:17
BluesKajnot running dist-upgrade ... that's what broke my setup the last try18:17
PiciDon't go through with it until you're okay with what its going to remove.18:17
dr_willisi always do dist-upgrade.. otherwise you dont get all the updates.. :)18:18
PiciBluesKaj: You'll need to run a dist-upgrade if you plan on being at all updated while using an alpha.18:18
dr_willisI tend to do a update, upgrade, then dist-upgrade just so i can see whats getting updated at each state easier..18:18
BluesKajyeah, I do the same , but I'm leery18:19
PiciI do a dist-upgrade every time, but I read the changelogs and what is being removed before I tell it to go.18:20
* dr_willis dives in like a Manly man! and dist-upgrades....18:21
magn3tsWhats the deal with "_Install" and the weird mouse cursors in the latest alpha?18:21
dr_willisI dident notife anything getting removed..  but i may of overlooked it.. :)18:21
dr_willislettitng it run.. bbl18:21
BluesKajheh, this dist-upgrade is gonna remove the whole kubuntudesktop and whole lot of other kde stuff and only upgrade a few libs ...some dist-upgrade that is18:23
* BluesKaj aborts dist-upgrade18:24
jbichamagn3ts: bug 81164218:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 811642 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) ""_Install Now" text shown" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81164218:25
magn3tsI see.18:26
dr_willisHmm. I got kubuntu-desktop here.. and did not see it remove  any kde stuff at all.18:35
dr_williswell time to reboots and see if it uses the new kernel18:35
dr_willisHmm... Theres a 'gnome classic' entry now in the Login Screen...18:41
BluesKajthat's the first dist-upgrade this setup has survived in 3 tries ... things are looking up :)18:43
dr_willisheh - i seem to have a gnome-classic-shell  going on.18:43
dr_willisi dist-upgrade every day... never had an issue.18:43
BluesKajI did , mostly with nvidia graphics18:43
dr_willisnvidia issues went away now that im using nomodeset as a default option...18:44
BluesKajok,bbl...postbox check18:44
BluesKajeven nomodeset  didn't work previous to nvidia  280.13 driver18:45
=== Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth
BluesKajnomodeset option works now tho , otherwise I'd still be on irssi :)18:53
BUGabundohow does one get dual monitor to work with nouveau?18:57
BUGabundowith diff screens?18:57
BUGabundoclone works... kinda18:58
escottBUGabundo, xrandr should work with nouveau18:58
BUGabundoone screen is chopped at 1024 while the other goes up to 128018:58
escottBUGabundo, it should be adjustable with the gnome-display-properties tool (the monitors tool)18:58
BUGabundognome-display-properties: command not found18:59
BUGabundoescott: any advice?19:00
BUGabundoor at least what xrandr commands to pass19:01
escottBUGabundo, not sure exactly what the binary is, just go to the normal application search and type in "monitor" and go to monitor settings19:01
BUGabundo$ synaptic19:13
BUGabundoSegmentation fault (core dumped)19:13
BUGabundoclose(7)                                = 019:13
BUGabundostat("/etc/apt/apt.conf", 0x7fff65741b00) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)19:13
BUGabundo--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---19:13
BUGabundo+++ killed by SIGSEGV (core dumped) +++19:13
* BUGabundo files19:13
ubottuUbuntu bug 822876 in apt (Ubuntu) "synaptic seg fault" [Undecided,New]19:17
BUGabundoif anyone can reproduce this19:17
BUGabundoIt would be a good idea letting ppl to halt their upgrades19:17
BUGabundoso, who wants to be a test subject?19:18
dr_willis$ synaptic19:21
dr_willisThe program 'synaptic' is currently not installed.  Y19:21
dr_willisBUGabundo,  it gets even more interesting ...19:22
dr_williswillis@CowBuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install synaptic19:22
dr_willissynaptic : Depends: libapt-inst1.2 but it is not installable19:22
dr_willis            Depends: libapt-pkg4.10 but it is not installable19:22
trismit may have to do with: http://mvogt.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/new-apt-hits-oneiric/ , might want to hold off on the upgrades for a bit19:22
BUGabundomiss depends19:22
BUGabundotrism: to late for me19:22
dr_williswillis@CowBuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install aptitude19:22
dr_willis aptitude : Depends: libapt-pkg4.10 but it is not installable19:23
dr_willis            Recommends: libparse-debianchangelog-perl but it is not going to be installed19:23
BUGabundolibapt-inst1.3:  Installed: 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu119:23
BUGabundolibapt-pkg4.11:  Installed: 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu119:23
BUGabundodr_willis: you are kinda outdated :s19:23
dr_willisI just update/upgrade/dist-upgraded like 10 min ago.19:24
BUGabundo!info  libapt-pkg4.1119:24
ubottuPackage libapt-pkg4.11 does not exist in oneiric19:24
BUGabundodr_willis: humm maybe your mirror is old ?19:24
BUGabundo *** 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu1 019:25
BUGabundo        500 http://mirrors.fe.up.pt/pub/ubuntu/ oneiric/main amd64 Packages19:25
BUGabundo        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ oneiric/main amd64 Packages19:25
BUGabundo        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status19:25
dr_willisus ubuntu.com mirrors...19:25
charlie-tcadr_willis: did synaptic remove during your upgrades?19:25
charlie-tcaIt is being removed by current updating19:25
dr_willisI dident see where it said it was removeing anything..19:25
dr_willisbut it must have.19:25
BUGabundonot here19:25
bullgard4_GNOME 3 keeps me annoying: "Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network 'foo' for hours. GNOME 2 did stop bothering me in that way after a while. How can I program GNOME 3 to do likewise?19:26
dr_willisyou are connecting to foo? or is that some other network?19:26
zzzz_zzzzhello everyone19:26
dsatheuse as root19:27
zzzz_zzzzi have a problem with gdm(?). it does not start any session after i enter credentials for account. Any thoughts where i can get more info on what is going on ?19:28
dr_williszzzz_zzzz,  well lightdm is the default dm now. are you sure you are using GDM?19:28
zzzz_zzzzsudo stop dgm ends x session for me19:28
zzzz_zzzzso should i try to install it manually ?19:29
dr_willisyou could try a simple 'startx' after stoping gdm and see if you get to the desktop19:29
dr_williszzzz_zzzz,  i wouldent suggest installing anything right now..  theres some big changes hitting the package listings it seems. :)19:29
escottlovely this partial upgrade just sucked in the kdecore thats just terrific19:30
zzzz_zzzzstartx starts desktop with nautilus in global menu, no indicators, no unity panel :/19:30
BUGabundoanyone that has a apt search still working19:30
BUGabundocan you find me any tool to try getting my screens side to side?19:31
dr_williszzzz_zzzz,  make a .xinitrc that starts up a terminal.   then try starting  untity from the terminal perhaps?19:31
zzzz_zzzzwill try, ty19:31
dr_willisscreens side by side?19:31
dr_willisBUGabundo,  theres some big changes happening in the apt/synaptic/area right not it seems.. :) search not working will be a trivial thing.. heh.19:31
dr_willisright now..19:31
BUGabundodr_willis: dual monitor. right now they are in clone19:32
BUGabundoI want VGA to the left, and DVI right19:32
dr_willisBUGabundo,  whats your video chipset?19:32
BUGabundowith nouveay19:33
dr_willisNo idea with nouvea if it can do it or not.. try the monitors setting tool.19:33
dr_willisI use twinview/nvidia driver.19:33
dr_willisnouveau does not work very well for me19:33
BUGabundothe current monitor tool I've found in gnome-do19:33
BUGabundoonly allows to enable and set resolution19:33
BUGabundoI could try nvidia blob19:34
escottBUGabundo, when you go to the application search and type in monitor don't you have a display settings tool19:34
BUGabundoBUT with apt unstable, I rather not19:34
dr_willis gnome-control-center   ---> displays19:34
escottBUGabundo, otherwise try xrandr --output VGA1 --left-of DVI0 or whatever the variant would be19:34
Ian_Corneapt unstable?19:35
Ian_Cornehaven't noticed..19:35
dr_willisapt seems to be working.. synaptic.. no.. aptitude.. no..19:36
dr_willislets try the software center.. :)19:36
BUGabundograndr Works19:36
BUGabundowell, its totally broken19:36
BUGabundobut still manages to let me drag the VGA to the right19:36
dr_willisubuntu softwre center seems busted also right now for me19:38
Ian_Cornewhere's my restart button? :o19:39
dr_willisunder the couch?19:40
BUGabundoIan_Corne: long press power19:40
Ian_Corneah :p19:44
Ian_Cornestill can't believe how ugly the chat interface of empathy is compared to 11.04...20:03
Ian_Corneand then it magically turned back to normal when i accessed the preferences..20:04
Ian_Corneall's well ends well20:04
Ian_Corneom26er: should I mark it invalid or fix released?20:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 822333 in unity (Ubuntu) "Whenever an appication is closed, 100% cpu is used and process is still running" [Undecided,Incomplete]20:12
om26erIan_Corne, invalid20:13
bullgard4_GNOME 3 keeps me annoying: "Passwords or encryption keys are required to access the wireless network 'foo' for hours. GNOME 2 did stop bothering me in that way after a while. How can I program GNOME 3 to do likewise?20:31
KNUBBIGHey, anybody knows why gs looks like this: http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=aa4ffd-1312832926.jpg20:32
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BUGabundoIan_Corne: that would be a GTK bug20:44
Ian_Cornewhat would be?20:45
bullgard4_KNUBBIG_: You better emphasize verbally what you are interested in particular.20:45
Ian_Cornethe bug I showed?20:45
BUGabundo(08/08/2011 09:04:26 PM) Ian_Corne: and then it magically turned back to normal when i accessed the preferences..20:46
Ian_Cornewell it's fixed for now20:46
Ian_Cornemaybe some old cfg files needed to be updated20:47
Ian_CorneIf i run into it again, i'll file20:47
BUGabundoanyone knows how to create a swap file with more then 2GBs?20:52
dr_willisyou could make 2 swap files of 1gb each.. if you wanted to.. or a dozen of them....20:59
dr_willisnot sure theres a 2gb limit to swap file size really.20:59
Ian_Cornethere is not21:02
Ian_CorneI've got 10GB swap on my desktop21:02
BUGabundodr_willis: I already have 2 of 2GBs21:02
Ian_Corneoh file21:02
BUGabundobut I want to make a 10GBs on my NAS over giganet21:02
BUGabundodr_willis: seems to be hardcoded to the kernel parameters21:03
dr_willisa swap file over the network? that seems... weird.. :)21:03
dr_williscant say ive used a swap file in .. years...21:04
dr_willisback when 2gb of swap would be HUGE21:04
BUGabundodr_willis: its enough time for me to kill what ever is mem leaking21:04
BUGabundowithout causing local disk IO21:04
BUGabundodr_willis: 4GBs of RAM isn't enough to run 11.10 and two browsers21:05
BUGabundoI got *regular* OOM21:05
dr_willisseems to mention a bug in mkswp  but thats an OLD doc...21:05
BUGabundoI had to add two 2GBs swap files (on SSD)21:05
yofel_I did manage to create a 6GB swap file yesterday, on a regular HDD that is, copied it over to my SSD after that21:05
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BUGabundoyofel: you did?21:06
BUGabundoand it swap on fine ?21:06
yofelworks fine so far21:06
yofelI'm using it with uswsusp21:06
BUGabundocrazy guy21:07
yofelwell, some idiot designed the sandforce chip in my SSD in a way that it likes to not wake up after suspend. So I'm left with shutdown and hibernate21:07
BUGabundo 3218      20365          0      58639K       2.3G        1.4G      4116K       6812K     bugabund      bugabund      37%     chromium-brows21:07
BUGabundoI need MORE ram21:07
dr_willisgoogling now a bout swap files.. finding some neat articals on swappiong.. :) like setting up a swap 'raid' with several files...21:08
BUGabundoNAS> dd bs=11000 count=1M if=/dev/zero of=swapfile421:09
BUGabundo$ cat /proc/swaps21:09
BUGabundo/var/local/swapfile2                    file209714011640-121:09
BUGabundo/var/local/swapfile3                    file20971400-221:09
dr_willisim finding a lot of mentions of swap limits of 2gb max....21:10
dr_willisbut its in a ot of old old docs21:10
dr_willisUntil Red Hat Enterprise Linux 2.1 there was a limitation on the partition size of 2GB for each swap space. This was due to the mkswap command not supporting creation of a swap partition larger than 2GB.21:11
dr_willisSeems it may be a mkswap bug.....21:11
dr_willismore then it is a kernel limit.21:11
BUGabundoSetting up swapspace version 1, size = 11534331904 bytes21:12
BUGabundolets see if I can swapon over ether :D21:12
yofelwell, there is a check in mkswap for the PAGE size, but then I don't get why it worked for me when it didn't before21:12
BUGabundo$ sudo swapon /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile421:13
BUGabundoswapon: /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile4: swapon failed: Invalid argument21:13
dr_willisOh.. somthing nifty.. archlinux wiki mentions how you CAN resume from a swap file. and not a partition.. i did not even think that was possible... :)21:13
dr_willishow is that NAS shareing that file?21:14
dr_willisit might be a cifs limit.. I cant recall ever hearing of someone having a swap file on a share like that..21:14
dr_willisNFS perhaps...21:14
* dr_willis googles for CIFS swap file21:15
BUGabundoI had lots of problems trying to get NFS working with 11.1021:15
BUGabundoended up moving every machine to CIFS21:15
BUGabundoonly to find out that 11.04 hangs on shutdown21:15
dr_willisIn order to swap to a cifs share, you need to mount it and then use the loopback module to create the swapfile.21:15
yofeldr_willis: you can resume from a file, with uswsusp. You just need to tell it the offset from the partition beginning so it knows where to read/write to. There's a tool to find that out21:15
BUGabundoand its not fixed yet, not the workaround works if you have more then one mount point :(21:16
yofeljust that uswsusp is broken in oneiric and doesn't install the update-initramfs stuff. You'll find solution on the debian BTS21:16
dr_willisI just never shutdown . :)21:16
yofel*find a21:16
dr_willisBUGabundo,  well that url i just pasted has a potential work around.. but it is a bit old.. and for  a totally different disrto. :)21:17
BUGabundodr_willis: ill try it21:17
BUGabundoI swapoff one of my files and was almost at OOM21:17
BUGabundo[ 2766.452226] chromium-browse[19489]: segfault at 40 ip 00007ff95f361e09 sp 00007fff0c9edff0 error 4 in libX11.so.6.3.0[7ff95f322000+134000]21:18
dr_willisPut the swap file on your UbuntuOne account. :)21:18
BUGabundowhat the.....21:19
BUGabundo[  545.323741] exe (3274): /proc/3274/oom_adj is deprecated, please use /proc/3274/oom_score_adj instead.21:19
BUGabundo[ 1116.630373] SGI XFS with ACLs, security attributes, realtime, large block/inode numbers, no debug enabled21:19
BUGabundo[ 1116.632418] SGI XFS Quota Management subsystem21:19
BUGabundo[ 1116.644036] JFS: nTxBlock = 8192, nTxLock = 6553621:19
BUGabundo[ 1116.681329] NTFS driver 2.1.30 [Flags: R/O MODULE].21:19
BUGabundo[ 1116.697993] QNX4 filesystem 0.2.3 registered.21:19
BUGabundodr_willis: LOOOOOL21:19
rwwlolwat QNX421:19
dr_willisI rember QNX...21:20
dr_willisI just cant find a lot on putting a swap on a network share.21:20
BUGabundosudo aptitude install  kmod-loop  losetup21:22
BUGabundoI forgot.... I don't have APT anymore21:22
dr_willis!info dwww21:24
ubottudwww (source: dwww): Read all on-line documentation with a WWW browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.11.6 (oneiric), package size 104 kB, installed size 644 kB21:24
dr_willisthat was a 'reccomends' for synaptic i just now reinstalled....   never heard of that one befor21:24
yofelit essentially lets you view manpages and other docs in a browser21:24
yofelI *think* that runs on some debian.org server too, can't remember the URL21:25
dr_willisits pulling in apache it seems. :)21:25
rwwhttp://manpages.ubuntu.com/ exists too :)21:25
dr_willistheres often all theese docs.. all hidden away... :)21:27
dr_willisdwww is interesting at least...21:27
dr_willisgave me a -->  http://cowbuntu/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/xterm/xterm.faq.html?type=html21:27
BUGabundo$ sudo mount -o loop /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile421:28
BUGabundocpu lock!!! OMG21:28
BUGabundo     1         3.01s         0.45s       23628K         620K           0K           0K          ?          ?        69%       mount21:28
dr_willisgee  even with dwww - the info pages look... terriable.. :)21:29
* dr_willis throws water on BUGabundo 's cpu.21:29
BUGabundo sudo  losetup /dev/loop0 /mnt/NAS/homes/bugabundo/disks/swapfile421:30
BUGabundodoes nothing21:30
BUGabundo$ cat /proc/swaps21:35
BUGabundo/var/local/swapfile2                    file209714026620-121:35
BUGabundo/dev/loop0                              partition112639960-221:35
BUGabundothank you dr_willis21:35
BUGabundonow I need to translate this to ftab21:38
BUGabundofunny thing is, I don't see  the loop mount on mtab21:42
dr_willisold skool docs helped eh...21:44
dr_willisI dont knwo a lot.. but i know how to googles the nets!21:44

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