| robinetd | Hey guys. What do I have to do to get unbanned from -ot? | 01:07 |
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| robinetd | Pretty quiet in here. :O | 01:25 |
| elky | Yes, I suspect people are being otherwise social on the weekend. | 01:28 |
| robinetd | Could be. What is the recommended course of action in this situation? | 01:29 |
| elky | Wait for someone to return, since I suspect you really don't want this decision resting in the hands of someone who you've previously decide to harass in channels on a different network for being an op here. | 01:30 |
| robinetd | The past is the past, is it not? | 01:30 |
| elky | That wasn't the case at that time, so I see no reason why it should be now. | 01:31 |
| robinetd | No, at the time it was the present. | 01:31 |
| elky | No, it wasn't. | 01:31 |
| robinetd | ? | 01:31 |
| elky | Unless "the previous fortnight" or similar time distance qualifies as "present", in which case I'd like the blueprints for your time machine. | 01:32 |
| robinetd | No blueprint. You just travel around a black hole multiple times. | 01:33 |
| robinetd | I'll return in a minute. I have to make a pit stop. Let me know what I can do to resolve this issue between us. | 01:33 |
| elky | This isn't something that I alone can decide one, since it impacts the rest of the op team. Someone will get back to you when it's time to discuss it. | 01:35 |
| elky | s/one/on/ | 01:35 |
| robinetd | elky: I meant the private issue you have with me which might be better discussed in a private message, or if you prefer, not at all. I just want you to know that what happened was quite a while ago, and I'm sorry for it and wish that I hadn't done it in retrospect. | 01:38 |
| robinetd | The issue regarding the ban I can wait for others. Don't know who to wait for though. | 01:39 |
| elky | The way you can resolve it is to make sure it doesn't happen in the future. No need for private discussion. | 01:39 |
| elky | I'm still going to defer the ban resolution until it's been discussed with someone else. | 01:39 |
| robinetd | Do you know who I should wait for then? | 01:40 |
| elky | Probably rww or flannel | 01:40 |
| elky | I suspect they're dinnering around now. | 01:41 |
| robinetd | Is it okay if I wait for them in this channel? Or how do you suggest I know when they're around? | 01:41 |
| elky | Someone will pm or memoserv. | 01:42 |
| robinetd | Alrighty. It'll probably have to be a memoserv. rww can contact me on G+ if that's appropriate. I'm not on freenode as much as I used to be. | 01:43 |
| * rww hrms, open BT to refamiliarize himself | 01:56 | |
| robinetd | rww: Greetings. | 02:43 |
| rww | g'day | 02:44 |
| rww | I took a look at your bantracker record when I noticed you dropped by before, and I'm fine with removing it if you do the usual "I've read the IRC Guidelines and Code of Conduct and will follow them." thing. | 02:45 |
| rww | !guidelines | convenient link | 02:45 |
| ubottu | convenient link: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines | 02:45 |
| robinetd | I'll read it. It appears to have changed. | 02:47 |
| robinetd | rww: Most of the guidelines seem sane. I'll abide by them in ubuntu channels. | 02:53 |
| rww | both the sane and insane ones? :P | 02:54 |
| robinetd | In ubuntu channels, yes. | 02:54 |
| robinetd | I assume that this agreement doesn't require me to follow the guidelines in other channels also. | 02:55 |
| robinetd | For example. The whole "No obscenities" clause is one I deem not sane. I'll abide by it in ubuntu channels, but I don't exactly have the intention of actively doing so in other non-ubuntu channels. | 02:56 |
| rww | right | 02:56 |
| rww | Follow the rules of whatever channel you're in, but what I'm specifically talking about right now is #ubuntu-offtopic. | 02:57 |
| rww | what you do outside the Ubuntu namespace is none of my business :) | 02:57 |
| robinetd | Makes sense. | 02:57 |
| robinetd | So, problem is resolved then? | 02:58 |
| rww | yup, have a good evening | 02:58 |
| IdleOne | !coc > OmegaForte | 06:56 |
| jpds | OK, OmegaForte is being random. | 06:56 |
| IdleOne | random and annoying/rude/a pita | 06:56 |
| rww | bread | 06:56 |
| IdleOne | sorry for the bad word acronym. I know better. | 06:57 |
| Myrtti | there are some weird mushrooms being eaten by some it seems | 06:57 |
| rww | someone was driving 30kph too slow on the freeway today. so yes. | 06:58 |
| Myrtti | fail | 06:58 |
| Myrtti | hold on | 06:59 |
| rww | nope, it's a fail | 06:59 |
| Myrtti | a briton living in us talking about iso standard measurement units? I lubs u | 07:00 |
| rww | I also write dates correctly. | 07:00 |
| jpds | Myrtti: In you? Who did you eat? | 07:01 |
| Myrtti | you are my hero, kind sir! | 07:01 |
| IdleOne | Someone please lart OmegaForte | 07:02 |
| Myrtti | jpds: mobile phone vkb is ... mobile phone vkb | 07:02 |
| rww | do it yourself to make up for you dismal first attempt | 07:02 |
| rww | jpds did it better | 07:02 |
| IdleOne | rww: took me a couple minutes to realize what the fail! was for. | 07:03 |
| rww | go to sleeps, IdleOne | 07:03 |
| IdleOne | I should. | 07:03 |
| rww | oh goddess, jpds is sending them this way | 07:03 |
| Myrtti | fun times for all | 07:03 |
| rww | Myrtti: were you aware that cellphones sometimes have keyboards? also something about serial buses. | 07:04 |
| Myrtti | dundundun | 07:06 |
| Myrtti | someone could have a look at Zendmaster or whatever | 11:08 |
| Myrtti | I need to go for a while | 11:08 |
| elky | !guidelines > zenmaster | 11:12 |
| F-B-T | hey guys... | 13:15 |
| bazhang | F-B-T, hi | 13:16 |
| F-B-T | I need help. | 13:16 |
| bazhang | with? | 13:16 |
| F-B-T | I can't change the default nick I log in with and it's going to continually get me removed from #ubuntu | 13:16 |
| bazhang | ? | 13:16 |
| F-B-T | I even registered my current nick so that I could use it instead. | 13:16 |
| bazhang | take #ubuntu off the auto join list | 13:17 |
| F-B-T | My original nick is FatherBadTouch | 13:17 |
| F-B-T | Which, earlier this week it was brought to my attention how it can be seen as offensive. | 13:17 |
| bazhang | yep. that won't change. | 13:17 |
| F-B-T | I'm not saying it will, nor do I expect it. | 13:17 |
| bazhang | remove #ubuntu from the auto join list, problem solved. | 13:18 |
| F-B-T | What I need help with now is changing what it uses my nick as when it logs in. | 13:18 |
| bazhang | which client | 13:18 |
| F-B-T | XChat | 13:18 |
| bazhang | #xchat | 13:18 |
| F-B-T | I know how to remove it from my auto-join list, provided I'm in the channel. | 13:18 |
| F-B-T | ohhhh | 13:18 |
| bazhang | since this is not a support channel, ask there | 13:19 |
| F-B-T | I need a ban lifted though | 13:19 |
| F-B-T | I have a support problem again. | 13:19 |
| F-B-T | specifically with Ubuntu. | 13:19 |
| F-B-T | if you can say that. | 13:19 |
| bazhang | no ban in #ubuntu that I can see. | 13:21 |
| F-B-T | ty | 13:22 |
| Myrtti | there is one, but I left it on purpose | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | it's to prevent him to use that nick | 13:23 |
| bazhang | ok | 13:23 |
| bazhang | how anyone could think that's NOT offensive is beyond me | 13:23 |
| Myrtti | indeed | 13:23 |
| * jrib passes the patience tea to Pici | 13:43 | |
| Pici | O____O | 13:51 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (kloeriblowjob appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 13:55 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) | 13:55 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood (16)) | 13:55 |
| Pici | hrm | 13:55 |
| jrib | you're so eager ubottu | 13:55 |
| Myrtti | if he was muted, then why did I see the flood | 13:56 |
| marienz | irc's racy like that (it'll only reliably work right if the thing setting the mute is on the same server as the thing getting muted) | 13:59 |
| knome | is Darkmode banned in #ubuntu? | 14:39 |
| knome | he's asking ubuntu (network) stuff in #xubuntu | 14:39 |
| Pici | Do you remember seeing a ban? | 14:39 |
| knome | no | 14:40 |
| Pici | I see a mute that was set and then removed. | 14:40 |
| knome | is it recent? | 14:40 |
| Pici | Last week. | 14:41 |
| knome | okay... is there any notes about mutes? | 14:41 |
| Pici | Looks like it was a floodbot mute, nevermind. | 14:41 |
| knome | heh, okay :) | 14:41 |
| xvilo | hai | 15:54 |
| xvilo | can somebody delete my bann | 15:54 |
| Pici | xvilo: Have you looked over the channel guidelines like I asked? | 15:56 |
| Myrtti | xvilo: hello | 16:13 |
| oCean | <dommer> Iḿ allowed in here again :P | 16:17 |
| oCean | ? | 16:17 |
| ikonia | xvilo: can you please respond | 16:43 |
| Myrtti | *chomp* | 16:45 |
| oCean | AcidRain> well if im not back in 2 hrs. you know that ocean screwed me | 17:23 |
| Myrtti | yupyup | 17:50 |
| Pici | We're going to have a big problem with Unity come release day. | 18:13 |
| jrib | Pici: why's that? | 18:13 |
| Myrtti | need to do a straw poll on how many of us actually use it :-> | 18:13 |
| * jrib has never even tried unity | 18:14 | |
| Myrtti | I have | 18:14 |
| Myrtti | it was horrid | 18:14 |
| Pici | I tried using it and then I remembered that I don't like docks. | 18:14 |
| jrib | are the rumors about classic being gone in 11.10 true? | 18:14 |
| Pici | Yes. | 18:15 |
| Myrtti | "welcome to Xubuntu" | 18:15 |
| Pici | I've actually been using KDE :/ | 18:15 |
| charlie-tca | !yay Xubuntu | 18:15 |
| jrib | see you should have all jumped ship to a more obscure wm before unity was even thought of | 18:16 |
| Pici | Xubuntu is nice, but I wanted to try something different. | 18:16 |
| jrib | Pici: do you prefer kde to gnome 2? | 18:16 |
| Myrtti | it actually doesn't really matter what I'm using, lubuntu would probably be a better fit for me | 18:16 |
| Pici | jrib: No, it doesn't run that well on my laptop. | 18:17 |
| jrib | oh | 18:17 |
| ikonia | it's shame that the resources of canonica/ubuntu are not being put into developing gnome3 | 18:17 |
| charlie-tca | Just replace the window manager in Xubuntu to get something different | 18:17 |
| ikonia | gnome3 is the most realistic "future" but it's too early and needs input | 18:17 |
| jrib | is gnome 3 available in oneiric, ikonia? | 18:18 |
| ikonia | gnome shell isn't | 18:18 |
| ikonia | not as a core product | 18:18 |
| jrib | hmm | 18:19 |
| Pici | Its in the repos. | 18:19 |
| ikonia | gnome 3 is ofcourse what unity is built on, so it is there | 18:19 |
| ikonia | Pici: which repo ? | 18:19 |
| jrib | I meant shell, yes | 18:19 |
| ikonia | jrib: I get caught out miss-using the gnome3/gnome-shell combo | 18:19 |
| ikonia | that was my fault for bad wording | 18:19 |
| topyli | gnome-shell is in universe afaik | 18:19 |
| ikonia | better than multiverse | 18:19 |
| topyli | it's free software :) | 18:20 |
| ikonia | I'm just a little dissapointed that the resources haven't been put behind such a big and undoubtedly big player project | 18:20 |
| topyli | i'm sure gnome is still seen as important as ever, it is after all the very core of the ubuntu desktop | 18:21 |
| Pici | Anyway, my point in bringing this up was to perhaps discuss what we can do as ops to help people either use Unity or easily transition away from it. | 18:22 |
| ikonia | yes, gnome is, but the default shell, which is really what makes the desktop is pretty much zero interest | 18:22 |
| ikonia | Pici: discuss....... | 18:22 |
| Pici | ikonia: I don't know, we have a few months, maybe we should pester the documentation team or someone for some good wiki pages detailing how to move to $OTHERDE | 18:23 |
| charlie-tca | Xubuntu really appreciates any mention | 18:23 |
| ikonia | charlie-tca: I think it will gain a lot of traction in the Ubuntu world very quickly | 18:23 |
| topyli | as for using unity, i did move back to ubuntu and used unity until it stopped starting with my session | 18:23 |
| ikonia | Pici: I guess a cheat sheet of gnome->unity mapping would be a good start | 18:23 |
| topyli | maybe i should add it to the 'startup applications' or something to remind it | 18:24 |
| ikonia | a common problems page, eg: nvidia version $X doesn't work, pulse has a problem with $Y | 18:24 |
| ikonia | swapping to another desktop, that's a touch call, I think a re-install is the most simple way to deal with that to not leave tons of gnome stuff around | 18:25 |
| ikonia | or the creation of a meta package to strip gnome out of the system once another DE is in place | 18:26 |
| ikonia | I could look into that ? | 18:26 |
| jrib | there must exist a basic unity 101 document somewhere | 18:26 |
| ikonia | there is stome stuff on https://help.ubuntu.com - but it's more how to use, rather than how to swap from gnome | 18:27 |
| topyli | we don't need to remove gnome, what kind of problems do you have in mind? | 18:27 |
| ikonia | topyli: if you swap to say xubuntu, you don't want gnome on your system | 18:27 |
| jrib | personally, I think just telling people they can install xubuntu-desktop to try something more classical (and then swap back and forth at gdm) is good | 18:27 |
| Pici | xubuntu still uses gtk, doesn't it? | 18:27 |
| Myrtti | yup | 18:27 |
| topyli | xubuntu uses most of gnome anyway :) | 18:27 |
| Pici | As does lcde. | 18:28 |
| Pici | lxde* | 18:28 |
| ikonia | topyli: I wasn't saying remove gnome, I was suggesting a meta package that cleaned up gnome once you'd installed another system | 18:28 |
| ikonia | how much does it use ? | 18:28 |
| ikonia | I didn't think it was much | 18:28 |
| Myrtti | abiword and gnumeric | 18:28 |
| jrib | "unity wiki pages" on http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/unity/ just links to wiki.ubuntu.com -_- | 18:28 |
| Pici | :( | 18:28 |
| ikonia | jrib: thats teh kind of sloppyness that shouldn't be inplace, | 18:28 |
| ikonia | Canonical are launching a major product, and this stuff should be top notch before release. | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | gtk screensaver perhaps | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | not much | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | gtk yes | 18:29 |
| Myrtti | gnome, no | 18:29 |
| topyli | it runs the gnome-settings-daemon to keep the apps sane, no? | 18:31 |
| * rww reads scrollback | 18:31 | |
| rww | * Oneiric uses GNOME 3 by default, with Unity instead of GNOME Shell. Shell is in universe. * It's possible to install GNOME 3 fallback and pick that in GDM, it's probably the cloest we have to GNOME Panel in oneiric. | 18:32 |
| rww | !find fallback oneiric | 18:32 |
| ubottu | Found: gnome-session-fallback | 18:32 |
| rww | that package ^ | 18:32 |
| ikonia | rww: what does that take you to ? | 18:32 |
| jrib | yes, I'm curious how that panel differs from the one in classic now if anyone knows | 18:33 |
| rww | ikonia: GNOME 3 Fallback | 18:34 |
| Myrtti | topyli: well I do have gnome-settings-daemon, but I'm not too sure about when has it entered my system | 18:35 |
| topyli | jrib: it's similar to the gnome2 default panel arrangement, but not quite as good. in 3.0 anyway, i suppose they're improving it form 3.2 along with everything else | 18:35 |
| rww | jrib: it's GNOME 3 instead of GNOME 2, looks completely different, etc. It's malleable into something that looks like GNOME 2, though | 18:35 |
| Myrtti | that sounded wrong | 18:35 |
| Myrtti | sorry | 18:35 |
| rww | looks/works | 18:35 |
| jrib | other than looks, is there a functional difference? | 18:35 |
| rww | you need to hold down the Alt key to actually config anything. Apart from that, it works similarly for me | 18:35 |
| topyli | jrubyes, the panels aren't really gnome-panel and can't run gnome applets etc. | 18:36 |
| rww | (alt-right-click on things instead of right-click) | 18:36 |
| jrib | topyli: oh | 18:36 |
| rww | yeah, that too. I don't use applets much though | 18:36 |
| jrib | I guess that would bother people | 18:36 |
| rww | Amaranthus: your client pinged out, /nick and identify svp :) | 18:36 |
| * jrib makes note of what to program bots to say | 18:40 | |
| Pici | 'I am not a bot' | 18:40 |
| jrib | yeah, maybe with a '-_-' at the end for some emotion | 18:43 |
| === Amaranthus is now known as Amaranth | ||
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (missmist appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 20:25 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (n4nwq appears to be abusive and has been muted, will need to be UNMUTED MANUALLY) | 20:25 |
| Jordan_U | synapse is attempting to troll #ubuntu-offtopic. | 21:46 |
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