[04:56] <AlarmSpark> rww:o
[04:56] <rww> oh gods
[04:58] <jyo> ?
[04:58] <philipballew> he left quick
[04:58] <philipballew> well i think it was a he...
[04:59] <rww> spillover from #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:59] <rww> and yes, it's a guy
[04:59] <philipballew> this can be a off topic channel to somewhat
[05:00] <jyo> I assume this sort of randomness is par for the course for ops.
[05:00] <rww> it's par for the course for the Californian #ubuntu-offtopic users :\
[05:05] <philipballew> crazy people!
[21:47] <iheartubuntu> nhaines is the man im lookin for...
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> my neighbor has a computer randomly shutting off and rebooting
[21:48] <iheartubuntu> im thinking power supply, but some people on forums across the net say it could be hard drive also
[21:49] <iheartubuntu> i was running ubuntu updates on his comp yesterday and the power went off right in the middle
[21:49] <iheartubuntu> inside of computer is clean and power supply is clean inside too
[21:50] <pleia2> could be ram
[21:51] <pleia2> ("it's always ram")
[21:51] <pleia2> I'd say it's unlikely to be the harddrive if it boots reliably and you don't see filesystem errors
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> i wasnt seeing errors, although he now tells me before i put ubuntu on it 2 years ago it did this same thing but not as frequently as every day
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> he said "ubuntu fixed it" up until the past month
[21:52] <iheartubuntu> when i put ubuntu on i also put in a good video card and upped the ram from 512 to 3gb
[21:53] <pleia2> my debugging spidey senses tell me they are completely unrelated :)
[21:53] <pleia2> I'd run some memtests, if they come back clean I'd start pulling dimms and do hardware debugging
[21:54] <pleia2> pull out a dimm, do stress tests, etc
[21:55] <iheartubuntu> joy, but i guess thats better than taking out the power supply
[21:55] <iheartubuntu> i have a 4GB caviar HD laying here at work i was going to swap in
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> thanks pleia2
[22:00] <pleia2> good luck
[22:01] <iheartubuntu> philipballew knock knock
[22:02] <pleia2> you broke him!
[22:03] <iheartubuntu> i didnt touch the computer though :) i swear it
[22:04] <pleia2> heheh
[22:55] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it's probably RAM.  Also, a 4GB Caviar HD will probably not hold an Ubuntu install.
[22:58] <nhaines> pleia: I saw a recommendation for "The Articulate Advocate: New Techniques of Persuasion for Trial Lawyers" (ISBN: 978-0979689505) that covers things like stance, pacing, gestures, and such things about public speaking.
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> thanks nhaines i will check it out
[22:58] <iheartubuntu> it was brand new memory chips too
[22:59] <pleia2> nhaines: nice
[22:59] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: "brand new" means "untested"
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> yes
[22:59] <iheartubuntu> and i bought some cheap chips too
[22:59] <nhaines> pleia2: I've tried to work on my stance and gestures, but I don't speak enough anymore to perfect.  :)
[23:00] <nhaines> pleia2: actually, I haven't watched yet (still at work) but http://www.ernietheattorney/ has two links to clips from the author that might be insightful as to whether the book will be useful.
[23:01] <pleia2> nhaines: yeah, until recently I've mostly just focused on communicating clearly and without nervousness
[23:01] <pleia2> ooh, $9.99 as nook book
[23:01] <pleia2> if bn.com didn't suck
[23:01] <iheartubuntu> not to kiss butt... you both did great at the SCaLE ubucon
[23:02] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: it only looked that way because we're professionals.  In actuality we both sucked, just that only ourselves can see our own failings.  :)
[23:02] <nhaines> (Also known as: you're your own worst critic.)
[23:02] <pleia2> I did better at fosscon
[23:03] <nhaines> pleia2: I bombed the UpScale talk.  Spoke too fast.  But I think I nailed the Ubucon intros and Q&A.  :)
[23:03] <nhaines> I'm more confident when I'm adlibbing.  Thanks for setting me up for the "Ubuntu is an ancient African word for 'my wifi just works'" joke.
[23:03] <pleia2> the whole UpScale thing was a bit hectic in general
[23:04] <akk> Timing is really hard on ignite talks.
[23:05] <akk> Especially hard not to go too fast.
[23:05] <pleia2> yeah
[23:05] <nhaines> akk: I was amazed that even when I started to ramble I still got the timing okay.  Teaching day courses must've helped there.
[23:05] <nhaines> Luckily, Gareth foobaring my slides got the audience rooting for me.
[23:06] <akk> foobaring your slides?
[23:06] <pleia2> nhaines: I love living now, 8 minutes ago you suggested "The Articulate Advocate", I have since read the description read a couple of reviews, bought it and now it's loaded on my nook :)
[23:06] <akk> The modern girl! :)
[23:06] <nhaines> He autoadvanced through all 20 slides in 3 seconds about 8 seconds into my talk.  :)
[23:06] <akk> nhaines: eek! That could throw off your timing a bit. :)
[23:07] <nhaines> akk: I thanked everyone for their time and bowed, then when it was set up I introduced myself again as before and everyone cheered.
[23:07] <akk> I've seen windows people do that in regular (non-ignite) talks -- apparently PPT has a mode you can get into that autoadvances, and it's hard to get out of.
[23:07] <nhaines> Apparently Gareth found the afterburner (trying to go backwards caused the slides to flip through to the end--he did it two or three times.)
[23:08] <akk> Hope you didn't have any slides that were meant to be a big surprise!
[23:09] <nhaines> Just the xkcd comic that was hard to read in 15 seconds.  But everything flipped by too fast to read.
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> i went to a 2 hour talk last week and the guy was just horrible. it almost felt like he was a used car salesman at his previous job. i couldnt take it anymore and got up and left.
[23:09] <iheartubuntu> and both of you sound very natural
[23:10] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: what turned you off to the speaker?
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> he never made eye contact for one
[23:10] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: pleia2 will probably concur with me that sounding natural takes lots of practice.  :)
[23:10] <akk> A car salesman who doesn't make eye contact probably wouldn't do very well either.
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> it felt like he had the whole speech memorized and felt like i was invisible ot him
[23:10] <iheartubuntu> it made it boring
[23:11] <nhaines> pleia2: actually the 15 minute version of my UpScale talk played well at OCLUG.  :)
[23:11] <akk> I tend to dislike those rehearsed "motivational" speakers. Unless they're really really good.
[23:11] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: oh, right... what was the topic?
[23:11] <pleia2> yeah, teleprompter/memorized talks are much easier, it's much harder to be aware of your audience and look natural
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> stocks :)
[23:12] <nhaines> You have to know the material inside and out in order to adjust to your audience, for one.
[23:12] <iheartubuntu> i had to try and not look at him and just take notes
[23:12] <akk> I bet it's extra hard to make a speech on stocks interesting.
[23:12] <pleia2> there was one speaker at an event recently who was just reading from a script
[23:13] <pleia2> he had really good presence, but it was pretty dry, and he was really thrown off his game by questions
[23:13] <nhaines> pleia2: that's almost always an instant fail.
[23:13] <nhaines> Although, I might do that for a future talk... I'll bet I can make that funny.
[23:14] <pleia2> pretty much the only funny I can pull off is self-deprecating, but it works for me
[23:14] <nhaines> (The "script" would be a prop, obviously.)
[23:15] <nhaines> pleia2: I like using that, and I also like using very mild jabs at common computing frustrations, that invite the audience to smile along.
[23:15] <iheartubuntu> when i was in toastmasters one of the things was to make eye contact in small audiences, much larger ones and you can look at their foreheads and they wont know :)
[23:15] <akk> I mostly go with funny pictures (and sometimes the frustrations too).
[23:15] <pleia2> nhaines: ah yes, I've done that from time to time too
[23:15] <pleia2> "who has every used some foss that had poor documentation?" "HAHAHA"
[23:16] <nhaines> Yup!  The "Add/Remove Programs" one was my favorite... I'm sorry that one's gone.
[23:16] <akk> iheartubuntu: I saw a great presentation demonstrating eye contact -- you choose groups of people and make eye contact with the center of the group
[23:16] <iheartubuntu> interesting
[23:17] <akk> and then everybody in that group thinks you've made eye contact with them, close enough.
[23:17] <nhaines> Oh, this one was well-recieved. "If you tell others they should only run Ubuntu and Free Software, but you have a Macbook...  Well, that's not going to be very persuasive."  (Eat your own dog food!)
[23:17] <iheartubuntu> i havent spoken in public for a while now. would be fun to do again. and im sure i can do a lot better than this guy i listened to
[23:17] <akk> So you don't have to cover all 300 people, just each 5x5 subset (or whatever, depends on room size).
[23:17] <akk> dogfood, yeah ... it used to be so common for speakers on linux to use mac or windows!
[23:18] <pleia2> I made an accidental joke at my last talk, I called the ubuntu bug squad "bug people"
[23:18] <pleia2> *pause* "hehe, bug people"
[23:18] <akk> My local LUG got all mad at me when I pointed out that 6 of their last 7 speakers had used windows laptops.
[23:18] <pleia2> there was much laughing
[23:18] <akk> But I noticed that most of the next few speakers used linux laptops. :)
[23:18] <pleia2> hehe, nice
[23:19] <nhaines> I have an idea for a Linux comedy routine.
[23:19] <iheartubuntu> RAID
[23:20] <pleia2> nice, this books starts out with "The Paradox of Naturalness" :)
[23:21] <iheartubuntu> whats the routine nhaines
[23:21] <akk> Was it Churchill who wouldn't let someone interrupt him on the way to a meeting because "I'm busy preparing my extemporaneous remarks" ?
[23:25] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: I want to do some fun Ubuntu stuff.  "I got tired of all the ease of use and handholding.  I decided I wanted to go back to basics--the raw, genuine Linux experience with compiling my own code and everything.  So I typed 'sudo apt-get install gentoo'..."
[23:26] <nhaines> Then I might do a monologue from the "typical" computer user who refuses to learn anything, probably one from the "
[23:26] <nhaines> typical" Linux geek who thinks everyone should have to learn everything.
[23:27] <nhaines> That sort of thing.  Hopefully make fun of everyone in a way that invites people to laugh at themselves.
[23:30] <iheartubuntu> im going to attempt to start an Ubuntu Hour in LA union station where a bunch of metro lines, buss lines, metrolink, amtrak, etc all converge
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> i need to scout around the best place to do it. there are a couple places with tables and then there is that big hall where people sit and lounge around waiting for a train
[23:33] <akk> It would be cool to have an Ubuntu Hour in a place where there were a lot of newbies killing time.
[23:33] <akk> Might be able to talk some of them into checking it out.
[23:37] <iheartubuntu> hope to make it down to philipballew global jam