[08:16] <tjaalton> ricotz: thanks, though it's actually less work for me to just merge using git ;)
[08:17] <tjaalton> since it'll already include the changes, it's just the changelog entry that needs mangling
[08:18] <tjaalton> and I'd really like to get rid of klingon/latin
[08:41] <ricotz> tjaalton, ok, so no credits for then ;)
[08:42] <ricotz> yes, removing some delta could even lead to syncing it
[12:10] <Prf_Jakob> Hey people, I know I have asked this before and it isn't entierly the correct forum but does anybody know which kernel version is going into 11.04?
[12:11] <Prf_Jakob> Err 12.04..
[12:13] <RAOF> Prf_Jakob: Do you mean 11.10 or 12.04?  11.10 will have 3.0; 12.04 will have... something.  Probably 3.2 or 3.3, I'd guess.
[12:13] <Prf_Jakob> 12.04*
[12:13] <Prf_Jakob> RAOF: ok thanks...
[12:14] <Prf_Jakob> 3.3 looks a bit close.
[17:02] <tjaalton> ricotz: i can still credit you for poking me ;)
[17:15] <ricotz> tjaalton, alright ;)
[17:20] <bryceh> morning
[17:20] <Sarvatt> heyo bryce!
[17:21] <Sarvatt> back already?
[17:21] <bryceh> yep
[17:21] <tjaalton> bryceh: congrats :)
[17:21] <bryceh> tjaalton, thanks!
[17:22] <bryceh> coming back to work feels like I'm taking a vacation from paternity leave ;-)
[17:22] <tjaalton> hehe
[17:22] <tjaalton> "relaxing", wasn't it ;
[17:22] <tjaalton> ;)
[17:23] <bryceh> it had it's moments!
[17:30] <bryceh> Sarvatt, tjaalton, so what's new?
[17:32] <tjaalton> bryceh: nothing special I guess, oneiric is pretty boring xorg-wise ;)
[17:32] <tjaalton> mesa 7.11 final was uploaded though
[17:32] <tjaalton> by RAOF 
[17:32] <bryceh> good
[17:33] <tjaalton> oh and bug 820370 probably means that the failsafe conffiles should probably be removed in preinst after all?
[17:33] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 820370 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Tries and fails to remove /etc/gdm (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820370
[17:38] <bryceh> tjaalton, okay yeah could be
[17:38] <bryceh> tjaalton, would you mind making those updates?  You know those way better than me
[17:38] <tjaalton> bryceh: yeah, I could
[17:43] <bryceh> tjaalton, thanks
[19:41] <cnd> bryceh, Sarvatt, RAOF: I'm trolling for a core-dev to upload a new version of utouch-qml, which isn't in the utouch package set yet (so I can't upload it myself)
[19:42] <Sarvatt> cnd: I'm not even a MOTU or PPU, think ya meant tjaalton instead of Sarvatt there :P
[19:42] <cnd> Sarvatt, oh, sad to hear that...
[19:42] <cnd> Sarvatt, I'd be happy to endorse if you are going for it
[19:43] <cnd> I didn't bother with tjaalton because I figure he's probably in bed by now :)
[19:44] <tjaalton> not in bed, but moving my arse to the couch instead ;)
[19:45] <cnd> tjaalton, well, you are welcome to help, but I figure it's outside your work hours so feel free to pass :)
[19:45] <cnd> it's not urgent
[19:45] <tjaalton> ok, I can have a look in the morning unless bryceh beats me to it
[19:47] <cnd> k
[19:47] <Sarvatt> cnd: well when I do it'll be for an X package set, nothing else really fits and you haven't sponsored anything for me there :P by then you might though and I'll look you up, appreciate that!
[19:47] <cnd> tjaalton, it's in lp:utouch-qml/ubuntu
[19:48] <cnd> Sarvatt, I guess I was assuming you've sponsored stuff for me
[19:48] <cnd> which doesn't make sense in hindsight :)
[19:48] <cnd> it seems like you've helped me out somehwere though, I just can't remember
[19:49] <cnd> but maybe I'm just mixing things up
[20:48] <bryceh> cnd, done
[20:48] <cnd> bryceh, awesome1
[20:48] <cnd> !
[20:48] <cnd> thanks
[20:48] <cnd> bryceh, are you still on leave?
[20:49] <cnd> I feel bad pinging you if you are still on leave
[20:49] <bryceh> nope, today's first day back
[20:49] <cnd> ok
[20:49] <cnd> I hope things are going well
[20:49] <cnd> and congrats if I haven't said so yet :)
[20:49] <bryceh> cnd, oh thanks!
[20:51] <bryceh> cnd, was a good exercise to figure out why my oneiric pbuilder wasn't working
[20:51] <cnd> bryceh, you have an oneiric pbuilder!
[20:51] <cnd> ?
[20:51] <cnd> I can't figure out how to create one
[20:52] <bryceh> yep, I have pbuilders for all releases
[20:52] <cnd> every time I try I hit a bug (I think it's a bug in debootstrap)
[20:52] <tjaalton> bug 805886
[20:52] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 805886 in util-linux (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "/proc does not get umounted after debootstrap (affects: 9) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/805886
[20:52] <cnd> tjaalton, yep, that's the one
[20:52] <tjaalton> pretty annoying
[20:52] <cnd> tjaalton, is there a workaround?
[20:52] <cnd> or bryceh, how did you build one?
[20:53] <tjaalton> cnd: dunno, haven't looked at it closer
[20:53] <tjaalton> yet
[20:53] <bryceh> hmm, built it when oneiric first opened
[20:53] <cnd> I currently rely on building locally and checking if the daily build recipe succeeds
[20:53] <tjaalton> cnd: well, downgrade util-linux should be enough
[20:54] <bryceh> I recall having to do `pbuilder login --save-after-login` and fiddle around a bit to get it working
[20:54] <cnd> tjaalton, I believe I tried that
[20:54] <cnd> and it still failed
[20:54] <tjaalton> ok
[20:57] <bryceh> cnd, that bug # doesn't look familiar, maybe I'm just lucky
[20:58] <bryceh> or maybe having built the pbuilder early on I don't have the bugged mount
[21:00] <cnd> maybe
[21:00] <cnd> bryceh, I nominate that you fix it
[21:00] <cnd> that's how open source works right?
[21:00] <cnd> :)
[21:01]  * cnd holds the open source bug fix nomination wand tightly
[21:04] <Sarvatt> RAOF: so ya decided to ship st/gbm in 7.11 instead of --disable-gallium-gbm?
[21:04] <Sarvatt> all the pipe drivers
[21:05] <bryceh> cnd, I'll delegate to the X canonical person able to reproduce the bug
[21:06] <cnd> rats
[21:06] <bryceh> O:-)
[21:06] <bryceh> cnd, but anyway is it fixable if you log into the pbuilder chroot with the cmd I mentioned above?
[21:07] <cnd> bryceh, I can't build a pbuilder chroot in the first place
[21:07] <cnd> so I can't get to that point
[21:07] <cnd> unless there's some command that says "don't delete on error"
[21:07] <bryceh> ahh
[21:08] <bryceh> ok so then definitely I escaped it by building my pbuilder before all this came about
[21:08] <cnd> ok
[21:09] <bryceh> most workarounds I can think of at the moment are probably too much trouble to do
[21:09] <bryceh> like creating a natty pbuilder and then upgrading it
[21:10] <bryceh> cnd, are you creating your pbuilder on a oneiric host or natty?
[21:10] <cnd> oneiric
[21:10] <bryceh> I'm doing it on a natty host; perhaps it's the host version of mount that matters?
[21:10] <cnd> I don't know how to create it correctly on a different host
[21:10] <cnd> I've tried, but it seems to get hosed somewhere
[21:10] <cnd> if you know how to do it, please do tell :)
[21:10] <bryceh> cnd, did you try the workaroudn of downgrading util-linux?
[21:10] <cnd> then maybe I can copy it to my oneiric host
[21:10] <cnd> I did, but it didn't help
[21:47] <RAOF> bryceh: Welcome back!
[21:47] <bryceh> RAOF, hey thanks!
[21:47] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Yeah, might as well ship st/gbm; EGL isn't (or won't be) on the CD, so the extra space is meh.
[21:51] <RAOF> bryceh: Oooh, before I upload a new wayland/mesa - was there some reason that you restricted wayland to i386, amd64, armel?  I don't know of any reason why it wouldn't be useful on any arch (even debian/hurd!).
[21:52] <bryceh> RAOF, it was taking forever to build on ppc, so I dropped all archs except the ones I specifically thought it would be valid for
[21:53] <bryceh> no reason aside from that.  Feel free to restore the missing archs if you think there's value to having them
[21:54] <RAOF> Heh.  Well, it makes mesa packaging slightly less annoying, as I won't have to special-case wayland support for !i386 !amd64 !armel.
[22:15] <ricotz> RAOF, hello, it seems the dependency of libegl1-mesa on libwayland0 is too strict
[22:16] <RAOF> ricotz: No, it's deliberately that strict.
[22:16] <RAOF> Because there's not yet any API or ABI guarantees on libwayland, we're being cautious.
[22:16] <ricotz> RAOF, oh, ok
[22:17] <RAOF> Wait for mesa_7.11-0ubuntu2 to build and then everything will be installable again.
[22:18] <ricotz> i see, making a better snapshot version would help
[22:18] <ricotz> RAOF, yeah, i am using the edgers versions
[22:19] <ricotz> Sarvatt, might be useful to loosen this dep a bit for the ppa
[22:21] <RAOF> The dependency information is in the libwayland package; it's not trivial for -edgers to relax that.
[22:21] <RAOF> Having said that, I also don't expect there to be lots of wayland updates.
[22:22] <ricotz> hmm, bad timing then ;)
[22:22] <ricotz> the current edgers build depends on ubuntu2 now
[22:24] <RAOF> Yeah.  It just needs a rebuild.
[22:28] <RAOF> Or, I guess, you could not install EGL support :)
[22:31] <ricotz> RAOF, this might be a bit difficult -- libcairo2 ;)
[22:31] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.
[22:32] <RAOF> That'll go away at some point.
[22:33] <ricotz> i hope so, seems the cairo-gl backend make a lot problems
[22:34] <bryceh> yep
[22:36] <RAOF> Thinking of which - the next thing to do with wayland is upload a new wayland-demos package, right?  Would you like me to do that?
[22:38] <bryceh> RAOF, is libwayland in main yet?
[22:39] <RAOF> bryceh: Yup.  I got that squared away last week.  Mesa now builds the wayland-egl backend.
[22:39] <bryceh> RAOF, excellent.  I've actually got the wayland-demos package ready to go, I'll take care of uploading it
[22:43] <bryceh> RAOF, did you have anything to add to the package beyond syncing from debian?
[22:43] <RAOF> bryceh: Which package?  wayland-demos?
[22:44] <bryceh> RAOF, yep
[22:44] <RAOF> Oh, I hadn't really looked at it :)
[23:20] <Sarvatt> ricotz: whats up? just need a mesa no change rebuild or need me to relax dependencies in mesa?
[23:23] <RAOF> Sarvatt: New libwayland means mesa needs a rebuild.
[23:23] <Sarvatt> gotcha, doing now
[23:26] <RAOF> And, in general, each wayland upload will requrie a rebuild of mesa.
[23:28] <ricotz> Sarvatt, ok, thanks, the natty wayland package is fine since there were no ppa relevant changes
[23:29] <Sarvatt> thanks for the heads up, i'll keep an eye on wayland uploads then. haven't been following it to be honest
[23:29]  * Sarvatt installs so he notices the brokenness :)
[23:30] <RAOF> Well, you're guaranteed to notice the brokenness now that mesa actually uses it ;)
[23:39] <bryceh> should we consider including wayland snapshots in edgers?
[23:39] <bryceh> or would that be more trouble than worth at this point
[23:48] <Sarvatt> i'm overwhelmed with the other updates in there to be honest, with ivybridge so close I'm not sure thats going to change anytime soon
[23:50]  * Sarvatt got 4 new machines to work on in the past week
[23:55] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Speaking of ivybridge, what was the problem with 2.15.901 you were having?  Everything seems to be peachy here, although I should probably install gdm to actually see if the bgnone thing is working properly; lightdm still doesn't seem to do it.
[23:55] <Sarvatt> 101_copy_fb.patch needs fixing to apply to it?
[23:56] <Sarvatt> ya disable it to build or were you using edgers?
[23:56] <RAOF> I refreshed it :)
[23:56] <Sarvatt> woohoo!
[23:56] <Sarvatt> that was it
[23:56] <RAOF> It didn't require anything particularly special, but perhaps that's because I know what it does :)
[23:56]  * Sarvatt owes RAOF a beer if he can drag him away from the board games
[23:56] <Sarvatt> :P
[23:58] <RAOF> Actually, now that I look at it again I can simplify it a bunch.  It looks like intel_batch_submit no longer references the screen pixmap, which was what the intel_batch_buffer_submit_internal thing was about.
[23:59] <RAOF> Or, alternatively, I guess uxa could be setting the screen pixmap earlier.  Investimagation time!