[01:12] <nlsthzn> highvoltage: cool, hadn't realized you where Jonothan Carter... was just reading your blog posts on planet.ubuntu.com and thinking to myself how much I am enjoying them :)
[01:29] <highvoltage> nlsthzn: thanks. I can sometimes blabber way too much though
[01:31] <nlsthzn> highvoltage: thats why it is good you are blogging and not micro-blogging :p
[01:35] <highvoltage> :D
[02:12] <nlsthzn> well... my turn to go home... cheers all
[05:02] <superfly> nlsthzn: it's fine, mrs_fly can hold her own... and only an idiot would try to pick up a married woman
[05:03] <superfly> I think we need to ban chatmosphere.org, never seen anyone from that domain do anything useful
[06:44] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:48] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[07:58] <nuvolari> o/ morning oom Kilos- 
[07:59] <Kilos-> lo nuvolari 
[09:33] <nuvolari> lo kbmonkey 
[09:34] <kbmonkey> lo nuvolari 
[09:36] <Kilos-> lo apie
[09:36] <Kilos-> Maaz, coffee on
[09:36]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:36] <kbmonkey> lo Kilos- 
[09:38] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[09:38] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[09:38] <inetpro> more Kilos
[09:38] <inetpro> and hi everyone else
[09:38] <Kilos> more inetpro 
[09:40] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos- and inetpro!
[09:41] <inetpro> Maaz: thank you kindly
[09:41] <Maaz> inetpro: no problemo
[09:42] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:42] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:44] <kbmonkey> het by die lug opgedaag nuvolari maar niemand was daar nie. oh well
[09:45] <Kilos> eish dis jammer ne
[09:45] <Kilos> miskien kom hulle nou eers daar aan
[09:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: hoe meen jy? soos in rerig niemand nie, net jy, of niemand nie soos in geen ekstra gesigte nie?
[09:46] <Kilos> lol
[09:46] <kbmonkey> die plek was gesluit :/
[09:47] <kbmonkey> unless there was another room in another building, lol. 
[09:47] <kbmonkey> but i handed my phone in for repairs in hour before so i had no way to contact anyone. murphey hey
[09:55] <Kilos> later guys. i go investigate
[10:23] <scar[w]> hi guys
[10:33] <nuvolari> bah, that sucks
[10:33] <nuvolari> lo nlsthzn 
[10:33] <nuvolari> lo scar[w] 
[11:19] <hihanhoesj> hello
[11:21] <hihanhoesj> methinks its time for a religious debate: What would you guys suggest for upsize (20GB+) databases? Mysql or Postfix?
[11:21] <hihanhoesj> *Postgres
[11:25] <superfly> hihanhoesj: it totally depends on what your primary use of the DB is
[11:25] <superfly> are you mostly doing reads or mostly doing writes?
[11:25] <kbmonkey> csv?
[11:26] <hihanhoesj> both
[11:26] <hihanhoesj> looking at a replicated system
[11:26] <hihanhoesj> for redundency
[11:27] <hihanhoesj> so far my tests came out that both is about the same speed on reads and writes, running on a fairly empty dataset
[11:27] <hihanhoesj> also picked up the mysql does not realy like commits that much :)
[11:30] <hihanhoesj> so I am looking for some external viewpoints
[11:35] <kbmonkey> only worked with large sql databases. afaik mysql should be fine for that size
[11:35]  * Owkkuri agrees
[11:35] <kbmonkey> at that point it comes down to setting up IO and bandwidth
[11:36] <kbmonkey> of course database design plays an important part
[11:37] <kbmonkey> if the two engines performed nearly identical, I'd go for the one more used, purely for the community support if I need it
[11:43] <hihanhoesj> Thank you for your inputs
[11:43] <hihanhoesj> I will keep it in mind
[11:53] <superfly> hihanhoesj: if you're mainly doing selects, nothing beats MySQL with MyISAM tables for speed... and I mean NOTHING
[11:54] <superfly> if you're worried about referential integrity, but you're never gonna have any tables with more than a million rows in them, MySQL with InnoDB
[11:55] <superfly> if you are going to have tables with more than a million rows, and you're not mostly doing reads, then you want PostgreSQL
[13:25]  * nlsthzn-work waves
[14:11] <Kilos> grrrr
[14:12] <Kilos> is there a way to make wget use epiphany rather than firefox guys?
[14:13] <Kilos> was working offline and next thing ff says there are new addons and plugins and updates available
[14:14] <Kilos> or will wget use epiphany if i uninstall ffox
[14:15] <nlsthzn-at-work> Hi uncle Kilos ... I am not sure what the problem is... I always use wget in terminal...?!
[14:16] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn-at-work i wanted to read offline about grub stuff and ff was helping itself to my data
[14:16] <Kilos> lol
[14:17] <Kilos> it shows working offline but then says there are addons etc, so how does it know that if we offline
[14:25] <Kilos> basically i would like to tell wget to use epiphany and not firefox
[14:26] <nlsthzn-at-work> That sucks... 
[14:26] <nlsthzn-at-work> I still don't know how you are using wget as I have only used it to download stuff from the net... never used it in conjunction with a browser
[14:30] <Kilos> oh sorry. the page i downloaded with wget opens with ff
[14:30] <Kilos> i see if i right click it i can use epiphany to open it too
[14:31] <Kilos> but surely wget must use a browser to got get
[14:32] <nlsthzn-at-work> nope... wget just downloads stuff... if I need to download a file from the net... I copy the URL from the browser, open a terminal and use wget to download it :)
[14:32] <Kilos> genuine
[14:33] <Kilos> im sure it must go online through a browser
[14:33] <nlsthzn-at-work> once you have downloaded the html file from the net... you can use many ways to read it... there is even a terminal browser called lynx... not sure how to tell it to display a downloaded html file but it must be possible :)
[14:33] <nlsthzn-at-work> nope... all a browser does is interpret an html file on a server and display the contents....
[14:33] <Kilos> oh my
[14:34] <nlsthzn-at-work> think of IRC... we are using the "internet" but no browser required :)
[14:35] <Kilos> yes but if you use pidgin you can set which browser it goes online with
[14:35] <Kilos> methinks evolution as well
[14:36] <nlsthzn-at-work> No... you can set which browser it will use if a link is clicked to open a web page :)
[14:36] <nlsthzn-at-work> same as on XChat and various IRC clients... only of a web page link is found and clicked it will launch the chosen broweser to show the site...
[14:37] <Kilos> whew one learns something every day. i didnt know you can actually connect to the internet unless through a browser
[14:38] <Kilos> thatnks nlsthzn-at-work 
[14:38] <nlsthzn-at-work> the part of the internet known as the word wide web (www) you browse by using a browser... but the internet is so much more than that :)
[14:39] <nlsthzn-at-work> Kilos: hope it makes sense :)
[14:39] <nlsthzn-at-work> if it doesn't I am sorry :p
[14:39] <Kilos> so then if i uninstall epiphany and fox xchat and pidgin will still work?
[14:40] <nlsthzn-at-work> sure
[14:40] <Kilos> it makes sense what you are telling me if xchat and pidgin have their own built in browser kinda goodies
[14:41] <nlsthzn-at-work> each of them uses your connection to the internet to connect to different servers in different ways to facilitate communication ...
[14:42] <Kilos> oh basically a direct xchat vodacom connection here then?
[14:44] <nlsthzn-at-work> almost... but you have set up XChat to connect to the freenode IRC servers via Vodacom... there are many IRC servers and you can use Xchat to connect to different ones... each having diffrent channels :)
[14:45] <Kilos> like we use freenode?
[14:46] <nlsthzn-at-work> Yes, ubuntu's channels are on the freenode servers :)
[14:46] <nlsthzn-at-work> but there are many... some very old...
[14:46] <nlsthzn-at-work> very scarry for noobs like us :)
[14:47] <Kilos> thanks nlsthzn-at-work that helps lots so i can kill ffox then because it always wants to update anyway and it wastes data here because i dont use it
[14:47] <nlsthzn-at-work> sure... just don't launch it... you can keep it on your system for when it is needed :)
[14:48] <Kilos> i have epiphany and midori that install and dont nag to update all the time
[14:48] <nlsthzn-at-work> if you like to browse the net with minimum data usage you can launch terminal and type lynx (should be installed)... no pictures or videos or scripts are possible to run... all text :)
[14:49] <Kilos> yes ty inetpro got me using lynx a while back already but it takes more thinking
[14:49] <Kilos> lol
[14:50] <Kilos> i dont browse at all anymore, even stopped blogging and updating my site
[14:50] <nlsthzn-at-work> Ah ok... I tried it once or twice... frustrated me when it took me 5 minutes to do something that should have taken 30 seconds :)
[14:50] <Kilos> lol
[14:50] <nlsthzn-at-work> Pity the prices for the net are still so silly high in SA :/
[14:51] <Kilos> there is another one called links i think
[14:51] <nlsthzn-at-work> yup
[14:51] <Kilos> i used them last on lucid
[14:52] <nlsthzn-at-work> Kilos: so you are on natty now right?
[14:52] <Kilos> no i am on maverick, i have natty on my 6g drive but havent updated
[14:53] <Kilos> its same as maverick when using gnome classic
[14:53] <nlsthzn-at-work> Ah ok :)
[14:53] <Kilos> but a couple of hundred megs update is out of the question
[14:55] <nlsthzn-at-work> True... it took me to come to a foreign country to really start using GNU/Linux :/
[14:56] <Kilos> yeah , kinda sad actually
[15:05] <inetpro> heh Kilos, you can think of the browser as having it's own wget in the background and storing the file in a local temp folder before interpreting so you can read it
[15:05] <Kilos> the wget browser inetpro 
[15:06] <inetpro> wget is just a very basic download utility, everything happens without needing a giu
[15:06] <inetpro> gui*
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: in fact most gui applications on linux rely on cli stuff to happen in the background
[15:07] <Kilos> ok so how does it go get pages from the net then
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos: think about cp
[15:07] <nlsthzn-at-work> a web page is literally a file :)
[15:07] <inetpro> it simply copies a file from a remote system
[15:08] <Kilos> yes it is copying but what is it actually using to go online?
[15:08] <inetpro> Kilos: TCP/IP
[15:08] <Kilos> ah thanks inetpro this was a bit hard to savvy for me
[15:09] <Kilos> so wget is the way to go for me then
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on what you want to do
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
[15:10] <Kilos> all i do now is get info to help fix things like my recovery mode which is sick even though grub2 is new
[15:10] <nlsthzn-at-work> The bigger the problem... :p
[15:11] <Kilos> yip me got a 14lb
[15:12] <Kilos> i tried everything grud related to fix recovery mode, even purged grub
[15:13] <inetpro> Kilos: lynx is very good at pulling web based information and allowing you to read it in a simple plain text format without pulling all the large images and fancy new web2 stuff that requires more bandwidth
[15:14] <Kilos> yes i think i will get lynx again
[15:14] <inetpro> while firefox is many things for many people
[15:14] <Kilos> yeah ff is good if you uncapped
[15:16] <inetpro> Kilos: unfortunately most of us have become way to spoiled with all the good stuff in modern browsers like ff and many sites are therefore no longer legible with plain old lynx
[15:17] <Kilos> yeah
[15:18] <inetpro> and the sad part is that the visually impaired are the most affected by all this
[15:19] <Kilos> yeah
[15:45] <Kilos> Maaz, define TCP/IP
[15:45] <Maaz> Kilos: TCP/IP n 1: a set of protocols (including TCP) developed for the internet in the 1970s to get data from one network device to another [syn: {transmission control protocol/internet protocol}, {TCP/IP}], TCP/IP /T'C?P I?P/, n.  1. [Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol] The wide-area-networking protocol that makes the Internet work, and the only one most hackers can speak the name of without laughing or retching. Unlike such 
[15:47]  * Kilos wonders what the rest of it says
[15:47] <Kilos> hehe
[15:51]  * nlsthzn-at-work decided not to mention TCP/IP because either you get it or you don't :)
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:52] <Kilos> thanks for the help nlsthzn-at-work 
[15:52] <Kilos> i was under the impression everything worked online through browsers
[16:19] <nlsthzn-at-work> Kilos: no prob... live and learn
[16:28] <Kilos> what is the wine goodie for kubuntu please
[16:30] <nlsthzn-at-work> ?
[16:39] <Kilos> ok maaz knows
[16:40] <Kilos> maaz google wine for kubuntu
[16:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "Kubuntu 101: Installing WINE" http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/10/installing-wine.html :: "Ubuntu and Kubuntu - Wine-Wiki" http://wiki.jswindle.com/index.php/Ubuntu_and_Kubuntu :: "WineHQ - Installing the latest Wine on Ubuntu" http://www.winehq.org/download/ubuntu :: "[kubuntu] Mac Mini 3,1 , WINE, and Kubuntu - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1608907 :: "[SOLVED] Installing Wine on Kubuntu" http://www.li
[16:46] <Kilos> to wget that page must i add something before the link guys?
[16:46] <Kilos> or just wget http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/10/installing-wine.html
[16:49] <aquarat> that should work
[16:49] <aquarat> sometimes I put the url between quotes?
[16:49] <aquarat> but only if it has weird chars in it
[16:49] <Kilos> ty aquarat 
[16:49] <aquarat> :)
[16:49] <aquarat> that won't get page requisites btw
[16:50] <aquarat> it'll only retrieve the webpage and nothing else
[16:50] <Kilos> we need basically the blog on how to
[16:50] <Kilos> the text
[16:50] <aquarat> k
[17:40] <Kilos> nlsthzn-at-work, when you going home
[17:40] <Kilos> you been at work for ages now
[17:42] <nlsthzn-at-work> haha... been home, slept and I am back... another 9 hours to go again...
[17:42] <nlsthzn-at-work> Kilos: ^
[17:42] <Kilos> lol shame
[17:43] <Kilos> nlsthzn-at-work, ^
[17:43] <Kilos> hee hee
[17:44] <nlsthzn-at-work> :p
[18:34] <Kilos> have a good shift nlsthzn-at-work 
[18:34] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[18:38] <nlsthzn-at-work> Kilos: night
[19:33] <Kilos> hey guys i ran  cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg , cat /etc/fstab
[19:33] <Kilos> does the following line mean there is an error
[19:34] <Kilos> # / was on /dev/sda6 during installation
[19:34] <Kilos> UUID=e70531c1-ef91-4c37-85d8-fe657af05f03 /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[19:38] <nlsthzn-at-work> the line errors-remount is a kernel parameter it seems...
[19:39] <nlsthzn-at-work> Actually, its not an error. The errors=remount-ro option will mount the filesystem in read-only mode if in case problems occur during the mount process which prevents data loss.
[19:39] <nlsthzn-at-work> Filesystem's way of "Self-Preservation".
[19:39] <nlsthzn-at-work> this from Ubuntu Forums
[19:39] <Kilos> oh does the bit about it was on /dev/sda6 doesnt mean its not there anymore
[19:41] <Kilos> because yesterday the swap one also said something about errors and kbmonkey helped me fix it but that was looking at the wrong uuid and this one seems to be looking in the right uuid
[19:43] <Kilos> and the swap one doesnt have the errors bit in anymore
[19:43] <Kilos> whew
[19:43] <nlsthzn-at-work> i am not sure mr kilos... it is all greek to me :)
[19:44] <kbmonkey> you summoned?
[19:44] <Kilos> lol haha even more so to me nlsthzn-at-work 
[19:44]  * nlsthzn-at-work also wants to invoke an apie...
[19:44] <Kilos> sorry kbmonkey  i didnt just used your name in vain
[19:44] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[19:45] <kbmonkey> i just managed to get back
[19:45] <kbmonkey> is nuvolari around? i have a python question for him just now
[19:45] <Kilos> python is superfly 
[19:45] <Kilos> hes the pyman
[19:45] <kbmonkey> oh yes nuvo is java man :)
[19:45] <superfly> aloha?
[19:46] <kbmonkey> hello superfly :) i have a query about python
[19:46] <Kilos> hiya superfly 
[19:48] <Kilos> kbmonkey, enquire then , im sure he is waiting for it
[19:48] <kbmonkey> I'm making a python script that can read from stdin so that we can pipe data to it
[19:48] <kbmonkey> so "echo 'hello world' | ./myscript' works fine
[19:49] <kbmonkey> but if there is no data in the pipe, then the script waits for input from stdin via keyboard.
[19:50] <kbmonkey> nothing serious, but can't find a way to see if there is any data to read from stdin. so instead of the script pausing for input, I can print usage info/how to use the script info instead.
[19:50] <Kilos> nlsthzn-at-work, lotsa greek here
[19:50] <superfly> kbmonkey: I haven't ever needed to do something like that, but perhaps Google can assist you?
[19:51] <kbmonkey> I'm not explaining well, the two-lines of python code can demonstrate this very well :) i have tried google, but I will keep on digging :]
[19:51] <nlsthzn-at-work> I want to learn Python... But the english version :
[19:51] <nlsthzn-at-work> :p
[19:52] <superfly> kbmonkey: I know what you mean, I've just never encountered your particular scenario
[19:52] <Kilos> lol yeah pyhton is parseltongue
[19:52] <kbmonkey> okay thanks :)
[19:53] <kbmonkey> simply put, writing a python script so you can it with parameters, or you can pipe data to it.
[19:54] <kbmonkey> it is greek Kilos and nlsthzn-at-work :]
[19:54] <Kilos> lol
[19:54] <kbmonkey> im trying to learn more of it, that's why all this fuss
[19:54] <Kilos> you know what parseltongue is
[19:54] <kbmonkey> nope
[19:54] <nlsthzn-at-work> I do, wouldn't have thought Uncle Kilos would
[19:54] <nlsthzn-at-work> :)
[19:54] <Kilos> kbmonkey, do you have byteofpython
[19:55] <kbmonkey> i do!
[19:55] <Kilos> eish then we better ask maaz
[19:55] <Kilos> make a nice google request for him
[19:56] <Kilos> parseltongue is snake language in harry potter books
[19:56] <kbmonkey> the language of serpents
[19:56] <kbmonkey> ah okay
[19:56] <kbmonkey> i did not know.
[19:56] <Kilos> kbmonkey, well done
[19:56] <kbmonkey> google helped me
[19:57] <Kilos> lol you guys and google
[19:57] <kbmonkey> google, for those of us who don't care for harry potter ;)
[19:57] <Kilos> yeah i didnt but now with min data i read books on cell
[19:58] <Kilos> Maaz, google  writing a python script to pipe data
[19:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "Read from database, write to another database, simultaneously" http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t398102-read-from-database-write-to-another-database-simultaneously.html :: "10.2. Standard input, output, and error - Dive Into Python" http://diveintopython.org/scripts_and_streams/stdin_stdout_stderr.html :: "windows - Pipe out of a command or script to another python script ..." http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4196969/pipe-out
[19:59] <kbmonkey> i like real scary books :] oh kilos maybe if you use a text web browser you can surf more, no images will save your lots!
[19:59] <Kilos> yeah i got lynx but hard to work it out
[19:59] <kbmonkey> thanks Maaz, I will take it from here :)
[19:59] <Kilos> got links2 as well but they use brainpower
[20:00] <kbmonkey> i go to the help and i write down all the keys i might use. that helps
[20:00] <kbmonkey> brb
[20:00] <Kilos> i actually said night a while back already
[20:01] <Kilos> see you morrow guys. have a good night
[20:04] <nlsthzn-at-work> http://postimage.org/image/eska1nxg/
[20:07] <kbmonkey> inverse world map :D
[20:08] <nlsthzn-at-work> Pretty cool
[20:14] <superfly> kbmonkey: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2001-February/003459.html
[20:14] <superfly> that might help
[20:17] <kbmonkey> thanks superfly! that will definitely help.
[20:18] <kbmonkey> i found a Stack Overflow question that matches my issue to the letter (http://goo.gl/CQL01)
[20:22] <superfly> oh, kbmonkey, you might like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myxZ2CiFJkI
[20:23] <kbmonkey> must be for an older python, file object does not have a istty attribute. let me try the other solutions
[20:26] <kbmonkey> ha ha that is too cool. food fight!
[20:26] <superfly> kbmonkey: you're reading it wrong
[20:26] <superfly> not "istty" , "isatty"
[20:28] <kbmonkey> oh thanks, i took the code in site for my unit test. now i know :)
[20:29] <kbmonkey> yes that works beautifully, thanks superfly :)