[08:54] <falktx> hi there
[11:55] <scott-work> morning
[12:35] <astraljava> o/
[12:38] <scott-work> after our conversation yesterday i am feeling energized again
[12:38] <scott-work> astraljava: ^^^
[12:38] <astraljava> YES!! Mission accomplished. I can go slack off again.
[12:39] <scott-work> lol :)
[12:39] <astraljava> Hehe. :) Seriously, it was really good for me to host the meeting. I seem to have gotten more excited as well.
[12:39] <scott-work> good :)
[12:40] <scott-work> that coincides with my question about hosting the meeting and an potential increase of involvement
[12:40] <astraljava> Also, in a week, I'll be having a 100/10 line at home, so I get to really devel and test, I mean, seriously, so I'm getting pumped up right now.
[12:41] <scott-work> i believe that many people are hesitant to speak in meetings because they don't feel honestly involved or part of the project
[12:41] <astraljava> Yeah. It's just the thing of getting your hands dirty, you get to the feel of things.
[12:41]  * astraljava is all about things today, it seems
[12:41] <scott-work> once they lead the meeting some of the mysteriousness or unfamiliarity dissapates and people seem to be more willing to be active
[12:41] <astraljava> Right, exactly.
[12:42]  * scott-work wonders if that will translate to project lead as well
[12:42] <astraljava> holstein: Do you recall seeing the minutes of the meeting you hosted in July?
[12:43] <astraljava> scott-work: I would assume as much. After all, we're not seeing really long-term leaders in teams of ubuntu-land. It's an exhaustive position, and will need fresh blood every once in a while.
[12:43] <astraljava> The rotation should utilize for that nicely.
[12:43] <astraljava> utilize that* ?
[12:44] <astraljava> or not utilize at all, maybe something else.
[12:44] <astraljava> But you get the point.
[12:44]  * astraljava wishes he knew more English
[12:56] <abogani> 8.9-lowlatency kernel is available.
[12:56] <abogani> I meant 8.10
[13:08] <scott-work> astraljava: many people in this channel are not native english speakers, however i have not found many occurrances for which i could not undestand them
[13:09] <scott-work> i have pointed out several times that i have found many English Second Language (ESL) speakers to speak better than many native English speakers
[13:09] <scott-work> this is a position for which i speak honestly
[13:10] <scott-work> ah, alessio is gone before i could thank him
[13:30] <scott-work> ah, abogani , good afternoon to you my friend!
[13:30] <abogani> scott-work: good afternoon to you! :-)
[13:31] <scott-work> thank you for mentioning the -lowlatency kernel
[13:31] <scott-work> is this the 3.8.10 kernel? and is it in your git repository?
[13:33] <abogani> scott-work: Yes!
[13:36] <scott-work> abogani:  in the past have you ever considered if the debian multimedia team would accept your kernels, particularly the -lowlatency kernel?
[13:37] <scott-work> i wonder if they would or not
[13:38] <abogani> scott-work: I don't care because kernels are never imported in Ubuntu from Debian directly .
[13:39] <scott-work> ah, a very astute point
[13:39] <abogani> scott-work: For same reasons: different patches, different versions, different toolchain and so on...
[13:39] <scott-work> yes, i should have realized this
[13:41] <scott-work> abogani:  emmett has been unresponsive for the currently packaged kernel in my ppa and therefore i am hesitant to devote time to packaging this one as well :/
[13:42] <scott-work> my time has been overly taxed and i am trying to be judicious with it of late
[13:43] <scott-work> astraljava: i spoke with skaet last night/this morning regarding the A3 image and whether it had been published
[13:43] <scott-work> i was concerned that i did not speak to her in a timely fashion and the image had been published, apparently i did and it didn't :)
[13:44] <scott-work> i was quite surprised when she PM'ed me stated she had read the meeting logs and saw my comments regarding this and was concerned if she had done the correct thing
[13:44] <scott-work> i assured her that she had
[13:44] <abogani> scott-work: I'm waiting so long that you start to be judicious about your time. If you remember I advise that you a lot of times ;-)
[13:45] <abogani> I have advised
[13:45] <scott-work> abogani: yes, yes, my friend, i remember it very clearly :)  and i do appreciate your concern, i cannot stress enough my appreciation for you
[14:07] <holstein> astraljava: july didnt happen
[14:07] <holstein> i sent out the email late though
[14:19]  * abogani is wondering if UStudio has received requests about -rt kernel.
[14:43] <astraljava> scott-work: Wow! Damn. She's hard-core, _so_ dedicated! :)
[14:44] <astraljava> holstein: Okay, I'm just wondering where I can find the meeting minutes as the site where they should have them has last been updated at the end of June.
[14:44] <holstein> right.. we didnt have a meeting
[14:45] <holstein> i mean, no one came, so i didnt start it
[14:45] <holstein> i didnt do a stub about it...
[14:50] <astraljava> Okay cool, no worries, I was just informed the minutes are there, but the web interface doesn't update.
[14:50] <astraljava> So I gotta ask for them.
[14:50] <holstein> yeah?
[14:51] <holstein> i didnt start the bot, and i didnt grab anything from #ubuntu-meeting
[14:51] <holstein> i think i said 'the meeting is postponed'
[14:51] <holstein> we could grab that
[14:51] <astraljava> Right on. :)
[14:51] <astraljava> No, I don't mean from the July meeting. :D
[14:51] <astraljava> Just from yesterday. :D
[14:52] <holstein> AH... :)
[14:52] <holstein> i see
[14:54] <astraljava> Hehe, that would hilarious. See meeting minutes here: "Meeting postponed". Cheers!
[15:01] <holstein> lol
[15:05] <scott-work> but there was a meeting the holstein chaired for which he did use the bot if you are interested in those as well, astraljava 
[15:05] <scott-work> astraljava: but i do also realize that you are looking for the minutes from the meeting yesterday as well
[15:06] <holstein> astraljava: i can put the channel output in a pastebin if you need...
[16:07] <scott-work> ailo: astraljava: holstein: i feel that our conversations yesterday were powerful, would it be possible to set a time we can get together as discuss plans for the remainder of this release?
[16:07] <holstein> sure
[16:07] <scott-work> and possible discuss the direction of oneiric+1
[16:07] <holstein> how about loosely a daily thing?
[16:07] <holstein> just hang when/if we are around?
[16:08] <scott-work> i would prefer something more organized originally, just to set a loose frame work of what we can reasonably accomplish and agree upon it as a group
[16:08] <holstein> ubuntu 12.04 codename practially panther ;)
[16:08] <scott-work> then i think loose, daily discussion are good :)
[16:08] <scott-work> holstein: i like your other one better
[16:08] <holstein> hehe
[16:09] <astraljava> scott-work: Definitely. We would need a lot of workshop sessions to get everything going. It's too seldom that enough people are here otherwise at the sametime.
[16:09] <astraljava> same time, even
[16:11] <scott-work> i don't think it needs to be a formalized meeting for everyone to attend
[16:12] <scott-work> just the four of us because we are the most active and will be doing the actual work
[16:12] <scott-work> it could be an ad hoc, pickup meeting if we happend to be here at the same time
[16:12] <scott-work> or we could agree on a time and do it
[16:13] <astraljava> That's the thing, we will hardly ever be here at the same time, unless we agree on a date beforehand.
[16:13] <astraljava> But outside of that, we can drop all formalities.
[16:17] <scott-work> maybe we might shoot for three out of the four then and give the fourth notes of the discussion for which he can comment
[16:18] <scott-work> i am very frustrated with the lack of progress and am very motivated to over come obstacles and make progress
[16:22] <astraljava> Exactly. Hell, even 2 would be great. Most days, it's someone shooting some ideas on the channel, and 8 hours later someone +1's.
[17:10] <scott-work> then perhaps we should define a framework to discuss these things on IRC over time
[17:11] <scott-work> maybe we should all mention the top five tasks we feel is imortant to finish this cycle's development, wait a day, comapre the list, decide which ones to attack, prioritize them, and assign responsibility
[20:00] <astraljava> My timeframe would be around 1500 UTC to 2200 UTC, and the things I'd like to be worked on are (in no particular order): 1. lowlatency kernel, 2. package selection (includes everything from seeds to workflow description), 3. user-friendly documentation, 4. contributior-friendly documentation, 5. continuity of the project
[21:47] <ailo> I'm close to a computer usually between 06.00-20.00 UTC
[21:48] <ailo> The rest of the time I might be sleeping
[22:32] <astraljava> Ahh... yeah, on a normal week, my comp.time is usually from around 0500 UTC to that 2200 to 2300 UTC, but this week, I played it safe and gave it a reduced schedule, as we're... you know, busy with two releases due Friday. :D