[10:49] <TheSheep> knome: guess what!
[10:50] <TheSheep> knome: I got myself a cintiq!
[10:50] <knome> TheSheep, what?
[10:50] <knome> cintiq?
[10:50] <TheSheep> 12wx
[10:50] <knome> doesn't ring the bells
[10:50] <TheSheep> a wacom tablet
[10:50] <knome> aha
[10:50] <TheSheep> with a screen
[10:50] <knome> :)
[10:50] <knome> heh
[15:27] <charlie-tca> xubuntu meeting today at 19:00
[15:28] <charlie-tca> I plan to bring up release documentation/checklists
[15:28] <charlie-tca> and blueprints
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Sure would be good to have all concerned with getting a release milestone out there
[15:29] <micahg> charlie-tca: I had no response from mr_pouit over the weekend, so we can discuss seed changes at the meeting
[15:30] <charlie-tca> okay, I think we have discussed before, though. If we can't a response, let's get them done
[15:30] <charlie-tca> We don't really have days to wait now
[15:30] <charlie-tca> so, make the best decision in your mind
[15:31] <charlie-tca> micahg: We only have three days to Feature Freeze now
[15:32] <micahg> well, I'll do an upload tomorrow night or wed then
[16:12] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I apologize if we are stepping on toes here, we really need to get the seeds done.
[16:13] <ochosi> charlie-tca: just wanted to say i'm swamped at work, so i'll more or less off for this week and the next
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Okay, any updates?
[16:23] <GridCube> :) hellp
[16:24] <GridCube> s/hellp/hello
[16:25] <GridCube> charlie-tca: :D i've done a simple condicional format to the "form made sheet" so now if people add "pass" the cell will turn green and if they add "fail" it will turn red :D
[16:27] <GridCube> I still don't know if you want me to edit the form to group tests for particular days
[16:29] <charlie-tca> GridCube: I appreciate all the effort, but I still am not sure we don't want to insist people look first at the spreadsheet. I don't anyone doing the same test everyday, and by looking, you see what has/hasnot been done
[16:30] <GridCube> oh
[16:30] <GridCube> ok
[16:30] <GridCube> :)
[16:30] <GridCube> it was just an idea
[16:30] <charlie-tca> I agree the form is easier to use, but I need to know we are covering all the testing, too
[16:31] <Unit193> I may actually have time today
[16:31] <GridCube> talking about ideas, I am working on the top 10 FAQ but it takes a lot of time to parse all those questions to see those that appear more often, i already have 3, not fully answerd that I think are very common and useful to know
[16:31] <charlie-tca> That's great!
[16:31] <charlie-tca> At least you got a start, right?
[16:32] <GridCube> :) yes
[16:32] <GridCube> want to see what i have?
[16:32] <charlie-tca> sure
[16:32] <charlie-tca> We don't have the website yet, so there is time
[16:34] <GridCube> http://pastebin.com/1eQjA8ve
[16:34] <GridCube> :D
[16:34] <GridCube> i do have to check the answers to see that they are correct
[16:37] <ochosi> charlie-tca: sorry, no real updates this time
[16:37] <ochosi> have a nice meeting everyone!
[16:38] <charlie-tca> Thank you, ochosi 
[16:38] <charlie-tca> GridCube: actually, for compiz, if they have issues after installing, good luck
[16:38] <charlie-tca> We can do very little to help them
[16:38] <GridCube> hahaha
[16:38] <GridCube> yeah
[16:39] <GridCube> but thats not like the thing you want to say, they come to the channel and ask and we say, yeah well it should work,
[16:39] <GridCube> XD
[16:41] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:41] <charlie-tca> I guess you are correct, even if I do like my answer :)
[16:45] <GridCube> I don't think I can get back to my home in time for today's meeting, so thats why i wanted to give you some progress reports :)
[16:51] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will add that to the meeting too.
[16:53] <charlie-tca> look right to me
[17:39] <Unit193> Aww, crap
[17:45] <charlie-tca> why?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, I might have changed the spreadsheet a touch too, this weekend
[17:47] <Unit193> Na, it just wasn't in the topic :P  What did you change? (Doing Live and entire unless you want other)
[17:48] <charlie-tca> that's good
[17:48] <charlie-tca> what wasn't it topic?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> images are working, aren't they?
[17:50] <Unit193> Nothing that matters. Looks like we will be missing a few at this meeting, I should be able :? (The reason I think I can attent is what I don't like)
[17:52] <micahg> do the live CDs have the user list still?
[17:54] <Unit193> I've got "Other" only
[17:54] <charlie-tca> That's the user list, and we won't get Ubuntu in it until they fix lightdm
[17:54] <Unit193> Good luck.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> add them to my "got to go push this again" list
[17:57] <micahg> no, I thought when I added accountsservice that we got the list with Ubuntu in it on the live media
[17:58]  * micahg was about to file a bug to have the dependencies fixed
[17:58] <Unit193> After the test for today, I'll test slim and/or LXDM just to see what they look like :P
[17:59] <charlie-tca> not that one, micahg. We get our usernames now after installing, but for auto-login to the live cd, ubuntu is hard coded to only work for ubuntu sessions
[17:59] <charlie-tca> how about bug 819609
[17:59] <charlie-tca> which is not fixed for anyone except Ubuntu?
[17:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: well, that means we're missing a dependency in the live env I guess
[18:00] <charlie-tca> no, it means we do not start a ubuntu session
[18:00] <charlie-tca> They hard coded lightdm to start a session named ubuntu only
[18:02] <micahg> was just wondering about the user list, not the session
[18:04] <charlie-tca> how about bug 799754
[18:04] <charlie-tca> but a user should not even see a list for live sessions
[18:04] <micahg> still even with the default config, we should have a user list like Ubuntu I would think
[18:05] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu never sees the user list for a live session, because it auto-login working
[18:06] <charlie-tca> We have a user list for installs now
[18:06] <charlie-tca> We just can't have the user Ubuntu in the live cd user list
[18:06] <charlie-tca> because we have no session for it
[18:06] <charlie-tca> Since the only authorized session for live sessions now is Ubuntu, it somewhat limits the rest of us
[18:08] <charlie-tca> micahg: I raised in #ubuntu-desktop
[18:09] <micahg> did anyone call?
[18:10] <charlie-tca> cyphermox will follow up with Robert Ancell
[18:10] <charlie-tca> I will have to keep at them, I guess
[18:19] <Unit193> "Al[pha3 not released" ? 
[18:19] <charlie-tca> correct
[18:19] <Unit193> Alpha3 maybe?
[18:19] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 not released for xubuntu, desktop cd would not allow any installs
[18:20] <charlie-tca> alternate cd would destroy all data on HD if /home is encrypted
[18:20] <charlie-tca> where is that?
[18:20] <Unit193> GDoc
[18:20] <Unit193> s/Al[pha/Alpha/g ?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> okay, I fixed it
[18:22] <charlie-tca> At least I got all the letters in, right?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> one or two extra, maybe, but all the right ones, too
[18:41] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 18 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[18:42] <Unit193> Install seems to be running slower, could just be the connection/computer, hope it's done by then
[18:43] <madnick> Unit193: the alternate cd?
[18:44] <Unit193> Nope, Doesn't really matter as it JUST finished
[18:44] <madnick> :)
[18:44] <charlie-tca> I thought it was a bit slow here, too, now
[18:45] <charlie-tca> Not sure why, but the alternate install is faster then the desktop install
[18:45] <madnick> That was untrue for me, infact the alternate cd recently have taken me ~1½-2 hours
[18:47] <Unit193> Wow... I actually have a user to click.. odd
[18:48] <charlie-tca> micahg: ^  ^  user list is there after the installation
[18:48] <micahg> \o/
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Unit193: pick the second xubuntu session, of course. 
[18:49] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Yep, did that but jockey didn't autoload (Not really anything)
[18:49] <charlie-tca> It didn't?
[18:50] <charlie-tca> it keeps trying to install proprietary drivers for me in a live session
[18:50]  * charlie-tca sees that even in VBox, and then it says there are no drivers
[18:51] <Unit193> I get that too, but there are drivers to get
[18:51] <Unit193> genii-around: Howdy mate
[18:51] <genii-around> Unit193: Figured I'd sit in on a meeting, after checking the agenda :)
[18:51] <Unit193> genii-around: Great time to watch me be an IRC idiot ;)
[18:52] <Unit193> 0_o  The following packages will be REMOVED: synaptic
[18:52] <charlie-tca> Should be easy today, we have a bot again
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Unit193: on a fresh install?
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Is it adding it back again?
[18:53] <micahg> we still install synaptic?
[18:53] <Unit193> charlie-tca: Correct, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:53] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, micahg : we will need synaptic seeded
[18:53] <charlie-tca> micahg: yes
[18:53] <charlie-tca> Synaptic Package Manager
[18:54] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is taking it off the default list, but we are keeping it
[18:54] <charlie-tca> We talked about that a while back in a meeting
[18:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: already a depends, I think it should be a recommends though
[18:54] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit said we would be keeping it when Ubuntu removes it
[18:55] <charlie-tca> They are trying to insist users only use the software center
[18:55] <micahg> right, we've had it seeded for a while
[18:55] <charlie-tca> Then why is it removing it?
[18:55] <micahg> but I think we should drop it to a recommends so it's removable for those people that don't want it
[18:55] <charlie-tca> But updates should not remove it
[18:55] <micahg> that's a good question, something must conflict
[18:56] <micahg> ah, it's been moved to recommends
[18:56] <Unit193> charlie-tca: I'll finish updates, reboot and rerun them
[18:56] <charlie-tca> whether it is depends or recommends, it still not be removed
[18:56] <micahg> no, if it's recommends, it can be removed
[18:56] <charlie-tca> whether it is depends or recommends, it still should *not* be removed by updating
[18:56] <micahg> we just need to find out why and make it stop
[18:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: not true, depends what the apt resolver comes up with
[18:56] <charlie-tca> okay
[18:57] <charlie-tca> it comes up with Ubuntu saying remove it
[18:57] <micahg> recommends can be removed to make a depends work
[18:57] <micahg> Unit193: you still have the upgrade pending?
[18:57] <charlie-tca> Do we need a bug on it?
[18:57] <Unit193> micahg: Running, I'll sudo apt-get install it in a sec
[18:58] <Unit193> *Downloading
[18:58] <micahg> Unit193: hold on, I can give you a command to try
[18:58] <micahg> to show why it wants to remove synaptic
[18:58] <Unit193> ctrl+c the updates or no?
[18:58] <micahg> Unit193: yeah, if it's not installing yet
[18:59] <Unit193> micahg: Got it
[18:59] <micahg> sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true upgrade
[18:59]  * charlie-tca thinks "let's have a meeting", as soon as micahg is ready
[19:00] <micahg> well, there was a new apt uploaded, so synaptic probably just needs a rebuild
[19:00] <charlie-tca> oh, that's right
[19:00] <micahg> ah, already rebuilt
[19:00] <micahg> or at least uploaded
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Might have to give it a day or two to work things out again?
[19:01] <micahg> Unit193: nevermind, I think I can fix this
[19:01] <micahg> charlie-tca: probably, someone will just have to retry builds later
[19:01] <micahg> let's start the meeting
[19:01] <Unit193> micahg: Alright, running as normal I guess...
[19:02] <micahg> Unit193: or wait until synaptic is upgraded :)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Let's have a meeting then
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
[19:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug  8 19:02:31 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
[19:02] <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
[19:02] <charlie-tca> This is the Xubuntu Community Weekly Meeting
[19:03] <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[19:03] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[19:03] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[19:03] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> anyone not here, please speak up?
[19:04] <knome> i'm not here
[19:04] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:04] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:04]  * knome hides
[19:04] <charlie-tca> noted, knome missing 
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Thanks for letting us know
[19:04] <knome> no, i think i am here
[19:04] <ChristopherNG> hey folks first time at this meeting
[19:04]  * knome feels his body
[19:04] <ChristopherNG> really excited
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Welcome, ChristopherNG 
[19:04] <knome> definitely here!
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Great! we are all here now
[19:05]  * micahg still doesn't see mr_pouit 
[19:05] <charlie-tca> I have not had a chance to dig up the info on Xscreensaver
[19:05]  * pleia2 waves
[19:05] <charlie-tca> it was a bad week
[19:05] <charlie-tca>  * GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu - Carried Forward
[19:06] <charlie-tca> GridCube is working on this already. It will done in time for Oneiric's release
[19:06] <charlie-tca> * madnick to look into building a lightdm greeter
[19:06] <knome> o/
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I know this got started
[19:06] <madnick> o/
[19:06] <charlie-tca> go ahead, knome 
[19:07] <knome> will the top 10 be put in the website, and/or any other media?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> yes, it will go on the website
[19:07] <charlie-tca> one more reason for users to go to the website
[19:07] <charlie-tca> but it will be a static list
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Go ahead, madnick 
[19:09] <madnick> Okay, Ive looked into modifying the Unity-greeter for Xubuntu, and I have that running on my machine, but I have not worked more on it
[19:09] <madnick> Because the lightdm deal seems a bit uncertain: bugs/replacement etc
[19:09]  * charlie-tca nods
[19:10] <madnick> Also I would need input on the theme to use as well
[19:10] <madnick> ..
[19:10] <knome> madnick, if you need any assistance on the theme, just ping me
[19:10] <madnick> knome: thank you :)
[19:10] <knome> madnick, we can go it through after the meeting if you want
[19:10] <madnick> that would be awesome :)
[19:10] <knome> good
[19:10] <charlie-tca> (..?)
[19:10] <madnick> ..
[19:11] <charlie-tca> knome ?
[19:11] <charlie-tca> done?
[19:11] <knome> yup
[19:11] <charlie-tca> Thanks for working on that. 
[19:12] <charlie-tca> Yes, there are still several bugs against lightdm that have to get ironed out. I have been talking to quite a few people about that.
[19:12] <charlie-tca>  * GridCube to do comparison chart for gpicview, ristretto, gthumb - Done
[19:13] <charlie-tca> This was added to the gimp comparisons. 
[19:14] <charlie-tca> I think we should go for gthumb here, and just leave gimp alone this cycle. We can replace ristretto with gthumb, get more capability for the users, and still have gimp.
[19:14] <charlie-tca> comments?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:14] <knome> i'm not completely sure that's the best thing to do, but i can live with gimp there
[19:14] <knome> ..
[19:14] <Unit193> Anything that can cycle images
[19:15] <Unit193> ..
[19:15] <knome> in #xfce-dev there was some discussion about new features committed in the ristretto master
[19:15] <charlie-tca> Thank you for the inputs.
[19:15] <knome> ..
[19:16] <charlie-tca> but do we want to keep ristretto and add gthumb? gthumb lets you rotate, crop, resize, etc. on your photos, along with image viewing.
[19:17] <knome> i understand the new features had something to do with rotating. and ristretto *is* an xfce project/app, which is a big plus imo
[19:17] <knome> ..
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Want to investigate it deeper, then, and let us know if it will work as well?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> We just got word that removing synaptic is causing segfaults. If you are running Oneiric, don't remove synaptic without checking in #ubuntu+1 for updates
[19:19] <knome> it's probable that those improvements are not going to be ready for use in oneiric. maybe for the next lts, which means it might be wise to stick with ristretto for now and forget gthumb, since as we are keeping gimp, users have a tool for those actions you listed anyway
[19:19] <knome> ..
[19:19] <micahg> charlie-tca: another week shouldn't matter WRT xubuntu, I'd still file a courtesy FFe, but FFes are more about features in the actual apps
[19:19] <charlie-tca> micahg: go ahead and seed gthumb for oneiric. I will carry forward discussions to look into ristretto again for P
[19:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: drop gthumb?
[19:20] <micahg> oops
[19:20] <micahg> I meant ristretto
[19:20] <knome> o/
[19:20] <charlie-tca> If I keep ristretto in the agenda, we won't forget
[19:20] <charlie-tca> go ahead, knome 
[19:21] <knome> imo it makes no sense to drop ristretto. then it's kind of "harder" to justify taking it back. and i do think we should prefer xfce applications. that's why i'm proposing to stick with ristretto and not seed gthumb, if we are keeping gimp for oneiric.
[19:21] <knome> ..
[19:22] <charlie-tca> It's only harder if it doesn't meet the users needs. 
[19:22] <micahg> charlie-tca: we could just add gthumb to the mix and have viewer, simple editor, advanced editor
[19:23] <charlie-tca> okay, let's do that if we have the space
[19:23] <micahg> yeah, we're good for the moment
[19:23] <knome> sounds good.
[19:23] <charlie-tca> I will still keep ristretto in the old business, to make sure we follow up
[19:24] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:24] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:24] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:24] <charlie-tca> micahg: This is for you today
[19:25] <micahg> new versions of xfce4-screenshooter (1.8.0), midori (0.4.0), xfce4-notifyd (0.2.2) should be sync'd this week
[19:26] <micahg> we dropped epdfview in favor of evince since gnumeric needs evince
[19:26] <micahg> I think that's it
[19:27] <micahg> charlie-tca: you mentioned wanting midori before
[19:27] <charlie-tca> I have given up on pavucontrol for oneiric, I don't know that it is needed
[19:27] <micahg> did you want to seed that as well as a lighter browser
[19:27] <charlie-tca> however, pastebinit need to be added to the defaults
[19:27] <micahg> yeah, I can seed pastebinit when I add gthumb later
[19:27] <charlie-tca> micahg: it was a thought, not an absolute
[19:28] <charlie-tca> as it stands now, should we leave midori out and just try to get things straightened out for beta1 ?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> We don't know how much lightdm will grow yet for derivatives
[19:28] <micahg> k, that's fine then
[19:28] <charlie-tca> we will have a new plymouth, too, that is bigger
[19:29] <micahg> ..
[19:29] <charlie-tca> Any other questions for Packaging and Development?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:30] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:30] <charlie-tca> We did not release Alpha3
[19:30] <charlie-tca> The desktop images would not install and the alternate images destroyed data in /home was encrypted
[19:31] <charlie-tca> We have to try to get things together for beta1
[19:31] <charlie-tca> and, along those lines, does anyone know if we have documentation or checklists for releases?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> It would sure help to have something to guide the decision making
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I see a couple of issues here, that I will bring up in AOB
[19:32] <charlie-tca> Any questions for testing?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> in case of guessing, yes, the images worked monday and failed tuesday, wednesday, thursday
[19:33] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:33] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:34] <charlie-tca> pleia2: your turn, please
[19:34] <pleia2> I don't have anything, but knome has been doing pretty wordpress work
[19:34] <charlie-tca> yay!
[19:34] <knome> http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/
[19:34] <charlie-tca> knome: got an update for us?
[19:34] <knome> the site sports various improvements over what you saw last week
[19:35] <knome> any feedback? comments?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> o/
[19:36] <knome> sure
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Can we darken the light text a bit? both the shaded gray and shaded blue are hard to see
[19:36] <knome> which light text?
[19:36] <charlie-tca> Read more about Xubuntu »
[19:37] <knome> i can look at the text contrasts later today
[19:37] <charlie-tca> everything in that color
[19:37] <knome> sure
[19:37] <knome> some things are deliberately "harder" to see
[19:37] <charlie-tca> I almost missed it here, but it would be better to know if it is just me?
[19:37] <knome> for example, the dates are not so important, but they add a nice touch
[19:37] <charlie-tca> yes, and should be
[19:37] <knome> for me it's clearly visible, but i don't know about others
[19:38] <charlie-tca> for me it's not, can others please comment?
[19:38] <madnick> o/
[19:38] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[19:38] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:38] <charlie-tca> madnick: yes?
[19:38] <madnick> Whilist I can see it, the "RSS feed" and News archive was a bit hard to se
[19:39] <madnick> On a non blank laptop screen
[19:39] <knome> right.
[19:39] <micahg> yeah, that text that charlie-tca mentioned is a little light
[19:40] <knome> is it better now?
[19:40] <charlie-tca> w00t! 100% improved
[19:41] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much
[19:41] <knome> the light gray text should also be darker now
[19:41] <Unit193> I noticed that too
[19:41] <knome> any feedback on the logo? it was something we came up like 5 minutes before the meeting
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Isn't that the same logo we are using?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> no,
[19:42] <knome> yes, it's the same as in plymouth
[19:42] <charlie-tca> it's fuzzy, but I can live with it
[19:42] <knome> i'm waiting for pleia2 to create some screenshots that have a similar ratio to each other, so we can get the chaotic image-size-shuffling end on the frontpage
[19:43] <knome> it's fuzzy because there is blurred stuff, so that it doesn't look too ugly on the background
[19:43] <charlie-tca> It is within the artwork we are using, which makes it work well for me
[19:43] <charlie-tca> ..
[19:43] <madnick> o/
[19:44] <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick 
[19:44] <madnick> The webpage looks really great, and the font is awesome, but what is the fallback font for other OS's?
[19:44] <madnick> I mean, so it looks equally nice for Windows users wanting to get it :)
[19:44] <madnick> ..
[19:44] <knome> sans
[19:45] <knome> i'll probably include "Verdana" before sans
[19:45] <knome> but we're using the google webfonts
[19:45] <knome> so...
[19:45] <knome> afaik you need not to have JS
[19:45] <knome> and not have the ubuntu font
[19:46] <charlie-tca> I think it is looking real nice, myself
[19:47] <charlie-tca> any other questions or comments?
[19:47] <charlie-tca> trying to move along, hate going past an hour
[19:47] <knome> sure
[19:47] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:47] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:48] <charlie-tca> minor updates here, madnick is working on both plymouth and lightdm themes for Xubuntu
[19:48] <madnick> o/
[19:48] <charlie-tca> ochosi and knome  are giving assistance and guidance as needed
[19:48] <charlie-tca> go ahead, madnick 
[19:48] <knome> (and i can give advice, if you only remember to ping me)
[19:48] <madnick> Oh
[19:49] <madnick> Okay, because ochosi and knome told me they are thinking about it, but it was a bit of conflict
[19:49] <knome> we still are in a conflict :P
[19:49] <madnick> okay, so ill wait :P
[19:49] <charlie-tca> They will iron that out
[19:49] <knome> yeah
[19:49] <knome> i agree with ochosi that it is semantically better to have the circle
[19:49] <knome> but it's hard to make work visually with the logo
[19:49] <madnick> okay, just pm me, if you reach a conclusion or want an idea tested on a real machine
[19:50] <knome> sure, i'll do
[19:50] <knome> ochosi will be mostly away for the next too weeks though
[19:50] <madnick> UI freeze the 25th
[19:50] <knome> but i'll come up with something i know he'd approve too
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I like the circle, for what it's worht
[19:50] <charlie-tca> s/worht/worth
[19:51] <charlie-tca> but I only get glimpses, too
[19:51] <charlie-tca> I really having our own really good looking splash screen the most
[19:51] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:51] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:51] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-08-14 at 22:00 UTC
[19:51] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[19:51] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
[19:51] <charlie-tca>   * User Interface Freeze : August 25, 2011
[19:52] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[19:52] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
[19:52] <charlie-tca>   * UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/
[19:52] <charlie-tca> I know, I know. That's a lot at one throw
[19:52] <knome> !pastebin | charlie-tca 
[19:52] <charlie-tca> any questions?
[19:52] <knome> ;)
[19:52] <micahg> nah, for meetings, multiline pastes in context are ok for announcements :)
[19:52] <charlie-tca> meeting notes, preferred not to paste one line at a time this time :)
[19:53] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [19:53] <meetingology> TOPIC: [19:53] <charlie-tca>  * we should try to get the defaults down this week so we can test drive them right 
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Do we have anything to discuss now for defaults?
[19:53] <charlie-tca>  * Release milestone documentation or checklists
[19:54] <charlie-tca> think about what happens if mr_pouit, micahg, ochosi, myself, knome, pleia2 gets hit by a car!
[19:54] <knome> probably bad for the car hitting me
[19:54] <micahg> that would have to be a really fast flying car :)
[19:54] <charlie-tca> Can anyone just "pick it up and get it done"?
[19:54] <knome> cody-somerville!!
[19:54] <charlie-tca> it only takes one of us to drop
[19:55]  * knome hides in the darkest cave
[19:55] <Unit193> astraljav would do it ;)
[19:55] <micahg> jamino will have to come out of retirement :)
[19:55] <charlie-tca> We need to start documenting what needs to happen, and what is happening.
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I think we are doing a good job with the "what is happening" stuff, although we don't do so good updating a team report
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I think we should start a section in the wiki for what needs to happen
[19:56] <charlie-tca> comments?
[19:57] <micahg> sounds like a good idea, ubuntu has a release checklist
[19:57] <charlie-tca> yes, we have "by the seat of our pants" now
[19:57] <charlie-tca> I am willing to start it, but will need some help as it gets going
[19:58] <charlie-tca> I also believe we should start looking towards blueprints for Xubuntu. If we really want Ubuntu to take us seriously, we have to start doing things they expect.
[19:59] <charlie-tca> I propose we examine this stuff, at least. Maybe it won't be reality for P, but it needs to be looked at
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Any other comments/questions/topics?
[19:59] <knome> is the wiki already any faster?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> um, sure ;)
[20:00] <charlie-tca> why wouldn't it be?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> well, I think it is at times
[20:01] <knome> errm, because with canonical, you can't
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Most of the time now, it is faster than last year
[20:01] <knome> even a 486sx is faster than last year
[20:02] <charlie-tca> then the answer is "yes, it is faster" :)
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I believe it is, knome. I have not had to wait 5 minutes to get the agenda to appear for a while
[20:03] <knome> only 4,5 minutes?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> usually just a minute or so
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I think we are under 60 seconds most of the time now
[20:04] <charlie-tca> seriously, it did take 4 to 5 minutes before, and now it is usually under a minute
[20:04]  * astraljava hangs head in shame
[20:04] <charlie-tca> anything else?
[20:04] <charlie-tca> going....
[20:05] <micahg> charlie-tca: I'll have to wait until Wed to upload the new meta, pitti made a change to cups in the platform seed that I have a question about
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for attending this meeting! Your participation is very much appreciated
[20:05] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:05] <charlie-tca> should be making cups no longer a recommended for the desktop packages
[20:06] <charlie-tca> We been trying for a long time to get cups to not install for those without printers
[20:06] <charlie-tca> but, that is going off meeting.
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Let's go back to work
[20:07] <charlie-tca> I will dive into the wiki and try to get something started
[20:07] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu
[20:07] <meetingology> ACTION: charlie-tca to start a release checklist page for Xubuntu
[20:07] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:07] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug  8 20:07:31 2011 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell . (v 0.1.4)
[20:07] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-08-08-19.02.moin.txt
[20:07] <astraljava> Sorry folks, for missing the meeting!
[20:08] <madnick> okay, knome shall we look into the greeter theme? :)
[20:08] <knome> in a sec
[20:08] <madnick> okay
[20:08] <charlie-tca> astraljava: no problem. We just finished
[20:09] <Unit193> Slim only loads Xfce Session
[20:10] <knome> pleia2! screenshots! now!
[20:10] <knome> ;)
[20:11] <charlie-tca> madnick, knome : we are going to try to get the lightdm bugs fixed this week. 
[20:11] <pleia2> knome: I am working!
[20:11] <knome> bah! working!
[20:11] <charlie-tca> And while we are all here, has anyone heard from mr_pouit since about friday?
[20:12] <knome> probably not, can't remember
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Haven't seen any updates on bugs, or anything from him
[20:12] <knome> mmh
[20:12] <knome> maybe just taking a break
[20:13] <charlie-tca> I could see him needing one
[20:14] <micahg> yeah, I hope he's relaxing :), maybe he went to the desktop summit
[20:14] <charlie-tca> micahg: wednesday works for me, and if we have to wait longer, that's fine, too
[20:16] <micahg> k
[20:17] <micahg> also, the new version of xfce4-notifyd might allow us to be co-installable w/ubuntu-desktop again
[20:19] <charlie-tca> That would be nice
[20:21] <knome> madnick, okay, i'm ready. i don't have any ideas ready, but i can answer any questions you might have :)
[20:22] <knome> just added a very slight gradient for the website content area
[20:23] <madnick> okay well, have you seen the theme i developed?
[20:23] <knome> i think i saw an early version
[20:23] <knome> and we agreed that it was weird to align differently, right? :)
[20:23] <charlie-tca> micahg: todays' updates for oneiric - 44 upgraded, 118 newly installed, 39 to remove
[20:24] <charlie-tca> It is installing half of kubuntu
[20:24] <madnick> we sort of did ;) but alot of people liked the unity greeter :P
[20:24] <knome> do we think there could be ANY other way to list the mirrors in the get -page?
[20:24] <madnick> knome: http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/labmachine.jpg
[20:24] <knome> maybe "Europe: link, link, link, link <br />Continent: link, link, link"
[20:25] <knome> mmh
[20:25] <knome> the only thing i'm worried about is the aligning really
[20:26] <madnick> Well thats my problem, Im not sure that theme would work centered, and I dont have any ideas for a centerered theme
[20:26] <madnick> we could do:
[20:26] <madnick> http://www.madnick.se/~madnick/xubuntu/default.png
[20:26] <knome> i don't see why it wouldn't work centered
[20:26] <madnick> knome: if there are several users
[20:26] <madnick> its a scroll thing
[20:26] <knome> how does that fail?
[20:26] <knome> scroll in what sense?
[20:27] <madnick> 2 buttons aligned to the left
[20:27] <charlie-tca> micahg: there's 118 kde packages trying to install 
[20:27] <micahg> charlie-tca: fun :)
[20:27] <madnick> knome: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-o1flLfTEanU/Th3TpoGpcBI/AAAAAAAABFg/oRyhXzQ22RU/s1600/unity+greeter+1.png
[20:27] <madnick> sort of like that :)
[20:28] <charlie-tca> micahg: asked in #kubuntu-devel
[20:29] <knome> madnick, mmh. IMO, that would still work centered. have you tried that?
[20:29] <madnick> knome: i have not :) but now that you say it, i will do it
[20:30] <micahg> charlie-tca: if it were another day, I would test/retry the apt rdepends, but I can't today, someone else needs to do it
[20:31] <charlie-tca> I guess I will wait a day to update. Maybe it will settle down by then
[20:32] <micahg> charlie-tca: if it doesn
[20:32] <micahg> t by tomorrow night, I can try to get it fixed
[20:33] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:33]  * micahg figures mvo wil check in the morning
[20:40] <madnick> knome: its too late too look into centering today (there is about zero documentation on this)
[20:41] <knome> okay
[20:41] <knome> no problem
[20:42] <madnick> remember, if you got an idea for a totally different theme, we can do that instead (atm we are sorta copying ubuntu's look and feel on this..)
[20:56] <knome> mm-hmm
[21:08] <knome> what do you think of this: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=216915076340223799701.0004aa047c07a4e37e5f3&msa=0
[21:10] <madnick> someone found out where i live? :D
[21:10] <knome> no
[21:10] <madnick> oh its mirrors
[21:10] <knome> that's the mirrors
[21:11] <madnick> I thought it was stats over downloaded locations from Geo ip or similar :)
[21:11] <knome> heh
[21:11] <knome> nope
[21:20] <micahg> charlie-tca: thunar-vcs-plugin was just uploaded into Debian, I'm going to sync it over, but do we want it seeded?
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[21:20] <micahg> it's for git and svn ATM
[21:20] <charlie-tca> not familiar enough with it to know
[21:21] <charlie-tca> I don't have enough knowledge of that to know if we seed it or it just gets installed or what?
[21:24] <micahg> well, it's for people that work with svn repos and git repos and allows them to do it through thunar similar to thunar-archive-plugin allowing one to create file archives through thunar
[21:29] <charlie-tca> That's something brand new?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> I don't show it in Xubuntu now
[21:30] <astraljava> micahg: I'd say YEAH WE DO, but then I mostly just use terminal.
[21:31] <micahg> charlie-tca: yes, new plugin
[21:31] <micahg> the archive plugin is in xubuntu now
[21:31] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/08/09/new-xubuntu-website-taster/
[21:31] <knome> aggregating soon enough to planet ubuntu
[21:31] <charlie-tca> If you think we should, seed it
[21:32]  * charlie-tca is not really a developer, he doesn't even play one
[21:32] <knome> feel free to comment the post, maybe that'll inspire others to do the same
[21:33] <micahg> charlie-tca: I guess it's not that useful to a casual user
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Okay
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I am going out for a few minutes. Got to walk around
[21:38]  * pleia2 shares knome-blog
[21:45]  * madnick thinks the unity greeter should've had a UI file :<
[21:45] <knome> share it as much as you wish :)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> back
[23:44] <Unit193> Welcome back. The non-change to  GTK3 should be on the website?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> huh?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> "non-change to GTK3"
[23:46] <charlie-tca> ?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> what is that
[23:47] <Unit193> That was rather broken... Should we have any info on when/why Xfce will not be switching to GTK3 yet?
[23:49] <micahg_> Unit193: http://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.10/roadmap
[23:50] <micahg_> Unit193: xubuntu will have GTK3, but the Xfce parts won't be GTK3
[23:50] <Unit193> micahg_: Yep, that's what I pointed to, but we have gotten a few questions on that (Not on the FAQs list though)
[23:50] <charlie-tca> micahg_: word about aisleriot is if we want it to work, we have to fix it
[23:50] <charlie-tca> gnome and Ubuntu have dropped it
[23:50] <micahg_> charlie-tca: lol, after a new upstream release happens, we can upload/reseed
[23:51] <charlie-tca> They said the only new release will  be gtk3 only
[23:51] <micahg_> gnome has dropped it?
[23:51] <Unit193> Anyway, thanks
[23:51] <charlie-tca> Yeah, it won't be in gnome3
[23:51] <micahg_> it's its own source now
[23:51] <charlie-tca> Unit193: what questions?
[23:53] <Unit193> charlie-tca: It's not something that needs to be put on the FAQs, but here was one from today "Will XFCE be ported to GTK3?"
[23:53] <charlie-tca> The answer is "yes, eventually"
[23:53] <charlie-tca> but I see now
[23:55] <Unit193> Mine was "Sometime after 4.10" and that link
[23:55] <charlie-tca> That works too
[23:55] <charlie-tca> To make it easy on Xubuntu users, 12.10 or later