[01:53] hey [01:53] how do I logout of my keyring [02:42] jrmy: ? [02:43] what? [02:52] MJBrune: what do you want? [02:54] jrmy: sorry nvm [03:45] who knows about thunar and how it mounts [04:25] hi, I have an ancient pc with 64mb ram and 600mhz celeron processor, will xubuntu work on it? [04:26] the-ubuntu-user: Nope, you need more RAM, do you happen to have any? [04:27] no, i don't think the pc can take much more ram, i'll buy some if it can [04:27] whats the minimum requirement for xubuntu? [04:28] Personally, with that CPU I think it may work better if you use somthing more lightweight like Lubuntu (Or something else) [04:28] i didn't know about lubuntu, i'll check it out, thanks [04:29] Still would need more ram though [04:32] is there any linux which doesn't require much ram? [04:33] SliTaz or AntiX *may* work on that, but I wouldn't bet money on that [04:34] This is just a tad outside the scope of the channel though:P[D[D [04:34] ok, will try those shortly, thanks [04:34] Check distrowatch too [04:34] So close... [05:23] im feeling really sick [05:23] ive got to go to the store and get my headset replaced because one of the ear plugs stopped working.. [05:24] sounds bad ChristopherNG [05:29] Yeah on the plus side off for 5 days from work [05:30] Got alot to do though, set up my VPS, sort out an old machine with xubuntu, tidy out the flat, etc etc [05:31] computers all day? ChristopherNG [05:32] all week [05:32] its all i do now [05:32] got a bunch of projects in the works [05:32] is that good? [05:33] These are my own projects not for anyone else, I have until september because then university starts back up. [05:33] So ive been gaming and working with computers like a beast for the past few months. [05:34] I made sure I passed all my exams so i had no resits and the entire summer free to do what i want. [05:34] I didnt just pass my exams, I gained a distinction which is really hard to get. [05:34] where you goin to school? [05:35] sept 21st [05:35] where? [05:35] UK [05:35] oh cool. never been there, I go to college is california [05:35] UCLA? USC? [05:35] USC is where I would have loved to have gone [05:36] point loma nazarene university! [05:36] haha [05:36] small school. lol [05:36] Ah kk, Never heard of it tbh [05:36] But its in California so it must be good! [05:37] its in san diego [05:37] Oh great! even better, thats the best city in Cali [05:38] for sure. I live in nor cal. but mover there for school a year ago. i live 100 miles from san franciso [05:38] right now [05:38] where in the uk is school? [05:39] Aberdeen [05:39] North, Very, Very North [05:39] Ie closer to Norway than London [05:40] san diego is syerotypical california. but here in nor cal it snows and rains. and the people are not as dumb and I have never surfed ever [05:40] norway seemes like a really nice place.I have family there [05:42] So your a small town boy in a big city now then? :) [05:49] exactly. and very confused [05:49] haha === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [07:07] hello friends i just installed xubuntu [07:07] shanu: congrats, want a cookie? [07:08] ya sure [07:08] perhaps a golden star? [07:08] no i don't have a safe to keep it :) [07:09] i'm amazed how fast is the install process [07:10] shanu: its a bit longer than I am use to. [07:11] shanu: most Unix's install a bit faster. [07:11] *ubuntu's are quit bloated but are much easier to use/setup [07:11] maybe, i never saw a real unix [07:12] shanu: Never used a Mac 10 machine? [07:12] it's faster than some previous flavours i used [07:12] mac 10,,, no [07:12] shanu: I did the same on saturday [07:12] shanu: never used IPhone, most routers and any BSD? [07:13] IPhone? HTC Ftw! [07:13] i live in india [07:13] So? [07:13] those are all offically unix machines [07:13] i didn't knew that [07:13] shanu you should have bought HTC in Pakistan if you dont get it in India [07:14] ChristopherNG: you should buy people an HTC to try :) [07:14] i was comparing xubuntu with my previous linux distros , that's all [07:14] i used an htc [07:14] shanu: what other distros have you used [07:14] MJBrune: Sure coming right up! would you like a HTC flyer aswell? [07:15] ChristopherNG: I.e. me. You buy me one and Ill develope for the platform :) [07:15] HTC Desire HD > IPhone [07:15] HTC Flyer > Ipad [07:15] ChristopherNG: I don't own any. [07:15] ChristopherNG: I own an old 20 dollar java mobile based phone that I don't care to even attempt to program for [07:16] fedora in college, sabayon in my home desktop [07:16] MJBrune: Your not fashion conscious then? [07:16] ok guys bye, machine is aking for a reboot [07:16] Iphone is more of a fashion accessory like a handbag for most people. [07:16] ChristopherNG: not very much, no. [07:17] meh I figure an IPhone could be nice to have a BSD on my phone [07:17] Apple is guilty of promoting Bimboism [07:17] Bleach blonde hair, small dogs, pink everything, designer handbags and iphones! [07:17] I own an IMac G5 which I bought recently for $100 dollars, the price was a major factor if I bought it or not. [07:18] !offtopic [07:18] #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [07:18] sidenote [07:18] yes we all must idle unless its on topic... ugh no one has asked any questions [07:18] if they had I would answer them [07:18] Yeah folks lets stop talking about how bad apple really is and stick to topic. [07:18] * MJBrune rolls eyes [07:18] now what was the topic? [07:18] Unix's [07:19] MJBrune: but your offtopic gets publicly logged :) [07:19] Sysi: so? [07:19] Sysi: I think its ok to speak a little when the channel is really idle even if it goes off topic a little but thats just my opinion. [07:19] Sysi: I just don't understand why I would ever, in my off time, without pay, not want to relax and talk and if it comes up, help people. [07:19] I know people will disagree [07:20] ChristopherNG: if they do their trolls. [07:20] or really uptight on pointless rules. [07:20] I just think any discussion is better than no discussion [07:20] MJBrune: I'm not saying you should, I'm saying you should do it in other channel [07:20] exactly. [07:20] Sysi: then what is this channel is for? [07:20] support [07:21] !offtopic [07:21] ah, too soon, well, see abowe [07:21] support should be via logged systems with paid professionals [07:21] this is _community_ support [07:22] if you want to discuss about ubuntu channel policies, try #ubuntu-ops [07:22] I don't see them posted [07:22] they really should be in the topic [07:23] isn't that what the topic is for? [07:23] Anyways [07:23] Apple isn't that bad [07:23] does anyone else find that flash player stops working and sometimes you need to close down all the browsers to get it working again? [07:23] and then start it back up, I dont know if thats a known bug. [07:24] 64bit? [07:24] ChristopherNG: what flash are you using? [07:24] flashplugin-nonfree [07:24] 64bit [07:24] I have had that issue with FBSD-9-Current [07:24] MJBrune: also, how would new user dare to ask support questions when channel is flooding with offtopic [07:25] Sysi: really? [07:25] Sysi: cause all new users are 10 years old? [07:25] if they are they shouldn't be on the network. [07:25] MJBrune: it's enough if one of them is [07:25] this network requires people to be 16+ [07:26] ChristopherNG: click on some flash and go to settings, set off hardware acceleration [07:26] folks do you think ubuntu will ever rename itself because of the political connotations the name currently has? [07:27] Sysi: thanks ive just done that, it should solve the problem? [07:27] Will let you know [07:27] ChristopherNG: at least reduce it [07:27] Ty [07:27] flash crashing isn't generally weird.. [07:27] Sysi: why would it reduce it? [07:28] because it's badly working feature (and worked for me) [07:28] are you sure its not just an error via hopeful oppservation? [07:28] or even random chance? [07:29] have you don't any serious testing with it on or off? [07:29] I know you can change it, It was one of the first things that i actually did, but that font and its size is really goofy in a default install of xubuntu.. [07:29] have you done* [07:30] Also I disagree with the notion that xubuntu should come with xchat over irssi because its "easier" [07:30] irssi uses the old skool irc commands [07:30] ChristopherNG: xchat doesn't? [07:30] irssi is just generally better. [07:30] xchat i have never even touched it [07:31] xchat usability and setting up is a lot easier [07:31] looks like a linux version of mIrc with a goofy gui [07:31] I've used irssi for three years, don't try [07:31] Sysi: thats opinion of a very minor group. [07:31] Sysi: dont try what? [07:31] Sysi: I have used it for 5 years at least. [07:31] ChristopherNG: don't try irssi [07:31] i use irssi [07:31] is what he was saying [07:31] I use it too [07:31] its awesome and powerful. [07:32] and rather easy to use. [07:32] "dont try" is a bad message lol! [07:32] very [07:32] "I wanna be a programmer" Sysi: DON'T TRY! [07:32] MJBrune: on 64-bit Ubuntu the flash that is available by packagemanagement is (AFAIK) the 32-bit over a compatibility layer. It's not the most stable around, but there is (again, IIRC) no official linux 64-bit flash, so that's how it is. Turning the hardware acceleration may make things better, if the 32-bit flash is trying to do something smart that the compatibility layer is messing up [07:33] s/Turning the hardware acceleration/Turning the hardware acceleration off/ [07:33] Myrtti: Yeah thats why I was templted to get a 32bit ISO even though i have a 64bit machine. [07:33] Myrtti: oh that makes sense. [07:33] you know there's something wrong with it when opening any video on youtube on new tab crashes [07:33] But I thought it would be better to get the correct iso for the correct hardware [07:33] Sysi: your using flash. [07:34] MJBrune: still worth a shot, not like it would break something [07:34] Sysi: break something? [07:34] ChristopherNG: then again I don't even bother with the package manager version of flash and use the beta Adobe has published, but it's not exactly trouble free solution itself [07:34] Sysi: flash is permabroke [07:35] MJBrune: destroy your computer and kill your cat [07:35] Myrtti: I even tried to get the .rpm version of flash and turn it into a .deb using alien but it doesnt work for a 64bit iso since its designed for 32bit. [07:35] Sysi: only one type of software can destroy your whole computer. [07:35] Alien didnt even try to convert it to a .deb [07:36] ChristopherNG: using alien is generally a bad idea [07:36] brb [07:36] MJBrune: Yeah lets all use RM with the "*" wildcard! [07:36] rm [07:36] ChristopherNG: doesn't destroy your phyiscal machine [07:36] ChristopherNG: you can try removing flash from repositories and download tar.gz version of flashplayer [07:37] ChristopherNG: then place it to /lib/mozilla/plugins/ or ~/.mozilla/plugins/ [07:37] Sysi: I really, really struggle with .tar.gz files, its different for each one, I would rather get a PPA if there is one out there. [07:37] the only software that will COMPLETELY sink your computer is flashing your bios. [07:37] ChristopherNG: that one is easy, just the binary .so inside [07:37] Not even errorous drivers can destroy your computer. [07:37] MJBrune: or cpuburn if your colling is failing [07:38] *cooling [07:38] Sysi: no, it will auto-shutdown. [07:38] Sysi: ever tried water cooling? [07:38] I would really like to do that [07:38] Sysi: the auto-shutdown because of high temps will save it. [07:39] thus bios flashing is the only harmful thing. [07:39] MJBrune: that can fail too [07:40] Sysi: not if previous damage wasn't caused to it before hand [07:42] ChristopherNG: might be /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ instead [07:54] ... [07:55] hum? [09:06] hi all [09:06] Italian online?? [09:06] !it [09:06] Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [09:06] ok man [09:06] thank you [09:06] good luck === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [09:29] hey! im running 10.10 and my computer will not reboot. It will shutdown just fine, however will not reboot [09:31] philipballew strange thing [09:31] did you try in terminal sudo reboot? [09:33] philipballew: does it just shut down or does it hang to something weird state? [09:34] to shutdown type in terminal sudo halt [09:38] how can I substitute the thunar desktop with nautilus-desktop? [09:40] SaaMmY: just start nautilus, it will replace xfdesktop [09:41] it does not [09:41] I have to delete from autostart file cfg the xfdesktop [09:41] that is [09:41] and then I will have nautilus-desktop [09:41] hey SaaMmY [09:41] settings->sessions and startup [09:41] how to delete that from autostart [09:42] let me check [09:42] except that xfdesktop is not there [09:42] i type sudo shutdown -h now and it shuts down fine [09:42] because it is started automatically by xfce4-session [09:42] there is no xfdesktop in session and startup [09:42] but sudo reboot does nothing [09:42] nor the reboot button [09:43] SaaMmY: but you can put nautilus-desktop there [09:43] philipballew: what? [09:43] ok [09:43] im running thunar [09:44] philipballew: what sort of output do you get on sudo reboot? [09:44] it goes to where it says will now reboot at the bottom of the list of things its doing. the rest say ok next to them. but will now restart just sits there and i have to hold the button [09:45] I posted in the forms to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11130504#post11130504 [09:46] philipballew: did you add any special options to you kernel? [09:46] nope [09:46] your kernel [09:46] like noacpi or something [09:46] uname -r sayd 2.6.38-generic [09:46] philipballew: do reboot -p [09:46] is this an old computer? [09:46] philipballew: this will attempt to shut off a computer [09:46] TheSheep, hum... 5 years [09:46] xp era [09:46] TheSheep: old has nothing to do with it. [09:47] MJBrune: it does, if it's more than 9 years [09:47] MJBrune: then it has acpid support disabled in kernel [09:47] TheSheep: no it doesn't, my 233 supported acpid support. [09:48] MJBrune: at least for some motherboards [09:48] TheSheep: duh, you cant be sure. [09:48] i issued -p [09:48] MJBrune: I had this problem with an old pentium [09:48] مرحبا بكم فى قناة مجتمع لينكس العربي [09:48] so far it has not restarted [09:48] !ar | ChristopherNG [09:48] ChristopherNG: La comunidad local de Argentina se puede encontrar en #ubuntu-ar y en su canal de offtopic: #ubuntu-ar-cafe [09:48] sorry wrong fonr [09:48] hmm [09:48] philipballew: what has it shown? [09:48] google translate is needed haha [09:49] ChristopherNG: I didn't know you can RTL on IRC %) [09:49] its asking all prossess to terminate. i can take a picture of the screen and post it online easily [09:49] I wasnt sure either [09:49] philipballew: check /var/log/messages and stuff like that [09:49] ok, i had to hold it down. ill see what var says [09:50] some standard output might be there [09:51] I really dont like the way that xubuntu lists and shows files when you mount a new drive. [09:51] im trying to play around with it. [09:53] ChristopherNG: you can disable automounting [09:53] nothing readeable by me [09:53] * philipballew needs to understand the kernal better [09:53] ChristopherNG: thunar->edit->preferences->advanced->configure [09:55] TheSheep: Im actually there now it just gives options of auto mount or to switch it off, cant see anything for icons. [09:55] ChristopherNG: icons? [09:56] I think it comes under the side panel tab there is the icon size option.. [09:56] edit -> prefs -> advanced -> configure -> side panel -> icon size [09:57] that's just how it displays the side pane icons [09:57] tbh alot of this is mostly the goofy font that comes with xubuntu...what the standard one with ubuntu? [09:57] it's just looks [09:57] i really dont like this font [09:57] "droid" i set it to size 8 but its not just the size is the font itself. [09:57] huh? I think xubuntu comes with the same font as ubuntu [09:58] DejaVu Sans [09:58] kk let me see [09:58] droid is a good font too [09:58] can you show me a screenshot of what is wrong? [09:59] there is nothing "wrong" per se, I just dont like the font [10:00] hmm, if i change the font on the terminal it will only change the font displayed in the terminal and not the rest of the os right? [10:00] so where can i find the "main" place to change the font for the whole os.. [10:00] im still trying to find my way around xfce a little. [10:06] no one know? [10:07] settings → appearance [10:07] duh! i need to get my eyes tested! lol [10:07] remember only been on xfce for 2 days [10:17] wtf! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHv3qO_Y8kk [10:17] LOL! [10:31] hello all [10:32] hello [10:46] ylläri [10:46] umm [10:46] wrong channel [10:57] TheSheep I am not able to make nautilus-desktop start as autorun [10:57] I don't find the autorun [10:57] SaaMmY: settings->sessions and startup [10:57] and however I have tried with save the session but it does not work [10:57] SaaMmY: second tab [10:57] I know it [10:57] there is a "+ Add" button there [10:58] nothing to do I wish to find some script which finds for me the PID of xfdesktop and kill it in startup [10:58] SaaMmY: 'killall xfdesktop' [10:58] I know TheSheep but which thing should I add if there is no nautilus-desktop [10:58] I don't have sound [10:59] nice TheSheep [10:59] can someone provide some sound troubleshooting [10:59] link? [10:59] thank [10:59] SaaMmY: or even better, 'xfdesktop --quit' [10:59] New to Xubuntu and Linux [10:59] yes [10:59] !audio | gigenieks [10:59] yes [10:59] gigenieks: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [10:59] huh? [11:00] "!audio" ? [11:00] you asked for sound troubleshooting links [11:00] gigenieks: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [11:01] ahh.. I found that already [11:01] but there is SO MUCH info [11:01] don't know where to start... [11:01] gigenieks: lets start at the beginning [11:01] gigenieks: how do you test your sound? [11:02] by playing mp3 / flac / movie [11:02] and I tried some command from above link [11:02] aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav [11:03] this [11:03] silence [11:03] ok [11:03] try installing pavucontrol [11:03] sec [11:03] will give link to my motherboard [11:03] open a terminal and try this command: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp [11:03] I have internal sound [11:04] TheSheep it worked but there is a speed trouble... it starts like nautilus... then as thunar... then like nautilus again now like thunar and now again for my add in session and startup it starts definately nautilus [11:04] internal? [11:04] that's crazy [11:04] integraded soundcard I guess [11:04] I wish to get out within thunar [11:04] yes I ment integrated sound card [11:05] something like removeall thunar [11:05] http://www.biostar-usa.com/app/en-us/mb/content.php?S_ID=252 [11:05] wtf [11:05] this is my MB [11:05] lol [11:05] Permission denied [11:05] ubottu: tell SaaMmY about lol [11:05] SaaMmY, please see my private message [11:06] for that earlier command Sheep [11:06] will I have to do with sudo? [11:06] gigenieks: yeah, and to stop press ctrl+c [11:06] gigenieks: after you've fiddled with pavucontrol, check that you have everything turned up in alsamixer (run that in terminal) [11:07] Sysi is bot? [11:07] no [11:07] sorry :D [11:07] I am trying to remove all thunar sorry for my bad and useless speech [11:08] SaaMmY: you could try asking at #xfce [11:08] SaaMmY: or at #thunar [11:08] nono it's fine [11:08] SaaMmY: because I have no more ideas [11:08] doesn't matter [11:08] thank you however [11:08] Permission denied [11:08] sudo or not sudo [11:08] that's quaint [11:08] aaa [11:08] gigenieks: do 'sudo -i' and then try that command [11:09] Sysi: everything is turned on [11:09] without sude then [11:09] i typed alsa mixer in terminal [11:09] i tried without [11:09] already [11:09] gigenieks: do it after sudo -i [11:09] gigenieks: that's like su, makes you a root in that terminal [11:10] also, make sure your user is in the 'audio' group [11:10] I have only 1 user [11:10] freshly installed [11:10] Xubuntu [11:10]