| === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk | ||
| danilos | gmb, fwiw, I've set-up a cronjob on my server for lp2kanban, to run at 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour | 08:37 |
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| danilos | gmb, so if you planned to do that, no need to bother now :) | 08:37 |
| gmb | danilos: Ah, perfect. I started on that last night, but Python kept reporting a syntax error in kanban.py; I was too tired to fix it there and then. | 08:38 |
| danilos | gmb, interestingly, I've seen that too (and it was, but I wonder why it worked for me: I've used a dict with no values, and it seems that works with some versions of python) | 08:38 |
| danilos | gmb, like 2.7 instead of 2.6 | 08:38 |
| gmb | danilos: Ah, that'll be it; my server is running Lucid. | 08:39 |
| danilos | gmb, (my server is lucid as well :)) | 08:39 |
| gmb | Hmm... | 08:39 |
| danilos | I still get test failures on lucid because TestCase has no assertIs, but that should be easy to fix | 08:39 |
| gmb | danilos: Are you running Lucid with python 2.7? Mine's running whatever the stock python is for Lucid... 2.6.5 I thnk | 08:39 |
| danilos | gmb, what I meant was, I've seen it on lucid but not on my dev machine which has 2.7 | 08:39 |
| gmb | Ah, okay. | 08:40 |
| gmb | That'll be it then :) | 08:40 |
| danilos | yep | 08:40 |
| bac | good morning | 11:30 |
| bac | gmb has the rioting reached lancaster yet/ | 11:31 |
| bac | hi gary_poster | 11:45 |
| gary_poster | hey bac | 11:46 |
| bac | gary_poster: can we skype for a sec when you get settled? | 11:46 |
| gary_poster | sure bac. maybe in 10? | 11:46 |
| bac | gary_poster: yep, just ring me | 11:47 |
| gary_poster | cool will do | 11:47 |
| gary_poster | https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging | 12:00 |
| gary_poster | Tracing SQL statements through STORM | 12:00 |
| danilos | gary_poster, hi, fyi, I've set up a cronjob for lp2kanban to run on my server on 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour (so every 20 mins, and hopefully just before the daily call since a run takes up to 25s) | 12:03 |
| gary_poster | danilos, cool. are you using the robot's credentials? | 12:06 |
| danilos | gary_poster, nope, I don't know what the password is | 12:06 |
| danilos | gary_poster, I'd be happy to use them, though | 12:07 |
| gmb | bac: Nope. Some trouble in Liverpool and Manchester but nothing up here. I think we're too small to have much in the way of bother. Preston, about 20 miles south, might be at risk though. | 12:13 |
| gary_poster | gmb, I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't quite understood what the riot was *about*. Was there in fact a cause, or was it just youthful exuberance turned sour? | 12:16 |
| gary_poster | ah | 12:17 |
| * gary_poster had not sufficiently googled | 12:17 | |
| gary_poster | "following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred." | 12:18 |
| gmb | gary_poster: Yes, the current rumours are that only police bullets were found afterwards; the police had said that he fired first. | 12:19 |
| gmb | No-one really trusts the met all that much these days. | 12:19 |
| gary_poster | I see :-( | 12:19 |
| gary_poster | So, kind of protests against the feeling of an inceased police state, then? | 12:19 |
| gary_poster | increased | 12:20 |
| gmb | gary_poster: Well, it started as protests, then it got out of hand. | 12:20 |
| gmb | The problem is that a non-white person in London can expect to be stopped and searched by the police up to 3 times a day. | 12:20 |
| gary_poster | yeah, more than a little | 12:20 |
| gary_poster | wow | 12:20 |
| gmb | And these are pretty deprived areas, with all the recent public sector cuts having an impact on community centres and so on. | 12:21 |
| gmb | So the youths - already disaffected at best - have nowhere to go but the streets. | 12:21 |
| gary_poster | I see. | 12:22 |
| gary_poster | bac benji danilos gmb: I am still office-less, but I planned ahead and am not headset-less. skype in 4. | 12:26 |
| bac | k | 12:26 |
| gmb | gary_poster: Okiedoke. | 12:26 |
| === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha | ||
| danilos | gary_poster, I used your done-done ++profile++ card (no "sync:" metadata) to test that the autosync works, hope you don't mind the history metadata getting polluted like that :) | 12:57 |
| gary_poster | cool danilos :-) | 13:07 |
| gary_poster | benji: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/08/debug-languages-on-javascript-vm cool :-) | 13:52 |
| benji | wow, that's something else | 13:52 |
| benji | that's very cool, I foresee a flood of JS-targeted languages in the near future | 13:54 |
| gary_poster | :-) | 13:56 |
| gary_poster | benji, had you seen ClojureScript already? | 13:57 |
| benji | yep | 13:57 |
| benji | I'm contemplating PythonScript ;) | 13:57 |
| danilos | benji, +1 on PythonScript, if that means Python which compiles to JavaScript :) | 13:59 |
| gary_poster | PyPy, yeah? | 14:08 |
| benji | actually, PyPy has quietly stopped talking about the JS backend and removed all references to it | 14:18 |
| benji | I've considered resurecting a crazy thing I worked on a couple of years ago that was just Python syntax on top of JS, a lot like CoffeeScript. | 14:19 |
| benji | If we're really serious about true Pyhton to JS compilers, there are at least two real projects we could use today: pyjamas and another one I can't remember the name of. | 14:20 |
| gary_poster | Personally, I'm not serious about it. I'd prefer a language closer to JS. http://pypy.org/features.html | 14:22 |
| gary_poster | at the bottom mentions JS | 14:22 |
| benji | ooh, you're right; it seems the JS backend has had a resurgence | 14:52 |
| benji | maybe my Py-flavored-JS idea wouldn't be too bad then. Of course, at that point people might as well use CoffeeScript. | 14:53 |
| gary_poster | CHR...which is good, because my optimization efforts currently feel like I'm pushing against a brick wall. :-/ | 15:00 |
| gary_poster | danilos, should I be concerned that we have translation imports that are from Aug 4, or is that normal? | 15:05 |
| danilos | gary_poster, email from mrevell to maintainers should have gone out today, and I want them to start picking it up themselves | 15:05 |
| danilos | gary_poster, basically, I haven't removed it from CHR yet just so we watch it | 15:06 |
| gary_poster | danilos, ah cool! is it time to remove the task from CHR then? ah ok | 15:06 |
| danilos | gary_poster, we can perhaps start emailing people | 15:06 |
| danilos | gary_poster, but I wanted the global announcement to go out first | 15:06 |
| gary_poster | danilos makes sense thanks | 15:10 |
| * gmb -> afk for the evening. Here's hoping no more of the country ends up on fire tonight. I suspect it will, though. | 17:00 | |
| bac | hey gary_poster, this works well if you want more granularity turning sql tracing on/off | 18:04 |
| bac | from storm.tracer import get_tracers | 18:04 |
| bac | get_tracers()[0]._debug_sql = True | 18:04 |
| gary_poster | bac, can you turn the traceback stuff on that way too? | 18:04 |
| gary_poster | bac, fwiw, if misery loves company, my optimization bug is kicking my rear atm ;-) | 18:05 |
| bac | yep | 18:05 |
| gary_poster | cool bac. I suggest (request, selfishly) that you add that to Debugging on the wiki | 18:05 |
| bac | gary_poster: i'm going to...if only to help me the next time i need to do it | 18:06 |
| gary_poster | yeah | 18:06 |
| bac | gary_poster: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging updated | 18:12 |
| gary_poster | great, thanks bac | 18:12 |
| bac | hey benji, would you have any time this afternoon to give some of my changes a once-over to see if you can spot anything obviously stupid i've done? | 19:04 |
| benji | bac: sure; I'll ping you when I get done with CHR (should be pretty soon) | 19:04 |
| bac | cool | 19:04 |
| gary_poster | bac, any success, or pretty much as this morning? | 19:05 |
| bac | gary_poster: nothing new. :( | 19:05 |
| gary_poster | bac, ok. :-/ FWIW, my day has largely been a bust too. :-( | 19:06 |
| bac | gary_poster: maybe we should trade | 19:06 |
| bac | or go out and set something on fire | 19:06 |
| benji | heh | 19:06 |
| gary_poster | bac, heh, or collaborate, yeah. ooh, collaborate on fire, yes! | 19:06 |
| bac | hey, that's what the rioters have been doing. technology driven flammable collaboration | 19:07 |
| gary_poster | true | 19:07 |
| benji | bac: I have one question left and I can't answer it, so I'm leaving it for you and so I can help you now :P | 19:22 |
| bac | benji: hey that's quite a trade | 19:22 |
| benji | heh | 19:22 |
| bac | benji: skype | 19:23 |
| benji | I'm selfless individual. | 19:23 |
| benji | k | 19:23 |
| bac | benji: lp:~bac/launchpad/bug-813322-2 | 19:24 |
| gary_poster | fwiw bac and benji, I'm in favor of full-on pair programming if that makes sense. I know I may need it. :-P | 19:27 |
| bac | gary_poster: ack | 19:30 |
| gary_poster | :-D | 19:30 |
| gary_poster | uh, that smiley was an odd choice. don't mind me. | 19:31 |
| benji | bac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662143/ | 19:31 |
| * gary_poster goes to remedial smiley course | 19:31 | |
| * bac walks the dog | 19:36 | |
| benji | （＾_＾） | 19:38 |
| gary_poster | looks Japanese | 19:38 |
| benji | it is | 19:38 |
| gary_poster | ...well there you go then... | 19:38 |
| benji | the Japanese have a large set of smileys, some quite odd | 19:38 |
| gary_poster | emoji or something like that, yeah? | 19:39 |
| benji | I hope life never gets so bad I need to use this one to express how I feel: ＿|￣|○ | 19:39 |
| gary_poster | heh | 19:39 |
| gary_poster | that's throwing up? | 19:39 |
| gary_poster | very creative at least | 19:39 |
| benji | not quite throwing up, more like "beaten down" | 19:40 |
| gary_poster | ah ok | 19:40 |
| benji | wow, someone put a lot of effort into cataloging them: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/body.html | 19:41 |
| gary_poster | I don't quite understand all of them, but "Dance/Sing" made me smile | 19:43 |
| benji | heh | 19:44 |
| benji | yeah, several seem to incorporate words | 19:45 |
| * bac -> chr | 20:05 | |
| bac | benji: did you see the reply to feedback from the guy you helped? "What is Launchpad?" I marked it 'resolved' with no further engaging of him. | 20:15 |
| gary_poster | bac, heh, can I have a link? | 20:15 |
| bac | gary_poster: it's on RT. not sure how to find it now | 20:15 |
| benji | heh; seems like an appropriate response | 20:16 |
| gary_poster | bac, s'ok nm | 20:16 |
| bac | gary_poster: you can have a link to this though: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167455 | 20:17 |
| bac | it isn't even friday | 20:17 |
| gary_poster | bac, lol! | 20:17 |
| benji | pfft, that's hilarious | 20:17 |
| gary_poster | Canonical tech is the new warthogs | 20:21 |
| gary_poster | tha's probably not fair | 20:22 |
| gary_poster | but there's something to it | 20:22 |
| bac | this is a time zone: Asia/Jerusalem ? | 20:54 |
| bac | benji, gary_poster: did either of you write this: https://launchpad.net/~amichai2/+reviewaccount | 20:57 |
| bac | speaking of the white board | 20:57 |
| gary_poster | I remember amichai vaguely, might be me. Looking | 20:57 |
| benji | bac: not I | 20:57 |
| bac | +1 on henning's suggestion to put a date and name for all whiteboard entries | 20:58 |
| benji | the wording looks Gary-onic | 20:58 |
| gary_poster | :-) yeah. bac, me. sorry, for not being clear with time/person | 20:58 |
| bac | his account is the one komputes mentioned | 20:58 |
| bac | i'm not sure what to do | 20:58 |
| gary_poster | komputes | 20:58 |
| bac | gary_poster: was it today-ish | 20:58 |
| gary_poster | bac, no long time ago | 20:59 |
| gary_poster | month or two or three | 20:59 |
| bac | oh, ok | 20:59 |
| bac | well it is happening again and i already contacted him | 20:59 |
| gary_poster | bac, the situation with email completely sucks | 20:59 |
| bac | yep | 20:59 |
| gary_poster | we accept spoofed mail no problem | 20:59 |
| gary_poster | I have RTs in about this | 21:00 |
| gary_poster | but they are not high priority | 21:00 |
| bac | so i should reassign this and future questions to elmo? | 21:00 |
| gary_poster | heh | 21:00 |
| gary_poster | I think maybe we can say something like "at this time, Launchpad has no defense against spoofed email other than manual intervention. RTs X and Y can improve this in the future." | 21:01 |
| gary_poster | Where the second sentence is for canonical employees | 21:01 |
| gary_poster | Lemme get the RTs for the heck of it. | 21:01 |
| bac | benji: was this the question that stumped you? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167457 | 21:02 |
| benji | bac: nope, I think I can find it... | 21:02 |
| benji | bac: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167428 | 21:03 |
| bac | oh, that should be easy | 21:04 |
| bac | and those projects are run by a group here in town | 21:04 |
| gary_poster | RT 46019 and RT 46021 | 21:04 |
| bac | gary_poster: where do you propose putting that? in the CHR wiki? | 21:04 |
| gary_poster | bac, I dunno, I was hoping you'd have some bright ideas. I've thought about complaining at the list a couple of times, pointing out the RTs, but stopped because I didn't see the point. Maybe the right thing to do is to give the information to mrevell, ask him to formulate a FAQ that doesn't sound too bad, and tell devs about it, so we all say the same thing? | 21:06 |
| bac | sounds good. i have no bright ideas | 21:06 |
| bac | see y'all tomorrow | 21:10 |
| * bac -> ocean | 21:10 | |
| gary_poster | bye! | 21:10 |
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