[08:37] <danilos> gmb, fwiw, I've set-up a cronjob on my server for lp2kanban, to run at 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour
[08:37] <danilos> gmb, so if you planned to do that, no need to bother now :)
[08:38] <gmb> danilos: Ah, perfect. I started on that last night, but Python kept reporting a syntax error in kanban.py; I was too tired to fix it there and then.
[08:38] <danilos> gmb, interestingly, I've seen that too (and it was, but I wonder why it worked for me: I've used a dict with no values, and it seems that works with some versions of python)
[08:38] <danilos> gmb, like 2.7 instead of 2.6
[08:39] <gmb> danilos: Ah, that'll be it; my server is running Lucid.
[08:39] <danilos> gmb, (my server is lucid as well :))
[08:39] <gmb> Hmm...
[08:39] <danilos> I still get test failures on lucid because TestCase has no assertIs, but that should be easy to fix
[08:39] <gmb> danilos: Are you running Lucid with python 2.7? Mine's running whatever the stock python is for Lucid... 2.6.5 I thnk
[08:39] <danilos> gmb, what I meant was, I've seen it on lucid but not on my dev machine which has 2.7
[08:40] <gmb> Ah, okay.
[08:40] <gmb> That'll be it then :)
[08:40] <danilos> yep
[11:30] <bac> good morning
[11:31] <bac> gmb has the rioting reached lancaster yet/
[11:45] <bac> hi gary_poster
[11:46] <gary_poster> hey bac
[11:46] <bac> gary_poster: can we skype for a sec when you get settled?
[11:46] <gary_poster> sure bac.  maybe in 10?
[11:47] <bac> gary_poster: yep, just ring me
[11:47] <gary_poster> cool will do
[12:00] <gary_poster> https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging
[12:00] <gary_poster> Tracing SQL statements through STORM
[12:03] <danilos> gary_poster, hi, fyi, I've set up a cronjob for lp2kanban to run on my server on 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour (so every 20 mins, and hopefully just before the daily call since a run takes up to 25s)
[12:06] <gary_poster> danilos, cool.  are you using the robot's credentials?
[12:06] <danilos> gary_poster, nope, I don't know what the password is
[12:07] <danilos> gary_poster, I'd be happy to use them, though
[12:13] <gmb> bac: Nope. Some trouble in Liverpool and Manchester but nothing up here. I think we're too small to have much in the way of bother. Preston, about 20 miles south, might be at risk though.
[12:16] <gary_poster> gmb, I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't quite understood what the riot was *about*.  Was there in fact a cause, or was it just youthful exuberance turned sour?
[12:17] <gary_poster> ah
[12:17]  * gary_poster had not sufficiently googled
[12:18] <gary_poster> "following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred."
[12:19] <gmb> gary_poster: Yes, the current rumours are that only police bullets were found afterwards; the police had said that he fired first.
[12:19] <gmb> No-one really trusts the met all that much these days.
[12:19] <gary_poster> I see :-(
[12:19] <gary_poster> So, kind of protests against the feeling of an inceased police state, then?
[12:20] <gary_poster> increased
[12:20] <gmb> gary_poster: Well, it started as protests, then it got out of hand.
[12:20] <gmb> The problem is that a non-white person in London can expect to be stopped and searched by the police up to 3 times a day.
[12:20] <gary_poster> yeah, more than a little
[12:20] <gary_poster> wow
[12:21] <gmb> And these are pretty deprived areas, with all the recent public sector cuts having an impact on community centres and so on.
[12:21] <gmb> So the youths - already disaffected at best - have nowhere to go but the streets.
[12:22] <gary_poster> I see.
[12:26] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb: I am still office-less, but I planned ahead and am not headset-less.  skype in 4.
[12:26] <bac> k
[12:26] <gmb> gary_poster: Okiedoke.
[12:57] <danilos> gary_poster, I used your done-done ++profile++ card (no "sync:" metadata) to test that the autosync works, hope you don't mind the history metadata getting polluted like that :)
[13:07] <gary_poster> cool danilos :-)
[13:52] <gary_poster> benji: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/08/debug-languages-on-javascript-vm cool :-)
[13:52] <benji> wow, that's something else
[13:54] <benji> that's very cool, I foresee a flood of JS-targeted languages in the near future
[13:56] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:57] <gary_poster> benji, had you seen ClojureScript already?
[13:57] <benji> yep
[13:57] <benji> I'm contemplating PythonScript ;)
[13:59] <danilos> benji, +1 on PythonScript, if that means Python which compiles to JavaScript :)
[14:08] <gary_poster> PyPy, yeah?
[14:18] <benji> actually, PyPy has quietly stopped talking about the JS backend and removed all references to it
[14:19] <benji> I've considered resurecting a crazy thing I worked on a couple of years ago that was just Python syntax on top of JS, a lot like CoffeeScript.
[14:20] <benji> If we're really serious about true Pyhton to JS compilers, there are at least two real projects we could use today: pyjamas and another one I can't remember the name of.
[14:22] <gary_poster> Personally, I'm not serious about it.  I'd prefer a language closer to JS.  http://pypy.org/features.html
[14:22] <gary_poster> at the bottom mentions JS
[14:52] <benji> ooh, you're right; it seems the JS backend has had a resurgence
[14:53] <benji> maybe my Py-flavored-JS idea wouldn't be too bad then.  Of course, at that point people might as well use CoffeeScript.
[15:00] <gary_poster> CHR...which is good, because my optimization efforts currently feel like I'm pushing against a brick wall. :-/
[15:05] <gary_poster> danilos, should I be concerned that we have translation imports that are from Aug 4, or is that normal?
[15:05] <danilos> gary_poster, email from mrevell to maintainers should have gone out today, and I want them to start picking it up themselves
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, basically, I haven't removed it from CHR yet just so we watch it
[15:06] <gary_poster> danilos, ah cool!  is it time to remove the task from CHR then?  ah ok
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, we can perhaps start emailing people
[15:06] <danilos> gary_poster, but I wanted the global announcement to go out first
[15:10] <gary_poster> danilos makes sense thanks
[17:00]  * gmb -> afk for the evening. Here's hoping no more of the country ends up on fire tonight. I suspect it will, though.
[18:04] <bac> hey gary_poster, this works well if you want more granularity turning sql tracing on/off
[18:04] <bac> from storm.tracer import get_tracers
[18:04] <bac> get_tracers()[0]._debug_sql = True
[18:04] <gary_poster> bac, can you turn the traceback stuff on that way too?
[18:05] <gary_poster> bac, fwiw, if misery loves company, my optimization bug is kicking my rear atm ;-)
[18:05] <bac> yep
[18:05] <gary_poster> cool bac.  I suggest (request, selfishly) that you add that to Debugging on the wiki
[18:06] <bac> gary_poster: i'm going to...if only to help me the next time i need to do it
[18:06] <gary_poster> yeah
[18:12] <bac> gary_poster: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging updated
[18:12] <gary_poster> great, thanks bac
[19:04] <bac> hey benji, would you have any time this afternoon to give some of my changes a once-over to see if you can spot anything obviously stupid i've done?
[19:04] <benji> bac: sure; I'll ping you when I get done with CHR (should be pretty soon)
[19:04] <bac> cool
[19:05] <gary_poster> bac, any success, or pretty much as this morning?
[19:05] <bac> gary_poster: nothing new.  :(
[19:06] <gary_poster> bac, ok.  :-/  FWIW, my day has largely been a bust too. :-(
[19:06] <bac> gary_poster: maybe we should trade
[19:06] <bac> or go out and set something on fire
[19:06] <benji> heh
[19:06] <gary_poster> bac, heh, or collaborate, yeah.  ooh, collaborate on fire, yes!
[19:07] <bac> hey, that's what the rioters have been doing.  technology driven flammable collaboration
[19:07] <gary_poster> true
[19:22] <benji> bac: I have one question left and I can't answer it, so I'm leaving it for you and so I can help you now :P
[19:22] <bac> benji: hey that's quite a trade
[19:22] <benji> heh
[19:23] <bac> benji: skype
[19:23] <benji> I'm selfless individual.
[19:23] <benji> k
[19:24] <bac> benji: lp:~bac/launchpad/bug-813322-2
[19:27] <gary_poster> fwiw bac and benji, I'm in favor of full-on pair programming if that makes sense.  I know I may need it. :-P
[19:30] <bac> gary_poster: ack
[19:30] <gary_poster> :-D
[19:31] <gary_poster> uh, that smiley was an odd choice.  don't mind me.
[19:31] <benji> bac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662143/
[19:31]  * gary_poster goes to remedial smiley course
[19:36]  * bac walks the dog
[19:38] <benji> （＾_＾）
[19:38] <gary_poster> looks Japanese
[19:38] <benji> it is
[19:38] <gary_poster> ...well there you go then...
[19:38] <benji> the Japanese have a large set of smileys, some quite odd
[19:39] <gary_poster> emoji or something like that, yeah?
[19:39] <benji> I hope life never gets so bad I need to use this one to express how I feel: ＿|￣|○
[19:39] <gary_poster> heh
[19:39] <gary_poster> that's throwing up?
[19:39] <gary_poster> very creative at least
[19:40] <benji> not quite throwing up, more like "beaten down"
[19:40] <gary_poster> ah ok
[19:41] <benji> wow, someone put a lot of effort into cataloging them: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/body.html
[19:43] <gary_poster> I don't quite understand all of them, but "Dance/Sing" made me smile
[19:44] <benji> heh
[19:45] <benji> yeah, several seem to incorporate words
[20:05]  * bac -> chr
[20:15] <bac> benji: did you see the reply to feedback from the guy you helped?  "What is Launchpad?"  I marked it 'resolved' with no further engaging of him.
[20:15] <gary_poster> bac, heh, can I have a link?
[20:15] <bac> gary_poster: it's on RT.  not sure how to find it now
[20:16] <benji> heh; seems like an appropriate response
[20:16] <gary_poster> bac, s'ok nm
[20:17] <bac> gary_poster: you can have a link to this though:  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167455
[20:17] <bac> it isn't even friday
[20:17] <gary_poster> bac, lol!
[20:17] <benji> pfft, that's hilarious
[20:21] <gary_poster> Canonical tech is the new warthogs
[20:22] <gary_poster> tha's probably not fair
[20:22] <gary_poster> but there's something to it
[20:54] <bac> this is a time zone:  Asia/Jerusalem ?
[20:57] <bac> benji, gary_poster: did either of you write this:  https://launchpad.net/~amichai2/+reviewaccount
[20:57] <bac> speaking of the white board
[20:57] <gary_poster> I remember amichai vaguely, might be me.  Looking
[20:57] <benji> bac: not I
[20:58] <bac> +1 on henning's suggestion to put a date and name for all whiteboard entries
[20:58] <benji> the wording looks Gary-onic
[20:58] <gary_poster> :-) yeah.  bac, me.  sorry, for not being clear with time/person
[20:58] <bac> his account is the one komputes mentioned
[20:58] <bac> i'm not sure what to do
[20:58] <gary_poster> komputes
[20:58] <bac> gary_poster: was it today-ish
[20:59] <gary_poster> bac, no long time ago
[20:59] <gary_poster> month or two or three
[20:59] <bac> oh, ok
[20:59] <bac> well it is happening again and i already contacted him
[20:59] <gary_poster> bac, the situation with email completely sucks
[20:59] <bac> yep
[20:59] <gary_poster> we accept spoofed mail no problem
[21:00] <gary_poster> I have RTs in about this
[21:00] <gary_poster> but they are not high priority
[21:00] <bac> so i should reassign this and future questions to elmo?
[21:00] <gary_poster> heh
[21:01] <gary_poster> I think maybe we can say something like "at this time, Launchpad has no defense against spoofed email other than manual intervention.  RTs X and Y can improve this in the future."
[21:01] <gary_poster> Where the second sentence is for canonical employees
[21:01] <gary_poster> Lemme get the RTs for the heck of it.
[21:02] <bac> benji: was this the question that stumped you?  https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167457
[21:02] <benji> bac: nope, I think I can find it...
[21:03] <benji> bac: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167428
[21:04] <bac> oh, that should be easy
[21:04] <bac> and those projects are run by a group here in town
[21:04] <gary_poster> RT 46019 and RT 46021
[21:04] <bac> gary_poster: where do you propose putting that?  in the CHR wiki?
[21:06] <gary_poster> bac, I dunno, I was hoping you'd have some bright ideas.  I've thought about complaining at the list a couple of times, pointing out the RTs, but stopped because I didn't see the point.  Maybe the right thing to do is to give the information to mrevell, ask him to formulate a FAQ that doesn't sound too bad, and tell devs about it, so we all say the same thing?
[21:06] <bac> sounds good.  i have no bright ideas
[21:10] <bac> see y'all tomorrow
[21:10]  * bac -> ocean
[21:10] <gary_poster> bye!