=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk [08:37] gmb, fwiw, I've set-up a cronjob on my server for lp2kanban, to run at 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour [08:37] gmb, so if you planned to do that, no need to bother now :) [08:38] danilos: Ah, perfect. I started on that last night, but Python kept reporting a syntax error in kanban.py; I was too tired to fix it there and then. [08:38] gmb, interestingly, I've seen that too (and it was, but I wonder why it worked for me: I've used a dict with no values, and it seems that works with some versions of python) [08:38] gmb, like 2.7 instead of 2.6 [08:39] danilos: Ah, that'll be it; my server is running Lucid. [08:39] gmb, (my server is lucid as well :)) [08:39] Hmm... [08:39] I still get test failures on lucid because TestCase has no assertIs, but that should be easy to fix [08:39] danilos: Are you running Lucid with python 2.7? Mine's running whatever the stock python is for Lucid... 2.6.5 I thnk [08:39] gmb, what I meant was, I've seen it on lucid but not on my dev machine which has 2.7 [08:40] Ah, okay. [08:40] That'll be it then :) [08:40] yep [11:30] good morning [11:31] gmb has the rioting reached lancaster yet/ [11:45] hi gary_poster [11:46] hey bac [11:46] gary_poster: can we skype for a sec when you get settled? [11:46] sure bac. maybe in 10? [11:47] gary_poster: yep, just ring me [11:47] cool will do [12:00] https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging [12:00] Tracing SQL statements through STORM [12:03] gary_poster, hi, fyi, I've set up a cronjob for lp2kanban to run on my server on 9, 29 and 49 minutes past the hour (so every 20 mins, and hopefully just before the daily call since a run takes up to 25s) [12:06] danilos, cool. are you using the robot's credentials? [12:06] gary_poster, nope, I don't know what the password is [12:07] gary_poster, I'd be happy to use them, though [12:13] bac: Nope. Some trouble in Liverpool and Manchester but nothing up here. I think we're too small to have much in the way of bother. Preston, about 20 miles south, might be at risk though. [12:16] gmb, I'm embarrassed to say that I haven't quite understood what the riot was *about*. Was there in fact a cause, or was it just youthful exuberance turned sour? [12:17] ah [12:17] * gary_poster had not sufficiently googled [12:18] "following protests over the shooting death by police of a local man, Mark Duggan. Police were arresting him when the shooting occurred." [12:19] gary_poster: Yes, the current rumours are that only police bullets were found afterwards; the police had said that he fired first. [12:19] No-one really trusts the met all that much these days. [12:19] I see :-( [12:19] So, kind of protests against the feeling of an inceased police state, then? [12:20] increased [12:20] gary_poster: Well, it started as protests, then it got out of hand. [12:20] The problem is that a non-white person in London can expect to be stopped and searched by the police up to 3 times a day. [12:20] yeah, more than a little [12:20] wow [12:21] And these are pretty deprived areas, with all the recent public sector cuts having an impact on community centres and so on. [12:21] So the youths - already disaffected at best - have nowhere to go but the streets. [12:22] I see. [12:26] bac benji danilos gmb: I am still office-less, but I planned ahead and am not headset-less. skype in 4. [12:26] k [12:26] gary_poster: Okiedoke. === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [12:57] gary_poster, I used your done-done ++profile++ card (no "sync:" metadata) to test that the autosync works, hope you don't mind the history metadata getting polluted like that :) [13:07] cool danilos :-) [13:52] benji: http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/08/debug-languages-on-javascript-vm cool :-) [13:52] wow, that's something else [13:54] that's very cool, I foresee a flood of JS-targeted languages in the near future [13:56] :-) [13:57] benji, had you seen ClojureScript already? [13:57] yep [13:57] I'm contemplating PythonScript ;) [13:59] benji, +1 on PythonScript, if that means Python which compiles to JavaScript :) [14:08] PyPy, yeah? [14:18] actually, PyPy has quietly stopped talking about the JS backend and removed all references to it [14:19] I've considered resurecting a crazy thing I worked on a couple of years ago that was just Python syntax on top of JS, a lot like CoffeeScript. [14:20] If we're really serious about true Pyhton to JS compilers, there are at least two real projects we could use today: pyjamas and another one I can't remember the name of. [14:22] Personally, I'm not serious about it. I'd prefer a language closer to JS. http://pypy.org/features.html [14:22] at the bottom mentions JS [14:52] ooh, you're right; it seems the JS backend has had a resurgence [14:53] maybe my Py-flavored-JS idea wouldn't be too bad then. Of course, at that point people might as well use CoffeeScript. [15:00] CHR...which is good, because my optimization efforts currently feel like I'm pushing against a brick wall. :-/ [15:05] danilos, should I be concerned that we have translation imports that are from Aug 4, or is that normal? [15:05] gary_poster, email from mrevell to maintainers should have gone out today, and I want them to start picking it up themselves [15:06] gary_poster, basically, I haven't removed it from CHR yet just so we watch it [15:06] danilos, ah cool! is it time to remove the task from CHR then? ah ok [15:06] gary_poster, we can perhaps start emailing people [15:06] gary_poster, but I wanted the global announcement to go out first [15:10] danilos makes sense thanks [17:00] * gmb -> afk for the evening. Here's hoping no more of the country ends up on fire tonight. I suspect it will, though. [18:04] hey gary_poster, this works well if you want more granularity turning sql tracing on/off [18:04] from storm.tracer import get_tracers [18:04] get_tracers()[0]._debug_sql = True [18:04] bac, can you turn the traceback stuff on that way too? [18:05] bac, fwiw, if misery loves company, my optimization bug is kicking my rear atm ;-) [18:05] yep [18:05] cool bac. I suggest (request, selfishly) that you add that to Debugging on the wiki [18:06] gary_poster: i'm going to...if only to help me the next time i need to do it [18:06] yeah [18:12] gary_poster: https://dev.launchpad.net/Debugging updated [18:12] great, thanks bac [19:04] hey benji, would you have any time this afternoon to give some of my changes a once-over to see if you can spot anything obviously stupid i've done? [19:04] bac: sure; I'll ping you when I get done with CHR (should be pretty soon) [19:04] cool [19:05] bac, any success, or pretty much as this morning? [19:05] gary_poster: nothing new. :( [19:06] bac, ok. :-/ FWIW, my day has largely been a bust too. :-( [19:06] gary_poster: maybe we should trade [19:06] or go out and set something on fire [19:06] heh [19:06] bac, heh, or collaborate, yeah. ooh, collaborate on fire, yes! [19:07] hey, that's what the rioters have been doing. technology driven flammable collaboration [19:07] true [19:22] bac: I have one question left and I can't answer it, so I'm leaving it for you and so I can help you now :P [19:22] benji: hey that's quite a trade [19:22] heh [19:23] benji: skype [19:23] I'm selfless individual. [19:23] k [19:24] benji: lp:~bac/launchpad/bug-813322-2 [19:27] fwiw bac and benji, I'm in favor of full-on pair programming if that makes sense. I know I may need it. :-P [19:30] gary_poster: ack [19:30] :-D [19:31] uh, that smiley was an odd choice. don't mind me. [19:31] bac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662143/ [19:31] * gary_poster goes to remedial smiley course [19:36] * bac walks the dog [19:38] （＾_＾） [19:38] looks Japanese [19:38] it is [19:38] ...well there you go then... [19:38] the Japanese have a large set of smileys, some quite odd [19:39] emoji or something like that, yeah? [19:39] I hope life never gets so bad I need to use this one to express how I feel: ＿|￣|○ [19:39] heh [19:39] that's throwing up? [19:39] very creative at least [19:40] not quite throwing up, more like "beaten down" [19:40] ah ok [19:41] wow, someone put a lot of effort into cataloging them: http://club.pep.ne.jp/~hiroette/en/facemarks/body.html [19:43] I don't quite understand all of them, but "Dance/Sing" made me smile [19:44] heh [19:45] yeah, several seem to incorporate words [20:05] * bac -> chr [20:15] benji: did you see the reply to feedback from the guy you helped? "What is Launchpad?" I marked it 'resolved' with no further engaging of him. [20:15] bac, heh, can I have a link? [20:15] gary_poster: it's on RT. not sure how to find it now [20:16] heh; seems like an appropriate response [20:16] bac, s'ok nm [20:17] gary_poster: you can have a link to this though: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167455 [20:17] it isn't even friday [20:17] bac, lol! [20:17] pfft, that's hilarious [20:21] Canonical tech is the new warthogs [20:22] tha's probably not fair [20:22] but there's something to it [20:54] this is a time zone: Asia/Jerusalem ? [20:57] benji, gary_poster: did either of you write this: https://launchpad.net/~amichai2/+reviewaccount [20:57] speaking of the white board [20:57] I remember amichai vaguely, might be me. Looking [20:57] bac: not I [20:58] +1 on henning's suggestion to put a date and name for all whiteboard entries [20:58] the wording looks Gary-onic [20:58] :-) yeah. bac, me. sorry, for not being clear with time/person [20:58] his account is the one komputes mentioned [20:58] i'm not sure what to do [20:58] komputes [20:58] gary_poster: was it today-ish [20:59] bac, no long time ago [20:59] month or two or three [20:59] oh, ok [20:59] well it is happening again and i already contacted him [20:59] bac, the situation with email completely sucks [20:59] yep [20:59] we accept spoofed mail no problem [21:00] I have RTs in about this [21:00] but they are not high priority [21:00] so i should reassign this and future questions to elmo? [21:00] heh [21:01] I think maybe we can say something like "at this time, Launchpad has no defense against spoofed email other than manual intervention. RTs X and Y can improve this in the future." [21:01] Where the second sentence is for canonical employees [21:01] Lemme get the RTs for the heck of it. [21:02] benji: was this the question that stumped you? https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167457 [21:02] bac: nope, I think I can find it... [21:03] bac: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/167428 [21:04] oh, that should be easy [21:04] and those projects are run by a group here in town [21:04] RT 46019 and RT 46021 [21:04] gary_poster: where do you propose putting that? in the CHR wiki? [21:06] bac, I dunno, I was hoping you'd have some bright ideas. I've thought about complaining at the list a couple of times, pointing out the RTs, but stopped because I didn't see the point. Maybe the right thing to do is to give the information to mrevell, ask him to formulate a FAQ that doesn't sound too bad, and tell devs about it, so we all say the same thing? [21:06] sounds good. i have no bright ideas [21:10] see y'all tomorrow [21:10] * bac -> ocean [21:10] bye!