[04:13] <riddler> I remember someone was asking they installed LibreOffice but when they open the program it looks like windows 98'ish, I found a way to integrate it to lubuntu so it has the skin.
[04:14] <riddler> just install the libreoffice-gtk  plugin on synaptic package manager.
[04:38] <Landon> I've had a problem with my Lubuntu install for the past two releases (or more, not sure, but it's been happening since I first installed lubuntu)
[04:38] <Landon> has anyone else here experienced fonts being broken in lxterm?
[04:39] <Landon> lxterminal*
[04:40] <jmarsden> Landon: "broken" is unclear and perhaps subjective... what do you do to lxterminal, and what happens that you are calling "broken" ?
[04:40] <Landon> in the process of taking a screenshot
[04:40] <jmarsden> I can change fonts and font sizes without any obvious issues here...
[04:40] <Landon> basically, bits of the letter/number are missing
[04:41] <jmarsden> I've not seen that, but it could depend on which font and which size you are selecting?
[04:42] <jmarsden> Does it happen to you for all fonts in all sizes?
[04:43] <Landon> (is there no screenshot type utility with lubuntu?)
[04:43] <Landon> let me try switching though
[04:44] <Landon> I was using Bitstream Vera Sans Roman at size 10
[04:44] <phillw> bug 623052
[04:44] <jmarsden> Just specify exactly the steps to reproduce the issue.  You install Lubuntu 11.04.  You log in, you click start -> accessories -> LXterminal.  Then you switch to... OK... I'll try that font...
[04:44] <Landon> switched to Bitstream Vera Serif Roman, but now there's a new set of problems with some letters appearing far apart and some overlapping
[04:44] <phillw> bug 615236
[04:44]  * phillw grrr.....
[04:45] <jmarsden> phillw: Are you typing random bug numbers? :)
[04:45] <phillw> jmarsden: nope, just not lp ones! http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-lxde-maintainers/2011-April/000594.html
[04:46] <Landon> whoops, I mean Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Roman had the missing parts of letters
[04:46] <Landon> the other Bitstream Vera fonts have the spacing/overlap issues though
[04:46] <Unit193> phillw: Like this debian bug 615236
[04:47] <phillw> Unit193: possibly, but there is also a true-type font bug kicking about
[04:47] <phillw> whichj I think has been patched for oneric, but not older (exisiting) variants.
[04:47] <Unit193> phillw: Just giving you the syntax for non-launchpad bugs
[04:49] <jmarsden> Landon: Those fonts do not seem to be in Lubuntu by default.  So your steps to reproduce are missing "install such-and-such" which is a font package that contains them??
[04:50] <Landon> like I said, this has existed on this laptop since 10.10 or 10.04, so I'm not sure what all I've installed
[04:51] <jmarsden> Landon: If you switch to something more standard like Monosapce 10  does everything look acceptable?
[04:51] <Landon> no, same problem
[04:51] <jmarsden> Landon: and again, when reporting bugs it *really* helps to provide a full set of steps to reproduce the issue...
[04:53] <jmarsden> Landon: OK.  It's not something that happens to all Lubuntu installations; so either it relates to your video hardware/drivers or to your specific configuration on your machine, I would guess.
[04:53] <jmarsden> If phillw finds the relevant Truetype bug that might help out, too...
[04:57] <jmarsden> Landon: Do you get this effect if you boot the laptop from an Lubuntu LiveCD and test on that (very basic, standard) Lubuntu ?
[04:58] <Landon> no idea, I won't be able to test that though
[04:58] <jmarsden> You don't have an optical drive??
[04:58] <Landon> not in this town :)
[04:58] <jmarsden> Can you create a live bootable USB stick and boot from that?
[04:59] <Landon> not unless lubuntu fits in 64mb
[05:01] <jmarsden> OK.  Well, you have something to try next time you have access to a bootable CD or an empty 1GB or bigger USB stick :)
[05:01] <Landon> found an older screenshot of it, if you're interested in what the problem looks like
[05:01] <jmarsden> Landon: If you create a new user say landon2 and log in as that new user, do you still get the issue?
[05:02] <Landon> http://imgur.com/mUYEZ
[05:02] <jmarsden> That user would have a nice fresh default configuration...
[05:02] <Landon> ok, let me try that
[05:04] <jmarsden> Your screenshot shows transparency and stuff... that's not a standard Lubuntu configuration as far as I know :)
[05:05] <Landon> yeah, that would have been me playing with unity(?) on the same laptop
[05:06] <Landon> monospace 10 works on a fresh user
[05:06] <jmarsden> Then you misconfigured lxterminal for your real user... are you willing to wipe its config and start over (just lxterminal config, not any other programs)?
[05:06] <Landon> same with bitstream vera sans mono 10
[05:06] <Landon> completely
[05:08] <Landon> ~/.config/lxterminal/ is what I'm looking for?
[05:08] <jmarsden> OK, try rm ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf
[05:08] <jmarsden> and then exit and re-run lxterminal
[05:10] <Landon> well, that worked, but what was the logic behind it?
[05:10] <Landon> the only font related part of that config is the name, right?
[05:10] <jmarsden> You had wrecked your lxterminal config, so kiling it forced lxterminal to regenerate a clean one... that was my logic :)
[05:13] <Landon> awesome, it works, that was the kind of fix I came here looking for
[05:13] <Landon> thanks
[05:13] <jmarsden> You're welcome :)
[05:42] <philipballew> is there a pre-made iso for ppc?
[05:43] <jmarsden> Of Lubuntu?  Not yet, as far as I know.
[05:43] <Unit193> Might be able to install lubuntu-core
[05:44] <philipballew> i see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798792 but if there is a say community made one I would just use that
[05:44] <jmarsden> There's still not even an Alternate i386 ISO for 11.10 Alpha3, which is higher priority than ppc...
[05:44] <bioterror> mac users can use their precious OS X ;)
[05:45] <philipballew> but I got the laptop for free... osx is kinds lame
[05:45] <jmarsden> philipballew: If there is one, it hasn't yet found its way into phillw's collection of Lubuntu ISOs at http://phillw.net/ISOs/
[05:46] <philipballew> if i made a instlation on a ppc laptop I could make an iso pretty easily I think
[05:46] <bioterror> install Debian PPC and some lxde packages
[05:46] <jmarsden> Go for it.  I know someone locally who would be interested in an Lubuntu PPC ISO if one showed up...
[05:47] <bioterror> and get the theme stuff from lubuntu site ;)
[05:47] <philipballew> if phillw needed it I could play around with it
[05:47] <philipballew> maybe get something together
[05:48] <philipballew> get a coupple bug testers to test the iso
[05:48] <Unit193> I have an old G3 that I think I could do a little testing on
[05:48] <philipballew> how hard is it to make an iso
[05:48] <bioterror> Unit193, it's old world mac?
[05:49]  * philipballew likes a challenge\
[05:49] <philipballew> its an ibook
[05:49] <Unit193> bioterror: Not from what I understand
[05:49] <bioterror> Unit193, new world mac = iMac, or PowerMac G3 with the yosemite form factor and newer
[05:49] <bioterror> old world macs are those grey boxes
[05:50] <Unit193> bioterror: Blue and clear white
[05:50] <bioterror> so that's a new world then
[05:50] <bioterror> you dont have to use Mac OS as a boot loader for linux :D
[05:50] <Unit193> Yep, from what I understand
[05:50] <Unit193> yaboot
[05:51] <philipballew> yaboot is what they use
[05:51] <philipballew> ! yaboot
[05:52] <philipballew> nothing...
[05:52] <jmarsden> !yaboot
[05:52] <Unit193> !info yaboot
[05:52] <bioterror> !ppc
[05:53] <Unit193> PPC only and ubot5 doesn't have those repos
[05:53] <jmarsden> philipballew: dpkg knows about it, ubot5 does not:
[05:53] <jmarsden> <dpkg> yaboot is the primary bootloader for New World Apple Macintosh, IBM RS/6000, IBM pSeries and IBM OpenPower machines.  ybin (YaBoot INstaller) installs yaboot on to New World Power Macs (it's akin to /sbin/quik or /sbin/lilo).  ybin can also create dual boot menus for GNU/Linux and Mac OS (X).  HOWTO at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html .  http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/  Not for Old Worlds, ask me about <quik>.
[05:54] <jmarsden> phillw claims I have the power to add new databases to DragonEyes on #lubuntu-offtopic, but I have not tried it yet... would be fun to add the ubot and dpkg factoid data to DragonEyes :)
[05:55] <philipballew> add a bio of yourself to the bot in case someone asks you anything it will say crazy things you do (possibly fictional)
[05:56] <philipballew> jmarsden, asside from an avid linux guru, also .....(insert crazy things that are not true)
[05:56] <philipballew> some channels do that\
[05:58]  * jmarsden thinks he is quite crazy enough without needing to add fictional stuff :)
[05:59]  * philipballew applauds jmarsden personal life accomplishments
[10:07] <apanda_> is there a way to change the defaultbrowser to midori in a central place? (eg for urls in lxterminal)
[11:29] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:30] <bioterror> lubuntu 11.10 alpha 3 farts blood with Intel PRO/Wireless 4965
[12:22] <philipballew> what connection manager does lubuntu use.
[12:23] <philipballew> network manager or wicd?
[12:23] <bioterror> nm-applet
[12:24] <philipballew> alright. so sudo aptitude install nm-applet will install it
[12:25]  * philipballew is setting up a minimal system and building lxde on top
[12:25] <bioterror> if you're not going to use vpn's or mobile phones as modem, go with the wicd
[12:29] <philipballew> alright. ill try it
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[14:27] <KM0201> o/
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/bluetooth.png
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> anyone getting that when running bluetooth-applet ?
[14:27]  * KM0201 looking
[14:28] <KM0201> hmm, i don't do bluetooth
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> happens in all themes too
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> oneiric
[14:28] <KM0201> yeah, my first thought would be a problem with the theme.. but.. if it's on all of them.
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/742398
[14:34] <KM0201> hmm
[14:34] <KM0201> well, i guess that answers tha tquestion.. :)
[14:35] <KM0201> ActionParsnip: did you see #10, that apparently "fixes" the problem?
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> yeah saw that but I'm using english
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> seems weird
[14:36] <KM0201> oh ok
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> I'll just log a bug, it's not earthshattering
[14:37] <KM0201> yeah.
[14:38] <KM0201> "dogs and cats sleeping together.. mass hysteria!"
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> did y'all get this too: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jbkafmnknpfncneoiphgjeoccaibacmp?hc=search&hcp=main
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> makes Chrome integrate better with the blueness in Lubuntu
[14:39] <KM0201> hmm,
[14:39] <KM0201> hadn't tried that
[14:39] <KM0201> not bad
[14:40] <KM0201> i'm not usually much of a 'themer' though
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Just thought I'd snoop around. Had some spare time
[14:41] <KM0201> yeah
[14:41] <KM0201> i haven't tried 11.10 yet
[14:41] <KM0201> how's it coming along?
[14:42] <KM0201> been so busy w/ NAS problems
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> Seems fine here but my hardware is super linux friendly :)
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> had the old slow mouse issue in the Alpha 2 which has gone so all is good
[14:45] <KM0201> hmm, good
[14:45] <KM0201> and yeah, my hardware is all linux friendly as well.
[14:45] <KM0201> i was a bit concerned buying a enw laptop a few weeks ago, but.. i did some research, and came away perfect.. everything "just works"
[14:46] <KM0201> webcam, sound, mic, 3D, etc.  can't complain really
[15:05] <KM0201> is there a way to substitute thunar, for PCMan?
[15:06] <KM0201> i know w/ gnome, its pretty easy.. just not sure how to do it w/ lxde
[17:58] <phillw> jmarsden: DE is still poorly, my fix of the database did not work :(
[22:57] <KM0201> o/
[23:42] <silverarrow> anyone who knows about grub errors?
[23:43] <KM0201> grub is such a pita.. what is the error?
[23:43] <silverarrow> I have reinstalled lubuntu, seemingly successfully
[23:44] <silverarrow> I don't dare to the first update, because I have had repeated troubles with grub after
[23:44] <phillw> silverarrow: what problem with grup are you having?
[23:45] <phillw> *grub*
[23:46] <silverarrow> one of the messages I get is something about "line supported" something, or the hard drive is not detected properly
[23:46] <silverarrow> lubuntu will work fine as long as I don't do any updates
[23:46] <silverarrow> a bit weird
[23:47] <silverarrow> I spent a lot of time on this yesterday, and made a new atempt at it now
[23:48] <phillw> silverarrow: what version of lubuntu & what version of grub are you running?
[23:48] <silverarrow> maybe it's the hard drive, but I can't detect anything wrong
[23:49] <silverarrow> lubuntu 11.04, and everything default
[23:49] <silverarrow> from the  CD, no updates yet
[23:49] <silverarrow> though it downloaded packages during install
[23:51] <phillw> tat may be a bug in the installer for 11.04, please try it with updates during install turned off. that way I can follow it better on a VM
[23:51] <phillw> *that*
[23:52] <silverarrow> thanks, I will try that, but darn many installations by now
[23:53] <silverarrow> so there's nothing I can do now?
[23:53] <phillw> silverarrow: we need to narrow down where the issue is. If you get a 'clean' 11.04 running we have a starting point.
[23:53] <silverarrow> ok, I will do it all over right now
[23:54] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed there is, we can force the system to re-install grub
[23:54] <silverarrow> though it takes forever, maybe tomorrow then
[23:55] <silverarrow> grub is pretty safe, the new version?
[23:55] <phillw> silverarrow: head over to http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5 and pay attention to "good grub becomes bad grub"
[23:55] <phillw> silverarrow: grub is pretty good at recovering :)
[23:56] <silverarrow> It seems I have grub 2
[23:57] <phillw> silverarrow: those are my notes... you will deffo have grub2 with 11.04
[23:58] <phillw> follow through the track from there to the relevant parts of DRS305's tutorial