[01:49] hi. unetbootin asking for root password is only in my installation or is a known issue? [02:00] lcb, it has always asked me for root password [02:00] unetbootin always asks for pasword to run [02:00] urlin2u: root pwd... [02:00] your password [02:01] there is no root password [02:01] nope, tjis one is asking for root password [02:01] gksudo unetbootin [02:01] password for "root privileges" [02:02] root password. indeed it says that but the triuth is i needed to assign a pass to root [02:02] sudo passwd root [02:02] truth... [02:03] none of sudo worked, btw [02:03] or even sudo -i and $ unetbootin [02:04] lcb, can you open unetbootin from menu and use our password [02:04] your [02:04] urlin2u: i did it. as i said, didn't accept unless you assign the root pass [02:05] lcb, assigning a root password is something that you should really only do if you know how to do it [02:05] lcb, something is broken you would never set a root password yours is the one that works. can you run updates in the terminal with your password? [02:05] lcb, what about with: $ unetbootin rootcheck="no" [02:06] escott: that's why i decided to tell the issue here... [02:06] what about with gksudo unetbootin, like I already said [02:06] urlin2u: all ways of running from terminal didn't work [02:06] rww: i put it initially in the menu and didn't work [02:07] lcb, I mean a straight sudo apt-get update will it run with your password. [02:07] urlin2u: yes. it runs. however unetbootin didn't accept any sudo [02:08] lcb, hw did you install unetbootin? [02:08] urlin2u: the software center, apt-get install and synaptic [02:09] lcb, 3 installs? [02:09] something is broken, probably [02:09] urlin2u: no, 3 ways of trying to solve the issue [02:10] lcb, in the terminal sudo apt-get purge unetbootin && sudo apt-get install unetbootin [02:10] i'll remove the root pass after using it anyway [02:11] urlin2u: i purged it before. look, i decided to tell here what happened not because i don't know how to use the app but because i think there is an issue with it! [02:11] lcb, cool. ;) [02:15] Hello! I was asking for support with 11.10 in #ubuntu and they told me to come here. So I wanted to ask, is it worth updating to now? Or wait until it's no longer beta? [02:16] 1) it's alpha, 2) it'll probably break your Ubuntu installation [02:16] I though it was Alpha 3 today? [02:16] yes, it's alpha 3. not beta. [02:16] Ohh.. why do you think it'll break my installation? [02:16] =/ [02:16] MichaelDeaton, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [02:17] not long left! [02:17] because Ubuntu development releases are horrendously unstable because developers are fine with pushing out crack builds to it because that's the point? [02:18] Ohhh. I see now. My bad I was just wondering. =/ I thought it was working fine. I'll stick to 11.04 for now until October 13th I guess. :)) Not that long of a wait. === rcmaehl is now known as superuser === superuser is now known as windows7 === windows7 is now known as superuser [05:00] my ctrl tab is working like alt tab === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [09:17] mvo, ping [09:18] mvo, why would the kernel be reported by software center as "Other" under "Installed software"? - http://ubuntuone.com/p/19GM [09:18] mvo, bug? [09:21] repete: yes and no, so there is a new linux-headers-3.0.0-8 and the old linux-headers-3.0.0-7 is no longer in the archive so s-c does not know that its frm ubuntu actually [09:22] mvo, huh... to me that seems odd - and to others that may be scary [09:22] (that is if they know what the kernel is...) [09:23] right, I agree that it simply should not be displayed there [09:25] I've wondered, why aren't 2 versions of the kernel kept? the newest one and the 1 but newest one [09:25] that wya you can easely downgrade should something go wrong [09:26] Ian_Corne: there is no reason not to do that, so far update-manager will never remove anything (by policy), but we could add a exception for the kernel case [09:27] originally computer-janior was designed for this, but its not really popular [09:29] yeah computer-janitor just breaks your system... === zniavre is now known as AsusM6 === AsusM6 is now known as zniavre === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG [11:12] is everyone's oneiric booting? mine isn't... === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ [11:16] diverse_izzue: could you please explain the issue? [11:16] M0hi, it starts booting fine, but i get dumped in a black screen before lightDM appears [11:21] Does anyone here try install oneiric from alternate cd? I need some helps on building my system. I had installed a command-line system via alternate cd, added unity ppa, installed unity, but unity seems not working. I have no unity pannel at all. [11:22] unity ppa? [11:22] thats in the default repos [11:23] dr-willis: I want to install unity 3d, but in cd only have unity 2d [11:23] the cd has 3d by default. i think [11:23] diverse_izzue: This was an issue already reported. Check whether yours is similar to this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1770359&page=3 [11:24] In live cd is unity 3d, but in alternate cd it says unity 2d? [11:25] !info unity [11:25] unity (source: unity): Interface designed for efficiency of space and interaction.. In component main, is optional. Version 4.6.0-0ubuntu2 (oneiric), package size 604 kB, installed size 1776 kB [11:25] alt cd installs same desktop as tge desktop cd. as far as i know [11:26] there was no need for a ppa to be added. [11:26] dr-willis: hmm... thank you. I will try remove ppa, and reinstall. hope it'll help. [11:27] you must have the 3d drivers working for unitt3d to work === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ [11:33] diverse_izzue: apt-get install nvidia-current --reinstall [11:33] from console [11:46] Ian_Corne, i'm on an intel system [11:47] oh [11:47] weird :) [11:47] then I've not seen it happen, sorry [11:49] anyone able to install vmware workstation on linux 3.0.0-8-generic? [11:49] vmware workstation 7.1.4 [12:28] in gnome-shell the silly 'xchat' program does not want to appear in any of the 'applications' searchs i type in. sort of weird.. [12:28] alt-f2 xchat --> command not found.. but i can run xchat from a terminal just fine.. [12:56] '~$ w' does not produce meaningful output. Is this normal? [12:58] bullgard4_: '~$ w' or 'w'? [12:58] (the latter is the actual command, the former is the actual command plus prompt text from bash) [12:59] rww: '~' designates that I isuued this command in my home directory -- '$' designates that I issued this command without root privileges. [13:00] bullgard4_: okay, so the latter. It does produce meaningful output, it just might not be what you're looking for. Notably, it tends to include terminal emulator instances and your window manager in the output [13:03] rww: Ok. May be my question was not worded clearly enough: It does not produce any output except for the headline of a table. In other words, this table is empty. This is in contrast to my Lucid computer. [13:33] apt wants to upgrade libapt-pkg4.11 and apt-transport-https but apt and apt-utils are being held back. is this a safe combination? or is this potential apt breakage from yesterdays abi change [13:35] hello folks [13:36] BluesKaj, /amsg ? [13:37] coz_, ? [13:37] BluesKaj, I noticed that you "hello folks" in several channels at the same time ,, I use /amsg for that [13:37] like /amsg hey guys [13:38] BluesKaj, goes to all the channels at the same time,, although I have had complaints :) [13:38] right coz_, thanks for the tip , first I've heard of it [13:38] BluesKaj, works well :) [13:39] complaints , I'll bet I can guess who complained too :) [13:39] BluesKaj, just a few who got out of bed on the wrong side mostly :) [13:40] I call them correction trolls ..waiting to correct you when they think you've made a mistake rather than just addressing the person getting the advice [13:41] BluesKaj, ok I like that :) [13:44] there's a new one in ubuntu lately ..particularly nasty person with few social skills and high opinion of his linux chops :) [13:45] BluesKaj, oh that kind of guy :) I have seen them come and go in the past 6 years [13:46] well coz_ it's generally not really accepted in the busier channels [13:46] regarded as spam :) [13:47] this new alpha is much more stable than previously ...haven't seen any glitches except the leftover icon in the taskbar after an app is closed [13:47] it's not really workable for me tho [13:47] Ian_Corne, yeah,, but it occurs ,, I consider myself low end support,, I admire most of the people on these channels and regard them as exceptionally bright,, but this kind of person really gets to me [13:47] how long have you updated BluesKaj ? [13:47] I'm also back to 275 nvidia [13:47] because the bug is still there [13:48] ok coz_ :=) [13:48] Ian_Corne, well, some the ppl who are guilty of this conduct are also ops :) [13:48] ^^^^^^^^^^ [13:48] ahwell [13:49] can't all be perfect! [13:49] and an op is always right, even when he's wrong [13:49] bad ChanServ! [13:49] BluesKaj, being ops in cairo dock and compiz ,, we set the bar early on that that kind of behavior is out of line [13:49] the 280 driver is ok otherwise ...a smallglitch in the taskbar is easy for me to put up with [13:49] i still get the bug i closed as invalid earlier... [13:53] so nvidia is sort of ok at this point ..yes? [13:53] it works but it leaves me with unclosed processes.. [13:54] I'll reopen the bug, but don't really have time to test [13:54] Ian_Corne, ok,, well it will likely brake again at some point [13:54] well. my setup seems ok , with nomodeset to over ride the default nouveau driver , coz_ [13:55] BluesKaj, yeah ,, ok then I guess I can risk it :) [13:56] the remaining icon in the taskbar thing , coz_ [13:56] ok [13:56] no1 noticed this yet? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/822333 [13:56] otherwise desktop effects etc work ok ...I'm on kde [13:56] Ubuntu bug 822333 in unity (Ubuntu) "Whenever an appication is closed, 100% cpu is used and process is still running" [Undecided,Incomplete] [13:57] coz_, what desktop are you on? , I've forgotten [13:58] BluesKaj, at the moment gnome,,, but after seeing kde's current I may switch again [13:58] gnome 2 [14:01] coz_, yeah, I was disappointed in unity , and I've never been a gnome fan , so i went back to kde ..it's like my safe desktop , so to speak :) [14:01] I don't dislike unity atm [14:01] BluesKaj, for me confortable meant gnome,, but as I said kde is beginning to interest me again [14:05] depends ,it's a matter of taste ...when I discovered kde it was "comfortable" due to my extensive windows exposure on the job for many yrs previous [14:06] BluesKaj, that actually makes sense [14:48] khamer: what environment are you in? unity? [14:49] jrib, no, xfce/xubuntu [14:49] jrib, I can kill off xfce apps if you think one of those is suspect [14:50] khamer: well I have no clue what would do that, especially in unity, but before we start killing things, can you pastebin a list? « ps -ef | grep $USER » [14:50] jrib, sure [14:50] s/unity/xubuntu in my last [14:51] om26er: the bug was not fixed afterall :) [14:51] jrib, http://pastebin.com/uZdVLmqh [14:52] Ian_Corne, oh, re-opened? [14:52] I'll shutdown as much as I can and see if I can't correlate anything [14:53] khamer: xfsettingsd and xfce4-settings-helper would be my first guesses, I'd look into those [14:53] yes [14:53] And i'll do your testing soonish [14:53] I only filed against unity because it looked like the most plausible thing [14:54] but it's weird that switching back to 275 fixes it [14:54] Ian_Corne, happens without compiz? [14:54] so it could be compiz, xserver [14:54] fine, i'll try it now :p [14:54] Ian_Corne, you might want to test if it happens with compiz but without Unity [14:54] jrib, hm, I'll see if I can validate that [14:55] om26er: i'll try that too [14:55] think I still have classic+compiz [14:55] but you know what's weird [14:55] it even happens to the seperate processes of chrome tabs.. [14:56] I don't think compiz does anything special with closed tabs? [14:56] no it does nothing i believe [14:57] khamer: here's an *old* bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/97175 [14:57] Ubuntu bug 97175 in xfce-mcs-plugins (Ubuntu) "[xubuntu only]xfce4-session seems to reset xmodmap" [Medium,Fix released] [14:57] damn that diverse_izzue dude is already gone [14:57] there seems to be an xserver update for intel [14:58] Ian_Corne, that might break things [14:58] the xserver update? [14:58] Ian_Corne, someone got a broken system after that update, so i am holding off the update for now [14:58] yes [14:58] oho [14:58] well i'll let you knwo how it goes :) [14:59] I still have to apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current after each kernel update btw [14:59] jrib, interesting [15:00] first test: seeing if it still happens [15:00] om26er: my system is not "broken" [15:01] Ian_Corne, i should update too ;) [15:01] and yes it still happens [15:01] no tabs this time tho [15:01] Ian_Corne, which nvidia you have? [15:01] oh it also breaks logout [15:01] khamer: some interesting info here too: http://tech.barwick.de/linux/xfce-and-xmodmap.html [15:01] 280.13 [15:02] Ian_Corne, I could try on my other system atm its using the free driver to run Unity in Oneiric [15:02] can you run unity 3D with nouveau? [15:02] Ian_Corne, its running out of the box in oneiric for me [15:02] oh nice [15:02] what kind of card? [15:03] its 9800gtx+ [15:03] ah [15:03] mines 425M [15:03] ok unity 2D [15:04] om26er: also happens on unity2D [15:04] jrib, using system defaults was not checked on my system, so I checked that [15:04] Ian_Corne, then nvidia is to blame [15:04] jrib, that does look promising [15:04] or xserver! [15:04] jrib, thanks again [15:04] I'll change the package [15:04] Ian_Corne, maybe, should add 'nvidia-current' as affects [15:04] but i guess there's not much that can be done [15:04] khamer: good luck :D [15:06] Ian_Corne, there is also nvida bug tracker somewhere i think === JanC_ is now known as JanC [15:06] or it may get fixed before Oneiric final automagically [15:06] yeah probably [15:07] oops [15:07] clicked wrong :p [15:08] shoudl I mark the unity package invalid? [15:12] downgrading back to 275 [15:14] Ian_Corne, you're doing what, now? [15:16] bjsnider: I downgraded my nvidia driver to 275 [15:17] jrib, it hasn't happened yet, I'm going to claim it has something to do with using the system defaults in the XFCE keyboard settings screen [15:18] Ian_Corne, tell me why [15:18] khamer: ok [15:23] bjsnider: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/822333 [15:23] Ubuntu bug 822333 in NVIDIA Drivers Ubuntu "Whenever an appication is closed, 100% cpu is used and process is still running" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:24] bjsnider: does that provide enough information for you? [15:27] Ian_Corne, no, but if you think you have a bug in the 280.13 driver, read this: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=46678 [15:29] aha [15:43] Hmm. Never notced the superkey in gnome-shell does the same action as moving mouse to top left... :) [15:43] what did we do befor we had that extra key.. golly gee... [15:46] the superkey pre-dates gnome shell by many years [15:47] I have a large collection of IBM-Model-M's with no SuperKeys :) i know that.. :P [15:47] seems its a 'do-everything' key these days... [15:47] Oh for the days of when a 3 button mouse actually had 3 buttons. :) [15:48] a clickable scroll wheel is still a button [15:48] its just not the same.. :) [15:48] plus some mice make it a pain to actually click that wheel. [15:48] I wish the mit keyboard with hyper/meta/super/shift/alt had stuck around [15:49] I think there was six modifiers on that keyboard, though I forgot the sixth... top? [15:49] oh, control [15:49] Hmm.. With the size of pc parts these days.. You can get a whole useable pc into the formfactor of a PC mouse... :) [15:49] khamer: hyper is just altgr? [15:49] and super is ctrl? [15:50] Super is typically the 'windows' key [15:50] I've got 5, and one "menu" button [15:50] shift, ctrl, windows, alt, altgr [15:50] and the menu key I never use [15:50] Ian_Corne, I don't think so, I think super and meta got combined, control/alt/shift persisted, I don't know if there's any relation between hyper and altgr [15:51] Ian_Corne, I should see if I can make my (useless) menu key into the AltGr key, then I might use it once in a while [15:51] well the windows key just got that name, but it's still used to compose shortcuts [15:51] like windows+d to show desktop [15:52] really? not on kde [15:52] the windows key and the command key are usually both called meta [15:54] hmm, windows and anykey brings upo the runbox here [15:54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard - control, meta, hyper, super, shift, top, front [15:57] strange behaviour, now windows plus anyket does nothing :) [15:57] any key [15:57] uhm, 3.0.0 series <3.0.0-7 didn't boot for me and 3.0.0-8 doesn't boot either [15:58] only 3.0.0-7 boots [15:58] BluesKaj: keyboard shortcuts aren't working right in Unity at the moment [15:58] it just hangs after grub when the kernel is loading [15:58] jbicha, I'm on kde 4.7 [15:58] 3.0.0-6 or something showed me a non-bootable root problem when it tried to boot form null UUID [15:58] oh, nm then [15:59] jbicha, tried unity for a day or 2 , but it wasn't for me [16:00] BBL ... === om26er_ is now known as om26er-afk [16:11] hifi, can you get to the recovery kernel or a tty ? [16:11] wut? the particular kernel just won't boot [16:12] just wondering what changed between 3.0.0- 1-6, 7 and 8 [16:12] hifi, try holding down the shift key after the bios scrn to bring up the grub menu , then choose the recovery kernel [16:13] what good would that do? [16:13] if I remember correctly it won't load at all [16:13] it'sprobly the grphics driver prob if you're running nvidia [16:13] no, I'm running open source radeon [16:13] the kernel won't boot at all [16:14] it never loads up /bin/init [16:14] /sbin/init [16:14] ok [16:14] nor I can enable any verbose mod [16:14] mode [16:14] removing "quiet" and keeping "nosplash" still just shows the blinking cursor after grub [16:15] try nomodeset? [16:15] with a working kernel it says "Starting..." after loading up the kernel when init kicks in [16:15] I'll try that just to see if I can get anything out of it [16:15] would be kinda bad if the shipping kernel won't boot [16:15] hifi: but it doesn't happen anymore on -8? [16:16] it started again with -8 [16:16] ah [16:16] if I remember corrently 1-5 hung [16:16] -6 booted in verbose mode ending up in failing to mount the root fs [16:16] does a live-cd boot? [16:16] with uuid full of zeroes [16:16] and -7 works just fine for me [16:16] -8 just shows the blinking cursor again [16:17] a live-cd with the -8 kernel, have you tried it? [16:17] I can't see how a live-cd would make any difference [16:17] well, if that boots, it's something in your system and not widespread [16:17] right, if it's a mounting problem [16:17] I think [16:17] idd [16:17] well, why -7 and old 2.6 series boot? [16:17] it could be you were just "lucky" with -7 [16:18] I have no idea :) [16:18] checked your grub file? [16:18] any switched to get -8 to verbose mode again [16:18] switches* [16:18] or it hangs before the kernel starts to print anything [16:18] with -7 I see all messages from the kernel when it boots [16:20] though that is true my system might be a bit creaky as it has been dist-upgraded since lucid [16:21] hifi, so you can't get to grub ? [16:21] god, no, just the 3.0.0 series of kernels have booting problems === om26er-afk is now known as om26er [16:23] the "recovery" kernel also hangs [16:23] yeah, maybe a clean install might do the trick ...I did a couple after my initial disasters with oneiric alpha [16:24] though I yet see no reason why it would hang there if my system boots fine with other kernels [16:24] knowing how the system works I don't think it's the userland that is broken [16:25] tried nomodeset, noquiet and everything [16:27] does a live-cd with the -8 kernel boot? [16:27] taken that I don't see the kernel messages at all I don't even get the blinking panic leds on my keyboard when root mounting fails [16:27] does the latest netinst image have -8? [16:27] I don't know [16:28] i set it up as "quiet splash nomodeset" and it worked for me but that was due to the default nouveau driver mucking up the works by over riding the nvidia current [16:28] -7 keeps booting fine when -6 and -8 won't [16:28] wait what [16:29] it does boot, after a very long delay [16:29] :d [16:29] eeri [16:29] that takes like a minute to get the kernel boot messages running [16:29] and then it stars hanging with the RTC and USB [16:29] I wonder... [16:31] uh [16:31] now it booted after the long delay just fine [17:16] after last upgrade I seem to have extremely slow network speed [17:16] weird [17:18] every time i update/upgrade.. it seems theres an update for 'apt' :) scary [17:34] dr_willis, thats a good news :P [17:40] as long as apt keeps working that is :p [17:59] hi all is there a fast way to install gnome on ubuntu server ? [17:59] via apt [18:01] bau-: I don't about gnome itself, but to install ubuntu desktop on the server, you can use "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" [18:01] apt-get install gnome :) but you prob. want some OTHER package name... [18:02] It will add the complete desktop environment [18:03] ok, i don't know yet, i'd prefer to leave command line [18:04] * to keep [18:08] you will still have commandline ;-) [18:12] Its like that person at the faimly reunions that no one talks about..... [18:12] :) [18:15] we have more than one :) [18:26] Has anyone using bluetooth applet found the icon is missing? [18:43] boas [18:45] I'm so used to Aptitude [18:46] sNAKES! :) [18:46] that for a moment I couldn't use apt-get [18:46] lets see if apt is fixed today [18:46] there's an Apitude upgrade [18:46] saw an apt update earlier.. [18:48] Good Afternoon, BUGabundo [18:51] * genii-around does an apt-get dist-upgrade without the -y [18:52] YUPI [18:52] aptitude is back [18:52] glad I didn't have to refer to dpkg to fix this [18:52] genii-around: $ grep apti .bashrc [18:52] alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade' [18:52] hm, maybe I have to run my upgrades today [18:53] I been waiting since yesterday [18:53] alias ud [18:54] BluesKaj: ? [18:55] well time to reboot and see if this thing explodes... [18:56] BUGabundo, just my update alias [18:57] ahh [18:57] short :p [18:59] it works in conjunction with my sudoers ALL=NOPASSWD: entries [19:03] be carefull with full upgrade BluesKaj [19:03] did anyoen do the the update to lightdm yet? [19:03] it's still being kept back [19:05] The following NEW packages will be installed: [19:05] libgphoto2-l10n{a} libnl3{a} python2.6{a} python2.6-minimal{a} [19:05] The following packages will be upgraded: [19:05] apt apt-utils gawk{b} libgphoto2-2 network-manager python-apt wpasupplicant [19:05] this is what I have left to do [19:05] everything else has been done already Ian_Corne [19:07] do you still have ubuntu-desktop? [19:07] "update manager closed unexpectedly" [19:07] darn :p [19:08] can't deselect nvidia-current in aptitude [19:09] ubuntu-desktop: [19:09] Installed: 1.236 [19:09] lets try then [19:09] and lightdm version? [19:10] lightdm: [19:10] Installed: 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 [19:10] lol I still have 0.4.3 [19:11] o.O [19:11] i've been carrying that lightdm package ever since :p [19:15] hi. is gnome3 already in the daily build? [19:16] yes [19:16] thanks4info! [19:17] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [19:17] powerpc only? [19:17] BUGabundo: try apt-fast ;) [19:17] $ apt-fast [19:17] apt-fast: command not found [19:18] it's from a 3rd party but kicks ass [19:18] downloads packages from 3 sources at the same time instead of 1 [19:18] you could already select, automatically download in the background, no? [19:19]