[01:11] <MagicFab> hi all
[01:12] <MagicFab> txwikinger, ping
[01:12] <MagicFab> I was wondering if anyone from Ubuntu Canada will be doing anything on SFD 2011 -> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada
[01:12] <MagicFab> if so,  consider having a team and adding it to the wiki :)
[03:29] <dscassel> Bah, didn't stick around.
[03:29] <dscassel> IRC meeting tomorrow night!
[03:29] <dscassel> We'll talk about SFD and other stuff....
[03:38] <dscassel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09
[04:19] <cvillaco> Hi,
[11:39] <khoover> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2010/08/17/bc-marijuana-grow-op-bears.html
[11:39] <khoover> i'm sorry, but this was just too good to pass on, even if it has nothing to do with the channel
[13:35] <BluesKaj> hello folks
[13:38] <khoover> mornin
[13:57] <bregma> hey
[14:30] <dscassel> Morning, all. :)
[14:32] <dscassel> MagicFab: I've been talking to other KWLUG people about doing another SFD this year.
[14:32] <dscassel> I don't have time to organize it myself, but I'll definitely be there.
[14:34] <genii-around> dscassel: Morning
[14:37] <MagicFab> dscassel, I put an English template online to use in invitation emails. Feel free to use that if you have even 1-2 minutes to shoot for more teams.
[14:37] <MagicFab> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CanadaInvitations
[15:32] <dscassel> Thanks, MagicFab
[16:31] <dscassel> MagicFab: There's an ubuntu-ca IRC meeting tonight (7pm EDT) if you want to pitch SFD participation... :)
[17:12] <MagicFab> dscassel, will be on the bus - :( I trust you'll rep me OK :)
[17:25] <genii-around> dscassel: Meeting is in here, or #ubuntu-meeting ?
[17:28] <dscassel> genii-around: In here, as usual.
[17:28] <dscassel> MagicFab: No problem. I added a few more LUGs to the wiki from a list I've been gathering...
[17:29] <genii-around> dscassel: Got it, I'll make sure to be around
[23:00] <dscassel> Meeting time!
[23:00] <BobJonkman> Hallooo!
[23:00] <razorgoto> hi everyone!
[23:02] <dscassel> Mass call! Jeruvy Kulag ossguy starcraftman BluesKaj FiReSTaRT kavurt psema4mobile txwikinger IdleOne kenjy bregma jaguar khoover MylesBraithwaite ryanakca willwh cyphermox james_w KombuchaKip oracology sipherdee zeroedout
[23:02] <psema4mobile> hi all. noob here to learn about happy hour :-)
[23:02] <dscassel> psema4mobile: Welcome!
[23:02] <dscassel> Agenda here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2011-08-09
[23:02] <dscassel> Please feel free to introduce yourself.  Where are you? What do you do with/for/on Ubuntu?
[23:03] <dscassel> I'm Darcy in Waterloo, and I'm the LoCo Contact for Ubuntu Canada.
[23:03]  * BobJonkman is Bob Jonkman, out of Elmira, just north of Waterloo, N
[23:03] <dscassel> (feel free to ask what that means. :)
[23:03] <BobJonkman> What does that mean?
[23:03] <bregma> wow, it's that time already?  I haven't left work yet!
[23:04] <razorgoto> I am Sammy Lao in Toronto. I am a volunteer at Free Geek Toronto.
[23:04] <zeroedout> I'm Alishams in Vancouver. Director at Free Geek Vancouver, linux geek and Ubuntu lover
[23:04] <dscassel> Cool.  A meeting of the Free Geeks. :D
[23:04]  * psema4mobile is from Hamilton, uses ubuntu for general home computing
[23:04] <oracology> zeroedout: hey, i see you on the #avaneya board as well. :) cool!
[23:04] <Jeruvy> I am Jeruvy, a power user from Calgary.  Actually around for a meeting for a change :)
[23:04] <zeroedout> oracology: yea, it's an awesome project
[23:05] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Well, you should probably know already, but the LoCo contact acts as a point of contact between the Canadian Ubuntu community (ie., us) and the LoCo council (and, in turn, the community council).
[23:05] <oracology> zeroedout: agreed. but it is my bedtime, so I should head off to bed...talk to you again soon!
[23:06] <zeroedout> bye!
[23:06] <dscassel> Good night, oracology :)
[23:06] <dscassel> Isn't it 4pm in Vancouver right now?
[23:06] <oracology> good night everyone!
[23:06] <razorgoto> good night zeroedout
[23:06] <oracology> dscassel: i live in the UK, but i'm from vancouver originally.
[23:06] <dscassel> I was actually thinking about moving the meeting out an hour...
[23:07] <zeroedout> oh I'm still around
[23:07] <dscassel> oracology: Ah, that's cool.  :)
[23:07] <oracology> razorgoto: i'm the one who's leaving ;). good night!
[23:08] <razorgoto> oh. oops. my eyes skipped a line.
[23:08] <dscassel> I'm going to get some water and settle in for a minute.
[23:08] <dscassel> Is there anything anybody wanted to add to the agenda?
[23:08] <dscassel> Hi psema4mobile. BobJonkman was telling me about you. :)
[23:09] <BobJonkman> I have a little stack of Ubuntu CDs here, literally with your name on them.
[23:09] <BobJonkman> (Well, with your name on the stack, not the individual disks)
[23:10] <psema4mobile> Lol. :-)
[23:10] <psema4mobile> Sorry bit hard to type on this phone.
[23:11] <razorgoto> psema4mobile: You on a Desire Z?
[23:11] <BobJonkman> psema4mobile and I are trying to set up a date for an Ubuntu Hour in Hamilton
[23:11] <psema4mobile> razorgoto no, xperia play
[23:12] <BobJonkman> Maybe in September, if our calendars remain clear
[23:12] <psema4mobile> agree, need to clear off my plate a bit.
[23:12] <BobJonkman> psema4mobile becomes the latest member of the Ubuntu Hour CD Bribery Program
[23:12] <dscassel> Awesome. :D
[23:13] <psema4mobile> B-)
[23:13] <razorgoto> Great! :-)
[23:13] <dscassel> I guess that means we should move onto the only actual agenda item:
[23:13] <dscassel> Events!
[23:14] <dscassel> There's ubuntu hours, of course.
[23:14] <dscassel> I'm running mine next Wednesday in Waterloo.
[23:14] <dscassel> Charles McColm is running one in downtown Kitchener as well.
[23:14] <BobJonkman> @chaslinux is running one in Kitchener
[23:14] <BobJonkman> :))
[23:15] <dscassel> So Ubuntu Canada currently has two ubuntu hours: both in K-W. ^^;
[23:15] <razorgoto> We are still trying for a consistent one in Toronto.
[23:16] <dscassel> If I could afford the time off, I'd do a cross-country tour to do thim all over the place and show people they're really not hard or anything.
[23:16] <razorgoto> Linuxcaffe on College is kind of like a semi-permanent Ubuntu Hour. ;-)
[23:16] <dscassel> razorgoto: True. :)
[23:16] <razorgoto> but agreed, dscassel.
[23:16] <psema4mobile> If no one objects, can I get a rundown? I've checked the eiki page but would prefer a first hand description.
[23:17] <dscassel> Of an Hour?
[23:17] <dscassel> It's just a meet-up.
[23:17] <dscassel> Laptops optional (depending on the group, they are sometimes frowned upon).
[23:17] <dscassel> Just meet local Ubuntu people.
[23:18] <dscassel> You can talk about Ubuntu, or whatever else comes up.
[23:18] <psema4mobile> an informal outreach, user get together then. ok
[23:18] <dscassel> Yeah, basically.
[23:18] <psema4mobile> cool.
[23:18] <dscassel> It gives people a reliable *thing* they can start building a community around.
[23:18] <BobJonkman> dscassel: There are Ubuntu Hours on the calendar for Longeuil and Montreal too
[23:19] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yes, true, but I won't take credit for ubuntu-qc. :)
[23:19] <dscassel> I'm going to try to get to one when I'm in Montreal in a couple weeks.
[23:20] <dscassel> (I'll be close to the Outremont one, but I'm taking the train to Ottawa on Thursday...)
[23:20] <dscassel> Also, the Ubuntu global Jam is coming up.  Sept 2-4.
[23:21] <dscassel> We'll be hosting a Jam event at Kwartzlab.
[23:21] <dscassel> (Ubuntu Jams, btw, are all about *contributing* to Ubuntu. Testing, bug triage, development, etc.)
[23:22] <dscassel> txwikinger has a plan to build an automated packaging tool to help with package updates especially.
[23:22] <dscassel> So we'll be doing something like a hackathon around that, i think.
[23:23] <BobJonkman> I've reported bugs, but haven't actually contributed code.
[23:23] <dscassel> Or whatever else the people who show up want to do.
[23:23] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Nothing wrong with that. :)
[23:24] <BobJonkman> And Ubuntu Community Boosterism is a contribution too
[23:24] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Absolutely. :)
[23:25] <bregma> Ubuntu likes non-coding contributions
[23:26] <BobJonkman> The Ubuntu Jams happen close to the next version release date
[23:26] <bregma> end of October?
[23:26] <dscassel> After beta 1.
[23:26] <BobJonkman> I think Oneiric releases  on Oct 13
[23:27] <bregma> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[23:27] <dscassel> Stuff's pretty locked down by the time the Jam comes around.
[23:28] <dscassel> Which is why the emphasis tends to be on testing and triage.
[23:28] <bregma> actually the lock down starts Thursday
[23:28] <dscassel> txwikinger was getting kind of bored with triage, tho (He's kind of done a lot of it. :)
[23:28] <bregma> some of us start work on the P-series next week
[23:29] <bregma> I wish it had a name
[23:29] <BobJonkman> Still, we need someone to show the rest of us how triage is done.
[23:29] <BobJonkman> It's much more comfortable with an experienced triager at the helm
[23:29] <dscassel> BobJonkman: Yeah, and I don't think he'll mind helping out.
[23:30] <dscassel> bregma: What do you *do*, exactly. :)
[23:31] <dscassel> I ask out of genuine interest.
[23:33] <razorgoto> guys, for the jam, do you guys do it all in one physical location?
[23:33] <dscassel> razorgoto: Depends on the Jam.
[23:34] <dscassel> For ours, yeah.  we hold it here at Kwartzlab.
[23:34] <BobJonkman> In Kitchener Waterloo we go to Kwartzlab.  The camraderie is nice, even if we don't get much work done
[23:34] <dscassel> I know there are other Jams that are distributed, and people work together on things over IRC.
[23:35]  * psema4mobile wishes there were a GO route brtween Hamilton and KW
[23:35] <dscassel> razorgoto: I know you guys were interested in running Jams at Free Geek, but I guess you're busy with Linux Fest...?
[23:35] <razorgoto> I've polled around here at Free Geek, we have the space, but we don't have someone interested in organizing one.
[23:36] <dscassel> psema4mobile: You're not the only one. :)
[23:36] <BobJonkman> psema4mobile Are you involved with the Hamilton Hackerspace?
[23:36] <psema4mobile> um, loosely.
[23:37] <psema4mobile> Ive spoken with a few if the communities members
[23:37] <dscassel> I just know Adina...
[23:37] <dscassel> (even then not very well)
[23:38] <dscassel> Speaking of hackerspaces, SoOnCon 2011 is October 1 at Bell Lightbox in Toronto.
[23:38] <cvillaco> dscassel, do I understand that one of the jam locations may be running irc?
[23:39] <cvillaco> sorry for my typing, my hand is in a brace right now and want to catch before the question is gone
[23:39] <dscassel> cvillaco: I know they've had virtual jams in the past, but I haven't heard about one this time.
[23:39] <dscassel> I can look into it for you.
[23:39] <dscassel> I'm sure BobJonkman and I will be online here during the proceedings. :)
[23:39] <kjwcode> Any Vancouver, BC events?
[23:39] <dscassel> We can set up the webcam too..
[23:39]  * psema4mobile will be right back after these msgs
[23:39] <BobJonkman> I'll be at Kwartzlab, and I can bring a dedicated laptop for IRC
[23:40] <dscassel> kjwcode: You'd have to check Ubuntu Vancouver. http://www.meetup.com/ubuntuvancouver/
[23:40] <cvillaco> i wonder if there would be enough attendees via irc to mak eit worthwhile, it could be a porta if there is interest for the members who are not close to a session
[23:40] <dscassel> Randall Ross has posted cryptic blog posts about it.
[23:40] <kjwcode> dscassel: Thanks for the pointer -- checking!
[23:41] <dscassel> kjwcode: np :)
[23:41] <dscassel> cvillaco: Dunno. A lot of it can be done independantly, tho.
[23:41] <dscassel> Like bug triage.
[23:41] <razorgoto> do you guys keep this channel open during the jame party in Kwartzlab?
[23:42] <dscassel> It's more fun to do it in groups, but nothing stopping you otherwise.
[23:42] <BobJonkman> razorgoto: This channel is always open, but I'll pay special attention during the Jam
[23:42] <dscassel> razorgoto: Sure.  Actually, I'm in here all the time.  Often idle, but still online.
[23:42] <razorgoto> Sorry, you know what I mean by "open".
[23:43]  * psema4mobile is back
[23:43] <dscassel> You can check the Kwartzlab webcam here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/kwartzlab
[23:43] <BobJonkman> Yes, "paying attention to" :-)
[23:43] <razorgoto> Yep, Bob. :-)
[23:43] <dscassel> (I guess it's offline at the moment. I'll kick it when the meeting's over)
[23:44] <BobJonkman> I learned about Big Blue Button at KWLUG yesterday, maybe we can set up a conference
[23:44] <dscassel> cvillaco: If you really want to go to a jam, you can run one. :)
[23:44] <cvillaco> is thee ppl interested in participating remotely?
[23:45] <cvillaco> ohh, haha,
[23:45] <cvillaco> maybe such a thing is possible.
[23:45] <razorgoto> I think so. cvillaco.
[23:46] <dscassel> cvillaco: An Ubuntu hour would be an easier place to start, but hey, it's still not that bad running a Jam.
[23:46] <razorgoto> cvillaco: where are you in Canada?
[23:46] <dscassel> See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[23:46] <cvillaco> i think i would be int3erested in observing first before making concrete actions.
[23:46] <BobJonkman> About half-way between a Jam and an Hour is a Release Party
[23:47] <BobJonkman> in complexity, that is
[23:47] <cvillaco> maybe watch a jam first or something.
[23:47] <cvillaco> razorgoto i am in Thunder Bay On
[23:47] <razorgoto> cvillaco: I think the same as you. It's hard to know how to organize something properly if one has never been to one before...
[23:48] <dscassel> cvillaco: I've seen a couple Thunder Bay people come and go through the channel and IRC.
[23:48] <razorgoto> I think it's the logistics of it. Is the organizer reponsible to "find something for people to do?"
[23:49] <dscassel> And you might be able to tempt tonyyarusso to come up from Minnesota...
[23:49] <razorgoto> Or would the jam participants be mostly self-directed... I read the website before, and it wasn't to clear the social conventions of one.
[23:49] <dscassel> razorgoto: I haven't really figured that one out either.
[23:49] <dscassel> So mostly self-directed.
[23:49] <dscassel> We have an actual project we're going to work on this time.
[23:50] <dscassel> But there's nothing that comes down from the mothership.
[23:50] <dscassel> Last time there was stuff about testing Unity.
[23:50] <dscassel> Time before that tehy wanted install testing.
[23:50] <BobJonkman> For me, at the Jams, installing a Beta has always resulted in bugs to report.
[23:50] <dscassel> Yeah, that's not a bad place to start.
[23:50] <razorgoto> BobJonkman:   :-)
[23:51] <BobJonkman> So I've kept myself busy that way.  I may have triaged one bug in the last 3 Jams..
[23:51] <dscassel> razorgoto: You guys doing anything for Software Freedom Day?
[23:52] <dscassel> That would seem to be up Free Geek's alley. :)
[23:52] <razorgoto> nope.
[23:52] <razorgoto> :-(
[23:53] <razorgoto> We've been internally focused the last few months. We have this whole "facilities management" side of the operations.
[23:53] <dscassel> razorgoto: No worries.
[23:53] <razorgoto> that's been taking up a lot of time. :-(
[23:54] <BobJonkman> SFD is always on a Saturday, so you could just put up some posters and talk about software freedom in the ordinary course of events
[23:55] <dscassel> According to the website (http://softwarefreedomday.org/) there are events in Victoria, Winnipeg, Kitchener (hosted by chaslinux again), Pickering, montreal and Quebec.
[23:56] <razorgoto> Pickering?
[23:56] <dscassel> Yeah, I know!
[23:56] <razorgoto> lol!
[23:57] <dscassel> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Pickering/Ontario/Pickering%20Public%20Library%20Main
[23:57] <psema4mobile> cool, at the library even!
[23:57] <dscassel> There *should* be events everywhere. :)
[23:57] <razorgoto> I wonder which library branch is that?
[23:58] <dscassel> Main, apparently.
[23:58] <cvillaco> maybe bringing some ubuntu posters or informative pamplets to such events would introduce people who are using proprietary solutions to the idea of a free software operating system,
[23:59] <razorgoto> Oh, I know the person that runs that library...
[23:59] <BobJonkman> razorgoto: What can you tell us about FSOSS?
[23:59] <BobJonkman> Specifically, the LinuxFest that goes along with FSOSS this year?