gordhas no one started to think that this might all just because of a variation of a rage virus? i should start stocking up on cricket bats just in case, i'm well trained for this eventuality00:03
Seeker`apparently water canon aren't authorised for use in mainland britain00:07
Seeker`if they decide to use them they'll have to bring them over from NI00:07
gordon a hot summers day, i'm not sure water canons will have a desired effect ;)00:11
Seeker`might make people cool off a bit :P00:16
directhexwater cannons aren't gentle.00:54
directhexgenerally the UK police forces don't mess around with munitions - e.g. our CS spray is 5x stronger than what they use in the US00:54
directhexbut we won't use water cannons with fairly good reason.00:54
notclivedo we not currently have a fairly good reason?00:55
AlanBellmorning all03:05
danfish#j /oggcamp06:22
danfishAlanBell: 04:05 < AlanBell> morning all06:23
danfish^^^tad early06:23
harry_hey anyone with the Ubuntu 11.04 actually i m facing a strange scenario...!!06:29
danfishwhat's the problem harry_ ?06:29
harry_yes actually when ever i change the language at the time of login the locale $lang is not getting set to the langauge which i have selected...!!06:30
danfishharry_: only ever stuck with one language I'm afraid. However it seems as though switching languages isn't quite as seemless as it could be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingLanguages06:36
harry_Yes its happening for all the languages and the link which u provided has true discription for all the verions of Ubuntu below 11.04 means uptill 10.10 but its not true for Ubuntu 11.0406:40
harry_danfish:Yes its happening for all the languages and the link which u provided has true discription for all the verions of Ubuntu below 11.04 means uptill 10.10 but its not true for Ubuntu 11.0406:41
AlanBellharry_: this probably isn't the best place for that question, I doubt many people here have switched languages06:46
AlanBellis it the en_GB translation you are trying to use?06:46
harry_AlanBell: no what i m trying to say is that 1) Chnage the Langauge at the time of Login 2) Open Terminal and type $LANG ( use to get the locale lanaguge) and see the output           even if we choose arabic at login time $LANG will dispaly the wrong output...:!06:49
AlanBellgot a bug number?06:51
harry_AlanBell:i provide you the link06:52
harry_AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/82033306:52
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 820333 in Ubuntu "Regional Formats" [Undecided,Confirmed]06:52
harry_lubotu3:yes its seems like a bug06:53
lubotu3harry_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)06:53
harry_lol thats fine every intelligent person use to say like that....:)06:54
harry_labotu3:still if u can help in some way thats appreciated ..06:55
lubotu3Yum! Err, I mean, APT!06:56
AlanBellso it is confirmed, I have no idea what package it should be against06:57
AlanBellI would have thought #ubuntu-translators would be a better channel to discuss the issue06:57
harry_AlanBell:okay thanks for the help AlanBell and lubotu306:58
harry_Seems every one is busy on #ububntu-translators :(07:01
TheOpenSourcererharry_: Or possibly not yet awake.07:02
harry_Yes i also worried about it...:)07:03
diplomorning all07:45
MooDoomorning all08:00
MooDoosilly question really, everyone ok #riots?08:01
harry_hey anyone with the Ubuntu 11.04 actually i m facing a strange scenario...!!08:02
diploharry_, jsut ask away, lots of people probably running it here08:02
diploSomeone will answer I expect08:02
diploA question for myself here, I'm writing a parser for awstats txt files in python at the mo08:03
harry_diplo:yes may be all r wake up now...08:03
diploIf I want to share this, what is the best way ? Via launchpad ?08:03
diploheh, still not played with git08:04
diploSuppose it may be time to learn08:04
* AlanBell likes bzr and launchpad08:04
harry_hey everyone..want to know about "loacle" in Ubuntu 11.04 about lanaguge selection at the time of login/...08:04
ali1234launchpad is great if you only want to share with ubuntu users08:04
ali1234everyone else understands that git is far far superior to bazaar08:04
diploAlanBell, can I just use it to host python files etc rather than a ppa/package ?08:05
AlanBelldiplo: yes, you can08:05
diploCool, will take a look now.08:05
diploMay host it on both, I think it may be of use to people so it's a start for me to contribute :)08:06
AlanBellali1234: yes, github is good too08:06
diploali1234, thanks as well08:06
ali1234superficially there is no difference between git and bazaar (what launchpad uses)08:06
diploSee if I get shouted at for sh*t coding of python ( using it as a learning curve ) as not wrote any python till this week08:07
gordmost people don't care what you are using to be honest, choice of repository is more of a maintainer task08:10
harry_diplo:when i change the langauge at the time of login the "locale" variable is not getting change as per the language selected at the time of login in ubuntu 11.0408:11
diploharry_, not using naatty myself but a quick google has people with same issue08:14
diploThey have installed / re-installed the language packs with results08:14
diploHave you tried that ?08:14
harry_yes everything can u just share that link which u googled out??08:15
diploThis was pre release, but it's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=171312908:17
AlanBellharry_: you have a confirmed bug, what is your question?08:17
harry_AlanBell:yes i did here is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/82033308:18
lubotu3Ubuntu bug 820333 in Ubuntu "Regional Formats" [Undecided,Confirmed]08:18
AlanBellok, so what do you want to know now?08:19
harry_I just want to know that do u guys have any information about it ?? have u ever faced such thing wile working f yes then how u resolve it ??? or what bi have to do to resolve the issues now....i need guides on that simply...08:20
AlanBelldunno, set the variable manually maybe?08:22
AlanBellwhat problems does it cause?08:23
harry_AlanBell: no that not the solution i want to set it as the time of login...not manually08:23
AlanBellso all other languages are having this problem?08:25
harry_AlanBell: yes with all the languages this issues is there...08:26
AlanBelland what problem does it cause?08:26
jpdsharry_: You know you can set the language from GDM?08:26
harry_jpds:what r u saying if u can elaborate it??08:27
jpdsharry_: When you click on your username in the login window, you get a language option at the bottom of the screen.08:27
AlanBelljpds: he is doing that, it isn't setting $lang or $locale apparently08:27
JamesTaitMorning all!08:27
jpdsHmm, weird.08:27
MooDoomorning JamesTait08:28
harry_jpds:yes exatlly what AlanBell said i m doing that thing and its not setting the $LANG in locale08:28
AlanBellI would have expected if this were the case, and causing problems, the french and spanish teams would be getting a bit concerned08:28
jpdsMy desktop is fine in the language I set it to.08:28
AlanBellharry_: why is this not causing big problems for users?08:29
harry_jpds:try env | grep LANG and show me the result08:29
AlanBellharry_: what are the consequences of the environment variable not being set? Why would anyone care?08:30
jpdsharry_: My shells are always set to LANG=en_GB.08:30
harry_AlanBell : becuase as the normal user its not creating a big problem because mostly they use to work with thier locale lanague whcih they use to set manually from LAngauge Support in system Settings...or most iof the users use English only...08:30
popeyMorning all08:30
harry_jpds:yes thats what i m saying its not getting change locale lanaguage08:31
jpdsharry_: Checked GDM_LANG and LANGUAGE ?08:31
harry_but GDM_LANG only gives langauge code ( two letter code ) not the countyr code.As there are many flaviours of same language like Arabic(Saudi arabia) Arabic(Iraq) and so on...08:33
AlanBellharry_: ah, so you are saying $lang is always set to the machine default settings, not the per-user preference, so someone with their whole machine set to french would be fine08:34
jpdsYeah, that's what I have.08:34
harry_$lang only chnage when we change it manually from the Regional Formate of the Language Support in System Settings....08:35
harry_But uptill 10.10 $lang is set as per the user selection at the time of login..08:36
oimonwoke up to a burning smoke filled skyline today :(08:36
AlanBellrelated to bug 55316208:38
lubotu3Launchpad bug 553162 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/55316208:38
jpdsharry_: Have you tried setting the LANGUAGE varible?08:38
AlanBellharry_: I think your bug should be assigned to gdm08:38
harry_jpds:but i dont want it to do manually i want it to set by the user indipent of the manually settings...08:38
harry_AlanBell:yes can u tell me where should i post to gdm if know??08:39
AlanBellI just did08:39
harry_AlanBell::okay link pls..08:40
jpdsBlah, works fine for me.08:40
jpdsSetting the language via GDM.08:42
harry_how u did it??08:42
jpdsharry_: Err, with the langauge option at the login window as it's normally done?08:44
harry_jpds:can u just tell me the steps u have performed ?08:45
MichealHUgh.... The news :/09:01
scoundrel50ahi, I am trying to get used to seeing what is in Bash history, problem is, the list is so long I only get part of it, and about half is missing, plus, is there anyway to fond out who has been using the commands?09:02
scoundrel50aHow do I get the list of all commands09:02
scoundrel50ain the history09:02
scoundrel50adone that one09:03
MooDoojust type it and pipe it to more :)09:03
scoundrel50ahow do I do that09:03
MooDoohistory | more09:03
scoundrel50aok, will give it a try09:03
MooDooand when you run it, it only shows the history of the current user, other users have their own bash_history09:04
ali1234actually it only shows the history of the current tty09:04
harry_jpds:no dude its not for me actually they are talking about the previouse release of i..09:04
ali1234which is incredibly annoying since who only has one tty?09:04
MooDooali1234: thanks :)09:04
ali1234it also has little or nothing to do with .bash_history09:05
scoundrel50ais there any way I can get a history of all commands against against the user?09:07
scoundrel50aand what is tty?09:07
ali1234no and teletype09:08
ali1234well, that wikipedia page is astoundingly unhelpful09:08
MooDooam i missing something, doesn't bash_history tell you what commands the user has used....although i am looking at my centos box lol09:09
ali1234it tells you *some* of the commands the user has used, but not all of them09:09
ali1234same for history, but it gives you a completely different subset09:10
ali1234actually it looks like it works like this:09:11
ali1234each instance of bash holds it's history in memory09:11
ali1234when you exit it writes that out to .bash_history, overwriting what was previously there09:11
popeyyeah, so if you have lots of terminals open, you miss stuff09:11
popeyalso if you prefix with a space, that doesnt go in the history09:12
popeyor if you accidentally prefix with a space09:12
popeyali1234: used one of these? http://mymobile.three.co.uk:8080/mymobile/Huawei/E353/overview.html09:12
popeythey look "nice"09:12
ali1234only the free one is the one i've "used"09:12
ali1234and i've never actually used it09:12
ali1234i just use my phone09:12
bigcalmGood morning peoples :)09:20
directhexi've got a huawei stick thing somewhere... i only bought it for the SIM, to put direct into the laptop09:20
directhexbigcalm, me, pretty depressing morning tbh, given last night :/09:20
MooDoodirecthex: nottingham got it last night too09:22
directhexMooDoo, anywhere with disgusting opportunistic thieves got it.09:23
hoovermorning lads09:26
MooDoomorning hoover09:26
Cassullwhat is going on in england? I've just read the news09:32
hooverwhat news?09:32
oimonlondon's getting trashed09:32
hooversounds like the 80s all over again 8(09:33
oimonit's so depressing09:33
hooverthe bbc link looks promising though: "live england riots"09:33
oimonleft work early yesterday to try and avoid things, and ended up going through hackney at 4.30pm while shops were being looted09:34
Cassulldarn, I actually wanted to have my holidays there09:35
hoovernot a nice situation to find yourself in I guess 8(09:35
oimonthere'll be nothing left if the army don't come in soon09:35
TheOpenSourcererCassull: Do not get this out of perspective.09:35
MooDooi'll blow over it always does09:35
popeyOh please09:35
bigcalmBack to work :)09:35
popeyCassull: its not like the whole country is on fire09:36
MooDooCassull: where were you planning on visiting?09:36
AlanBello/ czajkowski09:37
CassullMooDoo: I wanted to go to london for a couple of days and then travel through the country09:38
popeyCassull: when?09:39
popeythe country is lovely at this time of year09:39
popeyand there's a _lot_ of it09:39
TheOpenSourcererMost of London is fine too.09:40
TheOpenSourcererLondon is rather large.09:40
popeythat too09:40
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:40
hoovermornin brob09:40
brobostigonmorning hoover09:40
oimonwell north london isn't doing too well guys09:40
Cassullis oxford and cambridge ok?09:41
CassullI wanted to go there too09:41
TheOpenSourcereroimon: What? All of North London or a few streets?09:41
hooveryou haven't seen London if you haven't seen a riot ;-)09:42
* hoover 's brother in law's from London, tough as nails09:42
oimonTheOpenSourcerer: main high streets and travel routes through n london09:43
oimonmy route home takes it views of hackney , tottenham and enfield09:44
MooDooCassull: i wouldn't worry to be honest.....when you planning on coming?09:45
MooDooCassull: it's more than likely that the places you want to visit won't be effected.09:45
popeynow, make those icons _actual_ size09:48
popeyrather than looking like entire bouroughs are on fire, just single buildings as is actually the case09:48
oimonnot true - the rampaging in enfield covered the town centre and spread for a few miles eastwards to ponders end and towards tottenham09:49
oimonbuildings and cars were trashed over a wide area09:49
CassullMooDoo: I wanted to go this week, but I think I will better postbone it at least for 2 or three month09:50
popeyoimon: thats not the case for all the icons on that map09:52
oimoneach icon on the map in n london around the A10 road leading from central london is near another icon ~ 1 mile away.  similarly around inner london09:54
Cassullbut it just had to happen...  I mean, hell it's like the devil himself plays a trick on me09:55
popeypretty sure the devil had nothing to do with it09:56
MooDooczajkowski: good morning you non-techy you, seeing as you don't code :p09:56
MooDoo+1 popey09:56
CassullI have postponed it already one time09:56
oimonCassull: i can't predict when this will die out in london, maybe big rain might dampen things over the next couple of nights09:58
CassullI hope so09:58
oimonoxford and cambridge are nice this time of year :)09:58
Cassulloimon: do you live there?10:01
oimoni live on the edge of north london but work in the centre10:01
ali1234"Somebody needs to tell the BBC that a burnt out car happens in manchester whatever is going on..."10:06
ali1234lol, true10:06
Cassulloimon: do you have a car?10:08
Cassullor should I ask if you had a car?10:08
oimonCassull: yes, i do10:09
oimonali1234: yeah they denied it was realted, saying it was a routine occurence in salford10:10
Cassullis it safe to possess one?10:10
oimongenerally, or this week?10:10
Cassullthis week10:10
czajkowski6K ->16K police on the streets tonight :o10:11
ikoniaare you serious10:11
ikonia"is it safe to posses one"10:11
oimonyes, but i wouldnt' leave it parked on a high street in tottenham10:11
oimonmost damage has been caused to shops containing desirable goods10:13
MooDoolooking at twitter/facebook etc, it's almost like the uk has never seen riots before and they are new......sigh10:17
popeyOne of my friends is in the Met police, glad he's on holiday in Spain.10:17
popeyMooDoo: it is new for the twitter generation10:17
oimoni think they are being reaclled from holiday where poss10:17
popeymost were born after 198110:17
MooDooah suppose10:17
oimonMooDoo: i've never known widespread riots like this10:17
popeysuggestion of water cannon with tagged 'smart' water :D10:19
popeymake it easier to find the thugs10:19
MooDoopaintball guns with mace laces balls10:19
oimoni can't believe the govt haven't got the cannons out yet10:19
oimonunfortunately most of the top dogs have been on holiday10:20
czajkowskipopey: he's lucky he's in spain he may not have to be called back, all leave has been recalled just annoucned10:20
oimontheresa may obviously can't see the smoke rising from her gated mansion10:20
popeyczajkowski: he's not said owt on facebook for some hours10:21
popeyhe may well have been recalled10:22
oimoni saw footage in woolwich where 10 cops were overrun by a 100 yobs , they are outnumbered10:22
popeyhttp://wintsays.wordpress.com/ makes interesting reading10:23
czajkowskijust watching BBC live10:23
czajkowskiit was 13K they annouced which has now been bumped up to 16K10:23
czajkowskithey was only 6K out there last night10:23
oimonmy colleague who lives in hackney had to ride through a warzone on his bike to get his kids from nursery. he is WFH today10:24
davmor2morning all10:26
czajkowskihmm LUke Benstead are you about ?10:26
czajkowskicant remember the irc nick ?10:26
* davmor2 prods czajkowski hello trouble10:27
czajkowskihey I was good , was locked in doors 9 flights up inside a locked apartment complex!10:28
popeyczajkowski: kazade10:28
czajkowskipopey: thank you10:28
czajkowskikazade: shall be in the office on Thursday :)10:28
MooDoohullo davmor210:29
davmor2morning MooDoo :D10:30
MooDoodavmor2: hows it going buddy10:31
davmor2popey: I'd be sending the trumpet straight back to you for next year anyway ;) nice though put a smile on my face :)10:31
MooDoodavmor2: oh yeah you old <insert something here> ;) happy birthday10:32
czajkowskidavmor2: Happy Birthday old sod :)10:32
davmor2MooDoo: Ta, I'm good thanks has you seen the vid of the woman giving the yobs in hackney earache?10:33
MooDooyeah seen it but not actually watched it, i did however see a terrible one of a youth bleeding and then people helped him to his feed and then robbed him...#sadstatewerelivingin10:34
davmor2MooDoo: national service needs to come back10:35
MooDoodavmor2: damn right10:35
davmor2czajkowski: ta10:35
popeySir, yes sir!10:35
davmor2popey: MooDoo: national service, death penalty, and the 3 strikes rule, soon get prison numbers down :)10:36
MooDoodavmor2: all police armed too10:37
davmor2MooDoo: indeed10:37
HazRPGbrobostigon: Yay! My cars all fixed :)10:48
brobostigonHazRPG: :)10:49
MartijnVdSHazRPG: how many cars? :)10:49
MartijnVdSAlso.. your cars all fixed what? :P10:49
HazRPGMartijnVdS: car's* (or car is)10:50
MartijnVdSHazRPG: :)10:50
MartijnVdSso you have a place to sleep for oggcamp: the car ;)10:50
HazRPGbrobostigon: apparently it had 3 error codes showing up, but when they checked all those 3 things they were fine... and once they cleared the codes... the car was running fine... seems the car just wanted to be looked at lol10:51
davmor2MooDoo: my friend and I were working out insurance payout for a life over the cost of keeping someone in prison, turns out that it's cheaper to just kill convicts and the ones you get wrong payout and look happy and still save millions a year in taxpayers money :)10:51
HazRPGMartijnVdS: technically... but I think its illegal for one to sleep in a car...10:51
brobostigonHazRPG: ah, interesting.10:52
popeyHazRPG: dont think it is10:52
HazRPGI've done it before... and the service station staff started knocking on my car about about an hr...10:52
MartijnVdSHazRPG: find a more secluded place :)10:52
HazRPGMartijnVdS: heh :P10:52
popeythats private property, thats different10:53
MooDoodavmor2: ubuntu uk prison services.10:53
HazRPGpopey: yeah, but I'd already been in, had food and a drink... and the timer on the signs said I could stay there for 2hrs total before having to move or pay... my alarm was already set for about half hr after they started knocking on my car10:54
popeybut thats not against the law10:54
oimonHazRPG: what did they say when you said u'd only been there half hour?10:55
HazRPGpopey: they made it seem like it was, apparently they were going to report me... or at least that's what the lady said to me...10:55
oimonyou could say your wife is in the toilet with constipation and may be some time10:55
popeyHazRPG: they lied10:56
popeyanyway, as I said, it's trespass, not illegal to sleep in car10:57
oimoni slept in my own boot once. very uncomfortable sleeping on top of the spare wheel10:57
HazRPGoimon: I'm sure it is :P10:57
popeyI slept in my car in a service station once, had my arm behind my head, got a dead arm, woke up thinking it had been amputated10:58
HazRPGoimon: how did you get out though? My boot only opens from the outside10:58
oimonit was a golf hatchback10:58
popeyi haven't slept in the back of my volvo yet10:58
popeyI should try it, it goes completely flat10:58
oimonsome girls walked past early in the morning, saying awww poor thing10:58
popeywindows tend to steam up, and it gets cold, quickly10:59
oimoni had gone to peterborough rowing regatta on the spur of the moment and had a couple of drinks so couldn't drive home..didn't really plan ahead :)11:00
popeyoooo.. now _that_ can be a problem11:00
HazRPGoimon: ah, see my seats in my car are fantastic... they can go all the way back to an almost horizontal stage (they literally touch the back seats... otherwise I'd sure they'd go back even further!)11:00
popeyif you're in the car, drunk and in posession of the keys to the car, the police _could_ arrest you11:00
TheOpenSourcereroimon: You have to do something with your car keys...11:01
MooDoopopey: it's been done before.11:01
oimonyeah, thats why i got in the boot11:01
MooDoodrunk in charge of a vehicle11:01
oimonrather than the more comfy chairs11:01
MartijnVdSpopey: they can do that here as well, but only if you're in the driver's seat11:01
oimonand it was dubious how much alhocol in my system but i never drink after *any* alcohol11:02
oimonstill see smoke pouring from the sony warehouse in enfield :(11:02
MartijnVdSoimon: that's the one with all the indie music?11:02
HazRPGsee, I know someone who put their keys into the glove box, and slept in the passenger seat when he did that11:02
popeyHazRPG: sadly not sufficient11:03
HazRPGpopey: ah, your car goes completely flat too. Its great isn't it :)11:03
popeyyeah, must try it out sometime11:03
HazRPGpopey: it can be quite a novelty!11:03
HazRPGpopey: me and my friend at download... didn't fancy getting completely soaked... so we made a trek up to the car park, got in the car... turned the heating up to full... and just chilled out with the seats all the way back... fun times :)11:04
MartijnVdSoh is that what they call it these days :P11:05
HazRPGoimon: smoke from the sony warehouse?11:05
oimonHazRPG: yep11:05
MartijnVdSHazRPG: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-08/09/indie-labels-warehouse11:05
oimonyou can see it from all over london11:05
gordHazRPG, i'm going to take a wild guess and say its on fire11:05
MartijnVdSgord: ^11:06
gordMartijnVdS, i was being sarcastic and annoying ;)11:06
HazRPG<= no where near london11:06
MartijnVdSHazRPG: if you can see it from where you are, phear :)11:06
oimonHazRPG: footage here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/09/sony_warehouse_london_riots/11:07
HazRPGoimon: I'll watch that in a moment, need to quickly get into town to sort something out, just realised the time11:08
HazRPGspeak to you all later :)11:10
brobostigonmeeting tonight.11:10
* daubers has half built a mirror for oggcamp now11:13
oimonMartijnVdS: you know what's stupid about that warehouse? it was prob 10 kids looting it for computer games and they burned down a 20,000sq m warehouse :(11:20
MartijnVdSoimon: I don't understand the rioting thing11:31
directhexoimon, wasn't even SCEE anyway. CD distribution, afaik.11:33
oimonit seems it just needs a spark for a certain section of the community to go on the rampage with blatant acts of lawlessness :(11:35
brobostigonany other androids, that have a real keyboard, like the htc dream/g1 ?11:37
oimonhtc desire z?11:37
brobostigonthank you oimon11:38
oimonbrobostigon: i think also the sony experia , but it has a small screen and is rubbish IMO11:39
oimona colleague has it and was on v1.6 for ages11:39
brobostigonoimon: ah, ok.11:40
czajkowskihmmm in the UK 9 months, good god that flew!!11:41
directhexkeyboardy androids i can only think of the desire z, and xperia x10 mini pro11:41
brobostigonthank you all.11:41
directhexkeyboards are out of fashion.11:42
oimoni wanted to get the desire z11:42
oimonbut already had a desire11:42
oimonand didn't they put a weaker processor in the Z?11:42
directhexfor windows phone 7, there's the dell venue pro11:42
brobostigoni really would prefer having a real keyboard, virtual keyboards just dont feel right.11:43
davmor2czajkowski: oi prod England! there are parts of Ireland that are in the UK you ever live, stop, visit there?11:43
oimondoes the playstation phone have a keybaord or just a paddle?11:44
czajkowskidavmor2: only place I've not visted in scotland in 9 months!11:45
oimonscotlands a bit cold innit?11:46
directhexoimon, just the gamepad bit.11:48
oimonmaybe there will be a bluetooth add on game pad for the rest of us11:48
directhexbrobostigon, those three, plus the upcoming palm pre3, are the only real-keyboard phones i can think of right now11:48
oimonpalm pre3 runs what? webos?11:48
brobostigondirecthex: ok, thank you, the pre3 could be interesting.11:49
oimonwould love webos to take off11:49
davmor2czajkowski: Jersey, Guernsey, the Falklands, Isle of Wight.............11:49
directhexgah, i suck11:49
directhexthere are several more11:49
directhexblackberries have keyboards11:49
directhexand there are android phones with non-slide keyboards like the htc chacha and samsung galaxy pro11:49
oimonblackberries are lameriffic though11:50
directhexyeah, they suck.11:50
oimonused to have a huge pile of dead ones in my drawer at work11:50
directhexoh, there are some symiab phones with keyboards too ^_^11:52
brobostigonn900 for example.11:53
directhexapparently orange have an own-brand non-slide keyboard android phone or two, too11:53
davmor2oimon: the bluk of the android phone that have keyboards slide, Motorola milestone 1,2 &3, and a bunch of others the majority though are touchscreen only11:53
directhexbrobostigon, n900 isn't symbian11:54
brobostigondirecthex: true, fair point,11:54
brobostigondirecthex: my mind was wandering around nokias, as you mentioned synbian.11:54
ikoniadirecthex: fyi, more delays12:08
directhexikonia, you're kidding12:09
ikoniacontractual disputes12:09
ikoniaminor terms apprantly12:09
directhexthey announced this thing in february12:09
ikoniadon't know any more12:09
directhexthe spec is already midrange12:09
daubersWhats been delayed?12:09
directhexdaubers, pre312:10
daubersdirecthex: Ah! Glad I didn't wait for that now12:10
directhexdaubers, indeed. and i'm frustrated, because i REALLY want to replace my phone SOON.12:11
daubersdirecthex: The cost of the touchpad also put me off it a bit12:11
ikoniadirecthex: I have 2 cans of beans and some string12:12
ali1234why the pre3 is delayed: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF071-Weeaboo.gif12:13
directhexdaubers, touchpad price seems pretty normal compared to the competition12:13
BernhardHow can i setup a new server with /boot not on LVM and the rest on LVM.. i cant seem to find to good guide..12:13
directhexikonia, which would be more reliable than the Hero12:13
directhexBernhard, use the text-mode "alternate" installer12:14
Bernhardi select that from the server install cd ?12:15
directhexoh, the server install cd works too12:17
Myrttiooh, new PBF12:17
directhexserver install & alternative install are the same, other than the default packages12:17
czajkowskipopey: is it ok where you are?12:47
popeyseems like rumours right now czajkowski12:52
popeyi got told by the IT department who dont want to come and fix my laptop12:52
MooDooit's rumours here too....another night of small riots planned :S12:53
gordmore looting in cornwall =\ http://i.imgur.com/C5XQm.gif12:54
MooDoofires in a tyre container here12:54
balorIs colord supported in Lucid?13:02
seekerThis is just insane13:04
MooDooseeker: ?13:05
seekerMooDoo: London stuff13:05
MooDooseeker: oh i know....sad isn't it.13:05
hamitronpopey: your minecraft server uses the default port?13:09
MooDoois that where you are now czajkowski ?13:11
czajkowskiMooDoo: yup13:11
czajkowskiapartment block looking down on it13:11
czajkowskibut paint is from last night13:11
czajkowskibut Nandos is closed13:11
MooDoowow, that close...13:11
czajkowskias is one of the pubs13:11
czajkowskiand Market is closed13:11
MooDooczajkowski: 9th floor up yeah?13:12
popeyyes hamitron13:19
czajkowskibah why is it jobs I apply for and get through the process go on hold due to other jobs :( bugger13:21
davmor2czajkowski: here have a virtual jammy dodger and everything will feel better13:22
czajkowskicant even go to the shops13:22
MooDoo:(   have you got enough stuff in though?13:23
davmor2I'll bring stuff with me if you can hold out till Sunday ;)13:23
y0rp2rHello, I'm having trouble with nautilus. Does anyone know how to get it to show the full path name?13:25
davmor2y0rp2r: control+l13:25
y0rp2rAh, thanks. There used to be a button in the old version, where has that gone?13:27
ali1234y0rp2r: it was removed13:29
y0rp2rMan, that sucks13:31
y0rp2rI found it useful13:31
ali1234this was a upstream gnome change btw13:32
ali1234can't blame canonical for this one13:32
lubotu3Gnome bug 605608 in Path Bar "Reintroduce location/path bar toggle button" [Major,Unconfirmed]13:33
ali1234go give em hell on that bug, if you like13:33
y0rp2rDoesn't seem much use, the GNOME devs seem determined to make everything idiot proof13:47
krimzon2they succeeded - I'm an idiot and even I can't do everything I used to be able to in 213:48
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* daubers beats the samba developer docs with a big fat stick14:11
Myrttiargh, I'm feeling sugarhigh and silly14:12
MooDooMyrtti: that's not a bad thing though14:15
Myrttiit is if it involves planning how to spend ridiculous amounts of someone elses money on silly things14:16
PendulumMyrtti: I dunno, that almost makes it the better time feel sugar high and silly14:17
czajkowskiok this is just crazy14:17
czajkowskiall the shops are closed14:17
czajkowskiall pubs are closed, betting shops, tesco, iceland14:18
czajkowskiall except whiterspoons14:18
kazadeczajkowski: sounds like shops are closing all over London :/14:18
kazadelots of sirens in Victoria...14:18
Pendulumczajkowski: I hope you guys have food and supplies to get through the next couple days?14:21
czajkowskiPendulum: that;'s the thing kinda...14:22
czajkowskiroll on Friday and escaping to Aldershot and Farnham!14:22
czajkowskijust got to corner store and got milk and bread14:22
Pendulumat least you know you can go to wetherspoons for a pint?14:26
czajkowskiwith all the drunktards. they;ll be the ones kicking it off14:28
brobostigonyes, best stay away from mass drunkard, and busy pubs.14:31
HazRPGtime to watch/read those links... my friends were telling me about it this afternoon14:49
HazRPGbrobostigon: thanks :)14:49
brobostigonyoure welcome.14:49
HazRPGwow, that's mega14:51
HazRPGwhy did the fire brigade not try to put it out straight away?14:51
HazRPGall night, and all the way into the morning...14:51
HazRPGthat's serious14:51
brobostigonone of the many riot fires?14:51
HazRPGbrobostigon: yeah, the sony centre one14:52
HazRPGsony warehouse*14:52
brobostigonHazRPG: ah, i see,14:52
brobostigoneeek, several police cars just went past, on the main road, rather loudly.14:52
brobostigonand i am around 1/2 mile away from the main road.14:53
directhexmain distrubution center in the UK for sony music & dvds14:53
hamitronmy local police force has announced they've sent their specialist units to London..... time for some fun here now :/14:55
hamitronI'd expect forces to be moved, but not for it to be announced on tv14:56
* hamitron sighs14:56
directhexhamitron, sky news have a ticker, reporting on which areas don't have adequate police coverage14:57
popeyhttp://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/ is fun14:57
hamitrondirecthex: criminal tools ftl14:57
hamitroncheck out the area, draw up plans on images from google maps..... attack14:58
ikoniapopey: is that blog updated ?14:58
ikoniaare they real image ?14:59
ikoniaimages ?14:59
ikonia(as in modified)14:59
popeyre-read the url :D14:59
ikoniaor just random images of different events15:00
ikoniapopey: I didn't at first, second time I did, I wondering are they real images that have been modded15:00
ikoniaI'm wondering if some of these yobs should be made to wear a tutu15:01
ikonialose some of their cool15:01
popeyI particularly like the guy with the dolls house15:01
ikoniathe snake is good15:02
ikoniaand mallets mallet15:02
kazadethe snake is awesome :)15:04
HazRPGheh, interesting photos :P15:20
kazadeeveryone is being sent home...15:24
ikoniafrom where ?15:25
kazadeGoogle and my company15:25
kazadeand my friends are from where they work15:25
MooDoowow :@)15:25
czajkowskikazade: :o15:33
kazadeinteresting sales trend on Amazon.co.uk over the last 24 hours: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/movers-and-shakers/sports/ref=zg_bs_tab15:56
davmor2kazade: the pannier rack is obviously there to help people wheel away those heavy big screen tv's right?16:06
koolhead17hi all16:34
koolhead17this channel has someting to do with ubuntu-berlin?16:37
davmor2koolhead17: Ah no this is Ubuntu UK as in the United Kingdom  ubuntu-de maybe16:40
koolhead17https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBerlin#English_Version :P16:41
anderson_this is ubuntu help ?17:03
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Azelphur!ask | anderson_17:09
lubotu3anderson_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)17:09
Seeker`Azelphur: He did ask a question :P17:34
daubersAlanBell: One camera acquired! Class 6 SDHC works fine, PiTiVi takes a lifetime to render anything17:37
Seeker`Waterstone's employee on the news: "we'll stay open, if they steal some books they might learn something"17:55
AlanBelldaubers: cool, do you have a chance at a second camera?19:34
daubersAlanBell: yup :)19:36
popeyevening all19:36
emHey what's going on in the UK right now. Are there riots happening where any of you are?19:41
brobostigonmeeting time, in 20mins.19:42
brobostigonem: neatest to me, is brum, i am about 3/4 of an hour drive north of oxford.19:43
TheOpenSourcererJust reading about the Ubuntu Orchestra Project: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2011/08/formal-introduction-to-ubuntu-orchestra.html19:47
ali1234good news everyone. someone made a ppa with a proposed fix for bug 77261219:49
lubotu3Launchpad bug 772612 in compiz (Ubuntu Natty) "maximized window is displaced" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77261219:49
AlanBellquite right brobostigon19:51
brobostigonAlanBell: forgot?19:51
AlanBellslightly :)19:51
brobostigonno worries :)19:51
emThe riots in the UK are now being used to justify more control of the internet -- http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVA4KhIWOZwHkvpVfComcpQPUPvg?docId=f803a6444ad74b0fa892ed4b2fe68bb319:55
AlanBellI had a blackberry for a few years, never figured out the messaging thing at all19:57
ali1234bbm is wildly popular with teenagers for some reason19:57
AlanBellperhaps if I was wearing a hoodie I would be better with mobile technology19:57
brobostigoni have never actually really had a good play with a blackberry, at all.19:58
ali1234well, bbm anyway19:58
ali1234blackberry messenger19:58
* AlanBell goes to pour beer for the meeting19:59
brobostigonohm, yes, sorry.19:59
AlanBellwhich is over in #ubuntu-uk-meeting in a sec19:59
AlanBelland will be covering oggcamp and the reapproval application19:59
hmmmQuestion... Does anyone know what happened to the Reconstructor app? Did it get renamed or abandoned?20:14
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brobostigonis it possible to rearrange irssi windows around?21:01
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: /win move x21:01
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: moves the current window to the xth position21:02
brobostigonMartijnVdS: cool,. thank you.21:02
MartijnVdS( don't know what it does with the window currently in that place.. switch it I think)21:02
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, it just shifted, i mean, switched them around.21:03
Andres-kaingood night everyone. I have a mailing list etiquette questio21:05
MartijnVdSAndres-kain: shoot :)21:05
Andres-kainn: i just saw a linux related job vacancy21:06
Andres-kainwould it be ok to send it to the mailin lis?21:07
popeywhere did you see it?21:07
popeyThere is a UK linuxjobs mailing list21:07
Andres-kainthe thing is I'm not looking for a job inliux related or othewise. came across it in linkedin21:09
popeyI wouldn't want the list to become a job list21:10
popeygiven there's already a UK one21:10
popey(I'm an admin of)21:10
Andres-kainok, just checking!21:11
popeyIt's also better for the person advertising the job to post it, rather than them being forwarded on by peolpe who find them21:11
popeythansk for asking21:11
Andres-kaini will definately not paste it here ;) you are welcome21:12
Andres-kainwould you be interested in a private message with a pasebin?21:16
Andres-kainfor your mailing list21:16
popeyfeel free to post the pastebin link here21:17
Andres-kainhum, broken link: was to a page from KLA-Tencor | careers.21:23
Andres-kainso much to fuz about nothing.21:24
thefamousnomo_unable to log into hotmail with chromium v1221:57
thefamousnomo_also facebook rendering vstrangely...21:57
thefamousnomo_any ideas?21:58
thefamousnomo_(quick twitter search shows a few users with similar probs...)21:58
locodir-user__do you know how to get rid of "Unlock keyring" in chrome?  Using 1.0422:00
AlanBelllocodir-user__: that is a known problem with chrome saw that a week or so ago22:06
AlanBellif it is any consolation it particularly affects people working at google22:06
brobostigonit isnt here in gnome3, on debian sid, with chromium 15.0.847.022:07
locodir-user__thanks alan22:08
locodir-user__by the way, anyone using a wacom? do you know how to configure left and right limits?22:08
AlanBelllocodir-user__: at this time you might want to ask in #ubuntu, it is getting late22:09
locodir-user__thanks again!22:10
AlanBellthat is the chrome bug22:10
brobostigonAlanBell: chrome aswell as chromium ?22:11
AlanBelldunno, didn't read it in detail22:13
brobostigonok, because i was going to say, i didnt experience that issue with 11.04 with chromium.22:13
brobostigonwithin gnome3.22:14
AlanBellyeah, there is a particular set of circumstances that causes it22:14
brobostigonah, ok.22:14
AlanBellin google it seems to be the nsf mounted home directories or something22:14
directhexbrobostigon, :|22:14
brobostigondirecthex: ?22:14
AlanBellprobably a timing issue or something22:15
directhexyour retweet22:15
brobostigondirecthex: ah, yes, i just felt like retweeting that.22:15
brobostigondirecthex: maybe a less than wise decision.22:15
brobostigondirecthex: you have retweeted it aswell.22:16
brobostigongood night, sleep well everyone.22:19
HazRPGwell this is rather odd... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-1445842422:37
HazRPGshows how "intelligent" some people are...22:38
AzelphurUnder the Digital Economy Act, officials were  allowed to ask the court to block Web sites dedicated to copyright  infringement. A review of that law, however, "concluded the provisions  as they stand would not be effective, according to U.K. communications  regulator Ofcom (Office of Communications). As a result, "the Government  will not bring forward the Act’s site-blocking provisions at this  time."23:05
AzelphurYAY, winning.23:06

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