[00:03] has no one started to think that this might all just because of a variation of a rage virus? i should start stocking up on cricket bats just in case, i'm well trained for this eventuality [00:06] wow [00:07] apparently water canon aren't authorised for use in mainland britain [00:07] if they decide to use them they'll have to bring them over from NI [00:11] on a hot summers day, i'm not sure water canons will have a desired effect ;) [00:16] dunno [00:16] might make people cool off a bit :P [00:16] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ll=51.558503%2C-0.055275&spn=0.114195%2C0.298691 [00:54] water cannons aren't gentle. [00:54] generally the UK police forces don't mess around with munitions - e.g. our CS spray is 5x stronger than what they use in the US [00:54] but we won't use water cannons with fairly good reason. [00:55] do we not currently have a fairly good reason? [03:05] morning all [06:22] #j /oggcamp [06:22] fail [06:22] morning [06:23] AlanBell: 04:05 < AlanBell> morning all [06:23] ^^^tad early [06:29] hey anyone with the Ubuntu 11.04 actually i m facing a strange scenario...!! [06:29] what's the problem harry_ ? [06:30] yes actually when ever i change the language at the time of login the locale $lang is not getting set to the langauge which i have selected...!! [06:36] harry_: only ever stuck with one language I'm afraid. However it seems as though switching languages isn't quite as seemless as it could be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingLanguages [06:40] Yes its happening for all the languages and the link which u provided has true discription for all the verions of Ubuntu below 11.04 means uptill 10.10 but its not true for Ubuntu 11.04 [06:41] danfish:Yes its happening for all the languages and the link which u provided has true discription for all the verions of Ubuntu below 11.04 means uptill 10.10 but its not true for Ubuntu 11.04 [06:46] harry_: this probably isn't the best place for that question, I doubt many people here have switched languages [06:46] is it the en_GB translation you are trying to use? [06:49] AlanBell: no what i m trying to say is that 1) Chnage the Langauge at the time of Login 2) Open Terminal and type $LANG ( use to get the locale lanaguge) and see the output even if we choose arabic at login time $LANG will dispaly the wrong output...:! [06:51] got a bug number? [06:52] AlanBell:i provide you the link [06:52] AlanBell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/820333 [06:52] Ubuntu bug 820333 in Ubuntu "Regional Formats" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:53] lubotu3:yes its seems like a bug [06:53] harry_: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [06:54] lol thats fine every intelligent person use to say like that....:) [06:55] labotu3:still if u can help in some way thats appreciated .. [06:56] !botsnack [06:56] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [06:57] so it is confirmed, I have no idea what package it should be against [06:57] I would have thought #ubuntu-translators would be a better channel to discuss the issue [06:58] AlanBell:okay thanks for the help AlanBell and lubotu3 [07:01] Seems every one is busy on #ububntu-translators :( [07:02] harry_: Or possibly not yet awake. [07:03] Yes i also worried about it...:) [07:45] morning all [07:50] Morning [08:00] morning all [08:01] silly question really, everyone ok #riots? [08:02] hey anyone with the Ubuntu 11.04 actually i m facing a strange scenario...!! [08:02] harry_, jsut ask away, lots of people probably running it here [08:02] Someone will answer I expect [08:03] A question for myself here, I'm writing a parser for awstats txt files in python at the mo [08:03] diplo:yes may be all r wake up now... [08:03] If I want to share this, what is the best way ? Via launchpad ? [08:04] github [08:04] heh, still not played with git [08:04] Suppose it may be time to learn [08:04] * AlanBell likes bzr and launchpad [08:04] hey everyone..want to know about "loacle" in Ubuntu 11.04 about lanaguge selection at the time of login/... [08:04] launchpad is great if you only want to share with ubuntu users [08:04] everyone else understands that git is far far superior to bazaar [08:05] AlanBell, can I just use it to host python files etc rather than a ppa/package ? [08:05] diplo: yes, you can [08:05] Cool, will take a look now. [08:06] May host it on both, I think it may be of use to people so it's a start for me to contribute :) [08:06] ali1234: yes, github is good too [08:06] ali1234, thanks as well [08:06] superficially there is no difference between git and bazaar (what launchpad uses) [08:07] See if I get shouted at for sh*t coding of python ( using it as a learning curve ) as not wrote any python till this week [08:10] most people don't care what you are using to be honest, choice of repository is more of a maintainer task [08:11] diplo:when i change the langauge at the time of login the "locale" variable is not getting change as per the language selected at the time of login in ubuntu 11.04 [08:14] harry_, not using naatty myself but a quick google has people with same issue [08:14] They have installed / re-installed the language packs with results [08:14] Have you tried that ? [08:15] yes everything can u just share that link which u googled out?? [08:17] This was pre release, but it's http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1713129 [08:17] harry_: you have a confirmed bug, what is your question? [08:18] AlanBell:yes i did here is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/820333 [08:18] Ubuntu bug 820333 in Ubuntu "Regional Formats" [Undecided,Confirmed] [08:19] ok, so what do you want to know now? [08:20] I just want to know that do u guys have any information about it ?? have u ever faced such thing wile working f yes then how u resolve it ??? or what bi have to do to resolve the issues now....i need guides on that simply... [08:22] dunno, set the variable manually maybe? [08:23] what problems does it cause? [08:23] AlanBell: no that not the solution i want to set it as the time of login...not manually [08:25] so all other languages are having this problem? [08:26] AlanBell: yes with all the languages this issues is there... [08:26] and what problem does it cause? [08:26] harry_: You know you can set the language from GDM? [08:27] jpds:what r u saying if u can elaborate it?? [08:27] harry_: When you click on your username in the login window, you get a language option at the bottom of the screen. [08:27] jpds: he is doing that, it isn't setting $lang or $locale apparently [08:27] Morning all! [08:27] Hmm, weird. [08:28] morning JamesTait [08:28] jpds:yes exatlly what AlanBell said i m doing that thing and its not setting the $LANG in locale [08:28] I would have expected if this were the case, and causing problems, the french and spanish teams would be getting a bit concerned [08:28] My desktop is fine in the language I set it to. [08:29] harry_: why is this not causing big problems for users? [08:29] jpds:try env | grep LANG and show me the result [08:30] harry_: what are the consequences of the environment variable not being set? Why would anyone care? [08:30] harry_: My shells are always set to LANG=en_GB. [08:30] AlanBell : becuase as the normal user its not creating a big problem because mostly they use to work with thier locale lanague whcih they use to set manually from LAngauge Support in system Settings...or most iof the users use English only... [08:30] Morning all [08:31] jpds:yes thats what i m saying its not getting change locale lanaguage [08:31] harry_: Checked GDM_LANG and LANGUAGE ? [08:33] but GDM_LANG only gives langauge code ( two letter code ) not the countyr code.As there are many flaviours of same language like Arabic(Saudi arabia) Arabic(Iraq) and so on... [08:34] harry_: ah, so you are saying $lang is always set to the machine default settings, not the per-user preference, so someone with their whole machine set to french would be fine [08:34] Yeah, that's what I have. [08:35] $lang only chnage when we change it manually from the Regional Formate of the Language Support in System Settings.... [08:36] But uptill 10.10 $lang is set as per the user selection at the time of login.. [08:36] woke up to a burning smoke filled skyline today :( [08:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GdmLanguageSelectorDissonance [08:38] related to bug 553162 [08:38] Launchpad bug 553162 in gdm (Ubuntu) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 [08:38] harry_: Have you tried setting the LANGUAGE varible? [08:38] harry_: I think your bug should be assigned to gdm [08:38] jpds:but i dont want it to do manually i want it to set by the user indipent of the manually settings... [08:39] AlanBell:yes can u tell me where should i post to gdm if know?? [08:39] I just did [08:40] AlanBell::okay link pls.. [08:40] Blah, works fine for me. [08:41] jpds:what?? [08:42] Setting the language via GDM. [08:42] how u did it?? [08:44] harry_: Err, with the langauge option at the login window as it's normally done? [08:45] jpds:can u just tell me the steps u have performed ? [09:01] Ugh.... The news :/ [09:02] hi, I am trying to get used to seeing what is in Bash history, problem is, the list is so long I only get part of it, and about half is missing, plus, is there anyway to fond out who has been using the commands? [09:02] How do I get the list of all commands [09:02] in the history [09:03] history [09:03] yeh [09:03] done that one [09:03] just type it and pipe it to more :) [09:03] how do I do that [09:03] history | more [09:03] ah [09:03] ok, will give it a try [09:04] and when you run it, it only shows the history of the current user, other users have their own bash_history [09:04] actually it only shows the history of the current tty [09:04] jpds:no dude its not for me actually they are talking about the previouse release of i.. [09:04] which is incredibly annoying since who only has one tty? [09:04] ali1234: thanks :) [09:05] it also has little or nothing to do with .bash_history [09:07] is there any way I can get a history of all commands against against the user? [09:07] and what is tty? [09:08] no and teletype [09:08] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tty_%28Unix%29 [09:08] well, that wikipedia page is astoundingly unhelpful [09:09] am i missing something, doesn't bash_history tell you what commands the user has used....although i am looking at my centos box lol [09:09] no [09:09] it tells you *some* of the commands the user has used, but not all of them [09:10] same for history, but it gives you a completely different subset [09:11] actually it looks like it works like this: [09:11] each instance of bash holds it's history in memory [09:11] when you exit it writes that out to .bash_history, overwriting what was previously there [09:11] yeah, so if you have lots of terminals open, you miss stuff [09:12] also if you prefix with a space, that doesnt go in the history [09:12] or if you accidentally prefix with a space [09:12] ali1234: used one of these? http://mymobile.three.co.uk:8080/mymobile/Huawei/E353/overview.html [09:12] no [09:12] they look "nice" [09:12] only the free one is the one i've "used" [09:12] and i've never actually used it [09:12] i just use my phone [09:12] heh [09:20] Good morning peoples :) [09:20] i've got a huawei stick thing somewhere... i only bought it for the SIM, to put direct into the laptop [09:20] bigcalm, me, pretty depressing morning tbh, given last night :/ [09:22] :( [09:22] directhex: nottingham got it last night too [09:23] MooDoo, anywhere with disgusting opportunistic thieves got it. [09:23] lolyeah [09:26] morning lads [09:26] morning hoover [09:30] morning [09:31] yes [09:32] what is going on in england? I've just read the news [09:32] :( [09:32] what news? [09:32] london's getting trashed [09:32] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14450248 [09:33] oi [09:33] sounds like the 80s all over again 8( [09:33] it's so depressing [09:33] the bbc link looks promising though: "live england riots" [09:34] left work early yesterday to try and avoid things, and ended up going through hackney at 4.30pm while shops were being looted [09:35] darn, I actually wanted to have my holidays there [09:35] not a nice situation to find yourself in I guess 8( [09:35] there'll be nothing left if the army don't come in soon [09:35] Cassull: Do not get this out of perspective. [09:35] i'll blow over it always does [09:35] Oh please [09:35] Back to work :) [09:36] Cassull: its not like the whole country is on fire [09:36] Cassull: where were you planning on visiting? [09:37] o/ czajkowski [09:38] MooDoo: I wanted to go to london for a couple of days and then travel through the country [09:39] Cassull: when? [09:39] the country is lovely at this time of year [09:39] and there's a _lot_ of it [09:40] Most of London is fine too. [09:40] London is rather large. [09:40] that too [09:40] good morning everyone. [09:40] mornin brob [09:40] morning hoover [09:40] well north london isn't doing too well guys [09:41] is oxford and cambridge ok? [09:41] I wanted to go there too [09:41] oimon: What? All of North London or a few streets? [09:42] you haven't seen London if you haven't seen a riot ;-) [09:42] * hoover 's brother in law's from London, tough as nails [09:43] TheOpenSourcerer: main high streets and travel routes through n london [09:44] my route home takes it views of hackney , tottenham and enfield [09:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_London [09:45] Cassull: i wouldn't worry to be honest.....when you planning on coming? [09:45] Cassull: it's more than likely that the places you want to visit won't be effected. [09:47] http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&ll=51.536086%2C-0.056305&spn=0.39294%2C0.630341&z=10 [09:48] now, make those icons _actual_ size [09:48] rather than looking like entire bouroughs are on fire, just single buildings as is actually the case [09:49] not true - the rampaging in enfield covered the town centre and spread for a few miles eastwards to ponders end and towards tottenham [09:49] buildings and cars were trashed over a wide area [09:50] MooDoo: I wanted to go this week, but I think I will better postbone it at least for 2 or three month [09:52] oimon: thats not the case for all the icons on that map [09:54] each icon on the map in n london around the A10 road leading from central london is near another icon ~ 1 mile away. similarly around inner london [09:54] Hi [09:54] aloha [09:55] but it just had to happen... I mean, hell it's like the devil himself plays a trick on me [09:56] pretty sure the devil had nothing to do with it [09:56] czajkowski: good morning you non-techy you, seeing as you don't code :p [09:56] +1 popey [09:56] I have postponed it already one time [09:58] Cassull: i can't predict when this will die out in london, maybe big rain might dampen things over the next couple of nights [09:58] I hope so [09:58] oxford and cambridge are nice this time of year :) [10:01] oimon: do you live there? [10:01] i live on the edge of north london but work in the centre [10:06] "Somebody needs to tell the BBC that a burnt out car happens in manchester whatever is going on..." [10:06] lol, true [10:08] oimon: do you have a car? [10:08] or should I ask if you had a car? [10:09] ;) [10:09] Cassull: yes, i do [10:10] ali1234: yeah they denied it was realted, saying it was a routine occurence in salford [10:10] is it safe to possess one? [10:10] generally, or this week? [10:10] this week [10:11] 6K ->16K police on the streets tonight :o [10:11] are you serious [10:11] "is it safe to posses one" [10:11] yes, but i wouldnt' leave it parked on a high street in tottenham [10:13] most damage has been caused to shops containing desirable goods [10:17] looking at twitter/facebook etc, it's almost like the uk has never seen riots before and they are new......sigh [10:17] One of my friends is in the Met police, glad he's on holiday in Spain. [10:17] MooDoo: it is new for the twitter generation [10:17] i think they are being reaclled from holiday where poss [10:17] most were born after 1981 [10:17] ah suppose [10:17] MooDoo: i've never known widespread riots like this [10:19] suggestion of water cannon with tagged 'smart' water :D [10:19] make it easier to find the thugs [10:19] paintball guns with mace laces balls [10:19] i can't believe the govt haven't got the cannons out yet [10:20] unfortunately most of the top dogs have been on holiday [10:20] popey: he's lucky he's in spain he may not have to be called back, all leave has been recalled just annoucned [10:20] theresa may obviously can't see the smoke rising from her gated mansion [10:21] czajkowski: he's not said owt on facebook for some hours [10:22] he may well have been recalled [10:22] i saw footage in woolwich where 10 cops were overrun by a 100 yobs , they are outnumbered [10:23] http://wintsays.wordpress.com/ makes interesting reading [10:23] just watching BBC live [10:23] it was 13K they annouced which has now been bumped up to 16K [10:23] they was only 6K out there last night [10:24] my colleague who lives in hackney had to ride through a warzone on his bike to get his kids from nursery. he is WFH today [10:26] morning all [10:26] hmm LUke Benstead are you about ? [10:26] cant remember the irc nick ? [10:27] * davmor2 prods czajkowski hello trouble [10:28] hey I was good , was locked in doors 9 flights up inside a locked apartment complex! [10:28] czajkowski: kazade [10:28] popey: thank you [10:28] kazade: shall be in the office on Thursday :) [10:29] hullo davmor2 [10:30] morning MooDoo :D [10:31] davmor2: hows it going buddy [10:31] popey: I'd be sending the trumpet straight back to you for next year anyway ;) nice though put a smile on my face :) [10:32] davmor2: oh yeah you old ;) happy birthday [10:32] davmor2: Happy Birthday old sod :) [10:33] MooDoo: Ta, I'm good thanks has you seen the vid of the woman giving the yobs in hackney earache? [10:34] yeah seen it but not actually watched it, i did however see a terrible one of a youth bleeding and then people helped him to his feed and then robbed him...#sadstatewerelivingin [10:35] MooDoo: national service needs to come back [10:35] davmor2: damn right [10:35] czajkowski: ta [10:35] Sir, yes sir! [10:36] popey: MooDoo: national service, death penalty, and the 3 strikes rule, soon get prison numbers down :) [10:37] davmor2: all police armed too [10:37] MooDoo: indeed [10:48] brobostigon: Yay! My cars all fixed :) [10:49] HazRPG: :) [10:49] HazRPG: how many cars? :) [10:49] Also.. your cars all fixed what? :P [10:49] [10:50] MartijnVdS: car's* (or car is) [10:50] :0 [10:50] :)* [10:50] HazRPG: :) [10:50] so you have a place to sleep for oggcamp: the car ;) [10:51] brobostigon: apparently it had 3 error codes showing up, but when they checked all those 3 things they were fine... and once they cleared the codes... the car was running fine... seems the car just wanted to be looked at lol [10:51] MooDoo: my friend and I were working out insurance payout for a life over the cost of keeping someone in prison, turns out that it's cheaper to just kill convicts and the ones you get wrong payout and look happy and still save millions a year in taxpayers money :) [10:51] MartijnVdS: technically... but I think its illegal for one to sleep in a car... [10:52] HazRPG: ah, interesting. [10:52] HazRPG: dont think it is [10:52] I've done it before... and the service station staff started knocking on my car about about an hr... [10:52] HazRPG: find a more secluded place :) [10:52] MartijnVdS: heh :P [10:53] thats private property, thats different [10:53] davmor2: ubuntu uk prison services. [10:54] popey: yeah, but I'd already been in, had food and a drink... and the timer on the signs said I could stay there for 2hrs total before having to move or pay... my alarm was already set for about half hr after they started knocking on my car [10:54] sure [10:54] but thats not against the law [10:55] HazRPG: what did they say when you said u'd only been there half hour? [10:55] popey: they made it seem like it was, apparently they were going to report me... or at least that's what the lady said to me... [10:55] you could say your wife is in the toilet with constipation and may be some time [10:56] http://i.imgur.com/sFfem.jpg [10:56] HazRPG: they lied [10:57] anyway, as I said, it's trespass, not illegal to sleep in car [10:57] ah [10:57] i slept in my own boot once. very uncomfortable sleeping on top of the spare wheel [10:57] oimon: I'm sure it is :P [10:58] I slept in my car in a service station once, had my arm behind my head, got a dead arm, woke up thinking it had been amputated [10:58] oimon: how did you get out though? My boot only opens from the outside [10:58] it was a golf hatchback [10:58] i haven't slept in the back of my volvo yet [10:58] I should try it, it goes completely flat [10:58] some girls walked past early in the morning, saying awww poor thing [10:59] windows tend to steam up, and it gets cold, quickly [11:00] i had gone to peterborough rowing regatta on the spur of the moment and had a couple of drinks so couldn't drive home..didn't really plan ahead :) [11:00] oooo.. now _that_ can be a problem [11:00] oimon: ah, see my seats in my car are fantastic... they can go all the way back to an almost horizontal stage (they literally touch the back seats... otherwise I'd sure they'd go back even further!) [11:00] if you're in the car, drunk and in posession of the keys to the car, the police _could_ arrest you [11:01] oimon: You have to do something with your car keys... [11:01] popey: it's been done before. [11:01] yeah, thats why i got in the boot [11:01] drunk in charge of a vehicle [11:01] rather than the more comfy chairs [11:01] popey: they can do that here as well, but only if you're in the driver's seat [11:02] and it was dubious how much alhocol in my system but i never drink after *any* alcohol [11:02] still see smoke pouring from the sony warehouse in enfield :( [11:02] oimon: that's the one with all the indie music? [11:02] see, I know someone who put their keys into the glove box, and slept in the passenger seat when he did that [11:03] HazRPG: sadly not sufficient [11:03] popey: ah, your car goes completely flat too. Its great isn't it :) [11:03] yeah, must try it out sometime [11:03] popey: it can be quite a novelty! [11:04] popey: me and my friend at download... didn't fancy getting completely soaked... so we made a trek up to the car park, got in the car... turned the heating up to full... and just chilled out with the seats all the way back... fun times :) [11:05] oh is that what they call it these days :P [11:05] oimon: smoke from the sony warehouse? [11:05] HazRPG: yep [11:05] HazRPG: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-08/09/indie-labels-warehouse [11:05] you can see it from all over london [11:05] HazRPG, i'm going to take a wild guess and say its on fire [11:06] gord: ^ [11:06] indeed [11:06] MartijnVdS, i was being sarcastic and annoying ;) [11:06] lol [11:06] <= no where near london [11:06] HazRPG: if you can see it from where you are, phear :) [11:07] :P [11:07] HazRPG: footage here http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/09/sony_warehouse_london_riots/ [11:08] oimon: I'll watch that in a moment, need to quickly get into town to sort something out, just realised the time [11:10] speak to you all later :) [11:10] \o [11:10] o/ [11:10] meeting tonight. [11:13] * daubers has half built a mirror for oggcamp now [11:20] MartijnVdS: you know what's stupid about that warehouse? it was prob 10 kids looting it for computer games and they burned down a 20,000sq m warehouse :( [11:31] oimon: I don't understand the rioting thing [11:33] oimon, wasn't even SCEE anyway. CD distribution, afaik. [11:35] it seems it just needs a spark for a certain section of the community to go on the rampage with blatant acts of lawlessness :( [11:37] any other androids, that have a real keyboard, like the htc dream/g1 ? [11:37] htc desire z? [11:38] thank you oimon [11:39] brobostigon: i think also the sony experia , but it has a small screen and is rubbish IMO [11:39] a colleague has it and was on v1.6 for ages [11:40] oimon: ah, ok. [11:41] hmmm in the UK 9 months, good god that flew!! [11:41] keyboardy androids i can only think of the desire z, and xperia x10 mini pro [11:41] thank you all. [11:42] keyboards are out of fashion. [11:42] i wanted to get the desire z [11:42] but already had a desire [11:42] and didn't they put a weaker processor in the Z? [11:42] for windows phone 7, there's the dell venue pro [11:43] i really would prefer having a real keyboard, virtual keyboards just dont feel right. [11:43] czajkowski: oi prod England! there are parts of Ireland that are in the UK you ever live, stop, visit there? [11:44] does the playstation phone have a keybaord or just a paddle? [11:45] davmor2: only place I've not visted in scotland in 9 months! [11:46] scotlands a bit cold innit? [11:48] oimon, just the gamepad bit. [11:48] meh [11:48] maybe there will be a bluetooth add on game pad for the rest of us [11:48] brobostigon, those three, plus the upcoming palm pre3, are the only real-keyboard phones i can think of right now [11:48] palm pre3 runs what? webos? [11:49]