[01:13] <greg-g> man, resizing a 2 tb disk takes a while
[01:16] <rick_h_> heh, just a few eh
[01:18] <greg-g> it's still all blinky lights but it's been going for over an hour :(
[01:20] <greg-g> I need a beer, thank god someone brought some Corona to our BBQ. Light, easy drinking, not strong enough to get drunk.
[02:09] <snap-l> big drives are slow to format
[02:10] <jrwren> not SSD
[02:12] <snap-l> ssd can be slow to
[02:12] <snap-l> o
[02:12] <jrwren> :(
[02:12] <jrwren> true. my macbook air is surprisingly slow at du -kxa / | sort -nr | less
[11:05] <greg-g> g'morning
[11:43] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:43] <brousch> indeed
[11:43] <brousch> how is our king today?
[11:46] <snap-l> was sitting on the throne most of the evening last night
[11:47] <rick_h_> morning
[11:48] <rick_h_> http://pkaudio.blogspot.com/2011/08/more-bliss-all-keyboard-control-in-os-x.html heh
[11:48] <rick_h_> can I get a "you're doing it wrong..." :)
[11:54] <snap-l> Hey, if C-X C-S is speed for him, I'm not one to argue.
[11:56] <snap-l> I mean, when automobiles were first coming on the market, people were worried that if you went over 60MPH, it might take your breath away
[11:56] <snap-l> then again, riding in a Model T with no roll-cage overhead might very well qualify.
[12:14] <snap-l> Open Metalcast Episode 27: One More Time: http://ur1.ca/4vqnp
[12:15] <brousch> but i just downloaded the new morbid angel
[12:21] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo9v_GIuDBk
[12:39] <snap-l> "Hi all at decafbad.net. What you thinking about chicken recipes?" <- Spam comment.
[12:44] <Wolfger> ???
[12:44] <Wolfger> that's just bizarre
[12:58] <snap-l> So, how is everyone this fine morning?
[13:00] <jjesse> ready to be home
[13:00] <jjesse> 3 weeks in a row is a bit rough
[13:00] <snap-l> Ugh, sorry to hear that
[13:00] <jjesse> there isn't much to do in bristol ct
[13:04] <Wolfger> nonsense. You have an internet connection. Therefore, there's plenty to do there. :-D
[13:05] <jjesse> haha
[13:08] <jjesse> but sometimes you just need to get out of the hotel
[13:08] <Wolfger> Yeah. Those times are called "going to work". At least, that's how my business trips go.
[13:10] <jjesse> i agree
[13:14] <Wolfger> always seems like if I go out for dinner on a business trip, my entire life consists of "work, dinner, sleep, repeat"
[13:16] <jjesse> yup that's how its been for 3 weeks
[13:16] <jjesse> sometimes its work, run, dinner, bookstore
[13:16] <jjesse> but those are a 20 mile drive from hotel
[13:37] <snap-l> Anyone looking for someone like me for work? Let me know.
[13:38] <greg-g> snap-l: !!
[13:38] <greg-g> ?
[13:38] <snap-l> Customer has made it somewhat clear they're looking to bring what I do in-house, so unless ALU comes up with something else for me, I'll be back on unemployment.
[13:38] <greg-g> ugh!
[13:38] <snap-l> and frankly, I don't put a whole lot of faith in them.
[13:38] <brousch> oh man, that sucks
[13:39] <jjesse> bummer
[13:39] <snap-l> No worries
[13:39] <snap-l> Been there before, getting used to it
[13:39] <brousch> snap-l: what exactly do you do?
[13:39] <ptenhoopen> snap-l:  What is ALU?
[13:39] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/files/resume.pdf
[13:40] <snap-l> ptenhoopen: Alcatel-Lucent
[13:40] <snap-l> What do I do? Not what I'm doing. :)
[13:40] <snap-l> What do I want to do? Not what I'm doing. :)
[13:41] <brousch> yeah, want to do is a better question
[13:41] <snap-l> I want to write Python, preferably design my own games
[13:42] <snap-l> and get paid scads of cash to do it
[13:42] <snap-l> Unfortunately, that's delusional at this point.
[13:42] <brousch> jjesse is always looking for people ;) windows and symantec!
[13:42] <jjesse> yes i am
[13:42] <snap-l> And I'd like to never see Windows ever again
[13:42] <brousch> well games is a long shot
[13:42] <snap-l> And Symentec, no offense, can die in a fire.
[13:43] <jjesse> understand
[13:43] <Wolfger> Chrysler's hiring... not sure if it's anything Python/Perl-ish, but you might actually get a direct position at this point in time
[13:43] <snap-l> Wolfger: *sigh*
[13:43] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:43] <greg-g> snap-l: update your hobbies section to say "Leader of a 200+ member Ubuntu Community Team" :)
[13:43] <Wolfger> greg-g++
[13:43] <ColonelPanic001> "I am quite popular in the death metal podcasting community"
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> be sure to write it with a pompus sounding accent
[13:44] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001--
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> >:-|
[13:44] <ColonelPanic001> Return my karma immediately.
[13:45] <snap-l> Anywho, I'm going to heh
[13:45] <ptenhoopen> snap-l: I'd rather be making games too!
[13:45] <brousch> really. canonical has open positions
[13:45] <snap-l> bah, start and stop thoughts
[13:45] <_stink_> jjesse: you visit ESPN?
[13:45] <snap-l> We have a few meetings today to discuss, but I'm not waiting.
[13:46] <snap-l> Damn Open Source, making me want to not sell all of my crappy code.
[13:47] <snap-l> I could write a wrapper to grep and sell it for $29.95 shareware. ;)
[13:47] <greg-g> :)
[13:49] <brousch> the plotter tech said i should market my pdf->tif conversion script. it's 100 lines of python using imagemagic
[13:49] <jrwren> wtf... askubuntufeed on twitter, lol
[13:50] <snap-l> jrwren: Seriously? Talk about a crap feed
[13:50] <jrwren> yar
[13:50] <gamerchick02> snap-l, it's a good idea to put in there something about the LoCo
[13:50] <jrwren> someday, i'll write my own twitter client that lets me /ignore in my searches :)
[13:51] <jrwren> snap-l: you are against selling software?
[13:56] <snap-l> No, I'm against charging for stupid software.
[13:57] <jrwren> agreed
[13:57] <jrwren> ya'll ever heard of code for america?
[13:57] <jrwren> "The non-profit, which was inspired by Teach For America, develops open-source software to help solve community problems -- like letting parents and students use GPS data to check school bus schedules. "
[13:57] <jrwren> soudns cool
[14:03] <brousch> we have something called givecamp where devs code for local nonprofits
[14:08] <jrwren> yes, I did one of those.
[14:08] <jrwren> I'm not a fan.
[14:09] <jrwren> in fact, i know the guys who run your givecamp ;)
[14:12] <brousch> most of them are .net, so i don't know them well
[14:34] <jrwren> that is why I don't like the givecamps.
[14:34] <jrwren> too .net centric and develop centric, instead of "best solution for teh charity"
[14:37] <brousch> my biggest problem is that you're dropping 2 days of coding at their feet, then going away
[14:38] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, I know a couple people who work for CfA right now, actually
[14:40] <jrwren> oh awesome!
[15:23] <rick_h_> I always wanted to try to do a givecamp thing, but yea, it seems a bit strange
[15:23] <rick_h_> wonder if a mentor give camp would work better
[15:23] <rick_h_> bring your tech lackey in and let's teach/code something to help maybe
[15:24] <brousch> hah
[15:24] <snap-l> Or something where you start the project, and then put it up on github and continue hacking on it
[15:24] <snap-l> or somewhere public
[15:30] <brousch> supporting the charity is the issue
[15:30] <brousch> they have a problem at 10pm on a weekday, who do they call?
[15:43] <jrwren> many people have done that.
[15:43] <jrwren> i know a couple guys were hacking on it months after the give camp.
[15:44] <jrwren> i read the FAQ for the upcoming ann Arbor give camp, and it really turned me off.
[15:44] <jrwren> so I"m not going.
[15:44] <jrwren> http://annarborgivecamp.org/Home/FAQs/Developers
[15:44] <brousch> i'd almost rather do it outside of the givecamp
[15:44] <jrwren> "Can we form our own teams?"  ..."each team must have at least 1 Developer, 1 DBA and 1 Designer"  really!  A DBA!!!
[15:45] <jrwren> "The DBA will be responsible for the tables, stored procedures and the data access layer"
[15:45] <jrwren> WTF?!?!?
[15:45] <jrwren> Q: "What about Content Management?"
[15:45] <jrwren> A: "We will be looking for sponsorship from CMS companies to provide us with licenses to their products"
[15:45] <brousch> yipee!
[15:45] <jrwren> WTF?!?! its like they haven't heard of any of the most popular CMS in the world????
[15:46] <jrwren> and teh sad part is, the 1 givecamp that I did go to... MOST of the charities had nothing or static web adn would have benefited from just moving to drupal or joomla
[15:46] <brousch> wordpress
[15:46] <jrwren> EXACTLY!
[15:46] <jrwren> oh yeah... this is a gem.
[15:46] <jrwren> Q: "What technologies can I use?"
[15:46] <jrwren> A: "You can only use technology that has been released."
[15:46] <brousch> and dreamhost provides free hosting for charities
[15:47] <jrwren> I don't even know waht that means in term of open source.
[15:47] <jrwren> if a gem is on github, its "released"
[15:47] <brousch> unreleased technology?
[15:47] <jrwren> *sigh*
[15:50] <brousch> yeah, i know one of gr organizers and i feel kind of bad for not signing up, but i'm not comfortable with a couple of apsects
[15:52] <greg-g> ugh, that is a horrible FAQ
[15:53] <snap-l> Sounds like someone putting their corporate culture on OSS development.
[15:54] <greg-g> exactly
[15:55] <rick_h_> I read released to just me you can't build something on the dev version of rails
[15:58] <jrwren> brousch: ditto me and Ann Arbor.
[15:58] <jrwren> greg-g: snap-l: it IS MSFT putting their take on "give camp"
[15:58] <jrwren> its an MSFT adgenda
[16:01] <snap-l> Typical. ;)
[16:05] <jrwren> it didn't start taht way.
[16:05] <jrwren> but MSFT kind of got involved and took over.
[16:06] <jrwren> what surprises me is that I know and like almost all of these people : http://annarborgivecamp.org/Home/About
[16:07] <jrwren> I'm actually surprised that they wrote that crap
[16:19] <Wolfger> well, start up loco-camp :-)
[16:23] <rick_h_> I meaheh
[16:23] <rick_h_> oops, I mean heh
[16:26] <rick_h_> is it quitting time yet?
[16:30] <Wolfger> sadly, no
[17:24] <jrwren> what are teh 3 fundamental function formats?  map, reduce, ???
[17:25] <snap-l> reuse
[17:25] <snap-l> repeat
[17:25] <brousch> rinse
[17:25] <snap-l> simmer
[17:26] <Blazeix> maybe something .Where or .filter ?
[17:26] <brousch> the new morbid angel sounds more like pantera than morbid angel
[17:27] <jrwren> filter!
[17:27] <jrwren> ty!
[17:27] <jrwren> filter, map reduce.  DUH
[17:28] <jrwren> i was just hoping it was one that I needed to solve this problem... it wasn't :(
[17:28] <Blazeix> hah
[17:28] <jrwren> it was actually map, I just didn't see it at first :)
[17:39] <Wolfger> "[this] Monitor will facilitate your computer screen needs with its 16:9 aspect ratio, thus allowing you to surf the Web with ease" ... wtf?
[17:39] <Wolfger> since when is 16:9 aspect ratio helpful for browsing the web?
[17:40] <Wolfger> 9:16 would be better
[17:40] <Blazeix> I block all visitors to my websites that don't have a 16:9 ratio
[17:40] <Wolfger> on most sites
[17:40] <Blazeix> makes the fonts look funny, otherwise.
[17:41] <Wolfger> Blazeix: something is wrong with your fonts^h^h^h^h^h^h^h
[17:42] <Blazeix> well if they just used a modern, standards-compliant monitor, they wouldn't put me through this.
[17:44] <brousch> Wolfger: obviously they are targeting the ignorant hordes who ask things like "can i surf the web with this monitor?"
[17:44] <Wolfger> did you just refer to 16:9 as modern? Get with the times... your website needs to look good on people's phones. :-)
[17:45] <Blazeix> I'm not sure this whole mobile thing is going to take off.
[17:46] <Wolfger> but getting down to the question I ultimately had before market-speak made me all ranty...
[17:46] <Wolfger> this is an LED monitor. Anybody used one, and/or have opinions about LED vs LCD?
[17:47] <brousch> LED makes the web look crisper
[17:47] <brousch> more crisp?
[17:48] <_stink_> more crisper
[17:48] <Wolfger> :-p
[17:49] <brousch> more crisper sounds like a vegan model refridgerator
[17:50] <Wolfger> lol
[18:01] <rick_h_> led is nice, lighter usually more even backlight
[18:01] <rick_h_> ips is what you want though. I'm done with non-ips panels
[18:02] <snap-l> ips?
[18:03] <rick_h_> http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php
[18:04] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ah, yes.
[18:05] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_i_0?rh=k%3Aips+monitor%2Ci%3Aelectronics&keywords=ips+monitor&ie=UTF8&qid=1312913122#/ref=sr_st?keywords=ips+monitor&qid=1312913130&rh=k%3Aips+monitor%2Cn%3A172282&sort=pmrank
[18:05] <rick_h_> is what you want to check
[18:12] <snap-l> When I get some mad money again, I think I need to update this monitor. ;)
[18:14] <rick_h_> yea, I want to replace the two dells. I got the cheap ones so I could get a matched pair and not happy with them :(
[18:15] <brousch> you didn't do 40 hours of research and field tests?
[18:15] <rick_h_> I've realized I'm a bit out of the norm
[18:15] <brousch> a bit?
[18:15] <rick_h_> I work in so much text based with small fonts and such that I'm pickier than my windows/gui brethren
[18:16] <snap-l> Well, you're also doing graphical design
[18:16] <rick_h_> heh :)
[18:16] <rick_h_> yea, when I get going layouts/etc I can get into light design stuff like that
[18:16] <brousch> norm                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      rick_h_
[18:16] <snap-l> and having a monitor that changes color temperature based on whether you slouch or raise your head is not ideal
[18:16] <brousch> geez, that didn't work
[18:16] <rick_h_> but with the triple monitors I can't get them all that the perfect viewing angle so something with a wider viewing angle is needed
[18:16] <rick_h_> brousch: lol
[18:17] <rick_h_> yea, with the 22" I stick in portrait mode you can see it shift as you look up/down it
[18:21] <brousch> ok, in a webapp i need to do a bunch of stuff to an uploaded image. what's the easiest way to do that without making the webapp wait for the process to finish?
[18:21] <rick_h_> ajax upload with html5 file upload api
[18:22] <brousch> the upload isn't the problem, the processing is
[18:22] <rick_h_> oh, queue and process background
[18:22] <rick_h_> cron/queue watching workers, etc
[18:22]  * brousch faceplants cron, of course
[18:22] <rick_h_> easiest is to just stick the thing in the db and have cron come behind it and processes the work
[18:23] <brousch> yes, that would be easy
[18:23] <brousch> i already have the db set up to easily mark whether it's processed or not
[18:23] <brousch> and a 1 or 2 minute delay doesn't matter
[18:24] <brousch> i love it
[18:24]  * brousch grabs rick_h_'s big, bald head and kisses it
[18:25]  * rick_h_ runs
[18:26] <snap-l> Could use rabbitMQ as well if it's a true queue
[18:27] <snap-l> or Zero or whatever is the current hotness
[18:28] <brousch> yeah, that's overkill
[18:28] <brousch> i was looking for something simpler
[18:29] <brousch> i can just select from the db and then run the process on each image
[18:30] <brousch> or even select one and wait for the next cron run for the next one
[18:32] <snap-l> brousch: I'd recommend a processing state
[18:32] <brousch> i have is_initialized=False when the record is created
[18:32] <snap-l> that way if you decide to expand this out further (multiple workers), you'll at least know who is working on what.
[18:32] <brousch> then the process script can set it to True
[18:33] <brousch> hm, good idea
[18:33] <snap-l> If you really want to get fancy, put the machine name / process ID in there
[18:34] <snap-l> that way, if it craps out, you can at least re-process
[18:34] <brousch> if the process took over a minute it could run into trouble
[18:34] <snap-l> have some form of clean-up script look for stragglers.
[18:34] <brousch> like if someone uploaded a gigabit image
[18:34] <snap-l> or the power went out
[18:35] <brousch> the cloud never goes down!
[18:35] <jjesse> hahhaaha didn't amazon have another problem yesterday
[18:35] <brousch> :-D
[18:35] <Blazeix> yeah, but it was europe, so it didn't count
[18:36] <brousch> thanks, snap-l
[18:36] <brousch> want me to kiss your head too?
[18:36] <rick_h_> Blazeix: heh, you mean US-EAST-1?
[18:36] <Blazeix> oh, that too?
[18:37] <rick_h_> yea
[18:37] <Blazeix> well, it's the east coast, so it doesn't count.
[18:37] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, snap-l is right. Start a status class now that processes from one state to the next
[18:37] <rick_h_> always end up adding new states to crap
[18:38] <brousch> i'll make it a string for now
[18:38] <rick_h_> sorry, yea I mean it's always a string in the db
[18:38] <rick_h_> I just do class stuff so I can say
[18:38] <rick_h_> if image.status == Status.NEW: ...work goes here
[18:39] <rick_h_> vs crapping string comapres that you can typo like:
[18:39] <rick_h_> if image.status == 'New', I mean 'new' I mean 'NEW'
[18:39] <rick_h_> crap, who put 'newe' in there!
[18:40] <brousch> hm
[18:40] <brousch> so status would be an enum or something?
[18:41] <rick_h_> yea, basically
[18:41] <brousch> or a table with a list of statuses ?
[18:42] <rick_h_> so that depends. I've done it both ways
[18:43] <brousch> which way works best with sqlalchemy?
[18:43] <rick_h_> the db way is a bit easier
[18:43] <rick_h_> to do it in code you have to do some metaclass stuff to get the code to work right
[18:44] <brousch> ug
[18:44] <rick_h_> http://techspot.zzzeek.org/2011/01/14/the-enum-recipe/
[18:44] <rick_h_> mike did a great post on this though
[18:45] <Blazeix> oh, wow, that's pretty cool
[18:45] <Blazeix> I've always preferred the DB way, and that makes it really nice.
[18:45] <rick_h_> yea, I've not implemented that total method yet
[18:46] <rick_h_> but on my list at some point to try out. Seems like a good db-way recipe
[18:49] <snap-l> Our DBAs also got grumpy when we proposed a character-based primary key.
[18:49] <snap-l> Thank God we had one DBA on our team. ;)
[18:49] <Blazeix> I'm guilty of getting grumpy about that too.
[18:50] <Blazeix> sometimes it's necessary for performance, but in general I love my foreign keys
[18:50] <rick_h_> https://gist.github.com/1134869
[18:50] <rick_h_> that's what I ended up doing to not have to store it in the db
[18:50] <rick_h_> made it easy to add new ones/etc without migrations
[18:50] <rick_h_> but more involved
[18:50] <rick_h_> turned more into "Dammit, I know I can get this to work!"
[18:51] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I can see why you'd want to do that
[18:52] <snap-l> still, I'm in the foreign key camp. Keeping as much info in the database as possible is A+
[18:52] <snap-l> (or am I misreading something)
[18:53] <rick_h_> started out with dictionary, then a namedtuple, then this
[18:53] <rick_h_> no, you're right, a seperate table and forign key is one way to go
[18:55] <snap-l> All I know is there were some tables that I inherited at Chrysler that I wish had a foreign key constraint that if the data wasn't normalized, it would have shot 220V into their chair.
[18:56] <snap-l> Y,N,.,.,.,Yes,No, but they should, , ,
[18:56] <snap-l> it was much worse than what I can remember
[18:57] <snap-l> And of course, going back to the customer was futile.
[18:57] <snap-l> "it's in the database". :-p
[18:58] <Blazeix> yeah, I had an internship at Rockwell Collins, and we had NULL, null, Null, 'N/A' and ''.
[18:58] <Blazeix> and a couple others. Imported from Excel, of course.
[18:58] <snap-l> Blazeix: and in a Varchar field, no douby.
[18:59] <Blazeix> yup
[18:59] <snap-l> Likely along with another varchar field containing money amounts.
[18:59] <Blazeix> guid primary keys in varchar fields too
[19:00] <snap-l> $100.00, $100000.00, 1100.00, 1e+48
[19:00] <snap-l> Blazeix: Oh, that's awesome.
[19:00] <Blazeix> yeah, didn't return there after that internship...
[19:01] <snap-l> "So, when you come back here to work on this system" (sickly look)
[19:01] <snap-l> "Yeah, sure... I'll be back to work on this. Also, my family and I are moving. To Siberia. Outside of cell-phone range."
[19:03] <Blazeix> the company was actually pretty cool, you can move around internally and do a bunch of different things.
[19:03] <Blazeix> but there were just too many WTFs, like company wide IE6 mandates, etc
[19:09] <rick_h_> gotta love those
[19:14] <snap-l> Oh, you must be talking about the auto industry
[19:14] <snap-l> Where we wonder if cars really are built by magic.
[19:47] <brousch> ok, i ended up creating some constants for the statuses and then in my db creation script i import them and insert them into the table
[19:50] <brousch> i like it
[19:52] <rick_h_> cool
[19:54] <brousch> it feels pythonic because i have to scrape the models.py for the right constants
[19:54] <brousch> very meta
[19:56] <brousch> it's in the models.py right now, but i could move the constants to config
[20:05] <brousch> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/381/
[20:06] <snap-l> brousch: Not sure I'd agree with using 99 for bad
[20:06] <brousch> 69 for naughty?
[20:07] <brousch> it's int, so i guess -1 would make sense
[20:07] <snap-l> -1, or something other than 99
[20:08] <snap-l> If you want to get IBM, declare ranges. ;)
[20:08] <brousch> that was damn easy to change
[20:08] <snap-l> There's a bunny outside my window while I have Gustav Holst's MARS: THE BRINGER OF WAR playing.
[20:09] <snap-l> he's looking quite content
[20:29] <rick_h_> look at those pretty declarative models
[20:30] <rick_h_> wait, String?! gah!!!!!
[20:31] <rick_h_> and pretty_dt?
[20:31] <rick_h_> isn't that template work?
[20:31] <brousch> i'd rather do it once and store it
[20:32] <rick_h_> boooooooooooooo :P
[20:32] <brousch> it doesn't change, so why redo it every time?
[20:32] <rick_h_> it's display logic
[20:32] <rick_h_> you've never had someone come and go "oh no, we want those dates displayed as YYYY/MM not mm/YYYY
[20:33] <brousch> well the format is defined in the config, so you can set it to whatever you want
[20:33] <rick_h_> right, but not after the fact
[20:33] <rick_h_> you'll get incompatible strings in there
[20:33] <rick_h_> it's a developer cardinal sin
[20:34] <brousch> heh
[20:34] <brousch> you can always go back and reset them based on the timestamp :P
[20:34] <rick_h_> tis, true, but then I can say you're storing extra data in the database you don't need
[20:34] <rick_h_> that's resource wastage :P
[20:35] <rick_h_> all cool, just an FYI
[20:35] <rick_h_> also would check out unicode columns vs string
[20:35] <rick_h_> helpful when you get to that stuff
[20:36] <_stink_> misread that as 'unicorn'.
[20:36] <rick_h_> unicorn columns rock. They read the clients mind and translate unicode on the fly
[20:36] <snap-l> Honestly, if you have a date type, just use that. :)
[20:37] <_stink_> :)
[20:37] <snap-l> And if you're using Sybase / MS SQL Server, and are storing dollar amounts, use the money type
[20:37] <snap-l> can't stand it when people use float for money.
[20:38] <snap-l> only because I have in the past, and now know better. ;)
[20:40] <brousch> db.Unicode instead of db.String ?
[20:41] <brousch> i made the change. nothing asploded
[20:45] <brousch> so you think i should have the template the timestamp and have it make the pretty datetime?
[20:46] <ptenhoopen> So, store just a date in the db and format it in the template?
[20:46] <ptenhoopen> date/time I mean
[20:46] <ptenhoopen> Makes sense
[20:46] <rick_h_> yes, just about always do formatting and stuff like that in the template
[20:47] <rick_h_> you can set a config setting or something that's global and use that to change/update
[21:04] <brousch> ok, that was pretty easy to fix
[21:04] <brousch> i think it reduced my loc by 1
[21:06] <snap-l> Man, there's not enough classical on Magnatune
[21:06] <brousch> thanks
[22:40] <Blazeix> rick_h_: mug.org/events/ has been updated, thanks
[22:41] <snap-l> Thanks, Blazeix
[22:41] <snap-l> picking up in #mug
[22:41] <snap-l> #mugorg, rather
[22:42] <rick_h_> Blazeix: cool, just more hacking time for me :)
[22:42] <snap-l> rick_h_: Sheesh
[22:44] <rick_h_> sheesh?
[23:31] <rick_h_> I'm going to toss that camera if it keeps making noises
[23:31] <rick_h_> crap people, turn your garbage off
[23:31] <snap-l> heh
[23:31] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[23:31] <snap-l> Or at least put it on vibrate
[23:32] <brousch> cameras, garbage, and vibrators?
[23:32] <brousch> what kind of movie are you guys making?
[23:32] <snap-l> brousch: Just another evening in West MI, eh?
[23:34] <Blazeix> I'm kind of interested to see the results of tonights video
[23:35] <Blazeix> it will be like a roller coaster
[23:35] <Blazeix> you're just happily watching and then "whoa! camera falls of the table!"
[23:35] <snap-l> I'm sure there are sex tapes with better cinematography.
[23:40] <waldo323> with batteries that stay in the devices better?
[23:40] <snap-l> so many wrong ways to go with that. ;)
[23:41] <waldo323> ouch bright light
[23:41] <waldo323> instant headache
[23:41] <snap-l> Seriously? Seriously?
[23:41] <waldo323> :-\
[23:46] <snap-l> greg-g: DIsk-Utility on Mac is very good at making Mac partitions
[23:46] <snap-l> and not much else.
[23:57] <Blazeix> well, the camera has fallen over 4 times so far...