[03:06] <Electroale27> hola
[03:06] <holstein> o/
[06:39] <hakimsheriff> Hello Everyone
[11:00] <Draggin> Good morning!  I've finally gotten around to installing US11.04 (and was perturbed when I couldn't find the volume icon...) but what bugs me more at this stage, from a purely aesthetical point of view, is that there is no splash screen :(
[11:01] <Draggin> Any ideas?
[19:30] <hakimsheriff> Helo EVeryone
[19:30] <holstein> o/
[19:30] <hakimsheriff> I need help with Ubuntu Studio
[19:30] <hakimsheriff> I just installed it yesterday
[19:31] <holstein> i say, take it slow
[19:31] <holstein> try and get used to JACK, and go from there
[19:31] <hakimsheriff> But on the Ubuntu Software center, all the writing is in white, and sometimes if i bring my mouse over the writing it turns balck
[19:31] <holstein> depending on where you are coming from, these are not the kind of tools you learn in a few days
[19:32] <holstein> hakimsheriff: i dont use the software center
[19:32] <holstein> depending on what version you are using, i would consider it a 'testing' version
[19:32] <hakimsheriff> I am using 11.04
[19:32] <holstein> i would fire up synaptic for GUI pacakge management
[19:32] <holstein> hakimsheriff: also, make sure you are up to date with system upgrades
[19:33] <hakimsheriff> holstein, also upgraded everything yesterday
[19:33] <holstein> cool :)
[19:33] <holstein> so, just dont use the software center, and you should be fine
[19:33] <holstein> probably just a bug from the upgrade
[19:33] <hakimsheriff> holstein, but it didn't really come  with any pre-installed software
[19:33] <holstein> you should look for a bug report if you'd like to help
[19:34] <holstein> hakimsheriff: right, use synaptic for GUI package management
[19:34] <holstein> hakimsheriff: in linux, you have many options for many tasks
[19:34] <holstein> the software center is the newest GUI tool from ubuntu for package management
[19:35] <hakimsheriff> umm.. Synaptics is not opening, im getting an error
[19:35] <hakimsheriff> let me get you what the error is,
[19:35] <holstein> rigth, about the other package manager running
[19:35] <hakimsheriff> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[19:35] <hakimsheriff> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[19:35] <holstein> you cant have the software center, or the upgrade manager running
[19:35] <hakimsheriff> ah okay
[19:35] <holstein> hakimsheriff: OH... you've broken something
[19:36] <holstein> did you shut the machine off mid upgrade?
[19:36] <holstein> or lose power?
[19:36] <hakimsheriff> holstein, I don't think so
[19:36] <holstein> hakimsheriff: well, thats an error that could be breaking the software center
[19:36] <holstein> or others
[19:36] <hakimsheriff> holstein, so what should i do now, re-install from scratch?
[19:36] <holstein> hakimsheriff: did you run sudo dpkg --configure -a ?
[19:37] <hakimsheriff> not yet let me do it know
[19:37] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you can if you want, but you'll likely break it again
[19:37] <hakimsheriff> im mean now
[19:37] <holstein> you should try and figure out what you have done
[19:37] <holstein> and how to fix it
[19:37] <holstein> then, you wont do it again :)
[19:37] <holstein> or if you do, you'll understand how to fix it
[19:37] <holstein> hakimsheriff: close everything
[19:37] <holstein> open a terminal
[19:38] <holstein> run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:38] <holstein> if no errors, i say run
[19:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:38] <holstein> then
[19:38] <holstein> sudo apt-get upgrade
[19:38] <holstein> you should see no errors ideally
[19:38] <hakimsheriff> do i close x-chat too
[19:38] <holstein> hakimsheriff: nah...
[19:38] <holstein> that should be fine
[19:40] <hakimsheriff> it says: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[19:40] <holstein> ok... and?
[19:40] <holstein> its still working?
[19:40] <hakimsheriff> okay now its done
[19:41] <holstein> with all 3 of those?
[19:41] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[19:41] <holstein> and sudo apt-get upgrade?
[19:41] <hakimsheriff> i am doing those now
[19:41] <holstein> we want to see no errors
[19:42] <hakimsheriff> done
[19:42] <hakimsheriff> all worked
[19:42] <holstein> ok..
[19:42] <holstein> if i were you, i would either restart, or logout and back in
[19:42] <holstein> probably restart..
[19:42] <holstein> who knows what was half installed
[19:43] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you still dont need to run software center
[19:43] <hakimsheriff> okay, and should everything work then?
[19:43] <holstein> go to synaptic and search ubuntustudio
[19:43] <holstein> you'll see the software metapackages you want
[19:43] <holstein> those'll take a while to install though
[19:43] <holstein> and you might not want them all
[19:43] <hakimsheriff> ahh okay, becoause it didn't come with any pre-installed software
[19:44] <hakimsheriff> just sound recorder and all the other Ubuntu basics
[19:44] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you have to select them at install
[19:44] <holstein> while installing you are asked
[19:44] <holstein> its not totally clear though
[19:44] <holstein> and its not like the normal ubuntu installer
[19:45] <holstein> you were given the opportunity during install though
[19:45] <hakimsheriff> Yes I was and i went on one of them, i think it was audio editing, and pressed enter
[19:46] <holstein> right, its not clear
[19:46] <holstein> you hit the spacebar to select
[19:46] <holstein> *then* enter
[19:46] <holstein> i assure you its not a bug
[19:46] <holstein> or an error
[19:46] <holstein> its just tricky the first time
[19:47] <hakimsheriff> ahh okay, that makes sense,
[19:47] <holstein> its just like the alternate installer for regular vanilla ubuntu
[19:47] <holstein> not totally mainstream though
[19:47] <holstein> non-GUI
[19:47] <holstein> we are talking about going to a live installer
[19:47] <holstein> we'll see...
[19:48] <hakimsheriff> I have been using ubuntu for about a year now and helping wherever I can, I just randomly stumbled upon ubuntu studio,
[19:48] <holstein> cool
[19:48] <holstein> hakimsheriff: welcom
[19:48] <holstein> e
[19:48] <holstein> we can use help if you are insterested
[19:49] <holstein>  /join #ubuntustudio-devel and camp out for a bit :)
[19:49] <hakimsheriff> sure, I already joined the lauchpad team,
[19:49] <holstein> hakimsheriff: cool... thanks :)
[19:49] <hakimsheriff> The only problem I have with ubuntu or ubuntu studio, is that my dj gear does not have drivers for linux
[19:50] <holstein> hakimsheriff: yeah.. i used to have some non-linux gear
[19:50] <holstein> sux
[19:50] <holstein> ive phased it all out though, and now everything works well
[19:50] <hakimsheriff> and i have to have Virtual DJ, which also doesn't work on linux
[19:50] <holstein> we have some nice DJ software :)
[19:50] <holstein> well, Virtual DJ is not written for linux
[19:50] <hakimsheriff> Yes but since I dj n Virtual DJ Radio, I am forces to use Virtual DJ
[19:51] <holstein> eh.. ive use IDJC to icecast
[19:51] <hakimsheriff> I tries running it in wine, but its too slow
[19:51] <holstein> worked great
[19:51] <holstein> those guys can make a linux version
[19:51] <holstein> i say, vote with your wallet, and let em know what you want
[19:52] <holstein> sometimes, you just have to dual boot
[19:52] <hakimsheriff> The number of petitions people have started to get VDJ on linux, nothing works,
[19:52] <hakimsheriff> holstein, but i find myslef using windows more,
[19:53] <hakimsheriff> and my computer messed up completely so i had to do a clean install, but i lost my Windows CD so I decided to use ubuntu studio
[19:53] <holstein> cool
[19:54] <hakimsheriff> Okay, i will restart now, See ya later!
[19:54] <holstein> probably windows XP anyways
[19:54] <holstein> i woudnt worry about it too much :)
[19:54] <hakimsheriff> no it was windows 7,
[19:54] <holstein> hakimsheriff: good luck and welcome to the group
[19:54] <hakimsheriff> Thank You, :)
[19:54] <hakimsheriff> Goodbye
[21:01] <hakimsheriff> Hello again EVeryone
[21:01] <holstein> o/
[21:02] <hakimsheriff> I restarted, everything seems to work okay, but still the same problem with the software center
[21:02] <holstein> yeah... personally, ive used the software center
[21:02] <holstein> and i dont need it
[21:02] <holstein> i mean, its borken obviously
[21:02] <hakimsheriff> I use it a lot,
[21:02] <holstein> if you want, open it from the terminal
[21:02] <holstein> look for error output
[21:03] <holstein> you can try using synaptic to step it back a version
[21:03] <holstein> see if its the actual version of software center
[21:03] <holstein> like i said before, its a 'testing' version really
[21:03] <hakimsheriff> and I can't seem to get Flash to work
[21:03] <holstein> they implemented it early, and i think 12.04 is the goal for it to really be a store
[21:03] <hakimsheriff> holstein, ahh okay
[21:04] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you should look for a bug report though
[21:04] <holstein> thats the only way to get it done
[21:04] <holstein> hakimsheriff: whats the issue with flash?
[21:05] <hakimsheriff> I installed it but, its not working on youtube videos
[21:05] <holstein> is it working at all?
[21:05] <holstein> did you install flash?
[21:05] <holstein> or gnash?
[21:05] <hakimsheriff> flash
[21:05] <holstein> is it all youtube?
[21:05] <hakimsheriff> yes
[21:06] <holstein> any browser?
[21:06] <holstein> all browsers?
[21:06] <holstein> for future reference...
[21:06] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[21:06] <holstein> for me, when im installing for my studio machine
[21:06] <holstein> i dont care if flash works
[21:06] <holstein> if you want more of a normal daily desktop box
[21:06] <holstein> you might want to check out
[21:07] <holstein> !vanilla
[21:07] <hakimsheriff> I have used Ubuntu and have a CD with it
[21:07] <holstein> install the normal ubuntu, and just add a few meta packages
[21:07] <holstein> like ubuntustudio-audio for example
[21:07] <hakimsheriff> ahh okay
[21:07] <holstein> OR, just the software you want
[21:07] <hakimsheriff> I will do that then
[21:07] <holstein> JACK, ardour, idjc whatever
[21:07] <hakimsheriff> I thought ubuntu-studio would also work for everyday
[21:07] <holstein> theres no advantage for you to run ubuntustudio
[21:08] <holstein> it *will* work fine for everyday
[21:08] <holstein> and you can sort out these issues
[21:08] <holstein> but, out of the box, normal ubuntu is more... well... normal
[21:08] <holstein> you need not install ubuntustudio, and waste time making it more normal
[21:08] <hakimsheriff> okay then i will install ubuntu again,
[21:08] <holstein> when you can just install what you want from ubuntustudio into ubuntu
[21:09] <holstein> hakimsheriff: this may or may not be your issue though
[21:09] <holstein> an upgrade could have broken the software center
[21:09] <holstein> and flash could just be not working in that one browser
[21:09] <holstein> i would..
[21:09] <hakimsheriff> i am using chromium
[21:09] <hakimsheriff> as a brower
[21:09] <holstein> sudo apt-get install midori
[21:09] <holstein> and test in firefox as well
[21:10] <holstein> could be your graphics card driver
[21:10] <hakimsheriff> I will have to install firefox again,
[21:10] <hakimsheriff> yes i thought that was the problem
[21:10] <holstein> you can look for extra drivers or whatever
[21:10] <holstein> i think thats in the menu... additional drivers?
[21:10] <holstein> this will be the same in normal ubuntu
[21:11] <hakimsheriff> It just says no prprietary drivers are installed on this computer and thats all
[21:12] <hakimsheriff> doesnt let me do anything
[21:12] <holstein> OK... still, could be the driver
[21:12] <holstein> i would get some live CDs
[21:12] <hakimsheriff> It works on live-cds
[21:12] <hakimsheriff> and on regular Ubuntu
[21:12] <holstein> the latest ubuntu, and the last LTS (10.04), knoppix..
[21:13] <hakimsheriff> they all work
[21:13] <holstein> hakimsheriff: flash doesnt work on the ubuntu live CD's
[21:13] <holstein> doesnt come on there
[21:13] <holstein> you install it, and it works?
[21:13] <hakimsheriff> Yes, But the SOftware center works
[21:13] <hakimsheriff> I thought thats what you were yalking about
[21:13] <holstein> i would *not* worry about the software center
[21:13] <holstein> thats not a big deal
[21:14] <holstein> its not like you cant install software
[21:14] <holstein> and i bet thats just a glitch from an upgrade
[21:14] <holstein> you should try fully removing it, and reinstalling it
[21:14] <hakimsheriff> Just did a reinistall, but the same issue is still there
[21:15] <holstein> the other thing you can try is making another user real quick
[21:15] <holstein> log in as that user
[21:15] <holstein> see if the software center works
[21:15] <hakimsheriff> ahh okay, i wil try that now and come back
[21:15] <holstein> theres some directory in your ~/
[21:16] <holstein> this can tell you if removing it would help
[21:19] <hakimsheriff> pkay so i have the same problem with the new user
[21:20] <holstein> ok.. so its pretty safe to assume its the software center itself then
[21:20] <hakimsheriff> okay
[21:20] <holstein> you should launch it from the terminal
[21:20] <hakimsheriff> How do you do that?
[21:21] <holstein> open the terminal and type
[21:21] <holstein> software-center
[21:21] <hakimsheriff> same problem still
[21:21] <holstein> of course
[21:21] <hakimsheriff> well, thats fine
[21:21] <holstein> this is not a magical back door
[21:21] <holstein> look in the terminal
[21:21] <holstein> and see if you see any error messages
[21:22] <holstein> anyways... at this stage, the software center is really just a package manager
[21:22] <holstein> the next few versions are where it'll really be a store
[21:22] <hakimsheriff> a few errors
[21:23] <hakimsheriff> one: WARNING - No styling hints for UbuntuStudio were found... using Human hints.
[21:23] <holstein> hakimsheriff: i bet it you change themes, it'll work
[21:23] <hakimsheriff> two: Warning: g_object_set_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[21:23] <holstein> yup
[21:23] <holstein> thats what i think
[21:23] <holstein> go to 'apperance' and pick one of the normal buntu themes
[21:23] <holstein> see if all is good
[21:23] <holstein> then, you can file a bug
[21:24] <hakimsheriff> It works!
[21:25] <hakimsheriff> Ohh my first time filing a bug!
[21:25] <scott-work> viola
[21:25] <hakimsheriff> COuld you give me the link to where I do that
[21:25] <scott-work> hakimsheriff: what release of ubuntu studio are you using?
[21:26] <hakimsheriff> 11.04
[21:26] <scott-work> aye, natty
[21:26] <scott-work> hakimsheriff: software-center should be in natty
[21:26] <holstein> oh, its in theree
[21:26] <holstein> it just doest work
[21:26] <holstein> opens up blank
[21:26] <scott-work> oh, okay that's a good start then
[21:26] <scott-work> oh
[21:27] <holstein> 17:30 < hakimsheriff> one: WARNING - No styling hints for UbuntuStudio were found... using Human hints.
[21:27] <scott-work> hmmm, strange, it works on my home machine i believe
[21:27] <holstein> 17:30 < hakimsheriff> two: Warning: g_object_set_qdata: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[21:27] <holstein> ive never ever opened it under the ubuntustudio theme
[21:27] <holstein> TBH, i opened it when it came out, and closed it right back down ;)
[21:27] <scott-work> hakimsheriff: did you install ubuntu studio from a dvd and did the full installation?
[21:28] <scott-work> i'm leaving work in about fifteen minutes and thirty minutes after that i can see what my machine does at home
[21:28] <hakimsheriff> I downloaded an ISO and burnt it to a DVD
[21:28] <holstein> yeah, i can look too, but im on 10.04 on that machine
[21:28] <holstein> scott-work: its the ubuntustudio iso
[21:28] <scott-work> okay, that is good
[21:28] <holstein> hakimsheriff used the ubuntustudio iso
[21:29] <holstein> i dont have an 11.04 install anymore.. just an 11.10 install im not keeping up with
[21:29] <holstein> hakimsheriff: do you have a launchpad account?
[21:29] <hakimsheriff> Yes
[21:30] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[21:30] <holstein> feel free to ask if you get hung up
[21:38] <scott-work> i'm leaving in just a minute, it takes me thirty minutes to get home and i'll check it on mine as well
[21:54] <hakimsheriff> okay i submitted the bug
[21:54] <holstein> hakimsheriff: thanks
[21:55] <holstein> unfortunately, it'll probably just go away since we are moving to XFCE, but its important to have them
[21:55] <hakimsheriff> I liked the regualr Ubuntu Interface better, should I just install ubuntu and use Ubuntu Studio packages?
[21:55] <holstein> it will help us keep in mind *everything* needs to be tested
[21:55] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you dont have to
[21:55] <holstein> you can run
[21:56] <holstein> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[21:56] <holstein> it'll probably want to remove ubuntustudio-desktop
[21:56] <holstein> and thats fine if thats what you want
[21:56] <hakimsheriff> o I forgot about that!!
[21:56] <holstein> that's much quicker than reinstalling prolly
[21:56] <holstein> either one will work though :)
[21:56] <hakimsheriff> But could they both be there and you choose on the login screen?
[21:57] <holstein> hakimsheriff: in theory
[21:57] <holstein> im not sure though... i havent tried it
[21:57] <holstein> and usually the *-desktop metas like to remove the others
[21:57] <holstein> you can have ubuntu-destkop and KDE installed for example
[21:57] <holstein> but i think ubuntu-desktop wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <holstein> hakimsheriff: try it and see
[21:58] <holstein> worst case, you lose ubuntustudio-desktop
[21:58] <hakimsheriff> I've had Ubuntu and Kubuntu together once
[21:58] <holstein> ive had KDE and gnome together, i forget the details though...
[21:58] <holstein> with linux/ubuntu, there is always a way...
[21:59] <hakimsheriff> be right back
[22:02] <hakimsheriff_> Well it works
[22:02] <hakimsheriff_> I didn't ask me to uninstall ubuntustudio-desktop
[22:03] <holstein> :)
[22:03] <hakimsheriff_> ANd what about the flash issue
[22:03] <holstein> well, im arguing it might be your graphics driver
[22:04] <holstein> in which case, you'd need to do some tests, and determine that
[22:04] <holstein> maybe force the vesa driver with a custom xorg.conf
[22:04] <hakimsheriff> well are you going to be here for some time?
[22:04] <hakimsheriff> because i need to go now
[22:04] <holstein> i would just google 'ubuntu whatever graphics hardware'
[22:04] <holstein> and see
[22:04] <holstein> hakimsheriff: im in here all the time
[22:04] <holstein> i wont be around later though...
[22:04] <hakimsheriff> but i don't know what hardware i have?
[22:05] <holstein> i'll be out for about 6 hours, then sleep
[22:05] <holstein> but, im in here all the time
[22:05] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you can open a terminal and run
[22:05] <holstein> lspci
[22:05] <holstein> and/or
[22:05] <holstein> lspci -v
[22:05] <holstein> you'll see a line pertaining to your grahpics hardware
[22:06] <holstein> hakimsheriff: i would also try the opera driver, if you are not opposed to it
[22:06] <holstein> if for nothing else, troubleshooting
[22:07] <hakimsheriff_> sorry my internet just cut
[22:07] <holstein> :/
[22:07] <hakimsheriff_> what were you saying?
[22:07] <hakimsheriff_> I saw lspci and/or......
[22:07] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/662217/
[22:08] <holstein> hakimsheriff_: lol
[22:08] <holstein> i say 'try the opera driver'
[22:09] <holstein> i mean, the opera browser ;)
[22:09] <hakimsheriff_> ahh okay
[22:11] <hakimsheriff_> okay so I know my graphics card, WHat do I do now
[22:13] <hakimsheriff> okay so I know my graphics card, WHat do I do now
[22:13] <holstein> well, you can tell me what it is...
[22:14] <hakimsheriff> Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
[22:14] <holstein> OK... that should 'just work'
[22:14] <ScottL> okay, hakimsheriff , software-center worked for me on my natty install
[22:14] <holstein> ScottL: are you up to date?
[22:14] <ScottL> you might trying uninstalling it and then reinstalling it
[22:14] <holstein> try upgrading and see if you break it
[22:14] <hakimsheriff> ScottL, I got it to work, All I needed to do was change the theme
[22:14] <holstein> ScottL: are you in the ubuntustudio theme?
[22:15] <ScottL> holstein, i have been keeping up with the udpates, but i don't know if a new one is available
[22:15] <ScottL> holstein, yes, i am using the ubuntu studio theme
[22:15] <ScottL> too weird that changing theme would help it
[22:16] <hakimsheriff> It couldn't find any "Styling Hints" for the Software Center
[22:16] <hakimsheriff> at least thats what terminal said
[22:17] <holstein> hakimsheriff: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html
[22:17] <holstein> ScottL: actually, eons ago, i had issues like that with 10.04
[22:18] <holstein> JAMin wouldnt launch
[22:18] <holstein> ardour complained
[22:18] <holstein> lots of GTK errors
[22:18] <holstein> i dropped to a default ubuntu theme, and all was good
[22:18] <holstein> i couldnt reproduce it though
[22:22] <hakimsheriff> Well its downloading the divers but my internet is slow at the moment so it is going to take some time,
[22:23] <holstein> it?
[22:23] <holstein> what is?
[22:23] <holstein> what drivers?
[22:23] <holstein> thats an old link too
[22:23] <holstein> its more of a guide really
[22:24] <holstein> you'll just have to poke around
[22:24] <holstein> first thing i would do is force the vesa driver
[22:24] <holstein> that would tell me if its even the driver
[22:24] <holstein> otherwise, you can waste a lot of time installing some driver that may or may not work
[22:25] <hakimsheriff> What do you mean?
[22:25] <hakimsheriff> O gosh my internet keeps on cutting
[22:26] <hakimsheriff> So what were you saying?
[22:26] <holstein> im saying, you dont know it the driver is the issue
[22:27] <hakimsheriff> My internet is really messed up
[22:27] <holstein> you could waste time installing a driver from a 2 year old forum post
[22:27] <hakimsheriff> so what exactly should I do
[22:27] <hakimsheriff> sorry if i am making you repeat
[22:28] <holstein> hakimsheriff: no worries
[22:28] <holstein> i would force the vesa driver
[22:28] <hakimsheriff> And how do I do that?
[22:28] <holstein> that, in theory, removes your current driver from the equation
[22:28] <holstein> hakimsheriff: i would create a custom xorg.conf
[22:28] <holstein> what i usually do is run a live cd
[22:29] <holstein> knoppix
[22:29] <holstein> grab the xorg.conf from it, and edit it slightly
[22:29] <holstein> making the driver vesa
[22:29] <holstein> put that in place in the ubuntu install
[22:29] <holstein> see what its like
[22:29] <holstein> you'll want to know how to safely edit those files
[22:30] <holstein> otherwise... you can just search for a driver, but i dought you will find a better one than what is included in ubuntu
[22:30] <hakimsheriff> I have no idea how to edit the lines
[22:31] <holstein> OK... go with whats comfortable to you
[22:31] <hakimsheriff> I has always worked for me, its just now,
[22:31] <holstein> i mean, you're not going to know how to install that driver either
[22:31] <holstein> maybe try some live CD's
[22:31] <holstein> see if you can learn whats going on
[22:31] <holstein> hakimsheriff: it has always worked for you in linux?
[22:31] <holstein> when?
[22:31] <holstein> ubuntu?
[22:31] <hakimsheriff> always
[22:31] <holstein> 10.04?
[22:31] <holstein> thats what im using
[22:31] <hakimsheriff> Ubuntu 10.04
[22:31] <hakimsheriff> 10.10
[22:32] <hakimsheriff> 11.04
[22:32] <holstein> i personally consider 10.10 and 11.04 testing versions
[22:32] <hakimsheriff> and Kubuntu 10.10
[22:32] <holstein> and this is a great example
[22:32] <holstein> 10.04 is the last LTS
[22:32] <holstein> thats what im running where it matters
[22:32] <holstein> thats an arguable veiw point though....
[22:33] <holstein> also, if it used to work, you should be able to get it working
[22:33] <holstein> maybe a backport
[22:33] <holstein> id have to spend some time with te hardware
[22:33] <holstein> but, if it were me, i would just run 10.04
[22:33] <hakimsheriff> So a clean install?
[22:33] <holstein> its up to you
[22:33] <holstein> i mean, its just flash
[22:34] <holstein> and, you just started messing with it
[22:34] <holstein> could be a backport
[22:34] <hakimsheriff> O flash is very important for me
[22:34] <holstein> i would keep googling around
[22:34] <holstein> maybe ask in #ubuntu-beginners
[22:34] <holstein> not that you are a beginner
[22:34] <holstein> its just a nice community
[22:34] <hakimsheriff> is there a place where i could download the default drivers
[22:34] <holstein> hakimsheriff: thats the issue
[22:35] <holstein> ubuntu *should* be including the recent ones
[22:35] <hakimsheriff> btw... I am training to be in the Beginner Team
[22:35] <holstein> and if it used to work, i would think its something where the functionality is bypassed
[22:35] <hakimsheriff> Helping out with the support team
[22:35] <holstein> so, i would think it would be more likely a backport module would do the job
[22:36] <holstein> it would be challenging for the linux kernel to support all hardware all the time
[22:36] <holstein> at some point, hardware is phased out
[22:36] <holstein> but, its linux... you can always get it working
[22:37] <holstein> especially if it used to work
[22:37] <hakimsheriff> well it worked for 11.04 so it should work now
[22:37] <holstein> hakimsheriff: this is 11.04, right?
[22:37] <holstein> this is an 11.10 install?
[22:37] <holstein> alpha?
[22:38] <hakimsheriff> no this is 11.04
[22:38] <holstein> so... it worked when then?
[22:38] <hakimsheriff> When I installed it previously
[22:38] <holstein> i though you said it worked in 10.04, and in 10.10? and not now in 11.04?
[22:39] <holstein> ok.. so, it used to work in a previous 11.04 install then
[22:39] <hakimsheriff> And then my computer messed up so I had to reinstall everything, that is WHy I nstalled Ubuntu STudio
[22:39] <holstein> you could try reinstalling flash then
[22:39] <holstein> also, try in another user account
[22:39] <hakimsheriff> holstein, I tried another user account
[22:39] <hakimsheriff> didnt work
[22:39] <holstein> so, its flash then
[22:40] <holstein> did you reinstall it?
[22:40] <hakimsheriff> yes
[22:41] <hakimsheriff> let me try again
[22:41] <holstein> you seem to have turned the machine off mid upgrade too
[22:41] <holstein> thats not good
[22:41] <hakimsheriff> I think thats what might have happened
[22:42] <hakimsheriff> :S
[22:42] <holstein> yup
[22:42] <holstein> thats what those errors indicate
[22:42] <hakimsheriff> I could always do a clean install
[22:42] <holstein> sure
[22:42] <holstein> sometimes thats faster
[22:43] <hakimsheriff> okay then
[22:43] <holstein> but, you dont really learn what happened
[22:43] <hakimsheriff> thats what i'm doing
[22:44] <holstein> if it were me, i would play around a bit
[22:44] <holstein> knowing that im going to reinstall anyways
[22:44] <hakimsheriff> I dont have a lot of time on my hands
[22:44] <hakimsheriff> I will do a clean Install
[22:44] <holstein> then, you should run the LTS ;)
[22:45] <hakimsheriff> If everything worked fine on Natty why would I go back?
[22:45] <holstein> not that thats your issue
[22:45] <holstein> but, if time is a concern.. you can go 2+years without issue
[22:46] <holstein> but, do what you want... the software center is better
[22:46] <holstein> hakimsheriff: you thought about 11.10?
[22:46] <holstein> its pretty far along
[22:46] <holstein> you could get a jump on it, and help with bugs :)
[22:46] <hakimsheriff> Well I test live cd's ad virtual Machines
[22:47] <hakimsheriff> I did that for testing 11.04
[22:47] <hakimsheriff> Its not really time, its more of I dont know what to do if I just played around a bit with it
[22:48] <holstein> sure, you dont have to
[22:48] <holstein> there are bugs you just cant find live though...
[22:48] <holstein> i did it once
[22:48] <holstein> there was only once it didnt boot up to the desktop :)
[22:49] <holstein> that was 10.04 early alpha
[22:49] <hakimsheriff> I jus do that to the testing team, not as much for myself
[22:49] <hakimsheriff> I am in the Testing team and QUality Assurance team
[22:50] <holstein> interesting
[22:52] <hakimsheriff> SO I'll do a clean install now
[22:52] <hakimsheriff> See Ya!
[22:52] <holstein> naptime... good luck hakimsheriff :)