| micahg_ | charlie-tca: I pushed the changes to the seeds to bzr though, so the live media tomorrow should have gthumb and pastebinit | 00:50 |
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| charlie-tca | Thanks! | 00:50 |
| micahg_ | charlie-tca: BTW, I"m off tomorrow, so I won't be around until the evening | 00:50 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, we will try and make it without destroying anything | 00:51 |
| charlie-tca | Have a good day off | 00:51 |
| charlie-tca | I will leave this online for a couple of days, to see what happens with lightdm | 00:52 |
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| pleia2 | knome: screenshots added (didn't delete your thunar one) | 03:07 |
| pleia2 | I have a VM for this now, so we can get screenshots of whatever | 03:08 |
| Unit193 | LightDM? ;) | 03:09 |
| pleia2 | nah, natty screenshots | 03:09 |
| pleia2 | for the demo site at xubuntu.princessleia.com | 03:10 |
| pleia2 | elizabeth@coruscant:~$ task 13 done | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | Completed 13 'create xubuntu screenshots for knome' | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 03:13 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 03:13 |
| charlie-tca | Yay! | 03:14 |
| cody-somerville | ooo.... http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/ looks nice | 03:51 |
| astraljava | I agree, Princess Leia really looks nice. | 10:28 |
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| GridCube | all oneiric? even ubuntu's? | 14:56 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | Thus "All " | 14:57 |
| GridCube | i see | 14:57 |
| GridCube | :) good evening mister charlie-tca | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | I was hoping to get that across. I am glad it read the way I intended . | 14:57 |
| charlie-tca | Good evening, sir. | 14:57 |
| GridCube | yep because you usually say xubuntu desktop and not all | 14:58 |
| GridCube | how was yesterday's meeting, i havent seen the minutes | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | Well, I got to go fix a bicycle today for the grandson. | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | Um, good, I think | 14:59 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't got the minutes out yet, but will do that later today | 14:59 |
| GridCube | :D i know a thing or two about bicycles :D | 14:59 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Is the channel meetbot the same they have in #ubuntu-meeting? | 16:04 |
| astraljava | Ie. where does this one save the logs? | 16:04 |
| astraljava | Cause at the moment, mootbot's logs are on a server, the web service of which is broken, so I cannot fetch ours. | 16:05 |
| knome | astraljava, you don't log yourself? | 16:08 |
| astraljava | knome: I do, actually. :) | 16:08 |
| knome | then what's the problem?;) | 16:09 |
| astraljava | Good point. | 16:09 |
| astraljava | There is none. | 16:09 |
| knome | np | 16:09 |
| astraljava | Well the only thing I'd want is to point to a URL in the meeting entry, so I would have to upload minutes anywhere. | 16:10 |
| astraljava | wouldn't* | 16:10 |
| GridCube | astraljava: cant you use the irclogs? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/%23xubuntu-devel.html | 16:12 |
| knome | astraljava, just upload to the wikie | 16:13 |
| knome | -e | 16:13 |
| astraljava | GridCube: But then what's the point in using the meetbot in the first place? | 16:14 |
| astraljava | knome: Yeah but I don't wanna! :D | 16:14 |
| GridCube | dunno... whats the point on using a meetbot in the first place? | 16:15 |
| astraljava | Automatic minutes-keeping, for one?! :D | 16:15 |
| GridCube | the logs it generates arent as pretty as the irclogs htmls anyway | 16:15 |
| astraljava | Meh... I'm not doing it for the candy factor. | 16:16 |
| astraljava | GridCube: Hah! Actually, for that day, that's quite handy, cause there seems to have been no other traffic at all, so I can just link to that file and not worry about the cruft. Thanks! :D | 16:22 |
| GridCube | :D | 16:23 |
| astraljava | Anyone knows how to edit the wiki so that the link opens in a new tab, instead of over the current page? | 16:27 |
| astraljava | Or will user just have to middle|right-click themselves? | 16:28 |
| TheSheep | astraljava: the latter | 16:34 |
| TheSheep | astraljava: it's up to the user | 16:35 |
| TheSheep | astraljava: and it's like that on purpose | 16:35 |
| GridCube | >external link with linktext, open new window [[http://example.net/|example site|target="_blank"]] | 16:39 |
| GridCube | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking | 16:39 |
| astraljava | Oh cool, thanks for the both of ya! | 16:40 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: that produces incorrect html though | 16:41 |
| GridCube | not if you leave spaces | 16:41 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: leave spaces? | 16:41 |
| GridCube | [[http://example.net/ | example site | target="_blank"]] | 16:41 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: I mean that the target attribute on the <a> tag is not correct in the html version that moinmoin generates | 16:42 |
| GridCube | oh, well i don't know about that | 16:42 |
| TheSheep | I know it by a coincidence ;) | 16:42 |
| TheSheep | but yeah, I forgot that you can pass attributes for links and images in the markup | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | nice catch | 16:43 |
| GridCube | not all bugs are features | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: we actually had extensive discussions about that feature | 16:43 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: and in the end we decided to leave it but not advertise too much | 16:43 |
| GridCube | hahaha | 16:44 |
| TheSheep | in moinmoin that is | 16:44 |
| TheSheep | unfortunately it's a common requirement in various intranet wikis and such | 16:44 |
| GridCube | it works :/ | 16:49 |
| GridCube | it does open on a new tab, but maybe im not trying a hard coded url, lemme try a google search link | 16:51 |
| GridCube | yep it still works | 16:52 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: no, they are not in the same place | 16:53 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Okay. | 16:59 |
| charlie-tca | bot in -meeting stores meeting logs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | 17:00 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: it will work for eternity | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | GridCube: just the html validators will complain | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | (and usability experts) | 17:01 |
| TheSheep | ut who cares about them | 17:01 |
| charlie-tca | For those wondering, lightdm is getting a lot of attention this week. Hopefully, it will be working for us by the end of the week. | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | yay :) | 17:37 |
| TheSheep | \o/ | 17:39 |
| madnick | \:D/ | 17:41 |
| knome | /o\ | 17:41 |
| TheSheep | madnick: what's with your neck? that looks painful | 17:41 |
| madnick | :< | 17:41 |
| charlie-tca | Thank mr_pouit when he comes around. He got things rolling | 17:42 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: That page doesn't seem to have been updated recently either. | 18:18 |
| knome | what page | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | which one? | 18:18 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: But I need to get in touch with the people who do update it, cause Ubuntu Studio isn't there yet. | 18:18 |
| astraljava | the meeting logs page. | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | oh, are using meetingology or mootbot? | 18:19 |
| astraljava | mootbot | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | That doesn't separate by channel, but it by UTC, so it might be one day ahead or back from the actual date | 18:20 |
| charlie-tca | Most stuff even here is on the log for 2011-08-10 right now | 18:20 |
| astraljava | Yeah but that has stuff from mid-July on it. | 18:21 |
| astraljava | And Xubuntu distro link takes you to a non-existent page. | 18:22 |
| charlie-tca | I gave you a bad link | 18:22 |
| madnick | I looked at the Unity Greeter vala source alot today, everything is pretty much hardcoded :( I want to know if we want to use it before I start making any more massive changes :P | 18:22 |
| charlie-tca | look at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/ for #ubuntu-meeting | 18:22 |
| charlie-tca | We haven't decided yet, madnick | 18:23 |
| astraljava | Ahh... yeah, I know about that one, but thanks anyway. | 18:23 |
| charlie-tca | there should be two parts to lightdm configurations, one is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf for all distributions, and then there is lightdm-gtk-greeter, the general configuration greeter, and then there is unity-greeter which is specific to Ubuntu. | 18:24 |
| madnick | Yes | 18:24 |
| charlie-tca | We should be able to replace unity-greeter and have things our way | 18:24 |
| charlie-tca | astraljava: did you find your meeting? | 18:26 |
| charlie-tca | http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html | 18:26 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: and you should not have to use vala if you don't want to | 18:27 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: nope, you can use C as well :) | 18:27 |
| charlie-tca | but my understanding "today" is that we can build our own xubuntu-greeter to replace unity-greeter and everything "will just work". | 18:28 |
| charlie-tca | hahaha | 18:28 |
| madnick | Yes | 18:29 |
| madnick | But thats what I have questions about, is not the unity greeter a big step up from the default greeter? | 18:29 |
| madnick | We can do our own completely, but then we need a brand new design :P | 18:29 |
| charlie-tca | yes, it probably is a big step, and yes, we do our own | 18:30 |
| charlie-tca | Unless you really want to just copy and modify unity-greeter, which can be copied to xubuntu-greeter and fixed to work for us | 18:31 |
| charlie-tca | We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions | 18:31 |
| madnick | okay :) | 18:31 |
| * charlie-tca thinks you know, the little things that make Xubuntu what it is. | 18:32 | |
| knome | hmm. | 18:32 |
| knome | i'm not sure if we should BLOCK the other session really. | 18:32 |
| knome | some people do want to use both the xubuntu desktop and the other flavors too | 18:32 |
| madnick | If someone apt-get install gnome-desktop or similar, that should show, but not as default imo | 18:32 |
| charlie-tca | we don't BLOCK anything. We do NOT supply sessions for everything possible to add to Xubuntu | 18:33 |
| charlie-tca | We only supply two default sessions, xubuntu and xfce | 18:33 |
| knome | madnick, that's my concern. if you install ubuntu-desktop, the ubuntu session definitely should show up. | 18:33 |
| knome | charlie-tca, yes, but i think you're missing my point. | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | I don't really care at this time about getting lightdm to work with all possible sessions someone could have. I care about getting it work for Xubuntu | 18:34 |
| charlie-tca | knome: I am more concerned that Xubuntu session shows up right now. If it doesn't work for us, it is worthless as a display manager. | 18:34 |
| knome | charlie-tca, of course, but you do realize that it's really bad from us if we block the other sessions for no specific reason | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | If the only sessions that work correctly are Ubuntu, unity, gnome, then lightdm is failing to work at all | 18:35 |
| charlie-tca | Why would you specifically block them? | 18:35 |
| knome | i understood that when you said: | 18:36 |
| knome | 21:31 charlie-tca: We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there | 18:36 |
| knome | "at all" means "they are not going to be there at all" | 18:36 |
| charlie-tca | Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there | 18:36 |
| knome | they shouldn't, if xubuntu-desktop isn't installed | 18:36 |
| knome | but they should, if it is | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | Then we do not need to put those sessions in our greeter either | 18:37 |
| knome | if the unity-greeter is blocking them, they are going the wrong direction | 18:37 |
| charlie-tca | madnick understands what I said. leave it | 18:37 |
| knome | there's no need to payback | 18:37 |
| knome | okay... | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | I do not care if those sessions are in our greeter. I do care if xubuntu and xfce sessions are working. | 18:38 |
| knome | of course, that's the priority. | 18:38 |
| knome | but if those are working, and we can list the other sessions too without breaking our sessions, we should. | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | I really do not need a list of every possible session. | 18:38 |
| charlie-tca | When I log in, I only want to see two sessions listed, xubuntu and xfce. | 18:39 |
| knome | you might not, but some people might, and i think it's a bad choice to leave them unlisted | 18:39 |
| charlie-tca | and more will file bugs if they are listed and don't do anything | 18:39 |
| knome | of course they shouldn't be listed if they don't work | 18:40 |
| charlie-tca | Let's work on one problem at a time. We do not need to complicate things. We just need to get it working. | 18:40 |
| knome | didn't disagree about that | 18:40 |
| madnick | Well, I can't begin doing the UI for it until we decided how we want it to look :) | 18:43 |
| madnick | i will show some ideas | 18:43 |
| madnick | but it will take a little while, because i need to eat something :) | 18:44 |
| astraljava | charlie-tca: Yeah, luckily, there was no other activity on that day, so I could just link to the irclogs.u.c page. | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | That's the easy way ;) | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: doesn't even have to be this week | 18:45 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: oh okay :P | 18:46 |
| charlie-tca | madnick: more changes to lightdm are coming down the road | 20:39 |
| madnick | charlie-tca: okay :) | 20:39 |
| madnick | I just hope it happens in time | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | keep an eye on bug 799754 | 20:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754 | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | That should get the answer first | 20:41 |
| madnick | thanks | 20:42 |
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