[00:50] <micahg_> charlie-tca: I pushed the changes to the seeds to bzr though, so the live media tomorrow should have gthumb and pastebinit
[00:50] <charlie-tca> Thanks!
[00:50] <micahg_> charlie-tca: BTW, I"m off tomorrow, so I won't be around until the evening
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will try and make it without destroying anything
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Have a good day off
[00:52] <charlie-tca> I will leave this online for a couple of days, to see what happens with lightdm
[03:07] <pleia2> knome: screenshots added (didn't delete your thunar one)
[03:08] <pleia2> I have a VM for this now, so we can get screenshots of whatever
[03:09] <Unit193> LightDM? ;)
[03:09] <pleia2> nah, natty screenshots
[03:10] <pleia2> for the demo site at xubuntu.princessleia.com
[03:13] <pleia2> elizabeth@coruscant:~$ task 13 done
[03:13] <pleia2> Completed 13 'create xubuntu screenshots for knome'
[03:13] <pleia2> \o/
[03:13] <pleia2> ;)
[03:14] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[03:51] <cody-somerville> ooo.... http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/ looks nice
[10:28] <astraljava> I agree, Princess Leia really looks nice.
[14:56] <GridCube> all oneiric? even ubuntu's?
[14:57] <charlie-tca> yup
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Thus "All "
[14:57] <GridCube> i see
[14:57] <GridCube> :) good evening mister charlie-tca 
[14:57] <charlie-tca> I was hoping to get that across. I am glad it read the way I intended .
[14:57] <charlie-tca> Good evening, sir.
[14:58] <GridCube> yep because you usually say xubuntu desktop and not all
[14:59] <GridCube> how was yesterday's meeting, i havent seen the minutes
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Well, I got to go fix a bicycle today for the grandson.
[14:59] <charlie-tca> Um, good, I think
[14:59] <charlie-tca> I haven't got the minutes out yet, but will do that later today
[14:59] <GridCube> :D i know a thing or two about bicycles :D
[16:04] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Is the channel meetbot the same they have in #ubuntu-meeting?
[16:04] <astraljava> Ie. where does this one save the logs?
[16:05] <astraljava> Cause at the moment, mootbot's logs are on a server, the web service of which is broken, so I cannot fetch ours.
[16:08] <knome> astraljava, you don't log yourself?
[16:08] <astraljava> knome: I do, actually. :)
[16:09] <knome> then what's the problem?;)
[16:09] <astraljava> Good point.
[16:09] <astraljava> There is none.
[16:09] <knome> np
[16:10] <astraljava> Well the only thing I'd want is to point to a URL in the meeting entry, so I would have to upload minutes anywhere.
[16:10] <astraljava> wouldn't*
[16:12] <GridCube> astraljava: cant you use the irclogs? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[16:13] <knome> astraljava, just upload to the wikie
[16:13] <knome> -e
[16:14] <astraljava> GridCube: But then what's the point in using the meetbot in the first place?
[16:14] <astraljava> knome: Yeah but I don't wanna! :D
[16:15] <GridCube> dunno... whats the point on using a meetbot in the first place?
[16:15] <astraljava> Automatic minutes-keeping, for one?! :D
[16:15] <GridCube> the logs it generates arent as pretty as the irclogs htmls anyway
[16:16] <astraljava> Meh... I'm not doing it for the candy factor.
[16:22] <astraljava> GridCube: Hah! Actually, for that day, that's quite handy, cause there seems to have been no other traffic at all, so I can just link to that file and not worry about the cruft. Thanks! :D
[16:23] <GridCube> :D
[16:27] <astraljava> Anyone knows how to edit the wiki so that the link opens in a new tab, instead of over the current page?
[16:28] <astraljava> Or will user just have to middle|right-click themselves?
[16:34] <TheSheep> astraljava: the latter
[16:35] <TheSheep> astraljava: it's up to the user
[16:35] <TheSheep> astraljava: and it's like that on purpose
[16:39] <GridCube> >external link with linktext, open new window 	  [[http://example.net/|example site|target="_blank"]] 
[16:39] <GridCube> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking
[16:40] <astraljava> Oh cool, thanks for the both of ya!
[16:41] <TheSheep> GridCube: that produces incorrect html though
[16:41] <GridCube> not if you leave spaces
[16:41] <TheSheep> GridCube: leave spaces?
[16:41] <GridCube> [[http://example.net/ | example site | target="_blank"]] 
[16:42] <TheSheep> GridCube: I mean that the target attribute on the <a> tag is not correct in the html version that moinmoin generates
[16:42] <GridCube> oh, well i don't know about that
[16:42] <TheSheep> I know it by a coincidence ;)
[16:43] <TheSheep> but yeah, I forgot that you can pass attributes for links and images in the markup
[16:43] <TheSheep> nice catch
[16:43] <GridCube> not all bugs are features
[16:43] <TheSheep> GridCube: we actually had extensive discussions about that feature
[16:43] <TheSheep> GridCube: and in the end we decided to leave it but not advertise too much
[16:44] <GridCube> hahaha
[16:44] <TheSheep> in moinmoin that is
[16:44] <TheSheep> unfortunately it's a common requirement in various intranet wikis and such
[16:49] <GridCube> it works :/
[16:51] <GridCube> it does open on a new tab, but maybe im not trying a hard coded url, lemme try a google search link
[16:52] <GridCube> yep it still works
[16:53] <charlie-tca> astraljava: no, they are not in the same place
[16:59] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Okay.
[17:00] <charlie-tca> bot in -meeting stores meeting logs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs
[17:01] <TheSheep> GridCube: it will work for eternity
[17:01] <TheSheep> GridCube: just the html validators will complain
[17:01] <TheSheep> (and usability experts)
[17:01] <TheSheep> ut who cares about them
[17:37] <charlie-tca> For those wondering, lightdm is getting a lot of attention this week. Hopefully, it will be working for us by the end of the week.
[17:37] <pleia2> yay :)
[17:39] <TheSheep> \o/
[17:41] <madnick> \:D/
[17:41] <knome> /o\
[17:41] <TheSheep> madnick: what's with your neck? that looks painful
[17:41] <madnick> :<
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Thank mr_pouit when he comes around. He got things rolling
[18:18] <astraljava> charlie-tca: That page doesn't seem to have been updated recently either.
[18:18] <knome> what page
[18:18] <charlie-tca> which one?
[18:18] <astraljava> charlie-tca: But I need to get  in touch with the people who do update it, cause Ubuntu Studio isn't there yet.
[18:19] <astraljava> the meeting logs page.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> oh, are using meetingology or mootbot?
[18:19] <astraljava> mootbot
[18:20] <charlie-tca> That doesn't separate by channel, but it by UTC, so it might be one day ahead or back from the actual date
[18:20] <charlie-tca> Most stuff even here is on the log for 2011-08-10 right now
[18:21] <astraljava> Yeah but that has stuff from mid-July on it.
[18:22] <astraljava> And Xubuntu distro link takes you to a non-existent page.
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I gave you a bad link
[18:22] <madnick> I looked at the Unity Greeter vala source alot today, everything is pretty much hardcoded :( I want to know if we want to use it before I start making any more massive changes :P
[18:22] <charlie-tca> look at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/ for #ubuntu-meeting
[18:23] <charlie-tca> We haven't decided yet, madnick 
[18:23] <astraljava> Ahh... yeah, I know about that one, but thanks anyway.
[18:24] <charlie-tca> there should be two parts to lightdm configurations, one is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf for all distributions, and then there is lightdm-gtk-greeter, the general configuration greeter, and then there is unity-greeter which is specific to Ubuntu.
[18:24] <madnick> Yes
[18:24] <charlie-tca> We should be able to replace unity-greeter and have things our way
[18:26] <charlie-tca> astraljava: did you find your meeting?
[18:26] <charlie-tca> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[18:27] <charlie-tca> madnick: and you should not have to use vala if you don't want to
[18:27] <madnick> charlie-tca: nope, you can use C as well :)
[18:28] <charlie-tca> but my understanding "today" is that we can build our own xubuntu-greeter to replace unity-greeter and everything "will just work".
[18:28] <charlie-tca> hahaha
[18:29] <madnick> Yes
[18:29] <madnick> But thats what I have questions about, is not the unity greeter a big step up from the default greeter?
[18:29] <madnick> We can do our own completely, but then we need a brand new design :P
[18:30] <charlie-tca> yes, it probably is a big step, and yes, we do our own 
[18:31] <charlie-tca> Unless you really want to just copy and modify unity-greeter, which can be copied to xubuntu-greeter and fixed to work for us
[18:31] <charlie-tca> We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions
[18:31] <madnick> okay :)
[18:32]  * charlie-tca thinks you know, the little things that make Xubuntu what it is.
[18:32] <knome> hmm.
[18:32] <knome> i'm not sure if we should BLOCK the other session really.
[18:32] <knome> some people do want to use both the xubuntu desktop and the other flavors too
[18:32] <madnick> If someone apt-get install gnome-desktop or similar, that should show, but not as default imo
[18:33] <charlie-tca> we don't BLOCK anything. We do NOT supply sessions for everything possible to add to Xubuntu
[18:33] <charlie-tca> We only supply two default sessions, xubuntu and xfce
[18:33] <knome> madnick, that's my concern. if you install ubuntu-desktop, the ubuntu session definitely should show up.
[18:34] <knome> charlie-tca, yes, but i think you're missing my point.
[18:34] <charlie-tca> I don't really care at this time about getting lightdm to work with all possible sessions someone could have. I care about getting it work for Xubuntu
[18:34] <charlie-tca> knome: I am more concerned that Xubuntu session shows up right now. If it doesn't work for us, it is worthless as a display manager. 
[18:35] <knome> charlie-tca, of course, but you do realize that it's really bad from us if we block the other sessions for no specific reason
[18:35] <charlie-tca> If the only sessions that work correctly are Ubuntu, unity, gnome, then lightdm is failing to work at all
[18:35] <charlie-tca> Why would you specifically block them?
[18:36] <knome> i understood that when you said:
[18:36] <knome> 21:31  charlie-tca: We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there
[18:36] <knome> "at all" means "they are not going to be there at all"
[18:36] <charlie-tca> Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there
[18:36] <knome> they shouldn't, if xubuntu-desktop isn't installed
[18:37] <knome> but they should, if it is
[18:37] <charlie-tca> Then we do not need to put those sessions in our greeter either
[18:37] <knome> if the unity-greeter is blocking them, they are going the wrong direction
[18:37] <charlie-tca> madnick understands what I said. leave it
[18:37] <knome> there's no need to payback
[18:38] <knome> okay...
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I do not care if those sessions are in our greeter. I do care if xubuntu and xfce sessions are working.
[18:38] <knome> of course, that's the priority.
[18:38] <knome> but if those are working, and we can list the other sessions too without breaking our sessions, we should.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> I really do not need a list of every possible session.
[18:39] <charlie-tca> When I log in, I only want to see two sessions listed, xubuntu and xfce. 
[18:39] <knome> you might not, but some people might, and i think it's a bad choice to leave them unlisted
[18:39] <charlie-tca> and more will file bugs if they are listed and don't do anything
[18:40] <knome> of course they shouldn't be listed if they don't work
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Let's work on one problem at a time. We do not need to complicate things. We just need to get it working.
[18:40] <knome> didn't disagree about that
[18:43] <madnick> Well, I can't begin doing the UI for it until we decided how we want it to look :)
[18:43] <madnick> i will show some ideas
[18:44] <madnick> but it will take a little while, because i need to eat something :)
[18:44] <astraljava> charlie-tca: Yeah, luckily, there was no other activity on that day, so I could just link to the irclogs.u.c page.
[18:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:45] <charlie-tca> That's the easy way ;)
[18:45] <charlie-tca> madnick: doesn't even have to be this week
[18:46] <madnick> charlie-tca: oh okay :P
[20:39] <charlie-tca> madnick: more changes to lightdm are coming down the road
[20:39] <madnick> charlie-tca: okay :)
[20:40] <madnick> I just hope it happens in time
[20:41] <charlie-tca> keep an eye on bug 799754
[20:41] <charlie-tca> That should get the answer first
[20:42] <madnick> thanks