[00:50] charlie-tca: I pushed the changes to the seeds to bzr though, so the live media tomorrow should have gthumb and pastebinit [00:50] Thanks! [00:50] charlie-tca: BTW, I"m off tomorrow, so I won't be around until the evening [00:51] Okay, we will try and make it without destroying anything [00:51] Have a good day off [00:52] I will leave this online for a couple of days, to see what happens with lightdm === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-08-14 | Oneiric images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/ [03:07] knome: screenshots added (didn't delete your thunar one) [03:08] I have a VM for this now, so we can get screenshots of whatever [03:09] LightDM? ;) [03:09] nah, natty screenshots [03:10] for the demo site at xubuntu.princessleia.com [03:13] elizabeth@coruscant:~$ task 13 done [03:13] Completed 13 'create xubuntu screenshots for knome' [03:13] \o/ [03:13] ;) [03:14] Yay! [03:51] ooo.... http://xubuntu.princessleia.com/ looks nice [10:28] I agree, Princess Leia really looks nice. === ChanServ changed the topic of #xubuntu-devel to: Xubuntu Development | Want to get involved? See: http://xubuntu.org/contribute | #xubuntu for support, #xubuntu-offtopic for general discussion | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu | Xubuntu Community meeting 2011-08-14 | All Oneiric Desktop images are broken [14:56] all oneiric? even ubuntu's? [14:57] yup [14:57] Thus "All " [14:57] i see [14:57] :) good evening mister charlie-tca [14:57] I was hoping to get that across. I am glad it read the way I intended . [14:57] Good evening, sir. [14:58] yep because you usually say xubuntu desktop and not all [14:59] how was yesterday's meeting, i havent seen the minutes [14:59] Well, I got to go fix a bicycle today for the grandson. [14:59] Um, good, I think [14:59] I haven't got the minutes out yet, but will do that later today [14:59] :D i know a thing or two about bicycles :D [16:04] charlie-tca: Is the channel meetbot the same they have in #ubuntu-meeting? [16:04] Ie. where does this one save the logs? [16:05] Cause at the moment, mootbot's logs are on a server, the web service of which is broken, so I cannot fetch ours. [16:08] astraljava, you don't log yourself? [16:08] knome: I do, actually. :) [16:09] then what's the problem?;) [16:09] Good point. [16:09] There is none. [16:09] np [16:10] Well the only thing I'd want is to point to a URL in the meeting entry, so I would have to upload minutes anywhere. [16:10] wouldn't* [16:12] astraljava: cant you use the irclogs? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/%23xubuntu-devel.html [16:13] astraljava, just upload to the wikie [16:13] -e [16:14] GridCube: But then what's the point in using the meetbot in the first place? [16:14] knome: Yeah but I don't wanna! :D [16:15] dunno... whats the point on using a meetbot in the first place? [16:15] Automatic minutes-keeping, for one?! :D [16:15] the logs it generates arent as pretty as the irclogs htmls anyway [16:16] Meh... I'm not doing it for the candy factor. [16:22] GridCube: Hah! Actually, for that day, that's quite handy, cause there seems to have been no other traffic at all, so I can just link to that file and not worry about the cruft. Thanks! :D [16:23] :D [16:27] Anyone knows how to edit the wiki so that the link opens in a new tab, instead of over the current page? [16:28] Or will user just have to middle|right-click themselves? [16:34] astraljava: the latter [16:35] astraljava: it's up to the user [16:35] astraljava: and it's like that on purpose [16:39] >external link with linktext, open new window [[http://example.net/|example site|target="_blank"]] [16:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnLinking [16:40] Oh cool, thanks for the both of ya! [16:41] GridCube: that produces incorrect html though [16:41] not if you leave spaces [16:41] GridCube: leave spaces? [16:41] [[http://example.net/ | example site | target="_blank"]] [16:42] GridCube: I mean that the target attribute on the tag is not correct in the html version that moinmoin generates [16:42] oh, well i don't know about that [16:42] I know it by a coincidence ;) [16:43] but yeah, I forgot that you can pass attributes for links and images in the markup [16:43] nice catch [16:43] not all bugs are features [16:43] GridCube: we actually had extensive discussions about that feature [16:43] GridCube: and in the end we decided to leave it but not advertise too much [16:44] hahaha [16:44] in moinmoin that is [16:44] unfortunately it's a common requirement in various intranet wikis and such [16:49] it works :/ [16:51] it does open on a new tab, but maybe im not trying a hard coded url, lemme try a google search link [16:52] yep it still works [16:53] astraljava: no, they are not in the same place [16:59] charlie-tca: Okay. [17:00] bot in -meeting stores meeting logs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs [17:01] GridCube: it will work for eternity [17:01] GridCube: just the html validators will complain [17:01] (and usability experts) [17:01] ut who cares about them [17:37] For those wondering, lightdm is getting a lot of attention this week. Hopefully, it will be working for us by the end of the week. [17:37] yay :) [17:39] \o/ [17:41] \:D/ [17:41] /o\ [17:41] madnick: what's with your neck? that looks painful [17:41] :< [17:42] Thank mr_pouit when he comes around. He got things rolling [18:18] charlie-tca: That page doesn't seem to have been updated recently either. [18:18] what page [18:18] which one? [18:18] charlie-tca: But I need to get in touch with the people who do update it, cause Ubuntu Studio isn't there yet. [18:19] the meeting logs page. [18:19] oh, are using meetingology or mootbot? [18:19] mootbot [18:20] That doesn't separate by channel, but it by UTC, so it might be one day ahead or back from the actual date [18:20] Most stuff even here is on the log for 2011-08-10 right now [18:21] Yeah but that has stuff from mid-July on it. [18:22] And Xubuntu distro link takes you to a non-existent page. [18:22] I gave you a bad link [18:22] I looked at the Unity Greeter vala source alot today, everything is pretty much hardcoded :( I want to know if we want to use it before I start making any more massive changes :P [18:22] look at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/08/ for #ubuntu-meeting [18:23] We haven't decided yet, madnick [18:23] Ahh... yeah, I know about that one, but thanks anyway. [18:24] there should be two parts to lightdm configurations, one is in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf for all distributions, and then there is lightdm-gtk-greeter, the general configuration greeter, and then there is unity-greeter which is specific to Ubuntu. [18:24] Yes [18:24] We should be able to replace unity-greeter and have things our way [18:26] astraljava: did you find your meeting? [18:26] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/08/07/%23ubuntu-meeting.html [18:27] madnick: and you should not have to use vala if you don't want to [18:27] charlie-tca: nope, you can use C as well :) [18:28] but my understanding "today" is that we can build our own xubuntu-greeter to replace unity-greeter and everything "will just work". [18:28] hahaha [18:29] Yes [18:29] But thats what I have questions about, is not the unity greeter a big step up from the default greeter? [18:29] We can do our own completely, but then we need a brand new design :P [18:30] yes, it probably is a big step, and yes, we do our own [18:31] Unless you really want to just copy and modify unity-greeter, which can be copied to xubuntu-greeter and fixed to work for us [18:31] We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions [18:31] okay :) [18:32] * charlie-tca thinks you know, the little things that make Xubuntu what it is. [18:32] hmm. [18:32] i'm not sure if we should BLOCK the other session really. [18:32] some people do want to use both the xubuntu desktop and the other flavors too [18:32] If someone apt-get install gnome-desktop or similar, that should show, but not as default imo [18:33] we don't BLOCK anything. We do NOT supply sessions for everything possible to add to Xubuntu [18:33] We only supply two default sessions, xubuntu and xfce [18:33] madnick, that's my concern. if you install ubuntu-desktop, the ubuntu session definitely should show up. [18:34] charlie-tca, yes, but i think you're missing my point. [18:34] I don't really care at this time about getting lightdm to work with all possible sessions someone could have. I care about getting it work for Xubuntu [18:34] knome: I am more concerned that Xubuntu session shows up right now. If it doesn't work for us, it is worthless as a display manager. [18:35] charlie-tca, of course, but you do realize that it's really bad from us if we block the other sessions for no specific reason [18:35] If the only sessions that work correctly are Ubuntu, unity, gnome, then lightdm is failing to work at all [18:35] Why would you specifically block them? [18:36] i understood that when you said: [18:36] 21:31 charlie-tca: We don't want gnome/classic/unity/ubuntu sessions at all, we need xubuntu and xfce sessions [18:36] Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there [18:36] "at all" means "they are not going to be there at all" [18:36] Go look in unity-greeter and see if xubuntu and xfce are there [18:36] they shouldn't, if xubuntu-desktop isn't installed [18:37] but they should, if it is [18:37] Then we do not need to put those sessions in our greeter either [18:37] if the unity-greeter is blocking them, they are going the wrong direction [18:37] madnick understands what I said. leave it [18:37] there's no need to payback [18:38] okay... [18:38] I do not care if those sessions are in our greeter. I do care if xubuntu and xfce sessions are working. [18:38] of course, that's the priority. [18:38] but if those are working, and we can list the other sessions too without breaking our sessions, we should. [18:38] I really do not need a list of every possible session. [18:39] When I log in, I only want to see two sessions listed, xubuntu and xfce. [18:39] you might not, but some people might, and i think it's a bad choice to leave them unlisted [18:39] and more will file bugs if they are listed and don't do anything [18:40] of course they shouldn't be listed if they don't work [18:40] Let's work on one problem at a time. We do not need to complicate things. We just need to get it working. [18:40] didn't disagree about that [18:43] Well, I can't begin doing the UI for it until we decided how we want it to look :) [18:43] i will show some ideas [18:44] but it will take a little while, because i need to eat something :) [18:44] charlie-tca: Yeah, luckily, there was no other activity on that day, so I could just link to the irclogs.u.c page. [18:45] yup [18:45] That's the easy way ;) [18:45] madnick: doesn't even have to be this week [18:46] charlie-tca: oh okay :P [20:39] madnick: more changes to lightdm are coming down the road [20:39] charlie-tca: okay :) [20:40] I just hope it happens in time [20:41] keep an eye on bug 799754 [20:41] Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754 [20:41] That should get the answer first [20:42] thanks