[00:00] Since this is a fresh install i probably dont have it. [00:00] any easy way to check? [00:05] ChristopherNG: you probably copy&paste from terminal, right? [00:06] yes [00:06] What you see on terminal is not the whole output [00:08] you should read the log using 'cat' and pipe it to easy to use pastebinit program [00:08] cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit [00:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/661528/ [00:10] i used "more" and i copied it page by page [00:10] alot about Nouvea there [00:10] Sure you use it [00:10] It supports 3D as well [00:11] These guys did awesome job (I'll say impossible one) [00:11] nouveau developers [00:11] performance isn't that great, but it is quite usable [00:11] Yeah, well i already have it so i will try the additional driver now [00:12] Sure, nvidia drivers can be installed from ubuntu repostries [00:12] Probably that 'Hardware drivers' thing is the easiest way to install it [00:12] need to reboot [00:42] ok, i got a screenshot of the "unable to handle kernel paging request" error I mentioned earlier. [00:42] http://imgur.com/a/ZmQrW [00:50] Dropped by earlier and someone helped me get my top menu bars restarted. Now I am missing the Mazimize and minimize buttons in apps. Ideas? [00:50] the last few lines before the probelm in sys.log are here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661556/ [00:56] Found it. This did it - xfwm4 --replace & [01:13] Unit193, you still there? [01:14] tanner_: Am noe === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [01:14] Well, now [01:15] oh, just posted the images from the error, and the few entries from sys.log before the last crash [01:15] tanner_: Set your screensaver to blankscreen or one you KNOW and have seen work [01:16] tanner_: To make sure you know the issue, set the screensaver to only "GLText" and type xscreensaver-command -activate in a terminal [01:18] i'm not sure i've seen one working, at least not since the upgrade to xubuntu. [01:18] 1 sec, let me go try that [01:18] Warning: That's what I think is killing it === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [01:20] when i came in to the room, the GLText screensaver was up [01:20] (it was set to random) [01:21] i came out of it, and set it to only one screensaver and set it to GLText and ran the command, it is now running the screensaver [01:23] So it's not happening everytime, is that really the issue is the question now. (Really seems like it is) [01:25] just stepped out to the bathroom, when I came back, the screensaver was gone with an error message in yellow: [01:25] radeon_bo_fixed_map failed to map bo [01:25] EE_Radeon... and i didn't get the rest before it went away [01:26] then i moved the mouse and it went back to the desktop [01:26] so I'm running the screensaver again to see if it happens again [01:26] Yep, I get that. Do you happen to have an 8xx chipset video card? :P (I don't remember if you already said what you had) [01:27] i'm not 100% sure what is in there, i might have some old paperwork, let me see. [01:28] lspci |grep VGA [01:28] ^^ Run that in terminal [01:29] ATI Tech.. RV620 LE [ Radeon HD 3450[ [01:32] got the drivers installed right [01:59] tanner_: using xscreensaver? Try deleting ~/.xscreensaver and ~/.gnomesaver [01:59] Carrying /home forward will cause those to be left over from the old install, and it will make trouble [02:00] true === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === xtrahi is now known as xtralo [04:22] charlie-tca, thanks i've removed the .xscreensaver and the gnome one wasn't there. no freezes yet. [04:22] * Unit193 makes a note [05:01] ohw do i change an exe from the internet so i can use it? [05:02] as in give permission [05:02] i forget the command [05:04] chmod +x virus.exe [05:05] what does chmod stand for so i can remember next time? [05:05] suppose even the +x [05:07] Change mode add executable [05:10] k === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [05:21] whats the best cd/dvd writing software preferably one that wipes discs well [05:23] !best [05:23] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [05:24] hello i have maybe a corrupt kernel if i play a video, i fly out and have to login again [05:30] k, well i hope brasero will wipe my cd-rw no problem [08:29] hi [08:30] how can i fix chinese character fonts not to appear like alien fonts? [08:30] i d/l the chinese fonts but some songs are still in alien fonts while some are in proper chinese texts. [08:38] i d/l the chinese fonts but some songs are still in alien fonts while some are in proper chinese texts. [08:44] !repeat| ionite [08:44] ionite: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [08:48] howdi folks, quick question; how do I go about setting keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between desktops? I usually have ctrl+alt+shift+(left/right arrow). === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [10:16] to open EXE files besides wine HQ what else can i use? [10:18] virtualization and sometimes mono [10:26] Hi, how can I manage the password keyring which is used by Thunar? [10:27] knome: how do i kill a window in terminal? what do i type? [10:27] ionite: xkill [10:27] knome: which is better? to use wine or virtualisation === MJBrune is now known as JMrune === JMrune is now known as MJBrune [10:31] ionite: on virtual windows every works, if you don't need graphics acceleration [10:32] ionite, depends on what you are doing, how often, how stable you need it to be... [10:32] and how much resources you have [10:32] Sysi: it's a text based research tool. graphics are minimal. [10:32] Sysi: how do i go about? [10:33] is it dos-program? [10:33] Sysi: no. it's just a EXE file. [10:38] ionite, does something in it NOT work with wine? [10:40] knome: nah but WINE can't run the EXE file properly. [10:40] you are being contradictory [10:41] "nothing doesn't work but it doesn't run properly" [11:07] ionite: On windows; is it a terminal program or a separate text window? [11:25] bolster: separate window text [11:25] ionite: and when you say its not working properly, what do you expect it to do and what does it do instead? [11:26] bolster: i checked the terminal it says alot of missing DLL files [11:26] bolster: i copied the entire CD to my external HDD and install it from my external HDD [11:30] ionite: dare I ask what is it called? It sounds like you might be better off with visualization; virtualbox is generally the easiest. There are plenty of ways to acquire a windows iso. [11:31] !crosspost | ionite [11:31] ionite: Please don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support. [11:31] ionite: also, this is not a ubuntu issue, its a #wine issue, at best... [11:32] ionite, /join #winehq [11:32] !appdb | ionite [11:32] ionite: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [12:31] So, for a relevant question about xubuntu, how do I go about setting keyboard shortcuts for moving windows between desktops? I usually have ctrl+alt+shift+(left/right arrow)? [12:32] bolster, maybe better to ask #xfce :) [12:32] tbh i don't know if/how that is possible, but they might know [12:33] knome: darn! foiled again! Ok, thanks guys, I'll check them out. [12:33] no problem [12:39] http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/3030/201108090536371680x1050.png If you look at the font, xubuntu is really messing up on me for no reason. Any ideas even where to check? [12:55] MJBrune: what font are you using, does something other work? [12:55] Sysi: default [12:55] Sysi: no [12:55] try logging out and back in [12:56] Sysi: thats not a solution [12:56] Sysi: I am sure it will work but I don't want to have to do that every 3 hours [12:56] hello folks [12:56] Im just going insane trying to connect this laptop to the tv [12:56] MJBrune: it systematically happens every 3 hours? [12:56] Sysi: no but it happens often [12:58] MJBrune: up-to-date xubuntu? [12:58] what if you change antialiasing settings, like hinting [12:59] or actually I'd guess it's something with xorg, what GPU and what driver? [13:00] Sysi: yes [13:03] Sysi: how can I check my gpu? [13:03] Sysi: I am not sure my video card has an actual model... [13:03] lspci | grep VGA [13:04] Sysi: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) [13:07] hum, should work [13:07] it works fine [13:08] xubuntu just seems to have poor developers or something [13:08] ahem? [13:08] how does that relate to anything [13:08] well this system is bloated... [13:09] any rationales? [13:09] well I bet this font is messing up has something to do with the over bloatness of the current utilities [13:10] how do you think they would be connected? [13:10] so you are just guessing, am i right? [13:10] knome: well FBSD works well on this machine [13:11] with the same software without the ubuntu utils [13:11] 256mb ram? [13:11] yeah, and while xubuntu has one problem, does it mean it's bloated? [13:11] if you don't like xubuntu, you can try lubuntu [13:11] knome: no its rather bloated because it actually is rather bloated. [13:12] you could also do minimal install of ubuntu and install pure xfce on that [13:12] I don't call working on machine with 512MB ram bloated [13:12] I'm on a 512 MB machine [13:12] its pretty bloated to me [13:12] "it works, must be horribly bloated" what [13:13] It runs on a 512 MB machine but not well. [13:13] and it doesn't work obviously [13:13] if you want less "bloated", try lubuntu/lxde [13:13] or you can use freebsd [13:14] knome: but compiling 24/7 isn't really not-bloated [13:14] Sysi: FBSD doesn't require compiling 24/7 [13:14] Sysi, who am i to say that? :) [13:15] MJBrune: oh, great [13:15] anyways this system seems really dodgy [13:15] its been rather poor across systems [13:15] you are free to quit using it. [13:15] well I understand that [13:16] too bad you're having (unusual) problems [13:16] if you are not going to ask any support questions but only rant, please leave [13:16] but my real question is why does so many utils bloating it down? [13:16] that it would have features [13:16] i agree with Sysi. this is maybe the second time ever i see this problem in any system. [13:17] Sysi: I have the same features in BSD and xfce and it works well but I wanted to support linux [13:17] MJBrune, xubuntu is not trying to be as light as possible, it is also focusing in usability. did you have a serious support question? [13:17] well how can I disable all the utils? [13:17] MJBrune: maybe you're not using all features of xubuntu [13:18] !minimal | MJBrune [13:18] MJBrune: The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [13:18] perhaps I just don't need them, I don't want to waste another CD or spend time reinstalling [13:18] what are the packages so I can remove them [13:19] wait, what? you are asking us which packages you think are bloating your system? [13:19] knome: no I am asking what packages are the system utilities [13:19] all of them that the xubuntu distro developes for the os [13:20] MJBrune, xubuntu does not develop pretty much any utils. [13:20] this includes ubuntu utils [13:20] MJBrune, xubuntu is providing xfce for the ubuntu core, with applications [13:21] im just looking for the list of ubuntu/xubuntu specific utils [13:21] MJBrune, those are in the ubuntu core, so they are in every *buntu* installation. i don't know what the specific list for ubuntu-specific applications/utils is. [13:23] if you wanted to support linux, ubuntu isn't actually the best choice :P [13:24] Sysi: what would you suggest [13:24] fedora is quite close upstream, so is gentoo and I guess arch is too [13:24] though ubuntu should work fairly well for contributing [13:25] fedora doesn't install on computers with 512 ram [13:25] fedora is offtopic here, but it does if you have swap [13:26] Sysi: umm no, the installer requires 512 MB of physical ram [13:26] no swap [13:26] MJBrune, you are being offered choice, please do not start to argue [13:27] MJBrune, if you need help with fedora, ask their support channel. this channel is not for it. [13:27] knome: im not arguing just presenting the issues to the suggestions [13:27] knome: You guys are the ones suggesting alternatives [13:27] not me [13:28] MJBrune, you were asking for suggestions, and Sysi was being helpful/nice to you [13:28] please stop arguing about everything [13:28] knome: im really not, I just wanted a list of ubuntu specific utils and you guys cant even provide that [13:29] try #ubuntu [13:29] MJBrune, we are all volunteers, and do not know the answer to everything. you can try to ask #ubuntu if you want. [13:29] * MJBrune rolls eyes [13:29] knome: yes but you act like this is your job [13:29] it would be a lot worse if he didn't [13:29] anyways I can carry on without support [13:30] Sysi: or it would be better. try it [14:09] Well, that was entertaining to come back to... [14:23] Hi, I have 4 workspaces in 2 rows, in older versions of xubuntu changing workspaces by dragging windows to the edge or pressing ctrl+alt+arrowKey only worked if there was a workspace located there, does anybody have any idea how I can set xfce to that behavior again in 11.04? [14:27] you mean configure the shotkeys ablomen? [14:28] SaaMmY, no i mean that what i want is, for example, if i am at the top-left workspace, i can only drag windows to the workspace right of it or under it [14:29] not, what i does now, that if i drag it to the left it goes to the top-right workspace [14:29] in 10.10 or 11.04? [14:29] 11.04 [14:29] 10.10 had it by default [14:29] and my brain is set up for that behavior ;) [14:30] you want this that have 10.10 in your 11.04 of now [14:31] ablomen: I don't think it is possible any longer due to changes in Xfce 4.8 [14:31] oh nvm my question, i finally found it, "Wrap workspaces depending on the actual desktop layout" in "window manager tweaks" => "workspaces" whas what i was searching for [14:31] and it works? [14:32] Thank you [14:32] yes :) [14:32] thanks for what [14:32] * charlie-tca goes to bang head on wall, again [14:32] no problem maannnnnn [14:32] LOOOOOOOL [14:32] haha [14:33] SaaMmY: I am thankful for an answer next time someone asks that question. [14:33] lol [14:33] someone does speak a clear english [14:33] I need to ask what? [14:33] what? [14:33] what? [14:33] ect [14:33] does not* [14:35] btw, i must say, i installed xubuntu with the graphical cd for the first time since ubuntu 6.04 (or somewhere near there) because i needed to resize an ntfs partition for the first time, and i must say, it really came a long way from then, great job you guys are doing, it was easy as could be [14:36] Most of that work is done by the installer developers. [14:36] (and it did not destroy my windows install, which is a plus too) [14:36] They do work hard improving it as much as possible [14:36] well it shows [14:40] oh one more thing, i also cant center my bottom panel (without the expaning spacer "hack") i guess this is a limitation due to 4.8? [14:41] *expanding [14:41] i can just unlock it, sure, but if it is possible to keep it "locked" that would be nice [14:42] oh, it snaps to the center, nvm, another question i asked to quickly [14:43] my brain is in holydais I can't understand english [14:43] bb [14:43] yes, the only way to center things is to expand a spacer on each side now [14:44] charlie-tca, well it seems that, once you unlocked it and centered it by hand, it does keep itself centered when you add new stuff or change the size, then you can lock it again [14:45] I just use the spaces, it self-centers when you add things [14:54] yeah but i have some debugging tools in firefox and chrome there, so it expands when i try to click those, ah well, this seems to work, and overall it 4.8 feels a lot slicker then the old version [15:18] Trying to connect to a Windows 7 share, but it doesn't accept my login info through Gigilo. Is the domain supposed to remain as 'WORKGROUP"? [15:19] WORKGROUP is the name windows gives it [15:21] gotcha... sidenote. It finds the shares, via the IP address, but when I choose $C and click Connect, it brings u the Password Required screen [15:21] this is where I get stuck [15:23] I am putting in my Windows username, my password, and leaving domain as "WORKGROUP" [15:24] When I click "Connect" it jut pops the window back up asking for the info again [15:29] The share list does not mention specific share names, but only shows the drives. This might suggest a problem as wel [15:29] *well [16:27] hello guys [16:27] something really wierd has happened to my Xubuntu [16:27] is here somebody or should I join other ubuntu channel? [16:28] pop a question and somebody hopefully has ansver [16:29] yesterday I did shutdown my PC [16:29] and today when i booted it [16:29] there is only 1 workspace (was 4) [16:29] I can't get 4 again... [16:29] AND [16:30] there is no minimaze, maximaze or close button [16:30] or that button where you could change to other workspace (desktop) [16:30] don't know how it is called [16:30] have you experimented with compiz? [16:30] ahhh [16:30] NO! [16:31] alt+F2 "xfwm4" [16:31] AND it doesnt show that i had opened for example IRC program in Xubuntu [16:31] in any place [16:31] xfwm4 [16:32] Firefox can't find the server at www.xfm4.com. [16:32] x f w m 4 [16:33] I need to check something brb in 5-10min .. [16:35] still can't connect to my Windows 7 Share. It only lists the $C drive type shares in Gigolo. So Gigolo can see the PC and its drives, but not any specifically shared folders... ideas? [16:36] find out IP of window machine and directly use thunar [16:39] I know the IP, but I'm not familiar with thunar... time for google I guess. :) [16:39] it's the file manager [16:39] you need to have 11.04 to have thunar 1.2 that supports network mounting [16:40] I have 10.04 [16:40] I have been thinking about upgrading to 11.04, but I have an older machine [16:41] okay, I don't know about gigolo [16:41] yeah all is the same [16:41] [16:41] whoops [16:42] My system monitor says I have 433MB of memory and a mobile AMD Athlon XP2400+ [16:42] something is really messed up [16:42] for example if i open another window [16:42] it is on top of previous window [16:42] I am currently on 10.04 Lucid [16:42] meaning I CAN'T Make other to top [16:42] gigenieks: do you still have the same problem? [16:42] understand what i mean? [16:42] YES [16:43] it is so big [16:43] that i cant really do anything [16:43] press Alt and F2 and type "xfwm4 --replace" [16:43] if you need to close xchat to do that, Ctrl Q should work [16:44] Sysi Thank you! It fixed everything [16:44] what in hell was that? [16:45] that command restarted XFCE dektop? [16:47] is it easy to upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04? And do you think my system is too old for 11.04? [16:47] Your PC's specification (cpu, ram, vga) ? [16:47] My system monitor says I have 433MB of memory and a mobile AMD Athlon XP2400+ [16:48] gigenieks: window manager, takes care of window borders, workspaces and everything [16:48] Vid card is an ATI Radeon 320M (aka U1) (aka old as dirt) [16:48] WallyJ2K: you can't directly upgrade from 10.04 to 11.04, only reinstall [16:49] oh [16:49] ok... that answers the first question, plus a clean install wouldn't be a bad idea [16:49] what about the age of my PC [16:49] thoughts? [16:50] "window manager" = "xfce desktop environment" ? [16:50] your machine should run 11,04 about as well as 10.04, but you could just try something alternative for network mount [16:50] for Xubuntu [16:50] gigenieks: no, xfce is also panel, desktop, filemanager and some apps [16:50] windowmanager just does all kinds of stuff [16:51] it is the same for any of *buntus? [16:51] for every linux GUI :P [16:52] if something like that happened to Kubuntu (my father's pc) what would be command? he have Kubuntu [16:52] or you don't know? [16:52] kwin and maybe --replace [16:53] I used kwin with xfce for some time to get some features [16:54] ok folks... gonna reformat and go for 11.04. Thanks for all of your help! [17:32] I said the other day that linux is becoming a full time job. [17:32] How many people here use linux but arent actually working in "computer" related fields? [17:33] * charlie-tca [17:34] OTOH, I am retired [17:36] ChristopherNG: "computer" related? [17:36] ChristopherNG: is there any field that is not "computer" related? [17:36] TheSheep, like amishes, i think [17:37] I think that 100% amish people use linux whenever they use a computer ;) [17:46] * madnick is also retired, but also have friends working in non-tech fields using Linux [17:56] what i meant to say how many have jobs that dont require them to sit infront of a computer all day and still use linux? [17:58] Me, ChristopherNG! [17:59] I did, as a plumber and builder [17:59] I know quite a few non-technical end users. [18:00] likemindead: but how many of them visit irc? ;) [18:00] Few. [18:01] They hit up our forum ( www.amarillolinux.com ) quite a bit, though. [18:01] irc kinda goes well with sitting in front of the computer all day [18:01] yes, I for example, started using IRC only when I switched to Linux week or so ago ;D [18:01] my mom uses linux [18:01] how old? [18:01] 54 [18:01] 11.4 [18:01] ;) [18:01] lol [18:02] I got tired of cleaning up viruses [18:02] it's very good for non-technical end users [18:02] :D [18:02] my parents use linux too, come to think of it [18:02] I like linux and i will continue to use it, but it really is very time consuming. [18:02] I like Linux "philosophy" [18:03] exactly [18:03] because I refused to reinstall windows at some point [18:03] My wife & I have used Linux exclusively for over four years now. :D [18:03] ChristopherNG, how so? [18:03] xrdodrx: getting things to work, finding drivers etc [18:03] ChristopherNG: it only consumes as much time as you let it [18:03] if anything troubleshooting windows problems takes me longer [18:03] :s [18:03] xrdodrx: thats easy to say [18:03] ChristopherNG: plus, you save a lot of time because there are so few games ;) [18:03] my sister is a cafe waitress and uses Ubuntu. On my insistance that I will not help her with her Windows 2000 anymore. [18:03] In windows forums people will just say "reformat" etc I think of them "users who collect post count" [18:03] TheSheep: I know! I havent played eve online for months. [18:04] however in Ubuntu forums or linux forums people actually want to help [18:04] also I bribed her with a "new" computer. [18:04] ChristopherNG, are you saying I'm lying? [18:04] :< [18:04] ChristopherNG: there are console emulators though... [18:04] xrdodrx: im not saying your lying its just making a statement like "its only as hard as you make it" is over simplistic. [18:04] * TheSheep <-- nintendo addict [18:04] ChristopherNG, I didn't say that [18:05] I did [18:05] but I don't think it's overly difficult either [18:05] xrdodrx: ok you said it only takes as much time as you let it. [18:05] ChristopherNG: it takes effort to switch, but it takes less effort in the long run [18:05] TheSheep: You think the switch is the biggest step, not being consistent and carrying on using it? [18:05] ChristopherNG: also, you put more time into it becuase it is more interesting ;) [18:05] I think both are hard [18:06] ChristopherNG: not with ubuntu [18:06] it depends how deep you want to go... [18:06] ChristopherNG, It really depends on how you use your computer... [18:06] ChristopherNG: ubuntu/xubuntu/etc. is pretty much "install and forget" [18:06] if you had used Linux for 10 years [18:06] and switched to Windows [18:06] TheSheep: I openly admit the feeling of getting it working is very rewarding and perhaps a tab addictive, but its very, very demoralizing and daunting when it doesnt work. [18:06] you would think windows is hard!! [18:06] :P [18:07] what is it exactly [18:07] what is what? [18:07] unfortunately, the more you pay for something, the less difficult it becomes in your mind [18:07] ^ :) [18:07] lol [18:07] ChristopherNG: I don't know, I find that there are fewer and fewer things that don't work out of the box -- I used to spend hours to get my scanner or graphic tablet to work, now it just works with new installs. [18:07] ChristopherNG: and on windows I still need to spend some time to install the drivers etc. [18:08] (well, I would if I used windows) [18:08] (I guess) [18:08] I firmly believe paying $200 US Dollars for Xubuntu would make it easier/less difficult [18:08] TheSheep: I really do feel that drivers are the archiles hell of linux and unix in general. [18:08] charlie-tca: true [18:08] heel* [18:08] to be honest the blame for nonworking peripherals falls equally with end users of linux as to companies [18:08]