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tkamppeterjasoncwarner_, hi07:10
tkamppeterpitti, hi07:10
tkamppeterseb128, hi07:11
seb128hey there07:11
seb128hey tkamppeter07:11
RAOFseb128: Hey there!  How's the summit going?07:22
seb128hey RAOF, summit was nice, the conference part is over though, it's bofs and hacking now07:23
RAOFAh, cool.07:23
RAOFseb128: Would you like me to disable the cairo-gl backend in cairo?  When were you planning to do it?07:24
micahgseb128: did you get my email about gir-1.2-json-glib?07:24
tkamppeterRAOF, did mterry ask you to add a symbols file to the shared lib of colord, for the MIR?07:24
seb128RAOF, I did that yesterday?07:24
RAOFseb128: Ah, excellent.07:25
seb128micahg, yes but I was travelling and then forgot about it07:25
micahgseb128: k, well, if you get a chance, I'm happy to do the legwork either way07:25
RAOFtkamppeter: It's already *got* a symbols file.  Let me check the bug.07:25
seb128micahg, I guess I failed to see the issue07:27
RAOFtkamppeter: There's no request on the MIR that I can see - just asking kees to do a security review.07:28
seb128micahg, the packages from the list you have just need a trivial update07:28
micahgseb128: yeah, they can either be updated or the old binary can be removed (since the new one provides the old one)07:28
seb128micahg, we can drop the real binary to let the provide work while they are being rebuilt though07:28
seb128micahg, both I would say07:29
seb128the binary should be dropped but the rdepends should be fixed for oneiric07:29
micahgok, couchdb-glib is FTBFS at the moment due to the binary07:29
micahgseb128: so, if it's ok, later today, I'll file a bug for the packages that need to be fixed and one to drop the binary?07:30
rickspencer3hi seb128, micahg, RAOF, etc...07:31
seb128hey rickspencer307:32
didrocksbonjour rickspencer307:32
micahghi rickspencer307:32
rickspencer3FF tomorrow! stuff getting landed?07:32
seb128trying to :-)07:32
didrocksdx stuff will land tomorrow :)07:32
RAOFThere may be a new -nouveau and -ati snapshot landing tomorrow.  The rest of the stack has been released pleasantly early :)07:35
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone07:37
* TheMuso waves to the Europe folks has he works late to get a few things done before FF. :)07:38
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?07:38
seb128hey TheMuso07:38
chrisccoulsonseb128, yeah, not too bad thanks07:38
chrisccoulsonjust watching the news though, very depressing!07:39
chrisccoulsonhow are you?07:39
TheMusochrisccoulson: I hope you're away from the mayhem.07:39
seb128chrisccoulson, what's happening in the world?07:40
seb128chrisccoulson, I've not be following the news this week07:40
chrisccoulsonTheMuso, yeah, we're a few miles away from the trouble in birmingham07:40
chrisccoulsonseb128, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-1447140507:40
TheMusoThats good to knokw.07:41
tkamppeterRAOF, OK, then it seems to be all OK.07:43
seb128chrisccoulson, :-(07:46
jibeldidrocks, morning07:57
didrockshey jibel07:58
jibeldidrocks, unity-greeter.postinst calls lightdm-set-defaults to set the default greeter to unity but I cannot find this script on my system, where can I find it or how do I set the default greeter to unity ?07:58
didrocksjibel: indeed, it's in lightdm trunk07:59
didrocksjibel: will be uploaded today07:59
didrocksjibel: normally, I test if it exists before, so shouldn't impact the users, isn't it?07:59
seb128jibel, what unity-greeter do you use?07:59
jibeldidrocks, there is no impact, I'll wait for next upload.07:59
seb128oh ok08:00
seb128change from didrocks this night08:00
jibelseb128, the one in the archive, is there another one ?08:00
didrocksjibel: you afraid me, ok uploading things at 3am isn't good, but still, I tested it :)08:00
seb128jibel, no, I'm just behind, sorry ;-)08:00
jibelseb128, np, I wanted to confirm bug 816152.08:01
ubot2Launchpad bug 816152 in unity-greeter "Guest account is created/destroyed each time it is selected/deselected on the list" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81615208:01
jibelseb128, does latest cairo works around the leak with nvidia graphics driver ?08:03
pittiGood morning08:06
seb128jibel, yes08:10
pittiseb128, didrocks: does your unity session work after today's package updates? it's completely broken here, using unity 2d now08:10
* didrocks tries some reboot, brb08:10
seb128pitti, guten tag08:10
didrockspitti: you're the second telling that, hence the reboot :)08:10
seb128pitti, I didn't upgrade,restart this morning yet08:10
jibelseb128, thanks.08:10
seb128pitti, is the intel issue from yesterday fixed? I wanted to keep a working box08:11
pittiseb128: yes, that's fixed08:11
seb128ok great08:11
pittijust when you start the unity session, you just get a broken panel and nothing else08:11
pittiunity 2d works well enough to survive today08:11
* jibel reboots with nvidia08:11
seb128pitti, the panel is an unity one? is the dash working?08:12
seb128are you sure it's not an intel or driver issue?08:12
pittiseb128: I don't know -- it's just a grey panel with a nautilus menu08:13
seb128so unity is not starting08:13
seb128it's appmenu08:13
pittiand you can't click or keypress08:13
seb128pitti, ok, didrocks knows what's wrong08:17
seb128it's due to his session renaming yesterday08:17
seb128he's on it08:17
pittiah, cool08:17
* pitti hugs did08:17
* pitti hugs didrocks in absence08:18
seb128pitti, can you try to change /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session08:18
seb128if [ "x$DESKTOP_SESSION" = "xgnome" ]; then08:18
seb128change xgnome to xubuntu08:18
pittidone, but how do I switch users now?08:19
pittiI can't restart my session right now08:19
seb128pitti, d-feet? ;-)08:20
seb128pitti, system bug org.freedesktop.DisplayManager08:20
seb128on the .Seat interface08:20
pittiah, thanks08:21
seb128ricotz, hey08:22
pittithat did the trick, thanks!08:22
seb128ricotz, seems like slangasek fixed your totem issue08:22
seb128pitti, excellent, thanks for confirming08:22
pittiI now have a letter icon with a plus in my panel which collects all notify-osd notifications, and I manually have to clean them every time08:27
pittiis that a new (mis)feature or something I accidentally installed?08:28
seb128pitti, seems like the second one08:34
seb128pitti, did you install any indicator?08:34
pittiyesterday, the qt one08:34
seb128is that thing an indicator?08:35
seb128like can you go left right to it from the other indicators?08:35
pittihm, apparently I can't08:38
pittibut that might also empathy, which now appeas in the panel again08:39
* pitti closes that08:39
pittiright, still not an indicator08:39
pittiand it looks very ugly and old08:39
pittimartin    4505  0.0  0.3 214792 14980 ?        Sl   09:14   0:02 /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon08:39
pittiseb128: I suppose we need to update the notify-osd dbus activation file for the renamed session08:39
* pitti looks into this08:39
pitti$GDMSESSION is "ubuntu-2d" now08:41
seb128pitti, indeed08:47
seb128pitti, just to gnome->ubuntu in there08:47
seb128ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /tmp/tmpbfM21V/usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.11)08:48
seb128no retracers08:48
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jibelphew, back. no unity, no external monitor, lost my shortcuts, no fun :(08:51
seb128hum, no mvo08:51
zygagood morning08:51
pittiseb128: so "our" sessions are now "ubuntu" and "ubuntu-2d", right?08:58
pittiseb128: no "unity" any more; and the GNOME upstream one will be called "gnome"?08:59
pittii. e. there notify-osd should _not_ start?08:59
ricotzseb128, hi, i will check totem later, thanks08:59
seb128pitti, correct08:59
seb128pitti, the upstream one are gnome and gnome-shell09:00
didrockspitti: sorry, with nux building, my laptop is slow as hell09:02
didrockspitti: so, the migration plan is:09:03
didrocks- you can't execute anymore (for this release and LTS) the "gnome.desktop" session09:03
didrocksyou are transitionned to ubuntu.dekstop09:03
didrocks- gnome-shell.desktop launch the gnome-shell session09:03
didrocks- gnome-fallback is the gnome-panel session with metacity09:04
didrocks- gnome-classic is the gnome-panel + compiz (and eventually degrade to metacity)09:04
didrocks(for post LTS gnome-shell will be renamed gnome.desktop)09:06
chrisccoulsondidrocks, if you have the latest thunderbird now, you can change the message indicator to inbox-only mode09:07
didrockschrisccoulson: awesome! this is in the preferences?09:08
chrisccoulsonEdit -> Preferences, and there is a checkbox in the "General" tab09:08
chrisccoulson"Only for messages in my Inbox folder"09:08
cdbsCan anyone check if the battery indicator comes up in gnome-shell? Seems to be failing with latest stack09:09
pittiseb128, didrocks: notify-osd fix uploaded, FYI09:10
seb128pitti, danke09:11
didrockspitti: thanks :)09:14
didrockschrisccoulson: ok, will try this, thanks!09:15
pittihm, weird; for a fresh test user the ubuntu session works now, but not for mine09:19
pittianyway, later09:19
chrisccoulsondoes gtk-window-decorator keep crashing for anybody else?09:20
chrisccoulsonmicahg, do you call in to these meetings? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_6/Final_Signoffs09:21
seb128pitti, could be a .dmrc thing?09:21
micahgchrisccoulson: no, but I usually read the notes09:21
seb128chrisccoulson, no09:21
chrisccoulsonmicahg, ok, thanks09:21
pittiseb128: already wiped them09:21
micahgchrisccoulson: maybe I should?09:22
chrisccoulsonseb128, it crashes a couple of times per hour here ;)09:22
chrisccoulsonmicahg, reading the notes is probably fine. i just don't know how long it takes them to write it up ;)09:22
cdbschrisccoulson: You're using gtk-window-decorator? Shouldn't it be unity-window-decorator? Try that09:22
chrisccoulsoncdbs, it got reverted before a309:22
chrisccoulsonand unity-window-decorator crashed just as much anyway09:23
cdbsah, makes sense09:23
chrisccoulsoncdbs, bug 81409109:23
ubot2Launchpad bug 814091 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_draw_window_decoration()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81409109:23
chrisccoulsonit's pretty much the same trace for gtk-window-decorator too09:23
chrisccoulsonwell, it crashes in the same function ;)09:23
didrockspitti: indeed, it works for a fresh test users with the other changes, that's where I've been trapped :)09:23
chrisccoulsoncdbs, bug 766835 is the gtk-window-decorator crash09:25
chrisccoulsonha, this is cool - http://pr09studio.deviantart.com/art/Narwhal-meet-Ocelot-21064970410:26
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seb128chrisccoulson, how is the new gnome-keyring going btw?10:32
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, stefw was looking at my problem that last time we spoke, but i've not pinged him again recently10:32
chrisccoulsonhas he been in berlin this week?10:32
chrisccoulsoni'm using the new gnome-keyring btw. it's just that i get certificate errors every time i open empathy atm ;)10:33
seb128chrisccoulson, he's still there I think10:34
seb128I talked to him yesterday10:34
chrisccoulsonseb128, has he fixed it yet? ;)10:34
seb128chrisccoulson, no ;-)10:34
chrisccoulsonseb128, do you think i should just upload? password storage seems to work fine10:35
chrisccoulsonok, i'll do that shortly then10:35
chrisccoulsoni'll make sure we have a bug targetted to track the regression though10:35
seb128better to not block on fixing a bug10:35
seb128or it will never land ;-)10:35
seb128we will get the motivation to get it fixed once it's in :p10:36
chrisccoulsoni should probably update p11-kit as well10:36
didrocksjibel: about bug #820266, do you have it in g-c-c?10:37
ubot2Launchpad bug 820266 in gnome-control-center "CTRL+ALT+T doesn't open a terminal anymore" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82026610:37
didrocksjibel: are you on the unity-2d session?10:38
jibeldidrocks, yes, in keyboard shortcuts/launchers/Terminal the shortcut is set to disabled.10:38
jibeldidrocks, yes 2d, unity doesn't start today.10:38
didrocksjibel: ok, I have to recheck the integration with compiz then, I tried to achieve that a couple of weeks ago and g-c-c seems to not have the needded integration for compiz10:39
didrocksjibel: I'll definitively have a newer check10:39
jibeldidrocks, ok thanks10:40
didrocksjibel: thanks to you, it was on my TODO tracking list before finale, nice to have a bug :)10:40
rodrigo_hmm, can't get to this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/804221), but others are fine11:00
ubot2Ubuntu bug 804221 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:515: _XReply: Assertion `!dpy->xcb->reply_data' failed." [High,Confirmed]11:00
rodrigo_ah no, timeout on others now also :(11:00
rodrigo_is it me, because I've been having disconnections since yesterday, or does it happen for other people?11:01
cdbsseb128: ping, is there some restriction on packages being MIRed after FF?11:03
cdbsif so, then I'll rush the liboauth update today11:04
seb128cdbs, not really but there are some restriction on landing new versions or new features after the ff11:04
cdbsseb128: This one won't be affected by FF anyway11:04
seb128cdbs, isn't it needed for a new libgdata serie?11:05
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cdbsseb128: oh yeah11:05
cdbsseb128: Would you do me a favour then, by sponsoring my Debian liboauth upload?11:06
seb128I'm at desktop summit still with only my laptop and no Debian install11:07
cdbsno problem, I'll post on mentors with an [URGENT] tag or so11:08
seb128but should not be really hard to find a Debian sponsor though11:08
seb128you might want to tell cyphermox and get an upload to Ubuntu11:08
seb128we can sync later from Debian once it's uploaded there11:08
cdbsthat would be better, 'coz I already have upload rights for Ubuntu11:08
cdbsuniverse, to be specific11:09
seb128rodrigo_, timeout there as well11:09
rodrigo_seb128, ok, not me then, good to know :)11:09
seb128rodrigo_, you can add +text to the url11:09
seb128that works11:09
rodrigo_oh, ok11:09
seb128rodrigo_, it's likely having issue due to the duplicates11:10
chrisccoulsonoh, the fix for bug 820485 was never committed to bzr11:19
ubot2Launchpad bug 820485 in gnome-keyring "ubiquity stops installation at 'Configuring target system'" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82048511:19
chrisccoulsongood job i checked before uploading ;)11:19
pgranerhey seb128 have you seen probs after todays updates with logging in? On the default Ubuntu session I get a menubar across the top for nautilus and nothing else, the 2d session works fine11:21
cdbseven I had the same issue as pgraner, so logged into KDE instead :)11:24
* pgraner has hit it on 3 different machines11:27
chrisccoulsonok, gnome-keyring uploaded now11:49
chrisccoulsonjust waiting on the p11-kit MIR11:49
tjaaltonmy desktop machine has the same as pgraner, where my laptop doesn't let me in at all, gnome-session fails with error 111:54
tjaaltonhum, and looks like the update decided to turn sloppy focus off11:57
* pitti gets his first complete GDBus server call implemented in Python and dances around happily12:07
tjaaltonfun. if /var is full, you can't start _any_ session12:07
tjaaltonnot even the failsafe one12:07
tjaaltonwith lightdm12:08
tjaaltonat least12:08
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alex3fhi mvo12:13
mvohey alex3f12:14
alex3frunning software-center-gtk3 from trunk gives me import error, no installedpaned12:14
alex3ffrom what i see it was moved to unused_installedpaned12:14
mvoalex3f: uh, sorry, let me fix that12:14
alex3fI have cleaned my .pyc's12:15
mvoalex3f: looks like I was a bit overly agressive12:15
alex3f:D aggressive is good12:15
mvofixed in r206512:17
tjaaltonpgraner: another dist-upgrade fixed the session here12:17
m_prolblem with poilcykit - help needed12:20
alex3fmvo, thanks, if you have the time, look over minor changes in backend-refactor12:21
pgranertjaalton, thanks12:22
alex3fmvo, how about this one (after merging with trunk): http://pastebin.com/Z16fWpUk12:23
zygamvo, hi12:27
mvohey zyga12:27
zygamvo, +1 to merge that c-n-f patch?12:27
mvoalex3f: I think this bug is from the gtk3 branch churn, I check your branch next. how do you trigger the backtrace you just outlined? just starting it?12:30
* rodrigo_ lunch12:30
mvozyga: which one? the use_matcherFalse one?12:30
mvozyga: that one +1 from me :)12:30
zygaok, thanks12:30
zygamvo, will you use the new trunk for subsequent ubuntu releases?12:31
mvozyga: I'm happy to, I can do a upload today if you want me to12:32
mvogreat to have you back in c-n-f land :)12:32
zygamvo, :-)12:32
zygamvo, I just noticed that someone wants to help and I did my best to make that possible12:33
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mvono seb128 today?12:47
pittimvo: might still be at lunch12:48
mvopitti: ok, I may have a present for him12:50
pittimvo: you dropped the synaptics dep?12:51
seb128hey mvo pitti12:51
mvowell, not quite, but I'm close12:51
pittimvo: summoning powers!12:51
* pitti hugs mvo and seb12812:51
* mvo hugs pitti and seb12812:51
* seb128 hugs pitti and mvo12:52
seb128mvo, you ported update-notifier to aptdaemon?12:52
mvoseb128: almost, just doing the final testing12:53
mvoseb128: but should be ready RSN12:53
seb128pitti, so apt is working on the retracer but python-apt is broken and I've nfc how to fix it12:57
pittiseb128: it crashes with this GLIBXX314 blabla? :-(12:58
seb128simple python -c "import apt" has the same issue12:58
pittidarn; unfortunately this tells me nothing either12:58
seb128using apt-get works though12:58
pittiseb128: is this a natty or oneiric dchroot underneath?12:59
pittiseb128: perhaps we need to run it in an oneiric dchroot now12:59
seb128let me try that...12:59
seb128we need a real vm like in kvm image for those12:59
pittithat would help a ton12:59
seb128"  File "/home/ubuntu-archive/apport-retracer-amd64/apport/apport/chroot.py", line 32, in setup_fakeroot_env13:01
seb128    '%s not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly' % libfakechroot13:01
seb128AssertionError: /usr/lib/fakechroot/libfakechroot.so not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly13:01
seb128when trying to apport-chroot in an oneiric chroot13:01
cyphermoxcdbs: hey :)13:01
cdbshi cyphermox13:01
cdbscyphermox: 0.9.4-1ubuntu2 already in13:02
pittiseb128: try sudo apt-get install fakechroot?13:02
cyphermoxcdbs: cool, thanks!13:02
seb128pitti, $ sudo apt-get install fakechroot13:02
seb128sudo: unknown uid: 100013:02
pittiseb128: you can only do that as seb128, not as ubuntu-archive13:03
pittiseb128: I installed it into the amd64 oneiric dchroot now13:03
seb128nothing to do13:03
seb128let me retry the retracer13:03
seb128ok, works there13:04
pittiseb128: installed into oneiric-i386, too13:04
seb128pitti, thanks13:04
seb128I'm changed the cron job to use oneiric, I bet that will break natty retracing though13:04
seb128or maybe not, let's see13:04
pittiat worst we have to split the cronjob again13:05
seb128with some hackery for the chrtoomaps13:05
seb128but yes13:06
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seb128jibel, the liveCD has no french langpacks, it's since before natty13:12
seb128jibel, is that what you mean in bug #820705?13:12
ubot2Launchpad bug 820705 in Ubuntu Oneiric "live session indicators/unity not translated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82070513:12
davmor2kenvandine: is there a plan for separate feeds again in the new gwibber I'm being asked?13:13
mvozyga: uploaded, thanks again, the speedup number are really impressive!13:13
jibelseb128, oh you're right sorry. I'll try with german to be sure then close as won't fix.13:14
kenvandinedavmor2, define feeds?13:14
kenvandinethere are now, messages, replies, etc13:14
kenvandinedo you mean by account?13:14
zygamvo, there is another approach from another contributor, he proposed rewriting c-n-f from scratch with different database backend, I lost the bug number (this is another annoyance with launchpad) but his proof of concept code was even more impressive13:14
seb128jibel, german is not on the CD either13:14
davmor2kenvandine: streams is the word I'm after and couldn't think of13:15
seb128jibel, try spanish13:15
jibelseb128, ok13:15
kenvandinedavmor2, ok... well the new gwibber does that13:15
zygamvo, would you object if I re-wrote setup.py with setuptools and had a look at debian packaging -- it seems overly complex13:15
alex3fmvo: sorry, power outage here; yes, just by running ./s-c-gtk313:15
davmor2kenvandine: it does, does it? is this a trunk version?13:16
kenvandineit has since i first uploaded it...13:16
kenvandinethe buttons on top change streams13:16
zygamvo, I'd like to split the debian packaging if possible, we could keep a branch with packaging (and perhaps the data file, but that could also be in another branch) and merge the tree while building13:16
davmor2kenvandine: Yeah I think he means adding his own one per account etc13:17
kenvandineyou mean multi-column?13:17
kenvandineor filtering, so you can see replies for just a single account?13:18
alex3fmvo, complete output http://pastebin.com/szJMM5jV13:18
kenvandinedavmor2, i want to bring back multi-column view, but we don't have a design for it13:20
kenvandineand since feature freeze is tomorrow, that isn't going to happen13:20
davmor2kenvandine: I'm just checking with him13:21
kenvandinei have an idea for filtering by account13:21
Laneydo you have twitter list support?13:21
kenvandinebut on the fence on implementing it13:21
kenvandineLaney, well sort of... it isn't in the new UI :/13:21
mvozyga: sure, go ahead, a move to dh_python2/dh7 would be very welcome13:21
kenvandinegwibber does and it has all the data ;)13:21
mvozyga: arch-build can go away too13:21
kenvandinei have a branch where i started trying to display it... but it made me decide we need to do some refactoring...13:22
zygamvo, I'm not familiar with dh_python2 but perhaps that's the right time to learn, I do all our linaro/lava packaging with python-support as that is compatible back to 10.0413:22
kenvandinewhich isn't likely to happen right now13:22
Laneyisn't architecture fun? :P13:23
kenvandineyup :)13:23
kenvandinegwibber has so many variations of types of data to display13:23
kenvandineso the code ends up looking terrible trying to shift things around depending on the data type13:24
kenvandinei need to create different tile widgets13:24
kenvandineand change out the widget depending on the data13:24
kenvandinewhich will be a huge improvement...13:24
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seb128E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/13:27
seb128E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.13:27
seb128mvo, ^ did you see similars errors before?13:28
seb128that's happening on an apt-get update using current oneiric in oneiric chroots aka retracers13:29
mvoseb128: and does that dir exists there?13:29
mvoand its writable too13:29
seb128and and do an echo test > /var/cache/apt/test works13:29
seb128and doing13:30
mvohm, hm, do you have any special apt config there?13:30
seb128but could well be a fakechroot issue13:30
seb128wouldn't be the first time13:30
chrisccoulsonwe don't need xscreensaver-data and xscreensaver-gl on the CD unless we bring back the screensaver hacks, do we?13:31
seb128chrisccoulson, correct13:31
seb128which we will not do this cycle for sure13:31
chrisccoulsonok, we can drop those from the seed then :)13:32
chrisccoulsonalthough, it's less than 1MB13:32
seb128still a win13:33
seb128# dpkg -i strace_4.5.20-2.3ubuntu1_amd64.deb13:34
seb128dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory13:34
seb128mvo, ^ it's not only apt :(13:34
seb128it doesn't happen on the same fakechroot in a natty chroot13:36
seb128so it's something with fakechroot13:36
seb128pitti, ^ just for info13:36
chrisccoulsonseb128, what about screensaver-default-images?13:39
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure if people actually use those images as backgrounds or not13:40
tkamppeterpitti, hi13:43
pittihello tkamppeter13:43
tkamppeterpitti, where are you, can I come to you?13:44
pittitkamppeter: in the GI hackfest room at floor 413:44
tkamppeterpitti, I have a big problem, bug 82188313:44
ubot2Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll "[MIR] argyll" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82188313:44
pittitkamppeter: we do have libusb-1.0-0-dev13:46
pittitkamppeter: the old libusb-dev is deprecated13:47
tkamppeterpitti, can you tell me your room number?13:49
pittitkamppeter: 40313:50
mvoseb128: update-notifier uploaded13:57
seb128mvo, \o/13:57
chrisccoulsonso, does that finally drop synaptic off the CD?14:08
mvoI think so, even though I will shed a little tear or two14:08
chrisccoulsonpitti - want to merge this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/ubuntu-seeds/no-xscreensaver/revision/1892 ;)14:12
pittichrisccoulson: ooh, CD space!14:13
pittichrisccoulson: some 800 kB, yummy; merged, thanks!14:15
chrisccoulsonpitti - excellent, thanks :)14:15
geserpitti: are the apport retracers for oneiric running?14:23
pittigeser: I think seb128 just fought with them for a while14:23
pittibut seems they are currently broken on a weird combination of apt and fakechroot bug14:24
geserok :(14:24
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chrisccoulsonhmmm, i really need to update nspr/nss14:40
chrisccoulsonjust in case we need to flick the switch to use those in firefox/thunderbird ;)14:40
chrisccoulsoni currently can't build them against the versions we have14:41
pgranertjaalton, well the updates fixed that but now I can't log in at all lightdm just loops15:16
pgranertjaalton, even the 2d session does it one every box I have :(15:17
tjaaltonpgraner: yeah my laptop does the same, don't dare logout from my desktop session :/15:20
seb128does what?15:20
tjaaltoncan't log in15:20
seb128session is empty, send you back to lightdm,gdm? hang?15:21
tjaaltonit passes auth, and returns back to the login screen15:21
tjaaltonsame with both lightdm and gdm15:21
seb128remove .ICEauthority in your user dir15:21
tjaaltonduh wait, forgot that in my case it was actually /var being full :P15:21
seb128if that's the same issue I was having this morning15:21
pgranerseb128, yea removing .ICEauthority fixed it15:29
seb128pgraner, great15:29
seb128pgraner, seems similar to bug #823775 then15:29
ubot2Launchpad bug 823775 in lightdm "Cannot login: could not update ICEauthority file .ICEauthority" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82377515:29
pgranerseb128, yep, happened sometime yesterday after a bunch of updates15:30
seb128mterry, ^ do you think you could have a look to that? not sure if that's lightdm but it seems likely15:31
seb128I got the issue twice this yesterday15:31
seb128stalling .ICEauthority files breaking login15:31
pgranerseb128, its bit me on 3 machines here today15:31
mterryseb128, yeah, I had that on my list to look into.  Sounds bad though, I can look now15:31
mterryseb128, I haven't hit it.  Did you do anything different?15:32
seb128no, just shutdown from the session indicator15:32
seb128and turn my laptop on this morning15:32
pgranermterry, ack on that same here for me15:32
seb128got a similar issue after a switch to vt and ctrl-alt-del yesterday15:32
seb128mterry, oh, I'm using the unity greeter since yesterday if that makes any difference15:34
mterrypgraner, you mean, you haven't seen it or you have and haven't done anything to deserver it?15:34
seb128but I don't think it's likely to be the greeter15:34
pgranermterry, I have hit the same thing on 3 boxes here since yesterdays updates15:35
tjaaltonduh, now I got the "nautilus menu bar on top" on my laptop with current updates15:35
seb128mterry, I would randomly guess it's r1015 if I were to guess15:35
seb128tjaalton, when did that start? oh you mean you get no unity? did you get the compiz updates from today?15:36
pgranertjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today15:36
mterryseb128, that does seem related  :)15:36
mterryWould like to be able to reproduce.  I'll try a few more time15:36
seb128tjaalton, if no you need to ack your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session and change xgnome to xubuntu15:36
seb128mterry, <pgraner> tjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today15:36
seb128mterry, ^ I think that was for you15:36
seb128he replied to you before, ignore that ;-)15:37
tjaaltonseb128: right, unity --replace does work, and it does have the current updates, compiz
seb128tjaalton, echo $GDMSESSION15:37
seb128echo $DESKTOP_SESSION15:38
tjaaltongot it15:39
tjaaltonsame in .dmrc15:39
seb128the new gnome-session uploaded yesterday should migrate gnome to unity15:39
tjaaltonbut it can't change ~/.dmrc?15:40
seb128why not?15:40
tjaaltonor does it matter?15:40
tjaaltonah right, it's written to after login15:40
seb128tjaalton, do you use lightdm?15:41
tjaaltonseb128: yes15:41
seb128tjaalton, ok, weird15:42
mterryseb128, ok, I can't log in now, so that's good.  Where do you see the error though?  I don't see anything about ICE in my /var/log15:43
seb128didrocks added a patch to lightdm that should rewrite the dmrc and replace gnome by ubuntu15:43
seb128mterry, I don't see the error in the bug15:43
seb128mterry, I just get a can't open display in .xsession-errors15:43
pgranerseb128, I have the nautilus bar issue on screen right now on two boxes do you need anything from them for debugging?15:43
seb128mterry, which leaded me to check .ICEauthority and .Xauthority15:43
tjaaltonseb128: when I choose my user from the greeter, the session pull-down menu is 'blank', so no session is preselected15:43
seb128tjaalton, can you open a bug with your .dmrc?15:44
pgranerI see the same blank field as well15:44
seb128pgraner, ^ please add your .dmrc to the bug15:44
pgranerseb128, ack15:44
seb128does selecting "ubuntu" fixes it? get the .dmrc first though15:44
tjaaltoncopied, trying15:44
pgranerseb128, not for me, I tried that yesterday15:45
tjaaltonyes, helped here15:45
seb128pgraner, right, there was a bug that didrocks fixed before lunch today15:45
seb128so there is a bug remaining which is the empty session selected15:45
seb128could be another lightdm issue for mterry ;-)15:45
bigonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811805 <<  /me comes back with this bug15:45
ubot2Ubuntu bug 811805 in metacity "GDM spawn a metacity process that is not terminated when a user login" [Undecided,New]15:46
seb128mterry, welcome on the lightdm board :p15:46
seb128bigon, no, we are speaking lightdm, it doesn't run a wm15:46
seb128lightdm doesn't spaw a GNOME session15:46
mterryseb128, yeah, maybe my session not working was just me having the empty session...  When I select Ubuntu it logs in15:46
tjaaltonyeah it's looking the same after logout, and if I log in when it's empty, .dmrc shows gnome again15:46
* bigon goes back in idle then15:46
pgranerseb128, my .dmrc shows ubuntu15:47
tjaaltonhum, now it loads unity despite .dmrc showing gnome..15:48
seb128tjaalton, that's normal15:50
seb128gnome is unity15:50
seb128gnome-shell is "gnome-shell"15:50
seb128that's the transition didrocks started there15:50
seb128renaming our default session which historically was to ubuntu15:51
seb128tjaalton, did you say you use the unity greeter or the gtk one?15:53
seb128pgraner, ^15:53
pgranerseb128, how do I tell, its a default install with updates15:53
seb128gtk then15:53
seb128tjaalton, pgraner, mterry: ok, we figured the issue15:55
seb128the "no session is selected" one15:56
seb128it happens with didrocks migration for those who didn't have a .dmrc15:56
seb128pitti, ^15:56
seb128it's likely your issue as well, need to pick "ubuntu" in the greeter session15:56
pittiseb128: I had that bug, too, but it still doesn't work when I explicitly select ubuntu15:56
pgranerseb128, same here15:56
seb128pitti, you are update with the compiz 0ubuntu3 from lunch?15:56
pittiseb128: is that more than just changing the Xsession.d file?15:57
seb128or hacked your etc session file?15:57
pittiif so, then no15:57
seb128pitti, what session is in your user .dmrc?15:57
pittiwe can look at it in the evening in the hotel15:57
pitti(which is what I selected to get something working)15:57
seb128ok, normal that's what you are using15:57
seb128yeah, let's check tonight15:57
seb128tjaalton, did you open the bug?16:00
tkamppetermterry, I have replaced the MIR for Argyll by a MIR for libicc-only now, bug 82403216:06
ubot2Launchpad bug 824032 in libicc "[MIR] libicc" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82403216:06
seb128mterry, we are going to do a lightdm upload, is there any commit we should cherrypick?16:12
seb128the gdmflexiserver?16:12
seb128why is bzr commit not letting me edit the changelog entry it uses at commit since today?16:15
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tjaaltonseb128: no I didn't do that yet, should I? My laptop installation is very old though, so I'm pretty sure it had a .dmrc since the beginning16:17
seb128tjaalton, no, that's fine, that was for changelog bug closing reference16:18
seb128if there was a bug to close16:18
seb128don't bother opening one ;-)16:18
tjaaltonheh, ok16:18
tkamppeterjasoncwarner_, hi16:24
mterryseb128, sorry, was at lunch.  Yeah, gdmflexiserver is a good one16:31
seb128mterry, doing that16:31
* pitti waves good night16:49
didrocksmvo: hey, small quick question if you are around, do you mind if you/I set now a recommends on oneconf? (to get that done before FF)17:15
mvodidrocks: done17:17
* mvo waves good night before didrocks gets more ideas ;)17:18
didrocksmvo come back! :-)17:18
mterryseb128, the /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm fix should have happened already.  That was due to some buildsystem package setting libexecdir to a duplicated directory.  I believe I saw a fix go by for that in oneiric.  If you rebuild the package, do you see the dup directory?17:28
seb128mterry, yes17:29
seb128mterry, ./usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm/gdmflexiserver17:29
mterryseb128, hrm.  Well, I'm loathe to say it's a bug in lightdm, since that's the PKGLIBEXEC that configure gives17:29
seb128on the current packaging vcs which has your commit17:30
charlie-tcaseb128: Do I need to pull a new lightdm from somewhere? 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 still gives me two xubuntu sessions.17:30
seb128charlie-tca, no, I though robert_ancell said it was supposed to fixed17:31
seb128or maybe it was with the unity greeter17:31
seb128will check with him when he's back17:32
charlie-tcaThanks, will update the bug17:32
seb128Makefile:pkglibexecdir = $(libexecdir)/lightdm17:32
seb128Makefile:libexecdir = ${prefix}/lib/lightdm17:32
seb128that seems buggy indeed17:33
mterryseb128, that's because Ubuntu differs from most systems for libexecdir.  Most don't add the package name.  The package change I thought I saw go by dropped that delta17:33
mterryBut I guess I was misreading17:33
seb128mterry, right, usually our libexecdir is /usr/lib/<component>17:35
seb128mterry, but I'm not sure what pkglibexecdir is17:35
seb128usually things just install to libexecdir17:35
tkamppeterjasoncwarner_, hi17:35
mterryseb128, my understanding (and I've not been on a non-Ubuntu system for a while) is that on non-Ubuntu systems, libexecdir is /usr/lib and pkglibexecdir is /usr/lib/<component>17:35
jasoncwarner_seb128: be down in a minute17:36
seb128jasoncwarner_, ok17:36
mterryseb128, so pkglibexecdir would be the correct place to install utility binaries normally, which is why I chose it17:36
seb128mterry, hum17:36
mterryseb128, but again, I'd have to grab a Fedora system or something to confirm my memory17:37
seb128mterry, asking to vuntz17:37
seb128he's sitting next to me17:38
seb128mterry, ok, you are right17:38
mterryseb128, I'm not sure why we do that, except maybe to avoid collisions17:39
seb128mterry, yeah, it's coming from Debian17:39
seb128mterry, seems the path hack is still not working17:47
seb128mterry, but don't worry about it, not a priority17:47
mterryseb128, darn it?  you mean it's still not in PATH?17:48
seb128mterry, $ strings /proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | grep ^PATH=17:49
seb128mterry, seems on a command line17:49
mterryseb128, I tested it, and got it here...  Hm17:49
seb128ok, need to go for dinner, will check out later, don't worry about it17:49
mterryI'll add it back on my TODO list17:49
kirklandhow do i get my clock back in the top panel?17:55
mterrykirkland, in Unity?17:57
kirklandmterry: yeah17:57
kirklandmterry: it disappeared yesterday with updates17:57
mterrykirkland, shouldn't have done that.  there is a preference for it, but not sure why it would change on you.  Make sure you have clock set to visible in Time & Date preferences in control center17:58
kirklandmterry: hmm, can't launch the system settings application either17:59
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seb128good evening desktopers20:02
ubot2Ubuntu bug 824158 in nautilus "Progress bar gets unvisible in gnome3" [Undecided,New]20:10
dupondjecould somebody check this :)20:11
seb128evolution just closed while I was writing an email20:12
chrisccoulsonseb128, oh, i thought it was a real crisis, like you ran out of beer ;)20:12
seb128hum, beer20:13
seb128yeah, I could use another of those :-)20:13
cyphermoxseb128: evo crashed?20:44
seb128cyphermox, it closed20:44
seb128but yeah, apport catched a segfault for it it seems20:44
seb128I'm wondering if I still have a gdb running somewhere20:45
seb128I had to add a launcher running evolution in gdb after 3.1.4 to get it starting20:45
seb128it segfault on start otherwise20:45
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RAOFMmm.  Front wheel drive cars are much more fun to push out of mud than rear wheel drive cars.22:17
RAOFIn related news... whoops, my driveway is really muddy. :)22:17
TheMusoPushing anything out of mud is a chore. :)22:18
TheMusoRAOF: Sounds like you've had lots of rain down there.22:19
RAOFIt wasn't so bad.  The golf's surprisingly light, and it wasn't stuck badly.22:20
RAOFTheMuso: Not really _that_ much rain, but it's been consistently drizzling, interspersed with actual rain, for a couple of weeks now.22:20
AfCRAOF: sorry I had to duck out the other day; did you decide that lifeless was right and that gir-1.2-json-1.0 needs to be rebuilt to fix the Conflicts: problem?22:22
RAOFAfC: I didn't end up deciding anything, but I believe seb and micahg have fixed that.22:23
AfCRAOF: ok, thanks; I'll wait for the upgrades to land in the Natty GNOME 3 PPA then22:24
AfCRAOF: Hm. There aren't any builds queued up. Do you know where there branches might be? I'm happy to test the package(s) directly.22:26
RAOFAfC: I don't know; perhaps they've not actually been fixed yet.22:35
AfCRAOF: no, appears not. Well, I'll test it someone wants me to, of course.22:38
RAOFAfC: This problem's only in the gnome3 PPA, right?22:46
lifelessAfC: for clarity, I didn't say that rebuilding gir-1.2-json-1.0 would fix anything22:46
lifelessAfC: I said that a virtual package (the provides line) could not be used to satisfy a versioned dependency22:46
micahgno, I'll fix the requisite bugs later tonight, the rdepends of the old binary need to be updated and the old binary removed22:47
lifelessAfC: this means either the new library needs the *same package name as the old one*, or, the users of it need to be rebuilt.22:49
micahgwell, the new one provides the old one22:49
lifelessmicahg: doesn't matter, won't work.22:50
micahgsure it will, if the binary is removed22:50
lifelessno it won't22:50
lifelessversioned depends are not satisfied by virtual packages.22:51
micahgyes, if it's versioned it won't22:51
lifelessand the rdepends are versioned22:51
micahgah, didn't know they were versioned, the ones I've run across weren't22:51
lifelessirssi-2011-08-08:22:32 #ubuntu-desktop: < AfC> lifeless: so, eg gnome-shell (not updated), Depends: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 (>= 0.12.0)22:52
AfCRAOF: yes, gnome3 PPA22:52
micahgI fixed gnome-shell in the archive before22:53
AfC[sorry, was eating breakfast]22:53
lifelessmicahg: sure, I wasn't meaning to say you hadn't, just that there (A) are/were versioned deps in play, and (B) for those packages changing the library won't help :)22:53
micahglifeless: right, which is why I think seb128 wanted the rdepends actually fixed (transitioned to the new binary)22:54
AfCmicahg: if I remember lifeless correctly, a workaround would be to remove the Conflicts line from the new gir-1.2-json-1.0, telling it not to conflict on old gir-1.2-json-glib-1.022:54
lifelessmakes sense to me22:54
lifelessAfC: nope, the conflicts thing is a distraction22:55
lifelessAfC: (it should be breaks, but it doesn't bear on why you had trouble)22:55
lifelessmicahg: oh, while you're in the area - it should be breaks/replaces, no ?22:55
AfCmicahg: [just fyi, my problem is that this is causing gnome-shell to be held back; if I do a dist-upgrade it wants to remove most of the GNOME stack and replace it with Compiz etc. A bit extreme :)]22:55
micahglifeless: if it's versioned, yes22:55
micahgthat change was made in Debian though22:56
lifelessheh, doesn't mean its right :)22:56
AfCIndeed :)22:56
lifelessstill, I'll get out of your hair; I'm only commenting here cause AfC is a friend and was stuck22:56
micahgAfC: yeah, I haven't done much with the gnome3 PPA, but I suppose I could backport the gnome-shell from the archive after feature freeze (too much to do beforehand)22:56
micahglifeless: indeed, I should file a bug :)22:57
AfCmicahg: well this appears to have cropped up because someone updated the gnome3 package in the PPA22:57
AfC[which I'm all in favour of, of course :)]22:58
micahgAfC: well, if json-glib isn't in the GNOME3 PPA, then you'll have the problem of reverting all these fixes for the transition since natty's version has the old binary22:58
* AfC looks22:59
AfCgir1.2-json-1.0 in PPA22:59
micahgyep, so it's been backported, ok then22:59
AfCmicahg: [which is what I can't install]23:00
micahgAfC: right, is the gnome-shell version in the PPA behind the archive version?23:01
AfC"archive version"?23:01
AfCnew(?) gnome-shell depends gir1.2-json-1.0; lots of other things depend on old gir1.2-json-glib-1.0.23:04
AfCBut new gir1.2-json-1.0 conflicts gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 [which lifeless tells us not to worry about, but]  result of the dependency resolution is to uninstall epiphany, gnome-shell, etc. :/23:05
micahgah, ok, then it's just a matter of updating the other items23:05
micahgwell, someone could create a transitional package in the PPA for gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 which would fix the issue23:06
micahgor wait until the rest are updated and backport23:06
AfCIt's just weird that I've found myself backed into such a corner. Frustrating; either lots of people should be encountering this, or I've gone and done something wrong. But I don't think so.23:07
AfCI'd wait, but every dist-upgrade wants to hammer my system; as I'm surely getting closer to being unable to upgrade something important as a result I'm nervous is all.23:08
AfCmicahg: so you suggest I create a dummy / empty package called gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 to satisfy the dependencies of the older packages [as a workaround]?23:09
micahgAfC: that would fix the issue depending on how urgent it is, you'd have to change the conflicts/replaces to a versioned breaks/replaces in json-glib23:10
bassognome died again23:11
bassoevil nvidia drivers!23:11
dobeyAfC: shouldn't it Provides: it, if it replaces it?23:16
lifelessdobey: not in general23:17
lifelessdobey: you only need provides for virtual packages23:17
lifelessdobey: e.g. 'mta' or 'httpd'23:17
lifelessdobey: virtual packages are no help if there are versioned depends, but can be used (as a bit of a hack) to ease transitions *IFF* there are no versioned depends.23:18
dobeyeh, isn't that basically what an empty binary package for transitioning is anyway?23:18
dobeyoh, right23:18
lifelessthats why empty binary packages are used, in fact :)23:18
dobeyi forgot apt/dpkg don't like verions with provides23:19
dobeywas that package renamed in debian or something?23:20
dobeyor just in a PPA?23:20
micahgrenamed in Debian and oneiric23:21
dobeyah ok23:21
lifelessdobey: versioned provides are different again :P but yes.23:21
dobeylifeless: yeah, one of my many frustrations with dpkg :)23:22

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