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| tkamppeter | jasoncwarner_, hi | 07:10 |
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| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 07:10 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, hi | 07:11 |
| seb128 | hey there | 07:11 |
| seb128 | hey tkamppeter | 07:11 |
| RAOF | seb128: Hey there! How's the summit going? | 07:22 |
| seb128 | hey RAOF, summit was nice, the conference part is over though, it's bofs and hacking now | 07:23 |
| RAOF | Ah, cool. | 07:23 |
| RAOF | seb128: Would you like me to disable the cairo-gl backend in cairo? When were you planning to do it? | 07:24 |
| micahg | seb128: did you get my email about gir-1.2-json-glib? | 07:24 |
| tkamppeter | RAOF, did mterry ask you to add a symbols file to the shared lib of colord, for the MIR? | 07:24 |
| seb128 | RAOF, I did that yesterday? | 07:24 |
| RAOF | seb128: Ah, excellent. | 07:25 |
| seb128 | micahg, yes but I was travelling and then forgot about it | 07:25 |
| micahg | seb128: k, well, if you get a chance, I'm happy to do the legwork either way | 07:25 |
| RAOF | tkamppeter: It's already *got* a symbols file. Let me check the bug. | 07:25 |
| seb128 | micahg, I guess I failed to see the issue | 07:27 |
| RAOF | tkamppeter: There's no request on the MIR that I can see - just asking kees to do a security review. | 07:28 |
| seb128 | micahg, the packages from the list you have just need a trivial update | 07:28 |
| micahg | seb128: yeah, they can either be updated or the old binary can be removed (since the new one provides the old one) | 07:28 |
| seb128 | micahg, we can drop the real binary to let the provide work while they are being rebuilt though | 07:28 |
| seb128 | micahg, both I would say | 07:29 |
| seb128 | the binary should be dropped but the rdepends should be fixed for oneiric | 07:29 |
| micahg | ok, couchdb-glib is FTBFS at the moment due to the binary | 07:29 |
| micahg | seb128: so, if it's ok, later today, I'll file a bug for the packages that need to be fixed and one to drop the binary? | 07:30 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128, micahg, RAOF, etc... | 07:31 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 07:32 |
| didrocks | bonjour rickspencer3 | 07:32 |
| micahg | hi rickspencer3 | 07:32 |
| rickspencer3 | FF tomorrow! stuff getting landed? | 07:32 |
| seb128 | trying to :-) | 07:32 |
| didrocks | dx stuff will land tomorrow :) | 07:32 |
| RAOF | There may be a new -nouveau and -ati snapshot landing tomorrow. The rest of the stack has been released pleasantly early :) | 07:35 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 07:37 |
| * TheMuso waves to the Europe folks has he works late to get a few things done before FF. :) | 07:38 | |
| seb128 | hey chrisccoulson, how are you? | 07:38 |
| seb128 | hey TheMuso | 07:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks | 07:38 |
| chrisccoulson | just watching the news though, very depressing! | 07:39 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you? | 07:39 |
| TheMuso | chrisccoulson: I hope you're away from the mayhem. | 07:39 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, what's happening in the world? | 07:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I've not be following the news this week | 07:40 |
| chrisccoulson | TheMuso, yeah, we're a few miles away from the trouble in birmingham | 07:40 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405 | 07:40 |
| TheMuso | Thats good to knokw. | 07:41 |
| TheMuso | know | 07:41 |
| tkamppeter | RAOF, OK, then it seems to be all OK. | 07:43 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, :-( | 07:46 |
| jibel | didrocks, morning | 07:57 |
| didrocks | hey jibel | 07:58 |
| jibel | didrocks, unity-greeter.postinst calls lightdm-set-defaults to set the default greeter to unity but I cannot find this script on my system, where can I find it or how do I set the default greeter to unity ? | 07:58 |
| didrocks | jibel: indeed, it's in lightdm trunk | 07:59 |
| didrocks | jibel: will be uploaded today | 07:59 |
| didrocks | jibel: normally, I test if it exists before, so shouldn't impact the users, isn't it? | 07:59 |
| seb128 | jibel, what unity-greeter do you use? | 07:59 |
| jibel | didrocks, there is no impact, I'll wait for next upload. | 07:59 |
| seb128 | oh ok | 08:00 |
| seb128 | change from didrocks this night | 08:00 |
| jibel | seb128, the one in the archive, is there another one ? | 08:00 |
| didrocks | jibel: you afraid me, ok uploading things at 3am isn't good, but still, I tested it :) | 08:00 |
| seb128 | jibel, no, I'm just behind, sorry ;-) | 08:00 |
| jibel | seb128, np, I wanted to confirm bug 816152. | 08:01 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 816152 in unity-greeter "Guest account is created/destroyed each time it is selected/deselected on the list" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816152 | 08:01 |
| jibel | seb128, does latest cairo works around the leak with nvidia graphics driver ? | 08:03 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:06 |
| seb128 | jibel, yes | 08:10 |
| pitti | seb128, didrocks: does your unity session work after today's package updates? it's completely broken here, using unity 2d now | 08:10 |
| * didrocks tries some reboot, brb | 08:10 | |
| seb128 | pitti, guten tag | 08:10 |
| didrocks | pitti: you're the second telling that, hence the reboot :) | 08:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, I didn't upgrade,restart this morning yet | 08:10 |
| didrocks | brb | 08:10 |
| jibel | seb128, thanks. | 08:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, is the intel issue from yesterday fixed? I wanted to keep a working box | 08:11 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, that's fixed | 08:11 |
| seb128 | ok great | 08:11 |
| pitti | just when you start the unity session, you just get a broken panel and nothing else | 08:11 |
| pitti | unity 2d works well enough to survive today | 08:11 |
| * jibel reboots with nvidia | 08:11 | |
| jibel | brb | 08:11 |
| seb128 | pitti, the panel is an unity one? is the dash working? | 08:12 |
| seb128 | are you sure it's not an intel or driver issue? | 08:12 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't know -- it's just a grey panel with a nautilus menu | 08:13 |
| seb128 | oh | 08:13 |
| seb128 | so unity is not starting | 08:13 |
| seb128 | it's appmenu | 08:13 |
| pitti | and you can't click or keypress | 08:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, didrocks knows what's wrong | 08:17 |
| seb128 | it's due to his session renaming yesterday | 08:17 |
| seb128 | he's on it | 08:17 |
| pitti | ah, cool | 08:17 |
| * pitti hugs did | 08:17 | |
| * pitti hugs didrocks in absence | 08:18 | |
| seb128 | pitti, can you try to change /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session | 08:18 |
| seb128 | if [ "x$DESKTOP_SESSION" = "xgnome" ]; then | 08:18 |
| seb128 | change xgnome to xubuntu | 08:18 |
| pitti | done, but how do I switch users now? | 08:19 |
| pitti | I can't restart my session right now | 08:19 |
| seb128 | pitti, d-feet? ;-) | 08:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, system bug org.freedesktop.DisplayManager | 08:20 |
| seb128 | on the .Seat interface | 08:20 |
| seb128 | SwitchToGreeter | 08:20 |
| pitti | ah, thanks | 08:21 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey | 08:22 |
| pitti | that did the trick, thanks! | 08:22 |
| seb128 | ricotz, seems like slangasek fixed your totem issue | 08:22 |
| seb128 | pitti, excellent, thanks for confirming | 08:22 |
| pitti | I now have a letter icon with a plus in my panel which collects all notify-osd notifications, and I manually have to clean them every time | 08:27 |
| pitti | is that a new (mis)feature or something I accidentally installed? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | pitti, seems like the second one | 08:34 |
| seb128 | pitti, did you install any indicator? | 08:34 |
| pitti | yesterday, the qt one | 08:34 |
| seb128 | oh | 08:35 |
| seb128 | is that thing an indicator? | 08:35 |
| seb128 | like can you go left right to it from the other indicators? | 08:35 |
| pitti | hm, apparently I can't | 08:38 |
| pitti | but that might also empathy, which now appeas in the panel again | 08:39 |
| * pitti closes that | 08:39 | |
| pitti | right, still not an indicator | 08:39 |
| pitti | and it looks very ugly and old | 08:39 |
| pitti | ooooh | 08:39 |
| pitti | martin 4505 0.0 0.3 214792 14980 ? Sl 09:14 0:02 /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon | 08:39 |
| pitti | seb128: I suppose we need to update the notify-osd dbus activation file for the renamed session | 08:39 |
| * pitti looks into this | 08:39 | |
| pitti | $GDMSESSION is "ubuntu-2d" now | 08:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, indeed | 08:47 |
| seb128 | pitti, just to gnome->ubuntu in there | 08:47 |
| seb128 | ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /tmp/tmpbfM21V/usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.11) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | :-( | 08:48 |
| seb128 | no retracers | 08:48 |
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| jibel | phew, back. no unity, no external monitor, lost my shortcuts, no fun :( | 08:51 |
| seb128 | hum, no mvo | 08:51 |
| zyga | good morning | 08:51 |
| pitti | seb128: so "our" sessions are now "ubuntu" and "ubuntu-2d", right? | 08:58 |
| seb128 | yes | 08:59 |
| pitti | seb128: no "unity" any more; and the GNOME upstream one will be called "gnome"? | 08:59 |
| pitti | i. e. there notify-osd should _not_ start? | 08:59 |
| ricotz | seb128, hi, i will check totem later, thanks | 08:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, correct | 08:59 |
| seb128 | pitti, the upstream one are gnome and gnome-shell | 09:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: sorry, with nux building, my laptop is slow as hell | 09:02 |
| didrocks | pitti: so, the migration plan is: | 09:03 |
| didrocks | - you can't execute anymore (for this release and LTS) the "gnome.desktop" session | 09:03 |
| didrocks | you are transitionned to ubuntu.dekstop | 09:03 |
| didrocks | desktop* | 09:03 |
| didrocks | - gnome-shell.desktop launch the gnome-shell session | 09:03 |
| didrocks | - gnome-fallback is the gnome-panel session with metacity | 09:04 |
| didrocks | - gnome-classic is the gnome-panel + compiz (and eventually degrade to metacity) | 09:04 |
| didrocks | (for post LTS gnome-shell will be renamed gnome.desktop) | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, if you have the latest thunderbird now, you can change the message indicator to inbox-only mode | 09:07 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: awesome! this is in the preferences? | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | Edit -> Preferences, and there is a checkbox in the "General" tab | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | "Only for messages in my Inbox folder" | 09:08 |
| cdbs | Can anyone check if the battery indicator comes up in gnome-shell? Seems to be failing with latest stack | 09:09 |
| pitti | seb128, didrocks: notify-osd fix uploaded, FYI | 09:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 09:11 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks :) | 09:14 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: ok, will try this, thanks! | 09:15 |
| pitti | hm, weird; for a fresh test user the ubuntu session works now, but not for mine | 09:19 |
| pitti | anyway, later | 09:19 |
| chrisccoulson | does gtk-window-decorator keep crashing for anybody else? | 09:20 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, do you call in to these meetings? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_6/Final_Signoffs | 09:21 |
| seb128 | pitti, could be a .dmrc thing? | 09:21 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: no, but I usually read the notes | 09:21 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, no | 09:21 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, ok, thanks | 09:21 |
| pitti | seb128: already wiped them | 09:21 |
| micahg | chrisccoulson: maybe I should? | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, it crashes a couple of times per hour here ;) | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | micahg, reading the notes is probably fine. i just don't know how long it takes them to write it up ;) | 09:22 |
| cdbs | chrisccoulson: You're using gtk-window-decorator? Shouldn't it be unity-window-decorator? Try that | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | cdbs, it got reverted before a3 | 09:22 |
| chrisccoulson | and unity-window-decorator crashed just as much anyway | 09:23 |
| cdbs | ah, makes sense | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | cdbs, bug 814091 | 09:23 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 814091 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_draw_window_decoration()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814091 | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | it's pretty much the same trace for gtk-window-decorator too | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it crashes in the same function ;) | 09:23 |
| didrocks | pitti: indeed, it works for a fresh test users with the other changes, that's where I've been trapped :) | 09:23 |
| chrisccoulson | cdbs, bug 766835 is the gtk-window-decorator crash | 09:25 |
| cdbs | hmm | 09:25 |
| chrisccoulson | ha, this is cool - http://pr09studio.deviantart.com/art/Narwhal-meet-Ocelot-210649704 | 10:26 |
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| seb128 | chrisccoulson, how is the new gnome-keyring going btw? | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, oh, stefw was looking at my problem that last time we spoke, but i've not pinged him again recently | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | has he been in berlin this week? | 10:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm using the new gnome-keyring btw. it's just that i get certificate errors every time i open empathy atm ;) | 10:33 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, he's still there I think | 10:34 |
| seb128 | I talked to him yesterday | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, has he fixed it yet? ;) | 10:34 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, no ;-) | 10:34 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, do you think i should just upload? password storage seems to work fine | 10:35 |
| seb128 | yes | 10:35 |
| chrisccoulson | ok, i'll do that shortly then | 10:35 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:35 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll make sure we have a bug targetted to track the regression though | 10:35 |
| seb128 | better to not block on fixing a bug | 10:35 |
| seb128 | or it will never land ;-) | 10:35 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 10:35 |
| seb128 | we will get the motivation to get it fixed once it's in :p | 10:36 |
| chrisccoulson | i should probably update p11-kit as well | 10:36 |
| didrocks | jibel: about bug #820266, do you have it in g-c-c? | 10:37 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 820266 in gnome-control-center "CTRL+ALT+T doesn't open a terminal anymore" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820266 | 10:37 |
| didrocks | jibel: are you on the unity-2d session? | 10:38 |
| jibel | didrocks, yes, in keyboard shortcuts/launchers/Terminal the shortcut is set to disabled. | 10:38 |
| jibel | didrocks, yes 2d, unity doesn't start today. | 10:38 |
| didrocks | jibel: ok, I have to recheck the integration with compiz then, I tried to achieve that a couple of weeks ago and g-c-c seems to not have the needded integration for compiz | 10:39 |
| didrocks | jibel: I'll definitively have a newer check | 10:39 |
| jibel | didrocks, ok thanks | 10:40 |
| didrocks | jibel: thanks to you, it was on my TODO tracking list before finale, nice to have a bug :) | 10:40 |
| rodrigo_ | hmm, can't get to this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/804221), but others are fine | 11:00 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 804221 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:515: _XReply: Assertion `!dpy->xcb->reply_data' failed." [High,Confirmed] | 11:00 |
| rodrigo_ | ah no, timeout on others now also :( | 11:00 |
| rodrigo_ | is it me, because I've been having disconnections since yesterday, or does it happen for other people? | 11:01 |
| cdbs | seb128: ping, is there some restriction on packages being MIRed after FF? | 11:03 |
| cdbs | if so, then I'll rush the liboauth update today | 11:04 |
| seb128 | cdbs, not really but there are some restriction on landing new versions or new features after the ff | 11:04 |
| cdbs | seb128: This one won't be affected by FF anyway | 11:04 |
| seb128 | cdbs, isn't it needed for a new libgdata serie? | 11:05 |
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| cdbs | seb128: oh yeah | 11:05 |
| cdbs | seb128: Would you do me a favour then, by sponsoring my Debian liboauth upload? | 11:06 |
| cdbs | :) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | no | 11:06 |
| cdbs | alright | 11:06 |
| seb128 | I'm at desktop summit still with only my laptop and no Debian install | 11:07 |
| cdbs | hmm | 11:07 |
| seb128 | sorry | 11:07 |
| cdbs | no problem, I'll post on mentors with an [URGENT] tag or so | 11:08 |
| seb128 | but should not be really hard to find a Debian sponsor though | 11:08 |
| seb128 | you might want to tell cyphermox and get an upload to Ubuntu | 11:08 |
| seb128 | we can sync later from Debian once it's uploaded there | 11:08 |
| cdbs | okay | 11:08 |
| cdbs | that would be better, 'coz I already have upload rights for Ubuntu | 11:08 |
| cdbs | universe, to be specific | 11:09 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, timeout there as well | 11:09 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok, not me then, good to know :) | 11:09 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, you can add +text to the url | 11:09 |
| seb128 | that works | 11:09 |
| rodrigo_ | oh, ok | 11:09 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, it's likely having issue due to the duplicates | 11:10 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, the fix for bug 820485 was never committed to bzr | 11:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 820485 in gnome-keyring "ubiquity stops installation at 'Configuring target system'" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820485 | 11:19 |
| chrisccoulson | good job i checked before uploading ;) | 11:19 |
| pgraner | hey seb128 have you seen probs after todays updates with logging in? On the default Ubuntu session I get a menubar across the top for nautilus and nothing else, the 2d session works fine | 11:21 |
| cdbs | even I had the same issue as pgraner, so logged into KDE instead :) | 11:24 |
| * pgraner has hit it on 3 different machines | 11:27 | |
| chrisccoulson | ok, gnome-keyring uploaded now | 11:49 |
| chrisccoulson | just waiting on the p11-kit MIR | 11:49 |
| tjaalton | my desktop machine has the same as pgraner, where my laptop doesn't let me in at all, gnome-session fails with error 1 | 11:54 |
| tjaalton | hum, and looks like the update decided to turn sloppy focus off | 11:57 |
| * pitti gets his first complete GDBus server call implemented in Python and dances around happily | 12:07 | |
| tjaalton | fun. if /var is full, you can't start _any_ session | 12:07 |
| tjaalton | not even the failsafe one | 12:07 |
| tjaalton | with lightdm | 12:08 |
| tjaalton | at least | 12:08 |
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| alex3f | hi mvo | 12:13 |
| mvo | hey alex3f | 12:14 |
| alex3f | running software-center-gtk3 from trunk gives me import error, no installedpaned | 12:14 |
| alex3f | from what i see it was moved to unused_installedpaned | 12:14 |
| mvo | alex3f: uh, sorry, let me fix that | 12:14 |
| alex3f | I have cleaned my .pyc's | 12:15 |
| mvo | alex3f: looks like I was a bit overly agressive | 12:15 |
| alex3f | :D aggressive is good | 12:15 |
| mvo | fixed in r2065 | 12:17 |
| tjaalton | pgraner: another dist-upgrade fixed the session here | 12:17 |
| m_ | prolblem with poilcykit - help needed | 12:20 |
| alex3f | mvo, thanks, if you have the time, look over minor changes in backend-refactor | 12:21 |
| pgraner | tjaalton, thanks | 12:22 |
| alex3f | mvo, how about this one (after merging with trunk): http://pastebin.com/Z16fWpUk | 12:23 |
| zyga | mvo, hi | 12:27 |
| mvo | hey zyga | 12:27 |
| zyga | mvo, +1 to merge that c-n-f patch? | 12:27 |
| mvo | alex3f: I think this bug is from the gtk3 branch churn, I check your branch next. how do you trigger the backtrace you just outlined? just starting it? | 12:30 |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 12:30 | |
| mvo | zyga: which one? the use_matcherFalse one? | 12:30 |
| mvo | zyga: that one +1 from me :) | 12:30 |
| zyga | yes | 12:30 |
| zyga | ok, thanks | 12:30 |
| zyga | mvo, will you use the new trunk for subsequent ubuntu releases? | 12:31 |
| mvo | zyga: I'm happy to, I can do a upload today if you want me to | 12:32 |
| mvo | great to have you back in c-n-f land :) | 12:32 |
| zyga | mvo, :-) | 12:32 |
| zyga | mvo, I just noticed that someone wants to help and I did my best to make that possible | 12:33 |
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| mvo | no seb128 today? | 12:47 |
| pitti | mvo: might still be at lunch | 12:48 |
| mvo | pitti: ok, I may have a present for him | 12:50 |
| pitti | mvo: you dropped the synaptics dep? | 12:51 |
| seb128 | hey mvo pitti | 12:51 |
| mvo | yeah | 12:51 |
| mvo | well, not quite, but I'm close | 12:51 |
| pitti | mvo: summoning powers! | 12:51 |
| * pitti hugs mvo and seb128 | 12:51 | |
| * mvo hugs pitti and seb128 | 12:51 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti and mvo | 12:52 | |
| seb128 | mvo, you ported update-notifier to aptdaemon? | 12:52 |
| mvo | seb128: almost, just doing the final testing | 12:53 |
| mvo | seb128: but should be ready RSN | 12:53 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 12:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, so apt is working on the retracer but python-apt is broken and I've nfc how to fix it | 12:57 |
| pitti | seb128: it crashes with this GLIBXX314 blabla? :-( | 12:58 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:58 |
| seb128 | simple python -c "import apt" has the same issue | 12:58 |
| pitti | darn; unfortunately this tells me nothing either | 12:58 |
| seb128 | using apt-get works though | 12:58 |
| pitti | seb128: is this a natty or oneiric dchroot underneath? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | natty | 12:59 |
| pitti | seb128: perhaps we need to run it in an oneiric dchroot now | 12:59 |
| seb128 | let me try that... | 12:59 |
| seb128 | we need a real vm like in kvm image for those | 12:59 |
| pitti | yeah | 12:59 |
| pitti | that would help a ton | 12:59 |
| seb128 | hum | 13:01 |
| seb128 | " File "/home/ubuntu-archive/apport-retracer-amd64/apport/apport/chroot.py", line 32, in setup_fakeroot_env | 13:01 |
| seb128 | '%s not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly' % libfakechroot | 13:01 |
| seb128 | AssertionError: /usr/lib/fakechroot/libfakechroot.so not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly | 13:01 |
| seb128 | " | 13:01 |
| seb128 | when trying to apport-chroot in an oneiric chroot | 13:01 |
| cyphermox | cdbs: hey :) | 13:01 |
| cdbs | hi cyphermox | 13:01 |
| cdbs | cyphermox: 0.9.4-1ubuntu2 already in | 13:02 |
| pitti | seb128: try sudo apt-get install fakechroot? | 13:02 |
| cyphermox | cdbs: cool, thanks! | 13:02 |
| seb128 | pitti, $ sudo apt-get install fakechroot | 13:02 |
| seb128 | sudo: unknown uid: 1000 | 13:02 |
| pitti | seb128: you can only do that as seb128, not as ubuntu-archive | 13:03 |
| pitti | seb128: I installed it into the amd64 oneiric dchroot now | 13:03 |
| seb128 | nothing to do | 13:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:03 |
| seb128 | let me retry the retracer | 13:03 |
| seb128 | better | 13:03 |
| seb128 | ok, works there | 13:04 |
| pitti | seb128: installed into oneiric-i386, too | 13:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, thanks | 13:04 |
| seb128 | I'm changed the cron job to use oneiric, I bet that will break natty retracing though | 13:04 |
| pitti | *shrug* | 13:04 |
| seb128 | or maybe not, let's see | 13:04 |
| pitti | at worst we have to split the cronjob again | 13:05 |
| seb128 | with some hackery for the chrtoomaps | 13:05 |
| seb128 | but yes | 13:06 |
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| seb128 | jibel, the liveCD has no french langpacks, it's since before natty | 13:12 |
| seb128 | jibel, is that what you mean in bug #820705? | 13:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 820705 in Ubuntu Oneiric "live session indicators/unity not translated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820705 | 13:12 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: is there a plan for separate feeds again in the new gwibber I'm being asked? | 13:13 |
| mvo | zyga: uploaded, thanks again, the speedup number are really impressive! | 13:13 |
| jibel | seb128, oh you're right sorry. I'll try with german to be sure then close as won't fix. | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, define feeds? | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | there are now, messages, replies, etc | 13:14 |
| kenvandine | do you mean by account? | 13:14 |
| zyga | mvo, there is another approach from another contributor, he proposed rewriting c-n-f from scratch with different database backend, I lost the bug number (this is another annoyance with launchpad) but his proof of concept code was even more impressive | 13:14 |
| seb128 | jibel, german is not on the CD either | 13:14 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: streams is the word I'm after and couldn't think of | 13:15 |
| seb128 | jibel, try spanish | 13:15 |
| jibel | seb128, ok | 13:15 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, ok... well the new gwibber does that | 13:15 |
| zyga | mvo, would you object if I re-wrote setup.py with setuptools and had a look at debian packaging -- it seems overly complex | 13:15 |
| alex3f | mvo: sorry, power outage here; yes, just by running ./s-c-gtk3 | 13:15 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: it does, does it? is this a trunk version? | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | it has since i first uploaded it... | 13:16 |
| kenvandine | the buttons on top change streams | 13:16 |
| zyga | mvo, I'd like to split the debian packaging if possible, we could keep a branch with packaging (and perhaps the data file, but that could also be in another branch) and merge the tree while building | 13:16 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: Yeah I think he means adding his own one per account etc | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | you mean multi-column? | 13:17 |
| kenvandine | or filtering, so you can see replies for just a single account? | 13:18 |
| alex3f | mvo, complete output http://pastebin.com/szJMM5jV | 13:18 |
| kenvandine | davmor2, i want to bring back multi-column view, but we don't have a design for it | 13:20 |
| kenvandine | and since feature freeze is tomorrow, that isn't going to happen | 13:20 |
| davmor2 | kenvandine: I'm just checking with him | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | i have an idea for filtering by account | 13:21 |
| Laney | do you have twitter list support? | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | but on the fence on implementing it | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | Laney, well sort of... it isn't in the new UI :/ | 13:21 |
| mvo | zyga: sure, go ahead, a move to dh_python2/dh7 would be very welcome | 13:21 |
| Laney | :-) | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | gwibber does and it has all the data ;) | 13:21 |
| mvo | zyga: arch-build can go away too | 13:21 |
| kenvandine | i have a branch where i started trying to display it... but it made me decide we need to do some refactoring... | 13:22 |
| zyga | mvo, I'm not familiar with dh_python2 but perhaps that's the right time to learn, I do all our linaro/lava packaging with python-support as that is compatible back to 10.04 | 13:22 |
| kenvandine | which isn't likely to happen right now | 13:22 |
| Laney | isn't architecture fun? :P | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | yup :) | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | gwibber has so many variations of types of data to display | 13:23 |
| kenvandine | so the code ends up looking terrible trying to shift things around depending on the data type | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | i need to create different tile widgets | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | and change out the widget depending on the data | 13:24 |
| kenvandine | which will be a huge improvement... | 13:24 |
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| seb128 | E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ | 13:27 |
| seb128 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. | 13:27 |
| seb128 | retracers! | 13:27 |
| seb128 | mvo, ^ did you see similars errors before? | 13:28 |
| seb128 | that's happening on an apt-get update using current oneiric in oneiric chroots aka retracers | 13:29 |
| mvo | seb128: and does that dir exists there? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:29 |
| mvo | and its writable too | 13:29 |
| mvo | ? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | and and do an echo test > /var/cache/apt/test works | 13:29 |
| seb128 | and doing | 13:30 |
| mvo | hm, hm, do you have any special apt config there? | 13:30 |
| seb128 | no | 13:30 |
| seb128 | but could well be a fakechroot issue | 13:30 |
| seb128 | wouldn't be the first time | 13:30 |
| chrisccoulson | we don't need xscreensaver-data and xscreensaver-gl on the CD unless we bring back the screensaver hacks, do we? | 13:31 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, correct | 13:31 |
| seb128 | which we will not do this cycle for sure | 13:31 |
| chrisccoulson | ok, we can drop those from the seed then :) | 13:32 |
| chrisccoulson | although, it's less than 1MB | 13:32 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 13:32 |
| seb128 | still a win | 13:33 |
| seb128 | # dpkg -i strace_4.5.20-2.3ubuntu1_amd64.deb | 13:34 |
| seb128 | dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory | 13:34 |
| seb128 | mvo, ^ it's not only apt :( | 13:34 |
| mvo | ok | 13:35 |
| seb128 | it doesn't happen on the same fakechroot in a natty chroot | 13:36 |
| seb128 | so it's something with fakechroot | 13:36 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ just for info | 13:36 |
| pitti | :( | 13:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, what about screensaver-default-images? | 13:39 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure if people actually use those images as backgrounds or not | 13:40 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, hi | 13:43 |
| pitti | hello tkamppeter | 13:43 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, where are you, can I come to you? | 13:44 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: in the GI hackfest room at floor 4 | 13:44 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have a big problem, bug 821883 | 13:44 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll "[MIR] argyll" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821883 | 13:44 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: we do have libusb-1.0-0-dev | 13:46 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: the old libusb-dev is deprecated | 13:47 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, can you tell me your room number? | 13:49 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: 403 | 13:50 |
| mvo | seb128: update-notifier uploaded | 13:57 |
| seb128 | mvo, \o/ | 13:57 |
| pitti | yippie | 14:06 |
| chrisccoulson | w00t | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | so, does that finally drop synaptic off the CD? | 14:08 |
| mvo | I think so, even though I will shed a little tear or two | 14:08 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 14:09 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - want to merge this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/ubuntu-seeds/no-xscreensaver/revision/1892 ;) | 14:12 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: ooh, CD space! | 14:13 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: some 800 kB, yummy; merged, thanks! | 14:15 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - excellent, thanks :) | 14:15 |
| geser | pitti: are the apport retracers for oneiric running? | 14:23 |
| pitti | geser: I think seb128 just fought with them for a while | 14:23 |
| pitti | but seems they are currently broken on a weird combination of apt and fakechroot bug | 14:24 |
| geser | ok :( | 14:24 |
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| chrisccoulson | hmmm, i really need to update nspr/nss | 14:40 |
| chrisccoulson | just in case we need to flick the switch to use those in firefox/thunderbird ;) | 14:40 |
| chrisccoulson | i currently can't build them against the versions we have | 14:41 |
| rodrigo_ | brb | 14:59 |
| pgraner | tjaalton, well the updates fixed that but now I can't log in at all lightdm just loops | 15:16 |
| pgraner | tjaalton, even the 2d session does it one every box I have :( | 15:17 |
| tjaalton | pgraner: yeah my laptop does the same, don't dare logout from my desktop session :/ | 15:20 |
| seb128 | does what? | 15:20 |
| tjaalton | can't log in | 15:20 |
| seb128 | like? | 15:20 |
| seb128 | session is empty, send you back to lightdm,gdm? hang? | 15:21 |
| tjaalton | it passes auth, and returns back to the login screen | 15:21 |
| tjaalton | same with both lightdm and gdm | 15:21 |
| seb128 | remove .ICEauthority in your user dir | 15:21 |
| tjaalton | duh wait, forgot that in my case it was actually /var being full :P | 15:21 |
| seb128 | if that's the same issue I was having this morning | 15:21 |
| pgraner | seb128, yea removing .ICEauthority fixed it | 15:29 |
| seb128 | pgraner, great | 15:29 |
| seb128 | pgraner, seems similar to bug #823775 then | 15:29 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 823775 in lightdm "Cannot login: could not update ICEauthority file .ICEauthority" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823775 | 15:29 |
| pgraner | seb128, yep, happened sometime yesterday after a bunch of updates | 15:30 |
| seb128 | mterry, ^ do you think you could have a look to that? not sure if that's lightdm but it seems likely | 15:31 |
| seb128 | I got the issue twice this yesterday | 15:31 |
| seb128 | stalling .ICEauthority files breaking login | 15:31 |
| pgraner | seb128, its bit me on 3 machines here today | 15:31 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah, I had that on my list to look into. Sounds bad though, I can look now | 15:31 |
| mterry | seb128, I haven't hit it. Did you do anything different? | 15:32 |
| seb128 | no, just shutdown from the session indicator | 15:32 |
| seb128 | and turn my laptop on this morning | 15:32 |
| pgraner | mterry, ack on that same here for me | 15:32 |
| seb128 | got a similar issue after a switch to vt and ctrl-alt-del yesterday | 15:32 |
| seb128 | mterry, oh, I'm using the unity greeter since yesterday if that makes any difference | 15:34 |
| mterry | pgraner, you mean, you haven't seen it or you have and haven't done anything to deserver it? | 15:34 |
| seb128 | but I don't think it's likely to be the greeter | 15:34 |
| pgraner | mterry, I have hit the same thing on 3 boxes here since yesterdays updates | 15:35 |
| tjaalton | duh, now I got the "nautilus menu bar on top" on my laptop with current updates | 15:35 |
| seb128 | mterry, I would randomly guess it's r1015 if I were to guess | 15:35 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, when did that start? oh you mean you get no unity? did you get the compiz updates from today? | 15:36 |
| pgraner | tjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today | 15:36 |
| mterry | seb128, that does seem related :) | 15:36 |
| mterry | Would like to be able to reproduce. I'll try a few more time | 15:36 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, if no you need to ack your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session and change xgnome to xubuntu | 15:36 |
| seb128 | ack->hack | 15:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, <pgraner> tjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today | 15:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, ^ I think that was for you | 15:36 |
| seb128 | ups | 15:36 |
| seb128 | he replied to you before, ignore that ;-) | 15:37 |
| tjaalton | seb128: right, unity --replace does work, and it does have the current updates, compiz 0.9.5.0-0ubuntu3 | 15:37 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, echo $GDMSESSION | 15:37 |
| seb128 | ? | 15:38 |
| seb128 | ups | 15:38 |
| seb128 | echo $DESKTOP_SESSION | 15:38 |
| tjaalton | gnome.. | 15:39 |
| tjaalton | got it | 15:39 |
| seb128 | weird | 15:39 |
| tjaalton | same in .dmrc | 15:39 |
| seb128 | the new gnome-session uploaded yesterday should migrate gnome to unity | 15:39 |
| tjaalton | but it can't change ~/.dmrc? | 15:40 |
| seb128 | why not? | 15:40 |
| tjaalton | or does it matter? | 15:40 |
| tjaalton | ah right, it's written to after login | 15:40 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, do you use lightdm? | 15:41 |
| tjaalton | seb128: yes | 15:41 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, ok, weird | 15:42 |
| mterry | seb128, ok, I can't log in now, so that's good. Where do you see the error though? I don't see anything about ICE in my /var/log | 15:43 |
| seb128 | didrocks added a patch to lightdm that should rewrite the dmrc and replace gnome by ubuntu | 15:43 |
| seb128 | mterry, I don't see the error in the bug | 15:43 |
| seb128 | mterry, I just get a can't open display in .xsession-errors | 15:43 |
| pgraner | seb128, I have the nautilus bar issue on screen right now on two boxes do you need anything from them for debugging? | 15:43 |
| seb128 | mterry, which leaded me to check .ICEauthority and .Xauthority | 15:43 |
| tjaalton | seb128: when I choose my user from the greeter, the session pull-down menu is 'blank', so no session is preselected | 15:43 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, can you open a bug with your .dmrc? | 15:44 |
| pgraner | I see the same blank field as well | 15:44 |
| seb128 | pgraner, ^ please add your .dmrc to the bug | 15:44 |
| pgraner | seb128, ack | 15:44 |
| seb128 | does selecting "ubuntu" fixes it? get the .dmrc first though | 15:44 |
| tjaalton | copied, trying | 15:44 |
| pgraner | seb128, not for me, I tried that yesterday | 15:45 |
| tjaalton | yes, helped here | 15:45 |
| seb128 | pgraner, right, there was a bug that didrocks fixed before lunch today | 15:45 |
| seb128 | so there is a bug remaining which is the empty session selected | 15:45 |
| seb128 | could be another lightdm issue for mterry ;-) | 15:45 |
| bigon | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811805 << /me comes back with this bug | 15:45 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 811805 in metacity "GDM spawn a metacity process that is not terminated when a user login" [Undecided,New] | 15:46 |
| seb128 | mterry, welcome on the lightdm board :p | 15:46 |
| bigon | related? | 15:46 |
| seb128 | bigon, no, we are speaking lightdm, it doesn't run a wm | 15:46 |
| seb128 | lightdm doesn't spaw a GNOME session | 15:46 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah, maybe my session not working was just me having the empty session... When I select Ubuntu it logs in | 15:46 |
| tjaalton | yeah it's looking the same after logout, and if I log in when it's empty, .dmrc shows gnome again | 15:46 |
| * bigon goes back in idle then | 15:46 | |
| pgraner | seb128, my .dmrc shows ubuntu | 15:47 |
| tjaalton | hum, now it loads unity despite .dmrc showing gnome.. | 15:48 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, that's normal | 15:50 |
| seb128 | gnome is unity | 15:50 |
| seb128 | gnome-shell is "gnome-shell" | 15:50 |
| seb128 | that's the transition didrocks started there | 15:50 |
| seb128 | renaming our default session which historically was to ubuntu | 15:51 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, did you say you use the unity greeter or the gtk one? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | pgraner, ^ | 15:53 |
| pgraner | seb128, how do I tell, its a default install with updates | 15:53 |
| seb128 | gtk then | 15:53 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:53 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, pgraner, mterry: ok, we figured the issue | 15:55 |
| seb128 | the "no session is selected" one | 15:56 |
| seb128 | it happens with didrocks migration for those who didn't have a .dmrc | 15:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 15:56 |
| seb128 | it's likely your issue as well, need to pick "ubuntu" in the greeter session | 15:56 |
| pitti | seb128: I had that bug, too, but it still doesn't work when I explicitly select ubuntu | 15:56 |
| pgraner | seb128, same here | 15:56 |
| seb128 | pitti, you are update with the compiz 0ubuntu3 from lunch? | 15:56 |
| seb128 | uptodate | 15:57 |
| pitti | seb128: is that more than just changing the Xsession.d file? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | or hacked your etc session file? | 15:57 |
| seb128 | no | 15:57 |
| pitti | if so, then no | 15:57 |
| seb128 | hum | 15:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, what session is in your user .dmrc? | 15:57 |
| pitti | we can look at it in the evening in the hotel | 15:57 |
| pitti | Session=ubuntu-2d | 15:57 |
| pitti | (which is what I selected to get something working) | 15:57 |
| seb128 | ok, normal that's what you are using | 15:57 |
| seb128 | yeah, let's check tonight | 15:57 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, did you open the bug? | 16:00 |
| tkamppeter | mterry, I have replaced the MIR for Argyll by a MIR for libicc-only now, bug 824032 | 16:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 824032 in libicc "[MIR] libicc" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824032 | 16:06 |
| seb128 | mterry, we are going to do a lightdm upload, is there any commit we should cherrypick? | 16:12 |
| seb128 | the gdmflexiserver? | 16:12 |
| seb128 | why is bzr commit not letting me edit the changelog entry it uses at commit since today? | 16:15 |
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| tjaalton | seb128: no I didn't do that yet, should I? My laptop installation is very old though, so I'm pretty sure it had a .dmrc since the beginning | 16:17 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, no, that's fine, that was for changelog bug closing reference | 16:18 |
| seb128 | if there was a bug to close | 16:18 |
| seb128 | don't bother opening one ;-) | 16:18 |
| tjaalton | heh, ok | 16:18 |
| tkamppeter | jasoncwarner_, hi | 16:24 |
| rodrigo_ | bbl | 16:27 |
| mterry | seb128, sorry, was at lunch. Yeah, gdmflexiserver is a good one | 16:31 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:31 |
| seb128 | mterry, doing that | 16:31 |
| * pitti waves good night | 16:49 | |
| didrocks | mvo: hey, small quick question if you are around, do you mind if you/I set now a recommends on oneconf? (to get that done before FF) | 17:15 |
| mvo | didrocks: done | 17:17 |
| * mvo waves good night before didrocks gets more ideas ;) | 17:18 | |
| didrocks | mvo come back! :-) | 17:18 |
| mterry | seb128, the /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm fix should have happened already. That was due to some buildsystem package setting libexecdir to a duplicated directory. I believe I saw a fix go by for that in oneiric. If you rebuild the package, do you see the dup directory? | 17:28 |
| seb128 | mterry, yes | 17:29 |
| seb128 | mterry, ./usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm/gdmflexiserver | 17:29 |
| mterry | seb128, hrm. Well, I'm loathe to say it's a bug in lightdm, since that's the PKGLIBEXEC that configure gives | 17:29 |
| seb128 | on the current packaging vcs which has your commit | 17:30 |
| charlie-tca | seb128: Do I need to pull a new lightdm from somewhere? 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 still gives me two xubuntu sessions. | 17:30 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, no, I though robert_ancell said it was supposed to fixed | 17:31 |
| seb128 | or maybe it was with the unity greeter | 17:31 |
| seb128 | will check with him when he's back | 17:32 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, will update the bug | 17:32 |
| seb128 | mterry, | 17:32 |
| seb128 | Makefile:pkglibexecdir = $(libexecdir)/lightdm | 17:32 |
| seb128 | Makefile:libexecdir = ${prefix}/lib/lightdm | 17:32 |
| seb128 | that seems buggy indeed | 17:33 |
| mterry | seb128, that's because Ubuntu differs from most systems for libexecdir. Most don't add the package name. The package change I thought I saw go by dropped that delta | 17:33 |
| mterry | But I guess I was misreading | 17:33 |
| seb128 | mterry, right, usually our libexecdir is /usr/lib/<component> | 17:35 |
| seb128 | mterry, but I'm not sure what pkglibexecdir is | 17:35 |
| seb128 | usually things just install to libexecdir | 17:35 |
| tkamppeter | jasoncwarner_, hi | 17:35 |
| mterry | seb128, my understanding (and I've not been on a non-Ubuntu system for a while) is that on non-Ubuntu systems, libexecdir is /usr/lib and pkglibexecdir is /usr/lib/<component> | 17:35 |
| jasoncwarner_ | seb128: be down in a minute | 17:36 |
| seb128 | jasoncwarner_, ok | 17:36 |
| mterry | seb128, so pkglibexecdir would be the correct place to install utility binaries normally, which is why I chose it | 17:36 |
| seb128 | mterry, hum | 17:36 |
| mterry | seb128, but again, I'd have to grab a Fedora system or something to confirm my memory | 17:37 |
| seb128 | mterry, asking to vuntz | 17:37 |
| seb128 | he's sitting next to me | 17:38 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, you are right | 17:38 |
| mterry | seb128, I'm not sure why we do that, except maybe to avoid collisions | 17:39 |
| seb128 | mterry, yeah, it's coming from Debian | 17:39 |
| seb128 | re | 17:47 |
| seb128 | mterry, seems the path hack is still not working | 17:47 |
| seb128 | mterry, but don't worry about it, not a priority | 17:47 |
| mterry | seb128, darn it? you mean it's still not in PATH? | 17:48 |
| seb128 | mterry, $ strings /proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | grep ^PATH= | 17:49 |
| seb128 | PATH=/home/seb128/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games | 17:49 |
| seb128 | mterry, seems on a command line | 17:49 |
| seb128 | same | 17:49 |
| mterry | seb128, I tested it, and got it here... Hm | 17:49 |
| seb128 | ok, need to go for dinner, will check out later, don't worry about it | 17:49 |
| mterry | I'll add it back on my TODO list | 17:49 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:49 |
| kirkland | how do i get my clock back in the top panel? | 17:55 |
| mterry | kirkland, in Unity? | 17:57 |
| kirkland | mterry: yeah | 17:57 |
| kirkland | mterry: it disappeared yesterday with updates | 17:57 |
| mterry | kirkland, shouldn't have done that. there is a preference for it, but not sure why it would change on you. Make sure you have clock set to visible in Time & Date preferences in control center | 17:58 |
| kirkland | mterry: hmm, can't launch the system settings application either | 17:59 |
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| === MacSlow|break is now known as MacSlow | ||
| seb128 | good evening desktopers | 20:02 |
| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/824158 | 20:10 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 824158 in nautilus "Progress bar gets unvisible in gnome3" [Undecided,New] | 20:10 |
| dupondje | could somebody check this :) | 20:11 |
| seb128 | bah | 20:12 |
| seb128 | evolution just closed while I was writing an email | 20:12 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, oh, i thought it was a real crisis, like you ran out of beer ;) | 20:12 |
| seb128 | hum, beer | 20:13 |
| seb128 | yeah, I could use another of those :-) | 20:13 |
| cyphermox | seb128: evo crashed? | 20:44 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, it closed | 20:44 |
| cyphermox | ok | 20:44 |
| seb128 | but yeah, apport catched a segfault for it it seems | 20:44 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if I still have a gdb running somewhere | 20:45 |
| seb128 | I had to add a launcher running evolution in gdb after 3.1.4 to get it starting | 20:45 |
| seb128 | it segfault on start otherwise | 20:45 |
| cyphermox | dah | 20:46 |
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| RAOF | Mmm. Front wheel drive cars are much more fun to push out of mud than rear wheel drive cars. | 22:17 |
| RAOF | In related news... whoops, my driveway is really muddy. :) | 22:17 |
| TheMuso | Pushing anything out of mud is a chore. :) | 22:18 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Sounds like you've had lots of rain down there. | 22:19 |
| RAOF | It wasn't so bad. The golf's surprisingly light, and it wasn't stuck badly. | 22:20 |
| RAOF | TheMuso: Not really _that_ much rain, but it's been consistently drizzling, interspersed with actual rain, for a couple of weeks now. | 22:20 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 22:21 |
| AfC | RAOF: sorry I had to duck out the other day; did you decide that lifeless was right and that gir-1.2-json-1.0 needs to be rebuilt to fix the Conflicts: problem? | 22:22 |
| RAOF | AfC: I didn't end up deciding anything, but I believe seb and micahg have fixed that. | 22:23 |
| AfC | RAOF: ok, thanks; I'll wait for the upgrades to land in the Natty GNOME 3 PPA then | 22:24 |
| AfC | RAOF: Hm. There aren't any builds queued up. Do you know where there branches might be? I'm happy to test the package(s) directly. | 22:26 |
| RAOF | AfC: I don't know; perhaps they've not actually been fixed yet. | 22:35 |
| AfC | RAOF: no, appears not. Well, I'll test it someone wants me to, of course. | 22:38 |
| RAOF | AfC: This problem's only in the gnome3 PPA, right? | 22:46 |
| lifeless | AfC: for clarity, I didn't say that rebuilding gir-1.2-json-1.0 would fix anything | 22:46 |
| lifeless | AfC: I said that a virtual package (the provides line) could not be used to satisfy a versioned dependency | 22:46 |
| micahg | no, I'll fix the requisite bugs later tonight, the rdepends of the old binary need to be updated and the old binary removed | 22:47 |
| micahg | s/fix/file/ | 22:47 |
| lifeless | AfC: this means either the new library needs the *same package name as the old one*, or, the users of it need to be rebuilt. | 22:49 |
| micahg | well, the new one provides the old one | 22:49 |
| lifeless | micahg: doesn't matter, won't work. | 22:50 |
| micahg | sure it will, if the binary is removed | 22:50 |
| lifeless | no it won't | 22:50 |
| lifeless | versioned depends are not satisfied by virtual packages. | 22:51 |
| micahg | yes, if it's versioned it won't | 22:51 |
| lifeless | and the rdepends are versioned | 22:51 |
| micahg | ah, didn't know they were versioned, the ones I've run across weren't | 22:51 |
| lifeless | irssi-2011-08-08:22:32 #ubuntu-desktop: < AfC> lifeless: so, eg gnome-shell (not updated), Depends: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 (>= 0.12.0) | 22:52 |
| AfC | RAOF: yes, gnome3 PPA | 22:52 |
| micahg | I fixed gnome-shell in the archive before | 22:53 |
| AfC | [sorry, was eating breakfast] | 22:53 |
| lifeless | micahg: sure, I wasn't meaning to say you hadn't, just that there (A) are/were versioned deps in play, and (B) for those packages changing the library won't help :) | 22:53 |
| micahg | lifeless: right, which is why I think seb128 wanted the rdepends actually fixed (transitioned to the new binary) | 22:54 |
| AfC | micahg: if I remember lifeless correctly, a workaround would be to remove the Conflicts line from the new gir-1.2-json-1.0, telling it not to conflict on old gir-1.2-json-glib-1.0 | 22:54 |
| lifeless | makes sense to me | 22:54 |
| lifeless | AfC: nope, the conflicts thing is a distraction | 22:55 |
| lifeless | AfC: (it should be breaks, but it doesn't bear on why you had trouble) | 22:55 |
| lifeless | micahg: oh, while you're in the area - it should be breaks/replaces, no ? | 22:55 |
| AfC | micahg: [just fyi, my problem is that this is causing gnome-shell to be held back; if I do a dist-upgrade it wants to remove most of the GNOME stack and replace it with Compiz etc. A bit extreme :)] | 22:55 |
| micahg | lifeless: if it's versioned, yes | 22:55 |
| micahg | that change was made in Debian though | 22:56 |
| lifeless | heh, doesn't mean its right :) | 22:56 |
| AfC | Indeed :) | 22:56 |
| lifeless | still, I'll get out of your hair; I'm only commenting here cause AfC is a friend and was stuck | 22:56 |
| micahg | AfC: yeah, I haven't done much with the gnome3 PPA, but I suppose I could backport the gnome-shell from the archive after feature freeze (too much to do beforehand) | 22:56 |
| micahg | lifeless: indeed, I should file a bug :) | 22:57 |
| AfC | micahg: well this appears to have cropped up because someone updated the gnome3 package in the PPA | 22:57 |
| AfC | [which I'm all in favour of, of course :)] | 22:58 |
| micahg | AfC: well, if json-glib isn't in the GNOME3 PPA, then you'll have the problem of reverting all these fixes for the transition since natty's version has the old binary | 22:58 |
| * AfC looks | 22:59 | |
| AfC | gir1.2-json-1.0 in PPA | 22:59 |
| AfC | 0.13.4-2~natty1 | 22:59 |
| micahg | yep, so it's been backported, ok then | 22:59 |
| AfC | micahg: [which is what I can't install] | 23:00 |
| micahg | AfC: right, is the gnome-shell version in the PPA behind the archive version? | 23:01 |
| AfC | "archive version"? | 23:01 |
| AfC | new(?) gnome-shell depends gir1.2-json-1.0; lots of other things depend on old gir1.2-json-glib-1.0. | 23:04 |
| AfC | But new gir1.2-json-1.0 conflicts gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 [which lifeless tells us not to worry about, but] result of the dependency resolution is to uninstall epiphany, gnome-shell, etc. :/ | 23:05 |
| micahg | ah, ok, then it's just a matter of updating the other items | 23:05 |
| micahg | well, someone could create a transitional package in the PPA for gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 which would fix the issue | 23:06 |
| micahg | or wait until the rest are updated and backport | 23:06 |
| AfC | It's just weird that I've found myself backed into such a corner. Frustrating; either lots of people should be encountering this, or I've gone and done something wrong. But I don't think so. | 23:07 |
| AfC | I'd wait, but every dist-upgrade wants to hammer my system; as I'm surely getting closer to being unable to upgrade something important as a result I'm nervous is all. | 23:08 |
| AfC | micahg: so you suggest I create a dummy / empty package called gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 to satisfy the dependencies of the older packages [as a workaround]? | 23:09 |
| micahg | AfC: that would fix the issue depending on how urgent it is, you'd have to change the conflicts/replaces to a versioned breaks/replaces in json-glib | 23:10 |
| basso | lol | 23:11 |
| basso | gnome died again | 23:11 |
| basso | :( | 23:11 |
| basso | evil nvidia drivers! | 23:11 |
| dobey | AfC: shouldn't it Provides: it, if it replaces it? | 23:16 |
| lifeless | dobey: not in general | 23:17 |
| lifeless | dobey: you only need provides for virtual packages | 23:17 |
| lifeless | dobey: e.g. 'mta' or 'httpd' | 23:17 |
| lifeless | dobey: virtual packages are no help if there are versioned depends, but can be used (as a bit of a hack) to ease transitions *IFF* there are no versioned depends. | 23:18 |
| dobey | eh, isn't that basically what an empty binary package for transitioning is anyway? | 23:18 |
| dobey | oh, right | 23:18 |
| lifeless | thats why empty binary packages are used, in fact :) | 23:18 |
| dobey | i forgot apt/dpkg don't like verions with provides | 23:19 |
| dobey | :-/ | 23:20 |
| dobey | was that package renamed in debian or something? | 23:20 |
| dobey | or just in a PPA? | 23:20 |
| micahg | renamed in Debian and oneiric | 23:21 |
| dobey | ah ok | 23:21 |
| lifeless | dobey: versioned provides are different again :P but yes. | 23:21 |
| dobey | lifeless: yeah, one of my many frustrations with dpkg :) | 23:22 |
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