=== tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:10] jasoncwarner_, hi [07:10] pitti, hi [07:11] seb128, hi [07:11] hey there [07:11] hey tkamppeter [07:22] seb128: Hey there! How's the summit going? [07:23] hey RAOF, summit was nice, the conference part is over though, it's bofs and hacking now [07:23] Ah, cool. [07:24] seb128: Would you like me to disable the cairo-gl backend in cairo? When were you planning to do it? [07:24] seb128: did you get my email about gir-1.2-json-glib? [07:24] RAOF, did mterry ask you to add a symbols file to the shared lib of colord, for the MIR? [07:24] RAOF, I did that yesterday? [07:25] seb128: Ah, excellent. [07:25] micahg, yes but I was travelling and then forgot about it [07:25] seb128: k, well, if you get a chance, I'm happy to do the legwork either way [07:25] tkamppeter: It's already *got* a symbols file. Let me check the bug. [07:27] micahg, I guess I failed to see the issue [07:28] tkamppeter: There's no request on the MIR that I can see - just asking kees to do a security review. [07:28] micahg, the packages from the list you have just need a trivial update [07:28] seb128: yeah, they can either be updated or the old binary can be removed (since the new one provides the old one) [07:28] micahg, we can drop the real binary to let the provide work while they are being rebuilt though [07:29] micahg, both I would say [07:29] the binary should be dropped but the rdepends should be fixed for oneiric [07:29] ok, couchdb-glib is FTBFS at the moment due to the binary [07:30] seb128: so, if it's ok, later today, I'll file a bug for the packages that need to be fixed and one to drop the binary? [07:31] hi seb128, micahg, RAOF, etc... [07:32] hey rickspencer3 [07:32] bonjour rickspencer3 [07:32] hi rickspencer3 [07:32] FF tomorrow! stuff getting landed? [07:32] trying to :-) [07:32] dx stuff will land tomorrow :) [07:35] There may be a new -nouveau and -ati snapshot landing tomorrow. The rest of the stack has been released pleasantly early :) [07:37] good morning everyone [07:38] * TheMuso waves to the Europe folks has he works late to get a few things done before FF. :) [07:38] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [07:38] hey TheMuso [07:38] seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks [07:39] just watching the news though, very depressing! [07:39] how are you? [07:39] chrisccoulson: I hope you're away from the mayhem. [07:40] chrisccoulson, what's happening in the world? [07:40] chrisccoulson, I've not be following the news this week [07:40] TheMuso, yeah, we're a few miles away from the trouble in birmingham [07:40] seb128, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405 [07:41] Thats good to knokw. [07:41] know [07:43] RAOF, OK, then it seems to be all OK. [07:46] chrisccoulson, :-( [07:57] didrocks, morning [07:58] hey jibel [07:58] didrocks, unity-greeter.postinst calls lightdm-set-defaults to set the default greeter to unity but I cannot find this script on my system, where can I find it or how do I set the default greeter to unity ? [07:59] jibel: indeed, it's in lightdm trunk [07:59] jibel: will be uploaded today [07:59] jibel: normally, I test if it exists before, so shouldn't impact the users, isn't it? [07:59] jibel, what unity-greeter do you use? [07:59] didrocks, there is no impact, I'll wait for next upload. [08:00] oh ok [08:00] change from didrocks this night [08:00] seb128, the one in the archive, is there another one ? [08:00] jibel: you afraid me, ok uploading things at 3am isn't good, but still, I tested it :) [08:00] jibel, no, I'm just behind, sorry ;-) [08:01] seb128, np, I wanted to confirm bug 816152. [08:01] Launchpad bug 816152 in unity-greeter "Guest account is created/destroyed each time it is selected/deselected on the list" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/816152 [08:03] seb128, does latest cairo works around the leak with nvidia graphics driver ? [08:06] Good morning [08:10] jibel, yes [08:10] seb128, didrocks: does your unity session work after today's package updates? it's completely broken here, using unity 2d now [08:10] * didrocks tries some reboot, brb [08:10] pitti, guten tag [08:10] pitti: you're the second telling that, hence the reboot :) [08:10] pitti, I didn't upgrade,restart this morning yet [08:10] brb [08:10] seb128, thanks. [08:11] pitti, is the intel issue from yesterday fixed? I wanted to keep a working box [08:11] seb128: yes, that's fixed [08:11] ok great [08:11] just when you start the unity session, you just get a broken panel and nothing else [08:11] unity 2d works well enough to survive today [08:11] * jibel reboots with nvidia [08:11] brb [08:12] pitti, the panel is an unity one? is the dash working? [08:12] are you sure it's not an intel or driver issue? [08:13] seb128: I don't know -- it's just a grey panel with a nautilus menu [08:13] oh [08:13] so unity is not starting [08:13] it's appmenu [08:13] and you can't click or keypress [08:17] pitti, ok, didrocks knows what's wrong [08:17] it's due to his session renaming yesterday [08:17] he's on it [08:17] ah, cool [08:17] * pitti hugs did [08:18] * pitti hugs didrocks in absence [08:18] pitti, can you try to change /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session [08:18] if [ "x$DESKTOP_SESSION" = "xgnome" ]; then [08:18] change xgnome to xubuntu [08:19] done, but how do I switch users now? [08:19] I can't restart my session right now [08:20] pitti, d-feet? ;-) [08:20] pitti, system bug org.freedesktop.DisplayManager [08:20] on the .Seat interface [08:20] SwitchToGreeter [08:21] ah, thanks [08:22] ricotz, hey [08:22] that did the trick, thanks! [08:22] ricotz, seems like slangasek fixed your totem issue [08:22] pitti, excellent, thanks for confirming [08:27] I now have a letter icon with a plus in my panel which collects all notify-osd notifications, and I manually have to clean them every time [08:28] is that a new (mis)feature or something I accidentally installed? [08:34] pitti, seems like the second one [08:34] pitti, did you install any indicator? [08:34] yesterday, the qt one [08:35] oh [08:35] is that thing an indicator? [08:35] like can you go left right to it from the other indicators? [08:38] hm, apparently I can't [08:39] but that might also empathy, which now appeas in the panel again [08:39] * pitti closes that [08:39] right, still not an indicator [08:39] and it looks very ugly and old [08:39] ooooh [08:39] martin 4505 0.0 0.3 214792 14980 ? Sl 09:14 0:02 /usr/lib/notification-daemon/notification-daemon [08:39] seb128: I suppose we need to update the notify-osd dbus activation file for the renamed session [08:39] * pitti looks into this [08:41] $GDMSESSION is "ubuntu-2d" now [08:47] pitti, indeed [08:47] pitti, just to gnome->ubuntu in there [08:48] ImportError: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by /tmp/tmpbfM21V/usr/lib/libapt-pkg.so.4.11) [08:48] :-( [08:48] no retracers === asac_ is now known as asac [08:51] phew, back. no unity, no external monitor, lost my shortcuts, no fun :( [08:51] hum, no mvo [08:51] good morning [08:58] seb128: so "our" sessions are now "ubuntu" and "ubuntu-2d", right? [08:59] yes [08:59] seb128: no "unity" any more; and the GNOME upstream one will be called "gnome"? [08:59] i. e. there notify-osd should _not_ start? [08:59] seb128, hi, i will check totem later, thanks [08:59] pitti, correct [09:00] pitti, the upstream one are gnome and gnome-shell [09:02] pitti: sorry, with nux building, my laptop is slow as hell [09:03] pitti: so, the migration plan is: [09:03] - you can't execute anymore (for this release and LTS) the "gnome.desktop" session [09:03] you are transitionned to ubuntu.dekstop [09:03] desktop* [09:03] - gnome-shell.desktop launch the gnome-shell session [09:04] - gnome-fallback is the gnome-panel session with metacity [09:04] - gnome-classic is the gnome-panel + compiz (and eventually degrade to metacity) [09:06] (for post LTS gnome-shell will be renamed gnome.desktop) [09:07] didrocks, if you have the latest thunderbird now, you can change the message indicator to inbox-only mode [09:08] chrisccoulson: awesome! this is in the preferences? [09:08] Edit -> Preferences, and there is a checkbox in the "General" tab [09:08] "Only for messages in my Inbox folder" [09:09] Can anyone check if the battery indicator comes up in gnome-shell? Seems to be failing with latest stack [09:10] seb128, didrocks: notify-osd fix uploaded, FYI [09:11] pitti, danke [09:14] pitti: thanks :) [09:15] chrisccoulson: ok, will try this, thanks! [09:19] hm, weird; for a fresh test user the ubuntu session works now, but not for mine [09:19] anyway, later [09:20] does gtk-window-decorator keep crashing for anybody else? [09:21] micahg, do you call in to these meetings? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases/Firefox_6/Final_Signoffs [09:21] pitti, could be a .dmrc thing? [09:21] chrisccoulson: no, but I usually read the notes [09:21] chrisccoulson, no [09:21] micahg, ok, thanks [09:21] seb128: already wiped them [09:22] chrisccoulson: maybe I should? [09:22] seb128, it crashes a couple of times per hour here ;) [09:22] micahg, reading the notes is probably fine. i just don't know how long it takes them to write it up ;) [09:22] chrisccoulson: You're using gtk-window-decorator? Shouldn't it be unity-window-decorator? Try that [09:22] cdbs, it got reverted before a3 [09:23] and unity-window-decorator crashed just as much anyway [09:23] ah, makes sense [09:23] cdbs, bug 814091 [09:23] Launchpad bug 814091 in compiz "unity-window-decorator crashed with SIGSEGV in meta_draw_window_decoration()" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814091 [09:23] it's pretty much the same trace for gtk-window-decorator too [09:23] well, it crashes in the same function ;) [09:23] pitti: indeed, it works for a fresh test users with the other changes, that's where I've been trapped :) [09:25] cdbs, bug 766835 is the gtk-window-decorator crash [09:25] hmm [10:26] ha, this is cool - http://pr09studio.deviantart.com/art/Narwhal-meet-Ocelot-210649704 === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ === om26er__ is now known as om26er [10:32] chrisccoulson, how is the new gnome-keyring going btw? [10:32] seb128, oh, stefw was looking at my problem that last time we spoke, but i've not pinged him again recently [10:32] has he been in berlin this week? [10:33] i'm using the new gnome-keyring btw. it's just that i get certificate errors every time i open empathy atm ;) [10:34] chrisccoulson, he's still there I think [10:34] I talked to him yesterday [10:34] seb128, has he fixed it yet? ;) [10:34] chrisccoulson, no ;-) [10:35] seb128, do you think i should just upload? password storage seems to work fine [10:35] yes [10:35] ok, i'll do that shortly then [10:35] thanks [10:35] i'll make sure we have a bug targetted to track the regression though [10:35] better to not block on fixing a bug [10:35] or it will never land ;-) [10:35] heh [10:36] we will get the motivation to get it fixed once it's in :p [10:36] i should probably update p11-kit as well [10:37] jibel: about bug #820266, do you have it in g-c-c? [10:37] Launchpad bug 820266 in gnome-control-center "CTRL+ALT+T doesn't open a terminal anymore" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820266 [10:38] jibel: are you on the unity-2d session? [10:38] didrocks, yes, in keyboard shortcuts/launchers/Terminal the shortcut is set to disabled. [10:38] didrocks, yes 2d, unity doesn't start today. [10:39] jibel: ok, I have to recheck the integration with compiz then, I tried to achieve that a couple of weeks ago and g-c-c seems to not have the needded integration for compiz [10:39] jibel: I'll definitively have a newer check [10:40] didrocks, ok thanks [10:40] jibel: thanks to you, it was on my TODO tracking list before finale, nice to have a bug :) [11:00] hmm, can't get to this bug (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/804221), but others are fine [11:00] Ubuntu bug 804221 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:515: _XReply: Assertion `!dpy->xcb->reply_data' failed." [High,Confirmed] [11:00] ah no, timeout on others now also :( [11:01] is it me, because I've been having disconnections since yesterday, or does it happen for other people? [11:03] seb128: ping, is there some restriction on packages being MIRed after FF? [11:04] if so, then I'll rush the liboauth update today [11:04] cdbs, not really but there are some restriction on landing new versions or new features after the ff [11:04] seb128: This one won't be affected by FF anyway [11:05] cdbs, isn't it needed for a new libgdata serie? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|Starving [11:05] seb128: oh yeah [11:06] seb128: Would you do me a favour then, by sponsoring my Debian liboauth upload? [11:06] :) [11:06] no [11:06] alright [11:07] I'm at desktop summit still with only my laptop and no Debian install [11:07] hmm [11:07] sorry [11:08] no problem, I'll post on mentors with an [URGENT] tag or so [11:08] but should not be really hard to find a Debian sponsor though [11:08] you might want to tell cyphermox and get an upload to Ubuntu [11:08] we can sync later from Debian once it's uploaded there [11:08] okay [11:08] that would be better, 'coz I already have upload rights for Ubuntu [11:09] universe, to be specific [11:09] rodrigo_, timeout there as well [11:09] seb128, ok, not me then, good to know :) [11:09] rodrigo_, you can add +text to the url [11:09] that works [11:09] oh, ok [11:10] rodrigo_, it's likely having issue due to the duplicates [11:19] oh, the fix for bug 820485 was never committed to bzr [11:19] Launchpad bug 820485 in gnome-keyring "ubiquity stops installation at 'Configuring target system'" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820485 [11:19] good job i checked before uploading ;) [11:21] hey seb128 have you seen probs after todays updates with logging in? On the default Ubuntu session I get a menubar across the top for nautilus and nothing else, the 2d session works fine [11:24] even I had the same issue as pgraner, so logged into KDE instead :) [11:27] * pgraner has hit it on 3 different machines [11:49] ok, gnome-keyring uploaded now [11:49] just waiting on the p11-kit MIR [11:54] my desktop machine has the same as pgraner, where my laptop doesn't let me in at all, gnome-session fails with error 1 [11:57] hum, and looks like the update decided to turn sloppy focus off [12:07] * pitti gets his first complete GDBus server call implemented in Python and dances around happily [12:07] fun. if /var is full, you can't start _any_ session [12:07] not even the failsafe one [12:08] with lightdm [12:08] at least === MacSlow|Starving is now known as MacSlow [12:13] hi mvo [12:14] hey alex3f [12:14] running software-center-gtk3 from trunk gives me import error, no installedpaned [12:14] from what i see it was moved to unused_installedpaned [12:14] alex3f: uh, sorry, let me fix that [12:15] I have cleaned my .pyc's [12:15] alex3f: looks like I was a bit overly agressive [12:15] :D aggressive is good [12:17] fixed in r2065 [12:17] pgraner: another dist-upgrade fixed the session here [12:20] prolblem with poilcykit - help needed [12:21] mvo, thanks, if you have the time, look over minor changes in backend-refactor [12:22] tjaalton, thanks [12:23] mvo, how about this one (after merging with trunk): http://pastebin.com/Z16fWpUk [12:27] mvo, hi [12:27] hey zyga [12:27] mvo, +1 to merge that c-n-f patch? [12:30] alex3f: I think this bug is from the gtk3 branch churn, I check your branch next. how do you trigger the backtrace you just outlined? just starting it? [12:30] * rodrigo_ lunch [12:30] zyga: which one? the use_matcherFalse one? [12:30] zyga: that one +1 from me :) [12:30] yes [12:30] ok, thanks [12:31] mvo, will you use the new trunk for subsequent ubuntu releases? [12:32] zyga: I'm happy to, I can do a upload today if you want me to [12:32] great to have you back in c-n-f land :) [12:32] mvo, :-) [12:33] mvo, I just noticed that someone wants to help and I did my best to make that possible === asac_ is now known as asac [12:47] no seb128 today? [12:48] mvo: might still be at lunch [12:50] pitti: ok, I may have a present for him [12:51] mvo: you dropped the synaptics dep? [12:51] hey mvo pitti [12:51] yeah [12:51] well, not quite, but I'm close [12:51] mvo: summoning powers! [12:51] * pitti hugs mvo and seb128 [12:51] * mvo hugs pitti and seb128 [12:52] * seb128 hugs pitti and mvo [12:52] mvo, you ported update-notifier to aptdaemon? [12:53] seb128: almost, just doing the final testing [12:53] seb128: but should be ready RSN [12:53] \o/ [12:57] pitti, so apt is working on the retracer but python-apt is broken and I've nfc how to fix it [12:58] seb128: it crashes with this GLIBXX314 blabla? :-( [12:58] yes [12:58] simple python -c "import apt" has the same issue [12:58] darn; unfortunately this tells me nothing either [12:58] using apt-get works though [12:59] seb128: is this a natty or oneiric dchroot underneath? [12:59] natty [12:59] seb128: perhaps we need to run it in an oneiric dchroot now [12:59] let me try that... [12:59] we need a real vm like in kvm image for those [12:59] yeah [12:59] that would help a ton [13:01] hum [13:01] " File "/home/ubuntu-archive/apport-retracer-amd64/apport/apport/chroot.py", line 32, in setup_fakeroot_env [13:01] '%s not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly' % libfakechroot [13:01] AssertionError: /usr/lib/fakechroot/libfakechroot.so not found; please set APPORT_LIBFAKECHROOT correctly [13:01] " [13:01] when trying to apport-chroot in an oneiric chroot [13:01] cdbs: hey :) [13:01] hi cyphermox [13:02] cyphermox: 0.9.4-1ubuntu2 already in [13:02] seb128: try sudo apt-get install fakechroot? [13:02] cdbs: cool, thanks! [13:02] pitti, $ sudo apt-get install fakechroot [13:02] sudo: unknown uid: 1000 [13:03] seb128: you can only do that as seb128, not as ubuntu-archive [13:03] seb128: I installed it into the amd64 oneiric dchroot now [13:03] nothing to do [13:03] ok [13:03] let me retry the retracer [13:03] better [13:04] ok, works there [13:04] seb128: installed into oneiric-i386, too [13:04] pitti, thanks [13:04] I'm changed the cron job to use oneiric, I bet that will break natty retracing though [13:04] *shrug* [13:04] or maybe not, let's see [13:05] at worst we have to split the cronjob again [13:05] with some hackery for the chrtoomaps [13:06] but yes === m_conley` is now known as m_conley [13:12] jibel, the liveCD has no french langpacks, it's since before natty [13:12] jibel, is that what you mean in bug #820705? [13:12] Launchpad bug 820705 in Ubuntu Oneiric "live session indicators/unity not translated" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820705 [13:13] kenvandine: is there a plan for separate feeds again in the new gwibber I'm being asked? [13:13] zyga: uploaded, thanks again, the speedup number are really impressive! [13:14] seb128, oh you're right sorry. I'll try with german to be sure then close as won't fix. [13:14] davmor2, define feeds? [13:14] there are now, messages, replies, etc [13:14] do you mean by account? [13:14] mvo, there is another approach from another contributor, he proposed rewriting c-n-f from scratch with different database backend, I lost the bug number (this is another annoyance with launchpad) but his proof of concept code was even more impressive [13:14] jibel, german is not on the CD either [13:15] kenvandine: streams is the word I'm after and couldn't think of [13:15] jibel, try spanish [13:15] seb128, ok [13:15] davmor2, ok... well the new gwibber does that [13:15] mvo, would you object if I re-wrote setup.py with setuptools and had a look at debian packaging -- it seems overly complex [13:15] mvo: sorry, power outage here; yes, just by running ./s-c-gtk3 [13:16] kenvandine: it does, does it? is this a trunk version? [13:16] it has since i first uploaded it... [13:16] the buttons on top change streams [13:16] mvo, I'd like to split the debian packaging if possible, we could keep a branch with packaging (and perhaps the data file, but that could also be in another branch) and merge the tree while building [13:17] kenvandine: Yeah I think he means adding his own one per account etc [13:17] you mean multi-column? [13:18] or filtering, so you can see replies for just a single account? [13:18] mvo, complete output http://pastebin.com/szJMM5jV [13:20] davmor2, i want to bring back multi-column view, but we don't have a design for it [13:20] and since feature freeze is tomorrow, that isn't going to happen [13:21] kenvandine: I'm just checking with him [13:21] i have an idea for filtering by account [13:21] do you have twitter list support? [13:21] but on the fence on implementing it [13:21] Laney, well sort of... it isn't in the new UI :/ [13:21] zyga: sure, go ahead, a move to dh_python2/dh7 would be very welcome [13:21] :-) [13:21] gwibber does and it has all the data ;) [13:21] zyga: arch-build can go away too [13:22] i have a branch where i started trying to display it... but it made me decide we need to do some refactoring... [13:22] mvo, I'm not familiar with dh_python2 but perhaps that's the right time to learn, I do all our linaro/lava packaging with python-support as that is compatible back to 10.04 [13:22] which isn't likely to happen right now [13:23] isn't architecture fun? :P [13:23] yup :) [13:23] gwibber has so many variations of types of data to display [13:24] so the code ends up looking terrible trying to shift things around depending on the data type [13:24] i need to create different tile widgets [13:24] and change out the widget depending on the data [13:24] which will be a huge improvement... === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [13:27] E: Unable to write to /var/cache/apt/ [13:27] E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. [13:27] retracers! [13:28] mvo, ^ did you see similars errors before? [13:29] that's happening on an apt-get update using current oneiric in oneiric chroots aka retracers [13:29] seb128: and does that dir exists there? [13:29] yes [13:29] and its writable too [13:29] ? [13:29] and and do an echo test > /var/cache/apt/test works [13:30] and doing [13:30] hm, hm, do you have any special apt config there? [13:30] no [13:30] but could well be a fakechroot issue [13:30] wouldn't be the first time [13:31] we don't need xscreensaver-data and xscreensaver-gl on the CD unless we bring back the screensaver hacks, do we? [13:31] chrisccoulson, correct [13:31] which we will not do this cycle for sure [13:32] ok, we can drop those from the seed then :) [13:32] although, it's less than 1MB [13:32] \o/ [13:33] still a win [13:34] # dpkg -i strace_4.5.20-2.3ubuntu1_amd64.deb [13:34] dpkg: error: unable to access dpkg status area: No such file or directory [13:34] mvo, ^ it's not only apt :( [13:35] ok [13:36] it doesn't happen on the same fakechroot in a natty chroot [13:36] so it's something with fakechroot [13:36] pitti, ^ just for info [13:37] :( [13:39] seb128, what about screensaver-default-images? [13:40] i'm not sure if people actually use those images as backgrounds or not [13:43] pitti, hi [13:43] hello tkamppeter [13:44] pitti, where are you, can I come to you? [13:44] tkamppeter: in the GI hackfest room at floor 4 [13:44] pitti, I have a big problem, bug 821883 [13:44] Launchpad bug 821883 in argyll "[MIR] argyll" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821883 [13:46] tkamppeter: we do have libusb-1.0-0-dev [13:47] tkamppeter: the old libusb-dev is deprecated [13:49] pitti, can you tell me your room number? [13:50] tkamppeter: 403 [13:57] seb128: update-notifier uploaded [13:57] mvo, \o/ [14:06] yippie [14:08] w00t [14:08] so, does that finally drop synaptic off the CD? [14:08] I think so, even though I will shed a little tear or two [14:09] heh [14:12] pitti - want to merge this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/ubuntu-seeds/no-xscreensaver/revision/1892 ;) [14:13] chrisccoulson: ooh, CD space! [14:15] chrisccoulson: some 800 kB, yummy; merged, thanks! [14:15] pitti - excellent, thanks :) [14:23] pitti: are the apport retracers for oneiric running? [14:23] geser: I think seb128 just fought with them for a while [14:24] but seems they are currently broken on a weird combination of apt and fakechroot bug [14:24] ok :( === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:40] hmmm, i really need to update nspr/nss [14:40] just in case we need to flick the switch to use those in firefox/thunderbird ;) [14:41] i currently can't build them against the versions we have [14:59] brb [15:16] tjaalton, well the updates fixed that but now I can't log in at all lightdm just loops [15:17] tjaalton, even the 2d session does it one every box I have :( [15:20] pgraner: yeah my laptop does the same, don't dare logout from my desktop session :/ [15:20] does what? [15:20] can't log in [15:20] like? [15:21] session is empty, send you back to lightdm,gdm? hang? [15:21] it passes auth, and returns back to the login screen [15:21] same with both lightdm and gdm [15:21] remove .ICEauthority in your user dir [15:21] duh wait, forgot that in my case it was actually /var being full :P [15:21] if that's the same issue I was having this morning [15:29] seb128, yea removing .ICEauthority fixed it [15:29] pgraner, great [15:29] pgraner, seems similar to bug #823775 then [15:29] Launchpad bug 823775 in lightdm "Cannot login: could not update ICEauthority file .ICEauthority" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/823775 [15:30] seb128, yep, happened sometime yesterday after a bunch of updates [15:31] mterry, ^ do you think you could have a look to that? not sure if that's lightdm but it seems likely [15:31] I got the issue twice this yesterday [15:31] stalling .ICEauthority files breaking login [15:31] seb128, its bit me on 3 machines here today [15:31] seb128, yeah, I had that on my list to look into. Sounds bad though, I can look now [15:32] seb128, I haven't hit it. Did you do anything different? [15:32] no, just shutdown from the session indicator [15:32] and turn my laptop on this morning [15:32] mterry, ack on that same here for me [15:32] got a similar issue after a switch to vt and ctrl-alt-del yesterday [15:34] mterry, oh, I'm using the unity greeter since yesterday if that makes any difference [15:34] pgraner, you mean, you haven't seen it or you have and haven't done anything to deserver it? [15:34] but I don't think it's likely to be the greeter [15:35] mterry, I have hit the same thing on 3 boxes here since yesterdays updates [15:35] duh, now I got the "nautilus menu bar on top" on my laptop with current updates [15:35] mterry, I would randomly guess it's r1015 if I were to guess [15:36] tjaalton, when did that start? oh you mean you get no unity? did you get the compiz updates from today? [15:36] tjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today [15:36] seb128, that does seem related :) [15:36] Would like to be able to reproduce. I'll try a few more time [15:36] tjaalton, if no you need to ack your /etc/X11/Xsession.d/65compiz_profile-on-session and change xgnome to xubuntu [15:36] ack->hack [15:36] mterry, tjaalton, I hit that one randomly as well a few times yesterday and once today [15:36] mterry, ^ I think that was for you [15:36] ups [15:37] he replied to you before, ignore that ;-) [15:37] seb128: right, unity --replace does work, and it does have the current updates, compiz 0.9.5.0-0ubuntu3 [15:37] tjaalton, echo $GDMSESSION [15:38] ? [15:38] ups [15:38] echo $DESKTOP_SESSION [15:39] gnome.. [15:39] got it [15:39] weird [15:39] same in .dmrc [15:39] the new gnome-session uploaded yesterday should migrate gnome to unity [15:40] but it can't change ~/.dmrc? [15:40] why not? [15:40] or does it matter? [15:40] ah right, it's written to after login [15:41] tjaalton, do you use lightdm? [15:41] seb128: yes [15:42] tjaalton, ok, weird [15:43] seb128, ok, I can't log in now, so that's good. Where do you see the error though? I don't see anything about ICE in my /var/log [15:43] didrocks added a patch to lightdm that should rewrite the dmrc and replace gnome by ubuntu [15:43] mterry, I don't see the error in the bug [15:43] mterry, I just get a can't open display in .xsession-errors [15:43] seb128, I have the nautilus bar issue on screen right now on two boxes do you need anything from them for debugging? [15:43] mterry, which leaded me to check .ICEauthority and .Xauthority [15:43] seb128: when I choose my user from the greeter, the session pull-down menu is 'blank', so no session is preselected [15:44] tjaalton, can you open a bug with your .dmrc? [15:44] I see the same blank field as well [15:44] pgraner, ^ please add your .dmrc to the bug [15:44] seb128, ack [15:44] does selecting "ubuntu" fixes it? get the .dmrc first though [15:44] copied, trying [15:45] seb128, not for me, I tried that yesterday [15:45] yes, helped here [15:45] pgraner, right, there was a bug that didrocks fixed before lunch today [15:45] so there is a bug remaining which is the empty session selected [15:45] could be another lightdm issue for mterry ;-) [15:45] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/811805 << /me comes back with this bug [15:46] Ubuntu bug 811805 in metacity "GDM spawn a metacity process that is not terminated when a user login" [Undecided,New] [15:46] mterry, welcome on the lightdm board :p [15:46] related? [15:46] bigon, no, we are speaking lightdm, it doesn't run a wm [15:46] lightdm doesn't spaw a GNOME session [15:46] seb128, yeah, maybe my session not working was just me having the empty session... When I select Ubuntu it logs in [15:46] yeah it's looking the same after logout, and if I log in when it's empty, .dmrc shows gnome again [15:46] * bigon goes back in idle then [15:47] seb128, my .dmrc shows ubuntu [15:48] hum, now it loads unity despite .dmrc showing gnome.. [15:50] tjaalton, that's normal [15:50] gnome is unity [15:50] gnome-shell is "gnome-shell" [15:50] that's the transition didrocks started there [15:51] renaming our default session which historically was to ubuntu [15:53] tjaalton, did you say you use the unity greeter or the gtk one? [15:53] pgraner, ^ [15:53] seb128, how do I tell, its a default install with updates [15:53] gtk then [15:53] thanks [15:55] tjaalton, pgraner, mterry: ok, we figured the issue [15:56] the "no session is selected" one [15:56] it happens with didrocks migration for those who didn't have a .dmrc [15:56] pitti, ^ [15:56] it's likely your issue as well, need to pick "ubuntu" in the greeter session [15:56] seb128: I had that bug, too, but it still doesn't work when I explicitly select ubuntu [15:56] seb128, same here [15:56] pitti, you are update with the compiz 0ubuntu3 from lunch? [15:57] uptodate [15:57] seb128: is that more than just changing the Xsession.d file? [15:57] or hacked your etc session file? [15:57] no [15:57] if so, then no [15:57] hum [15:57] pitti, what session is in your user .dmrc? [15:57] we can look at it in the evening in the hotel [15:57] Session=ubuntu-2d [15:57] (which is what I selected to get something working) [15:57] ok, normal that's what you are using [15:57] yeah, let's check tonight [16:00] tjaalton, did you open the bug? [16:06] mterry, I have replaced the MIR for Argyll by a MIR for libicc-only now, bug 824032 [16:06] Launchpad bug 824032 in libicc "[MIR] libicc" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824032 [16:12] mterry, we are going to do a lightdm upload, is there any commit we should cherrypick? [16:12] the gdmflexiserver? [16:15] why is bzr commit not letting me edit the changelog entry it uses at commit since today? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|break [16:17] seb128: no I didn't do that yet, should I? My laptop installation is very old though, so I'm pretty sure it had a .dmrc since the beginning [16:18] tjaalton, no, that's fine, that was for changelog bug closing reference [16:18] if there was a bug to close [16:18] don't bother opening one ;-) [16:18] heh, ok [16:24] jasoncwarner_, hi [16:27] bbl [16:31] seb128, sorry, was at lunch. Yeah, gdmflexiserver is a good one [16:31] ok [16:31] mterry, doing that [16:49] * pitti waves good night [17:15] mvo: hey, small quick question if you are around, do you mind if you/I set now a recommends on oneconf? (to get that done before FF) [17:17] didrocks: done [17:18] * mvo waves good night before didrocks gets more ideas ;) [17:18] mvo come back! :-) [17:28] seb128, the /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm fix should have happened already. That was due to some buildsystem package setting libexecdir to a duplicated directory. I believe I saw a fix go by for that in oneiric. If you rebuild the package, do you see the dup directory? [17:29] mterry, yes [17:29] mterry, ./usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm/gdmflexiserver [17:29] seb128, hrm. Well, I'm loathe to say it's a bug in lightdm, since that's the PKGLIBEXEC that configure gives [17:30] on the current packaging vcs which has your commit [17:30] seb128: Do I need to pull a new lightdm from somewhere? 0.9.3-0ubuntu1 still gives me two xubuntu sessions. [17:31] charlie-tca, no, I though robert_ancell said it was supposed to fixed [17:31] or maybe it was with the unity greeter [17:32] will check with him when he's back [17:32] Thanks, will update the bug [17:32] mterry, [17:32] Makefile:pkglibexecdir = $(libexecdir)/lightdm [17:32] Makefile:libexecdir = ${prefix}/lib/lightdm [17:33] that seems buggy indeed [17:33] seb128, that's because Ubuntu differs from most systems for libexecdir. Most don't add the package name. The package change I thought I saw go by dropped that delta [17:33] But I guess I was misreading [17:35] mterry, right, usually our libexecdir is /usr/lib/ [17:35] mterry, but I'm not sure what pkglibexecdir is [17:35] usually things just install to libexecdir [17:35] jasoncwarner_, hi [17:35] seb128, my understanding (and I've not been on a non-Ubuntu system for a while) is that on non-Ubuntu systems, libexecdir is /usr/lib and pkglibexecdir is /usr/lib/ [17:36] seb128: be down in a minute [17:36] jasoncwarner_, ok [17:36] seb128, so pkglibexecdir would be the correct place to install utility binaries normally, which is why I chose it [17:36] mterry, hum [17:37] seb128, but again, I'd have to grab a Fedora system or something to confirm my memory [17:37] mterry, asking to vuntz [17:38] he's sitting next to me [17:38] mterry, ok, you are right [17:39] seb128, I'm not sure why we do that, except maybe to avoid collisions [17:39] mterry, yeah, it's coming from Debian [17:47] re [17:47] mterry, seems the path hack is still not working [17:47] mterry, but don't worry about it, not a priority [17:48] seb128, darn it? you mean it's still not in PATH? [17:49] mterry, $ strings /proc/$(pidof gnome-session)/environ | grep ^PATH= [17:49] PATH=/home/seb128/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games [17:49] mterry, seems on a command line [17:49] same [17:49] seb128, I tested it, and got it here... Hm [17:49] ok, need to go for dinner, will check out later, don't worry about it [17:49] I'll add it back on my TODO list [17:49] thanks [17:55] how do i get my clock back in the top panel? [17:57] kirkland, in Unity? [17:57] mterry: yeah [17:57] mterry: it disappeared yesterday with updates [17:58] kirkland, shouldn't have done that. there is a preference for it, but not sure why it would change on you. Make sure you have clock set to visible in Time & Date preferences in control center [17:59] mterry: hmm, can't launch the system settings application either === bryceh_ is now known as bryceh === MacSlow|break is now known as MacSlow [20:02] good evening desktopers [20:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/824158 [20:10] Ubuntu bug 824158 in nautilus "Progress bar gets unvisible in gnome3" [Undecided,New] [20:11] could somebody check this :) [20:12] bah [20:12] evolution just closed while I was writing an email [20:12] seb128, oh, i thought it was a real crisis, like you ran out of beer ;) [20:13] hum, beer [20:13] yeah, I could use another of those :-) [20:44] seb128: evo crashed? [20:44] cyphermox, it closed [20:44] ok [20:44] but yeah, apport catched a segfault for it it seems [20:45] I'm wondering if I still have a gdb running somewhere [20:45] I had to add a launcher running evolution in gdb after 3.1.4 to get it starting [20:45] it segfault on start otherwise [20:46] dah === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [22:17] Mmm. Front wheel drive cars are much more fun to push out of mud than rear wheel drive cars. [22:17] In related news... whoops, my driveway is really muddy. :) [22:18] Pushing anything out of mud is a chore. :) [22:19] RAOF: Sounds like you've had lots of rain down there. [22:20] It wasn't so bad. The golf's surprisingly light, and it wasn't stuck badly. [22:20] TheMuso: Not really _that_ much rain, but it's been consistently drizzling, interspersed with actual rain, for a couple of weeks now. [22:21] Right. [22:22] RAOF: sorry I had to duck out the other day; did you decide that lifeless was right and that gir-1.2-json-1.0 needs to be rebuilt to fix the Conflicts: problem? [22:23] AfC: I didn't end up deciding anything, but I believe seb and micahg have fixed that. [22:24] RAOF: ok, thanks; I'll wait for the upgrades to land in the Natty GNOME 3 PPA then [22:26] RAOF: Hm. There aren't any builds queued up. Do you know where there branches might be? I'm happy to test the package(s) directly. [22:35] AfC: I don't know; perhaps they've not actually been fixed yet. [22:38] RAOF: no, appears not. Well, I'll test it someone wants me to, of course. [22:46] AfC: This problem's only in the gnome3 PPA, right? [22:46] AfC: for clarity, I didn't say that rebuilding gir-1.2-json-1.0 would fix anything [22:46] AfC: I said that a virtual package (the provides line) could not be used to satisfy a versioned dependency [22:47] no, I'll fix the requisite bugs later tonight, the rdepends of the old binary need to be updated and the old binary removed [22:47] s/fix/file/ [22:49] AfC: this means either the new library needs the *same package name as the old one*, or, the users of it need to be rebuilt. [22:49] well, the new one provides the old one [22:50] micahg: doesn't matter, won't work. [22:50] sure it will, if the binary is removed [22:50] no it won't [22:51] versioned depends are not satisfied by virtual packages. [22:51] yes, if it's versioned it won't [22:51] and the rdepends are versioned [22:51] ah, didn't know they were versioned, the ones I've run across weren't [22:52] irssi-2011-08-08:22:32 #ubuntu-desktop: < AfC> lifeless: so, eg gnome-shell (not updated), Depends: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 (>= 0.12.0) [22:52] RAOF: yes, gnome3 PPA [22:53] I fixed gnome-shell in the archive before [22:53] [sorry, was eating breakfast] [22:53] micahg: sure, I wasn't meaning to say you hadn't, just that there (A) are/were versioned deps in play, and (B) for those packages changing the library won't help :) [22:54] lifeless: right, which is why I think seb128 wanted the rdepends actually fixed (transitioned to the new binary) [22:54] micahg: if I remember lifeless correctly, a workaround would be to remove the Conflicts line from the new gir-1.2-json-1.0, telling it not to conflict on old gir-1.2-json-glib-1.0 [22:54] makes sense to me [22:55] AfC: nope, the conflicts thing is a distraction [22:55] AfC: (it should be breaks, but it doesn't bear on why you had trouble) [22:55] micahg: oh, while you're in the area - it should be breaks/replaces, no ? [22:55] micahg: [just fyi, my problem is that this is causing gnome-shell to be held back; if I do a dist-upgrade it wants to remove most of the GNOME stack and replace it with Compiz etc. A bit extreme :)] [22:55] lifeless: if it's versioned, yes [22:56] that change was made in Debian though [22:56] heh, doesn't mean its right :) [22:56] Indeed :) [22:56] still, I'll get out of your hair; I'm only commenting here cause AfC is a friend and was stuck [22:56] AfC: yeah, I haven't done much with the gnome3 PPA, but I suppose I could backport the gnome-shell from the archive after feature freeze (too much to do beforehand) [22:57] lifeless: indeed, I should file a bug :) [22:57] micahg: well this appears to have cropped up because someone updated the gnome3 package in the PPA [22:58] [which I'm all in favour of, of course :)] [22:58] AfC: well, if json-glib isn't in the GNOME3 PPA, then you'll have the problem of reverting all these fixes for the transition since natty's version has the old binary [22:59] * AfC looks [22:59] gir1.2-json-1.0 in PPA [22:59] 0.13.4-2~natty1 [22:59] yep, so it's been backported, ok then [23:00] micahg: [which is what I can't install] [23:01] AfC: right, is the gnome-shell version in the PPA behind the archive version? [23:01] "archive version"? [23:04] new(?) gnome-shell depends gir1.2-json-1.0; lots of other things depend on old gir1.2-json-glib-1.0. [23:05] But new gir1.2-json-1.0 conflicts gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 [which lifeless tells us not to worry about, but] result of the dependency resolution is to uninstall epiphany, gnome-shell, etc. :/ [23:05] ah, ok, then it's just a matter of updating the other items [23:06] well, someone could create a transitional package in the PPA for gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 which would fix the issue [23:06] or wait until the rest are updated and backport [23:07] It's just weird that I've found myself backed into such a corner. Frustrating; either lots of people should be encountering this, or I've gone and done something wrong. But I don't think so. [23:08] I'd wait, but every dist-upgrade wants to hammer my system; as I'm surely getting closer to being unable to upgrade something important as a result I'm nervous is all. [23:09] micahg: so you suggest I create a dummy / empty package called gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 to satisfy the dependencies of the older packages [as a workaround]? [23:10] AfC: that would fix the issue depending on how urgent it is, you'd have to change the conflicts/replaces to a versioned breaks/replaces in json-glib [23:11] lol [23:11] gnome died again [23:11] :( [23:11] evil nvidia drivers! [23:16] AfC: shouldn't it Provides: it, if it replaces it? [23:17] dobey: not in general [23:17] dobey: you only need provides for virtual packages [23:17] dobey: e.g. 'mta' or 'httpd' [23:18] dobey: virtual packages are no help if there are versioned depends, but can be used (as a bit of a hack) to ease transitions *IFF* there are no versioned depends. [23:18] eh, isn't that basically what an empty binary package for transitioning is anyway? [23:18] oh, right [23:18] thats why empty binary packages are used, in fact :) [23:19] i forgot apt/dpkg don't like verions with provides [23:20] :-/ [23:20] was that package renamed in debian or something? [23:20] or just in a PPA? [23:21] renamed in Debian and oneiric [23:21] ah ok [23:21] dobey: versioned provides are different again :P but yes. [23:22] lifeless: yeah, one of my many frustrations with dpkg :)