[00:02] <nhaines> akk: representative bucket hat http://www.amazon.com/Pigment-Dyed-Bucket-Hat-Khaki-W12S43E/dp/B000FGYXUM
[00:04] <akk> Ah! Those are more fun than baseball caps (though less effective at shading eyes from sun). And good as rainhats too.
[00:04] <nhaines> Yup!  :)  Great for hiking.
[00:05] <akk> And easy to stow, crumple away in a backpack, etc.
[00:07] <nhaines> And usually a nice drawstring chin strap in case it's very windy!
[00:33]  * bkerensa pings jatatum
[00:52] <pleia2> netflix on chromebook \o/
[00:53] <akk> netflix streaming?
[00:53] <pleia2> yep
[00:53] <akk> Whoa -- how do they do that?
[00:54] <akk> Thought it required a windows/mac binary app to do the DRM?
[00:54] <pleia2> apparently it's not all silverlight anymore :)
[00:54] <pleia2> there have been development checkins for a netflix plugin in ChromeOS for a couple of months now, so we knew it was coming
[00:55] <akk> Any idea how it works, and whether it will be available for Linux too?
[00:55] <pleia2> bkerensa spoke with some netflix guys at OSCON who said they were seriously working on something for linux
[00:55] <akk> (not that it affects me personally -- we've been celebrating the netflix price break for dvd-only)
[00:56] <pleia2> http://benjaminkerensa.com/netflix-instant-is-coming-to-the-entire-linux
[00:56] <akk> Cool!
[00:56] <akk> I'm glad to know it even though we're happy with dvd-only.
[01:02] <bkerensa> Im not the only one who was there when the netflix engineers said it
[01:02] <pleia2> it's silly how excited I am about this :) I've been snuggling around my phone to watch tv before bed
[01:02] <bkerensa> thefinn93 was at the ubuntu booth too but I think he only heard bits and pieces
[01:02] <pleia2> bkerensa: yeah, but you're the only one who is in this channel right now :)
[01:03] <bkerensa> Yeah
[01:03] <bkerensa> only because I'm a native californian
[01:03] <bkerensa> :P
[01:03] <bkerensa> pleia2: Groklaw, TechRepublic (cnet) and like six other people linked to that Netflix post not sure why its such a big deal
[01:03] <bkerensa> :P
[01:04] <bkerensa> I will still use my Xbox even when it does come
[01:04] <pleia2> it's been a sore point for a lot of folks switching to Ubuntu
[01:04] <pleia2> mostly I watch on our TV (it has a netflix app)
[01:05] <bkerensa> Nice
[01:05] <philipballew> roku is not a bad option
[01:05] <bkerensa> ehh
[01:05] <bkerensa> :P
[01:05] <bkerensa> Roku = Donkey
[01:05] <philipballew> haha. maybe
[01:05] <bkerensa> I set Roku's up for people all the time... So sad how tech illiterate people are... I charge $25 just to plug a roku in
[01:05] <bkerensa> :)
[01:06] <bkerensa> Roku imho is bloatware and their netflix interface is not as nice as XBL
[01:06] <pleia2> yeah, I pay someone $25 to change the oil in my car
[01:07] <bkerensa> I can't do that either
[01:07] <bkerensa> then again I prefer public transit
[01:07] <bkerensa> :D
[01:07]  * philipballew can, but lacks a car
[01:08] <philipballew> public transit is nice. I got to sf from east of sac for 12 dollars
[01:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Just fyi Dreamhost will give sponsored hosting to Loco's
[01:08] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool
[01:08] <philipballew> dreamhost gives free hosting to non-profits
[01:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: Their community manager is a cool guy and said he loves ubuntu so he will waive the 501(c)(3) requirement
[01:08] <pleia2> we had a really hard time getting hosting for our non-profit from them, but we got it eventually
[01:08] <bkerensa> philipballew: correct
[01:08] <bkerensa> :D
[01:08] <bkerensa> lol
[01:08] <bkerensa> really?
[01:09] <pleia2> yeah, we're not all famous and connected so we don't get special favors ;)
[01:09] <bkerensa> psh... You have better connections then me
[01:09] <philipballew> the church I go to used them... then someone convinced them go daddy is the way. but I really like dreamhost
[01:09] <pleia2> right now ubuntu-california.org is running on a linode donated to ubuntu pennsylvania
[01:09] <bkerensa> If I could move back to Cali I would in a second
[01:09] <pleia2> (ubuntu-us.org runs there too)
[01:10] <bkerensa> Oregon is pretty dry when it comes to tech and such
[01:10] <pleia2> I dunno, I think california is just exceptionally tech heavy
[01:10] <pleia2> oregon is probably normal :)
[01:10] <bkerensa> Quote : Hi support folks,
[01:10] <bkerensa> Can you setup Benjamin for a DH non profit account? He isn't a 501-c3 but we're giving him one anyway because we love Oregon and Ubuntu rocks!
[01:10] <bkerensa> You can jabber me or email me if you need more info.
[01:10] <bkerensa> Thanks guys.
[01:10] <pleia2> hah, nice
[01:10] <philipballew> what happened to servers in your basement and local websites!
[01:11] <pleia2> lol
[01:11] <bkerensa> philipballew: The problem would be bandwidth prices going up in U.S. versus down
[01:11] <pleia2> residentially
[01:11] <philipballew> yeah. att god mad at me for hosting a server in my house
[01:11] <philipballew> *got
[01:12] <pleia2> it breaks the TOS for most residential lines
[01:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah Linode is cool... I have a box with them but at OSCON I got a golden ticket in a chocolate bar that gave me any MediaTemple dV-server for a year for free
[01:12] <philipballew> philipballew.com is now down...
[01:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: mediatemple had a killer outage on sunday :(
[01:12] <pleia2> (fortunately I wasn't on call!)
[01:12] <bkerensa> I'm unsure if they thought through the fact that their largest Dv for a year is $15k
[01:12] <bkerensa> :P
[01:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: Linode had a outage at fremont the other day
[01:13] <pleia2> aha, but did you think through the pain of migrating off a $15k/yr box? :)
[01:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: I would never use all the space so I would have likely just shrinked it down :)
[01:13] <pleia2> hehe
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: I decided to take their 1GB dv anyways but I did test the coupon on their largest and it worked :P
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: You work for MT or one of their DC's?
[01:14] <pleia2> the linode folks are in jersey so I've known them for a long time, and I'm bias :)
[01:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know psandin?
[01:14] <pleia2> bkerensa: neither, the compay I work for has a client who has a couple servers over there
[01:14] <pleia2> I don't think so
[01:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: He is one of their support guys that was at OSCON... Apparently he is even from Oregon originally :) I got him uber tipsy and filmed him at the carnival
[01:15] <bkerensa> :P
[01:15] <pleia2> cool :)
[01:15]  * bkerensa just remembered channel is logged
[01:15]  * bkerensa whistles
[01:15] <pleia2> lol
[01:16] <akk> I thought Portland was very tech- and linux-heavy ... probably not the rest of Oregon, though.
[01:16] <bkerensa> Linode is good people though... and they gave out $25 credits too... So I just spun down my Linode temporarily till the MT runs out
[01:17] <bkerensa> akk: Portland is very.... Weird.... People use Ubuntu like crazy here but I don't think they know what Terminal is
[01:17] <bkerensa> akk: I would say Oregon has more Ubuntu users then any other state hands down
[01:17] <akk> Well, ubuntu does sort of try to hide things like terminals and cmdlines, and pretend they don't need them. :)
[01:18] <bkerensa> akk: FreeGeek.org gives out hundreds of Ubuntu computers every month so the state is saturated with Ubuntu :P
[01:18] <akk> Nice!
[01:19] <grantbow> accrc.org aka. mcrc.org gives out quite a few each month. Not sure of the numbers.
[01:19] <grantbow> in the bay area
[01:19] <bkerensa> grantbow: Cool.... and Partimus does Fedora right?
[01:20] <philipballew> akk linus lives near portland area I think
[01:20] <grantbow> Ubuntu LTS with some Fedora running Sugar that we are starting to work with.
[01:21] <pleia2> fedora would be too tricky to support for the core systems, we need a stable stopping point that's upgradable and the LTS releases work well for that
[01:21] <bkerensa> philipballew: Yeah he lives in Beaverton I think but I imagine he doesnt like Ubuntu
[01:21] <bkerensa> :)
[01:22] <akk> I haven't even heard lately what distro Linus is using.
[01:22] <pleia2> but we do know that he's using xfce ;)
[01:22] <akk> Or hardware -- a while back he was using mostly Macs, but I think I heard otherwise recently.
[01:23] <akk> Yeah, I did hear about the XFCE thing. :)
[01:23] <philipballew> bkerensa, he has said that he likes the "easy to install systems" because he doesnt want to have to mess with configuring the system and he can just get right down to kernal development
[01:23] <philipballew> i heard fedora a while back
[01:23] <akk> It used to be fedora years ago, but dunno if that's still true. He does try new things and switch around sometimes.
[01:23] <bkerensa> philipballew: Yeah but I read somewhere recently he was criticizing the Gnome3 look and Unity is not to many steps away
[01:24] <philipballew> he hates gnome 3 I hear
[01:24] <akk> Yeah, though it's not so much the look, it's the lack of functionality.
[01:24] <philipballew> he used to be a kde user, then now xfce i think
[01:24] <pleia2> he switched to xfce from gnome
[01:24] <bkerensa> http://www.technewsworld.com/story/73026.html
[01:24] <pleia2> gnome3 is "an unholy mess"
[01:24] <bkerensa> based on that I think Linus would probably hate Unity just as much
[01:25] <bkerensa> and I don't blame him
[01:25] <akk> He was on KDE for a while because he was unhappy with gnome ... I think that was early in gnome2. Then after a few years, switched back to gnome (I wasn't clear why).
[01:25] <philipballew> I wonder if the average ubuntu user likes it
[01:25] <bkerensa> idk
[01:25] <akk> Unity is a bit more functional than gnome3.
[01:25]  * bkerensa thinks there should be a consensus for such drastic changes as moving to unity but oh well
[01:25] <pleia2> gnome3 and unity are young and a major diversion from the norm, everyone is going to hate them until they get mature :)
[01:26] <akk> Still missing a bunch of stuff and/or making things hard to access/discover.
[01:26] <bkerensa> akk: Indeed but it has the menu system Linus talks about disliking
[01:26] <philipballew> its hard to tell if the person, not involved in community, probably duel booting likes it as asking them is hard
[01:26] <pleia2> bkerensa: it was either that or gnome3, which is just as crazy change-wise as unity, can't support gnome2 forever :(
[01:26] <bkerensa> pleia2: gnome2 could be pushed or even made a little more crayola crayonish
[01:27]  * bkerensa is not for all this integrated sidebar stuff
[01:27] <bkerensa> its distracting and wastes system resources
[01:27] <bkerensa> :P
[01:27] <pleia2> I don't love the idea of sticking to old, unsupported stuff just because it's familiar
[01:27] <pleia2> heh yeah, well I use xfce
[01:27] <akk> I hate how everybody thinks they have to go all playskool just because Microsoft did it with Win XP.
[01:27]  * philipballew wants to have a easier time moving his unity interface around
[01:27] <bkerensa> I prefer efficient versus familiar
[01:27] <bkerensa> akk: +1 to you
[01:27] <akk> Great big buttons are okay if you're on a touchscreen, but unity doesn't really work for touchscreens yet anyway.
[01:28] <pleia2> bkerensa: fortunately there are lots of options in linux!
[01:28] <akk> They're awful if you're on a netbook or other low-res screen with a mouse.
[01:28] <pleia2> if you want efficient, you can have efficient :)
[01:28] <bkerensa> pleia2: Yeah but everyone will move eventually
[01:28] <bkerensa> other distros will follow suit
[01:28] <akk> I prefer efficient, but that means every new ubuntu release, I have to spend a bunch of time seeking out and killing all the new inefficiencies.
[01:29] <akk> (Fortunately not for the desktop, my nice openbox setup doesn't have to change)
[01:29]  * bkerensa will probably stay on Natty on laptop and just upgrade kernel and everything myself
[01:30] <philipballew> ill probably give 11.10 a try. i think unity has potental to get better
[01:33] <pleia2> yeah, unity will be much better in 11.10
[01:34]  * pleia2 cleans up messy desk
[01:37] <philipballew> I run xubuntu on 2v desktops, but unity on the laptop. there goal is still perfection by 12.04
[01:38]  * philipballew remembers watching the uds keynote few years back about that
[01:39] <philipballew> DarkwingDuck, hey! did you get the flayer a few days ago?
[03:31]  * bkerensa pokes MarkDude
[03:35] <pleia2> MarkDude: green light on A's game Monday :)
[03:52] <MarkDude> Cool pleia2
[03:52] <MarkDude> Good to go
[03:56] <pleia2> :)
[04:11] <bkerensa> I love this longest Google+ hangout ever
[04:11] <bkerensa> anyone else join this yet :)
[04:15] <crashsystems> Anyone in this room have a CR-48 or another device running Chrome OS?
[04:16] <crashsystems> I'm looking for someone to grab the .so plugin file for the new Netflix Chrome OS plugin so I can see if it will work in Ubuntu.
[04:42] <bkerensa> crashsystems: It will not... One of Ubuntu Oregon members has one and sent me the plugin
[04:42] <bkerensa> :)
[04:43] <bkerensa> you can get so far as Netflix.com but then the site checks your useragent
[04:43] <crashsystems> :(
[04:43] <crashsystems> well, what about spoofing the user agent?
[04:44] <bkerensa> I dont think there is a chrome extension to do it yet
[04:45] <bkerensa> honestly I dont think its gonna work
[04:45] <bkerensa> lots of people have tried but I can send you the .so
[04:45] <crashsystems> that would be great, thanks
[04:47] <bkerensa> got a e-mail
[04:48] <bkerensa> I can e-mail it to you
[04:48] <crashsystems> mind if I pm it to you?
[04:48] <bkerensa> sure go ahead
[04:51] <crashsystems> thanks bkerensa. Btw did this come off a CR-48 or the Samsung Chromebook?
[04:51] <bkerensa> CR-48
[04:52] <crashsystems> and is netflixplugin.so the original filename?
[04:53] <bkerensa> yes
[04:53] <bkerensa> you need to do: google-chrome -d --register-pepper-plugins="/opt/google/chrome/netflixplugin.so;application/x-ppapi-netflix"
[04:55] <crashsystems> hmm, thats 32bit and I'm on a 64bit os...
[05:35] <bkerensa> :P Damn looters in UK probably looted the canonical package carrying my ubuntu tshirt
[05:35] <bkerensa> :P
[05:35]  * bkerensa shakes fist
[16:15] <bkerensa> so many people in the bay still use DSL
[16:15] <bkerensa> =o
[16:20] <akk> We use DSL because we run a server.
[16:22] <akk> I think that's the most common reason ... though when we set this up (long ago) cable wasn't even an option.
[16:57] <bkerensa> When I lived in San Fran I had DSL but I dont think I could ever go back to DSL now
[16:57] <bkerensa> I can't do less then 15Mbit/5Mbit
[16:59] <akk> I don't actually do that much high-bandwidth stuff anyway. Don't stream movies because I'd rather watch movies in the living room on the comfy sofa.
[17:09] <bkerensa> akk: I stream but watch it in the comfort of my big pillow top bed :)
[17:09] <bkerensa> Xbox Live
[17:09] <bkerensa> :D
[17:10] <akk> yeah, I don't care enough about streaming to buy new hardware for it and string that much ethernet cable (or a wifi repeater or something).
[17:11] <bkerensa> I think if I combine my Netflix + Spotify/LastFM + Normal DL's = Tons of bandwidth consumption
[17:12] <bkerensa> I have been going over 250GB for months now... Utterly surprised Comcast has not nuked me but I'm switching to Comcast Business Class soon I think
[17:22] <jyo> pleia2: Just read your Partimus post. So how many LUGs are in the Bay Area again?
[17:22] <pleia2> jyo: like a hundred thousand
[17:22] <pleia2> http://linuxmafia.com/bale/
[17:53] <bkerensa> Jono is about to do his Q+A
[18:45] <bkerensa> pleia2: Will you be at OSCON next year?
[18:46] <pleia2> bkerensa: doubtful
[18:47] <bkerensa> :(
[18:48] <pleia2> it's very expensive and I have limited time off next year (big vacation planned in january or february, wedding, honeymoon...)
[18:49] <bkerensa> oh cool
[18:49] <bkerensa> :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> Well I will have to come to a Ubuntu CA event next time I'm down
[18:50] <bkerensa> :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> I still have friends and family down there :P
[18:52] <pleia2> great :)
[22:18] <nhaines> Shiny oneiric greeter screen is shiny.
[22:41] <iheartubuntu> i think i solved my neighbors computer problem. i think it was overheating. the intake holes were all covered with lint. the rest of the inside didnt really look that dirty.
[22:41] <iheartubuntu> i also ran memtests on all 4 mem sticks
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> no errors on the newer 1GB chips, and there were two 256mb chips with one showing a couple of errors. usually its a bunch if there is an error
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> so i took out the two small chips
[22:42] <iheartubuntu> and ran a 5 hr memtest on the 2GBs and all was fine
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> the hard drive was running hot at all times. maybe the heat inside the case had something to with the hard drive problems.
[22:43] <iheartubuntu> i had trouble writing to zeros
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> an ubuntu disk would no longer even see the drive. ultimate boot disc saw it every once in a while
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> anyhow... i ordered a new drive and i thin kthats the prob
[22:44] <iheartubuntu> right now i have ubuntu installed on a 4GB drive :) only 1.6GB left but it runs just fine
[22:45] <iheartubuntu> the neighbor only uses the comp for accessing email and facebook, so that 4GB might even work out, but he wanted 160GB because it sounds impressive. only $25 on pricewatch.com so its all good
[22:48] <akk> Wow, $25 for 160G.
[22:48] <akk> And yeah, you can run ubuntu fine on 4Gb if you're not much of a pack-rat and know how to clean up, but you can be a lot lazier with 160.
[22:49] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: what version of ubuntu?
[22:49] <iheartubuntu> 10.10
[22:49] <pleia2> ah, as of 11.04 Ubiquity won't install on less than 4.4
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> he said "dont touch anything. i dont want it to look different. i want my BIG mail icon in the center where you put it"
[22:50] <pleia2> (learned this the hard way - Xubuntu uses Ubiquity and had this hard-coded limit too, which is not good since Xubuntu is much smaller)
[22:50] <pleia2> hah
[22:50] <iheartubuntu> for a 36 oz cold mug of the beer of my choice, i'll do whatever he wants
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> (computer related)
[22:51] <pleia2> lol
[22:51] <pleia2> clarification++
[22:51] <iheartubuntu> just to be clear :)
[22:51] <nhaines> Don't put the bad chips back in!
[22:52] <pleia2> yeah, the extra 512M won't matter much anyway
[22:52] <iheartubuntu> no no. he gets them. its only 512mb anyways
[22:52] <nhaines> Also treat the failed drive as bad and only use it again to copy data off of it, then RMA it.
[22:52] <akk> Ubiquity is the live CD installer?
[22:52] <nhaines> akk: yes.
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> the guy is hooked on ubuntu tho. his wife has endless problems with her vista laptop. he keeps telling her she needs ubuntu. she is for it, but wants to sit down and have me explain it to her
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> RMA?
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> return?
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> its a barracuda drive
[22:53] <iheartubuntu> ive seen more of those fail in my lifetime
[22:53] <nhaines> Yes, if it's under warranty.  Wipe it and take it to a e-recycling center if not.
[22:53] <pleia2> this is how we discovered the Ubiquity thing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website/+bug/784020
[22:54] <pleia2> ok, so it's not hard-coded, it's a feature ;)
[22:54] <nhaines> Because this chat is logged, now I have to say that I'm a technical services support auditor for Western Digital, and the advice I give is my own and does not represent the opinion or policy of my employer.
[22:55] <nhaines> Western Digital drives have the lowest failure rate in the industry.
[22:55] <iheartubuntu> i did buy a WD drive
[22:55] <nhaines> So it's not that our competitors make *bad* drives by any means, just that ours are better.  ;)
[22:56] <iheartubuntu> baraccudas are Piece of  Shiny
[22:56] <pleia2> nhaines: well, some of them do make bad drives :)
[22:56] <akk> I've seen very little correlation between brand and failure, and I've stopped trying to keep track of "brand X is good, brand Y is flaky".
[22:57] <nhaines> pleia2: I don't have an opinion on that.  ;)
[22:57] <pleia2> note to self: "fireball" is not just a witty name for a drive, it's a description of what happens to it
[22:57] <akk> Every time I buy a drive because "everyone says they're the best", it fails prematurely.
[22:57] <nhaines> akk: the WD failure rate is independantly verified.  But all drives do fail eventually so backups are critical!
[22:58] <akk> Right, nhaines (and yes, I've had good experiences with WD for quite a while now).
[22:58] <nhaines> \o/
[22:58] <pleia2> I've read some pretty scary articles about harddrive failure rates over the years, backup++
[22:58] <nhaines> I have to say that our RMA process is pretty nice, and we try to make things easy.
[22:58] <akk> Curiously, WD is the one people are always telling me I'm crazy to get. They used to have a bad rep, a long time ago.
[22:59] <pleia2> I've always gone with WDs
[22:59] <nhaines> Yeah, there was a stretch when the products were pretty lousy.  That was before I started working here.  Coincidence?
[22:59] <akk> But I've had better luck than with IBM or Seagate drives everybody says are awesome (I'm sure it's just random luck, not meaning to bash IBM or Seagate).
[22:59] <pleia2> lol
[23:00] <nhaines> I just had an old Maxtor drive start to fail... although I haven't ruled out the computer entirely.
[23:00] <pleia2> 2 hours until SF ubuntu hour, then debian dinner \o/
[23:13] <iheartubuntu> sounds like fun!
[23:14] <iheartubuntu> we have a meeting coming up sunday. where can i please find the link for the topics
[23:15] <pleia2> click on the "meetings" page on ubuntu-california.org
[23:15] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current
[23:15] <pleia2> or that :)
[23:15] <rww> currently, the topic is the rather riveting "Your agenda item here"
[23:15] <pleia2> hehe
[23:16] <pleia2> there, I added an agenda item
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> I have 13 topics to add so...
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> (jk)
[23:18] <iheartubuntu> how is that netflix???
[23:19] <pleia2> awesome :)
[23:30] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: over the internets game night? :)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> ohhhh yah
[23:31] <pleia2> yay!
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> figure out the type of game
[23:31] <pleia2> I haven't looked at games in far too long
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> best time (i think right after the meetings on sunday nites)
[23:31] <iheartubuntu> i'm putting some stuff together on a variety of games to have something to talk about
[23:32] <pleia2> nice
[23:34] <iheartubuntu> akk have you heard of Comet C/2010 X1 (Elenin)? Supposedly a big rock 50k miles in diameter headed towards earth.
[23:35] <nhaines> Only in a general sense.  The orbit is extremely stable and poses zero danger for at least the next 2000 years.
[23:35] <rww> I still want multiplayer nethack.
[23:35] <nhaines> rww: +1
[23:35] <pleia2> nhaines: killfear :)
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> Ive come across (maybe dubious) some websites saying when elenin lines up with other planets, big earthquakes occur.
[23:36] <pleia2> (that's my opposite of a killjoy, see?)
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> i tried minecraft for the first time the other day
[23:36] <iheartubuntu> it felt like DOOM version 1.0
[23:36] <akk> iheartubuntu: Haven't heard much about it, except I guess it's going to be fairly unimpressive visually.
[23:36] <nhaines> Math makes that impossible.
[23:37] <akk> iheartubuntu: Anyone saying anything about planets lining up causing other phenomena has never tried to do the actual calculations.
[23:37] <pleia2> foss games would probably be preferable to most
[23:37] <akk> Especially with a comet that has less gravitational attraction (from here) than you holding your coffee mug over your head.
[23:38] <iheartubuntu> im worried the 1st person shooter games are going to deter people from wanting to join in.
[23:38] <pleia2> planets lining up make good television though
[23:39] <rww> multiplayer VVVVVV with guns would be amusing too
[23:39] <iheartubuntu> ii remember growing up there was a guy named gordon michael scallion with an "earth changes" map showing california under water. it was supposed to happen in 2000
[23:39] <nhaines> akk: minecraft is fun.  It's sort of explorey and sort of LEGO-y.
[23:40] <pleia2> 2000 was a very disappointing year :P
[23:40] <nhaines> 2038 is the one to watch out for.
[23:40] <iheartubuntu> whats in 2038
[23:40] <akk> nothing real :)
[23:41] <akk> wait, that's when unix time runs out?
[23:41] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: Unix Mellennium Bug.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> ubuntu becomes a neural network
[23:41] <nhaines> akk: yup!  Also I'm not sure how I misspelled millennium.
[23:41] <iheartubuntu> how does it run out?
[23:41] <nhaines> Also known as epoch fail.  :)
[23:42] <iheartubuntu> Ytwenty38 coming...
[23:42] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
[23:43] <iheartubuntu> life is going to be different then. we'll be flying in cars and all.
[23:44]  * pleia2 reminds iheartubuntu that 1970 was 41 years ago, and 2038 is less than 30 away
[23:45] <nhaines> I'll take my hoverboard, thank you.
[23:45] <pleia2> hehe
[23:45] <pleia2> teleporter and I'm set
[23:45] <akk> jetpack!
[23:45] <akk> yeah, a teleporter would be more useful
[23:45] <iheartubuntu> pizzahut will just appear in the oven
[23:46] <akk> iheartubuntu: Like Wonkavision? :)
[23:46] <pleia2> I always worried about interception
[23:46] <nhaines> You think Picard ever changed his mind?  "Computer.  Tea, Earl Grey... not."
[23:47] <jtatum> no.
[23:47] <jtatum> picard was known for being decisive about tea.
[23:47] <iheartubuntu> By 2038 our cars will be able to produce 1.21 gigawatts of electrical power!
[23:47] <pleia2> hehe
[23:47] <pleia2> replicators would be awesome
[23:48] <pleia2> delivery.com comes close
[23:48] <pleia2> :)
[23:49] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: Didn't they say in the 60s that cars would be flying by 2010?
[23:49] <nhaines> Argh, another call where the agent asks for a serial number and the customer asks if that's the number labeled "P/N".
[23:49] <nhaines> Yes, sir.  The P is silent.
[23:50] <akk> Pserial
[23:50] <pleia2> lol
[23:50] <nhaines> It would annoy me less if they weren't stacked on two different lines, right next to each other.
[23:51] <akk> And the other one says S/N, I'm guessing?
[23:51] <nhaines> Yup!
[23:52] <DarkwingDuck> P/N (Part Number) S/N (Serial Number)?
[23:52] <DarkwingDuck> Thats what the Navy had it listed as :D
[23:53] <bkerensa> :)
[23:53] <DarkwingDuck> Along with NCN, NIIN and a few others
[23:53] <DarkwingDuck> Had like 4 numbers for everything
[23:56] <nhaines> Yeah, P/N: xxx and immediately under that S/N: xxx