[00:09] <SamuraiAlba> New toy ordered!
[00:09] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834200293
[09:49] <rmg51> Morning Pa
[10:23] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:58] <rmg51> oh, I see how it is
[10:58] <rmg51> JonathanD: didn
[10:59] <rmg51> dang
[10:59] <rmg51> JonathanD:  didn't like the fact that I said morning before him so he kicked me out :P
[11:00] <JonathanD> hah
[11:01] <rmg51> got a better explanation?
[11:03] <JonathanD> yes
[11:03] <JonathanD> half the channel left along with you :P
[11:03] <JonathanD> my aim isn't THAT bad.
[11:11] <waltman> Morning
[11:22] <rmg51> lies
[11:22] <rmg51> off to work
[11:48] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: k-cup update - sam's club 80 dd's for $40
[13:15] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: So you can get them for average price there. Much better than at dd. Still not cheap.
[14:33] <ChinnoDog> andrew: question is: if you get a ticket, will it hold?
[17:31] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: o glorious leader, when is our next meeting/event/party?
[17:52] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: sfd event current being planned for 3rd sat setp 17th a/with PACS and hive and the LoCo
[17:52] <ChinnoDog> hmm. I wonder if there will be a sfd around here.
[17:53] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: global bugjam is 2nd - 4th September 2011
[17:53] <jedijf> i am pre-disposed that weekend....i will try to post info for individuals...i have done myself in the past. it's fun
[17:57] <pleia2> yeah, planning these things over holiday weekends, boo :)
[17:58] <jedijf> every firstweekendof every month is a holiday forme; grand daughter weekend
[17:58] <jedijf> i have dolls to talk to
[17:59] <jedijf> that weekend we are doing renaissance faire...this past weekend was pooh (boring)
[18:00] <jedijf> i seemed to have been alana and arista (ariel's sisters) this weekend
[18:05] <pleia2> ren faire weekend sounds fun
[18:07] <jedijf> pleia2: i hope so! doesn't really matter, because I enjoy it
[18:08] <pleia2> :)
[18:08] <jedijf> turkey_legs++
[18:08] <pleia2> haha
[18:08] <pleia2> turkey_legs++
[18:08] <pleia2> omnomnom
[18:09] <JonathanD> food++
[18:09] <pleia2> JonathanD: did you see my keynote on the youtube?
[18:09] <JonathanD> Yes.
[18:09] <JonathanD> It seems you forgot to clip me out of it :P
[18:09] <pleia2> hehe
[18:09] <pleia2> I don't know how to edit videos!
[18:10] <JonathanD> pleia2: we may have a venue for next year already...
[18:10] <JonathanD> I'm contacting them now.
[18:10] <pleia2> yay!
[18:10] <JonathanD> it's a hackerspace in allentown.
[18:10] <pleia2> does it have AC?
[18:10] <JonathanD> Yes.
[18:11] <pleia2> :)
[18:11] <JonathanD> and room for 300ish, apparently.
[18:11] <JonathanD> theres a bus from 30th to allentown, takes 2 hours.
[18:11] <pleia2> heh
[18:12] <JonathanD> not terrible, relative to most busses.
[18:45] <JonathanD> meh
[18:46] <JonathanD> still hungry :/
[19:04] <waltman> Allentown's just an hour's drive for me, so I'd drive.
[21:00] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[21:20] <Sadin> can anyone tell me how to completely erase a package from ubuntu i need to reinstall my LAMP server but sudo apt-get remove lamp-server^ doesnt erase the files just idsables the program
[21:22] <anduril> apt-get --purge remove *package*
[21:23] <Sadin> thanks i hope that works :(
[21:23] <anduril> oops remove is redundent there
[21:25] <Sadin> anduril i got this in return
[21:25] <Sadin> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:25] <Sadin> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[21:25] <anduril> do you have synaptic or software center open?
[21:26] <Sadin> no :/
[21:26] <Sadin> maybe i need a restart?
[21:26] <anduril> you could but the only thing that'd put a lock on that is a terminal apt-get/aptitude process, synaptic, or software center
[21:27] <Sadin> hmmm
[21:27] <Sadin> brb ima restart
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> I think I'm with Linus on this whole desktop thing. How do I switch to xfce?
[22:52] <ChinnoDog> There must be a metapackage that will do the job for me
[22:59] <jedijf>  sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[22:59] <jedijf> that's the whole ubu she-bang; even though i prefer xfce4 solo
[23:00] <ChinnoDog> What do you mean?
[23:00] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you just do the -desktop
[23:01] <pleia2> xubuntu-desktop installs the default apps for xubuntu (gnumeric, gimp, etc) and customizations the xubuntu team made to the desktop (layout, backgrounds, etc), xfce4 just installs plain xfce that you can select from the login menu
[23:01]  * pleia2 uses xubuntu-desktop
[23:02] <ChinnoDog> I'll install the whole thing
[23:02] <jedijf> sudo aptitude show xubuntu-desktop
[23:03] <ChinnoDog> Oh. It installs web browsers and... stuff
[23:03] <jedijf> she-bang
[23:03] <jedijf> it's gnome'ish in an xfce way
[23:03] <jedijf> that help?
[23:03] <ChinnoDog> I don't want all that crap but.. oh well
[23:03]  * ChinnoDog installs everything
[23:04] <jedijf> you'll appreciate the integration
[23:04] <jedijf> how's that for a marketing spin?
[23:04]  * ChinnoDog joins the Unity hate club
[23:04] <ChinnoDog> boo. lol. I've heard it all before
[23:05]  * anduril huggles his mint xfce install
[23:05] <jedijf> actually, unity is /just/ the distro default, the beauty of Linux is all the options and the choices, and this unfounded dislike of Unity is at least reminding, or showing people that
[23:05] <rmg51> does anyone like Unity?
[23:05] <jedijf> i do
[23:05] <pleia2> jedijf: +1
[23:05] <jedijf> see above
[23:06] <ChinnoDog> Does anyone else like Unity?
[23:06] <anduril> *crickets*
[23:06] <pleia2> yes, lots of people like it
[23:06] <pleia2> (don't ask me though, I never even liked Gnome :P)
[23:06] <pleia2> it'll have more polish with 11.10, so I think that will help with some of the growing pains
[23:07] <rmg51> Teddy seems to like garden Gnomes :-D
[23:07] <ChinnoDog> All of my goodies are hidden
[23:07] <jedijf> actually, i hope they don't improve it, the wm de choice of linux is great
[23:07] <ChinnoDog> I want to see stuff
[23:07] <rmg51> I want to use stuff
[23:07] <ChinnoDog> I don't like searching for everything
[23:08] <rmg51> I have apps that use the gnome top panel
[23:08] <rmg51> they don't work with Unity
[23:09] <jedijf> dropbox does, so the devs will catchup
[23:09] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: I'm going to disagree on your above statement. It is great that you can modify linux as you like, but it is also very helpful to have a default mainstream configuration usable by all so that we can concentrate our efforts on a few things that need improvement at any given time instead of everyone being different
[23:11] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: ubuntu-kubuntu-xubuntu are all mainstream;lubuntu now too i believe, so until you try them all, reserve that comment
[23:11] <jedijf> again, we give you *more* than juse exploere.exe
[23:11] <ChinnoDog> Anything that is not Ubuntu is not mainstream, it is variation
[23:11] <jedijf> explorer
[23:11] <jedijf> wrong
[23:12] <ChinnoDog> explorer.exe gets the job done and there are lots of enhancements. People build on it instead of trying to replace it (most of the time)
[23:12] <jedijf> they are all mainstream and official despite their spellings
[23:12] <jedijf> just different
[23:13] <jedijf> again, not here to argue, but rather celebrate that we trust you, the user, with the options and the ability to find your own solution
[23:14] <jedijf> and its easy to try them all!
[23:14] <pleia2> :)
[23:14] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: you should try lubuntu
[23:14] <ChinnoDog> I don't want to try them all, I just want to go to the best one and move on
[23:14] <ChinnoDog> I have better things to do than try every program ever written
[23:14] <rmg51> but which is "the best one?"
[23:15] <jedijf> exactly
[23:15] <ChinnoDog> idk. There are people to figure that out that aren't me. Given how many people dislike Unity it must not be the best one.
[23:15] <anduril> whichever lets you get your work done the way you need it done
[23:15] <jedijf> my best, may be ChinnoDog's worse
[23:16] <rmg51> for now I'll stay with Gnome
[23:16] <jedijf> i think the overall numbers, based on adoption disagree
[23:16] <jedijf> but then again, since we are open, that's only an adoption starting point
[23:17] <ChinnoDog> A significant number of those adopters take whatever comes along. I don't think we can base the quality of the shell entirely on who is using it
[23:17] <jedijf> ok, so we'll base it solely on ChinnoDog
[23:17] <jedijf> feel better now?
[23:17] <jedijf> linux is personal
[23:17] <ChinnoDog> No, we base it on the opinions of people who are doing the most actual work with it
[23:17] <jedijf> make it your own
[23:18] <ChinnoDog> which isn't me
[23:18] <pleia2> what is "actual work"?
[23:18] <pleia2> the internet thinks linus uses fedora with xfce, maybe you go with that
[23:20] <pleia2> but you're really being silly :)
[23:20] <rmg51> I'm basing it on whether it works or not
[23:20] <rmg51> I have two laptops that won't run Unity
[23:20] <pleia2> people tell me that iphones are easy to use but every time I touch one I manage to wedge it into some kind of strange state, it really is all about personal preference
[23:21]  * pleia2 doesn't touch iphones anymore
[23:21] <JonathanD> So.
[23:21] <JonathanD> I do believe we're going to arrange an allentown geeknic prior to this winter.
[23:21] <pleia2> hrm, where is jthan
[23:21] <pleia2> he is near allentown
[23:21] <jedijf> i don't like allentown; i like the old gnome
[23:22] <jedijf> oh, combined discussions
[23:22] <pleia2> hahaha
[23:22] <jedijf> same logic
[23:22] <pleia2> jedijf: clearly you should just go to the Best city
[23:22] <pleia2> I suggest San Francisco
[23:22] <jedijf> can i get all of my work done?
[23:22] <pleia2> I can
[23:22] <rmg51> geeknic road trip :-D
[23:23] <JonathanD> we need a bus.
[23:23] <anduril> harrisburg tops SanFran. We have an incinerator we cant pay for :-p
[23:23] <JonathanD> Anyone from the city willing to carpool people to an allentown geeknic?
[23:24] <rmg51> what happened to the Bridgeport one?
[23:25] <JonathanD> thats still happening.
[23:33] <JonathanD> rmg51: we sort of need to pick a date though.
[23:33] <JonathanD> Crissi is supposed to get a list of dates and cost from the township
[23:34] <rmg51> I'm good most any Sat up till the 3rd Sat in Sept