[00:02] <gigenieks> I did delete using Live CD movie (6.5GB) and got Avail: 5.4G. Tried to login without Live Cd - worked. But I didn't download today / yesterday any stuff so it is quite wierd that suddenly Xubuntu "says" there is NO free space. Lets see how long I have to wait for this issue again...
[00:03] <charlie-tca> Using the system generates some temporary files. For example, firefox keeps a hug amount of information for every website.
[00:04] <charlie-tca> editing a file may generate a backup, etc
[00:04] <charlie-tca> s/hug/huge
[00:04] <charlie-tca> logout/login may cause a session to be saved, more space used
[00:23] <BurnZeZ> Hello.
[00:23] <BurnZeZ> I have a question which may sound dumb.
[00:23] <BurnZeZ> I can't seem to find the menu for altering network connections/settings.
[01:19] <pleb_> anyone else have trouble using flux on xubuntu
[01:20] <pleb_> it's not able to change my screen lighting.
[01:21] <pleb_> hm, got it to work on one of my two monitors.
[01:30] <pleb_> oh awesome, I can make it work by invoking xflux directly.
[01:43] <monica_> can anyone help me with a sound problem?
[01:48] <pleia2> I'd start here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:48] <pleia2> hm, actually
[01:48] <pleia2> there is a better page on help.ubuntu.com
[01:49] <pleia2> here we go: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[01:51] <monica_> the question is: how to change the sound to a USB headphone?
[01:55] <philipballew> monica_, there is probably a guide to this online, Let me help you with this
[01:55] <philipballew> :)
[01:55] <philipballew> ! alsa
[01:56] <philipballew> !sound
[01:59] <philipballew> whats the model number? ill look it up online
[02:02] <monica_> Philipballew thanks for you answer, but the discription you give looks like the settings that you have in Ubuntu (Gnome), but this is Xubuntu and here I can not find the same kind of audio settings as there are in Ubuntu (Gnome).
[02:03] <philipballew> yeah, someone should edit that bot. whats the model number of the headphones your running? i can look and see if I find anything
[02:06] <philipballew> but i would personally see if anyone has had trouble with your model as well
[02:06]  * philipballew is curious if alsa mixer picks them up when pluged in
[02:08] <monica_> it is not realy a headphone but it is en external sound device were you can connect a normal headphone. The type is X-FI Go from SoundBlaster.
[02:10] <philipballew> so the usb adapter has a female headphone jack at the end of it?
[02:12] <monica_> if a connect it than i can select it in the audio output modules from the VLC player but sellecting it is not working. You are correct that the sound divice has a normal analog headphone connector like the pc also has, but the pc sound unit is not very good and the external unit gives far better sound.
[02:14] <philipballew> oh nice. what does alsamixer show?
[02:15] <philipballew> you type alsamixer in the terminal to get the thing to change all your audio settings
[02:15] <philipballew> ... well the main ones
[02:16] <monica_> if a select the X-FI in the VLC settings than after about two seconds the pc speakers start to play again.
[02:16] <monica_> i wil try you last sugestion
[02:17] <philipballew> there is probably a way to get them to automaticly go to that on boot or when the program starts
[02:17] <philipballew> its worth a shot.
[02:22] <monica_> in the terminal alsamixer i can select the X-FI Go but than i can only see the settings and change the volume. As you suggest i wil try to do a reboot with the X-Fi Go connected.
[02:23] <monica_> I this i will try a bit more tomorro, I go to bed now. Thanks for your help!
[03:28] <celestial> hey every one i need a little help im trying to get video thumbnails in thunar and i hav e everything installed but still no thumbnails any one know how to fix this
[03:32] <jrmy> sorry to ask again.. but how do you install official java?
[03:32] <jrmy> i know you do something with enabling a repo.. and then i'd enter an sudo apt-get install java
[03:32] <jrmy> but i don't remember enough to do it on my own
[03:33] <jrmy> unless i can skip the first step
[03:34] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ#Some%20Java%20applications%20don%27t%20work,%20I%20want%20proprietary%20Oracle%20Java.
[03:35] <Unit193> ^^^ Guide should be good for Any Ubuntu flavor
[03:37] <jrmy> lol, no wonder i forget how to do this.. i need to write this down for future installations of ubuntu
[03:39] <k_sze> There is no udevinfo or usbview in Xubuntu?
[03:42] <jrmy> im gonna bookmark the page for community user documentation
[03:42] <jrmy> hate bugging people to spoon feed me/being a burden
[03:43] <Unit193> Eh, you can also search the wiki
[03:44] <jrmy> wiki?
[03:44] <jrmy> didn't even think of that
[03:45] <orngjce223> Usually googling "ubuntu ___" or "xubuntu ___" will turn up something, as well.
[03:45] <orngjce223> http://xkcd.com/627/
[03:45] <orngjce223> :V
[03:47] <jrmy> but, hell ive been using linux long enough where i should be able to take care of myself
[03:47] <jrmy> sure i keep switching between windows and linux but yeah
[03:48] <zenrox> i have used linux for the past 10 years +
[03:48] <Unit193> So ^^ would be better to answer questions than I :P
[03:48] <zenrox> probly
[03:49] <zenrox> lol
[03:50] <zenrox> but i make good guesses cause i dont pretend to know it all
[03:51] <jrmy> i should probably try and help people in these channels
[03:51] <zenrox> i do sometimes
[03:51] <jrmy> hell i know i can help windows users as long as its not techy stuff
[03:52] <jrmy> well stuff thats not really complicated
[03:52] <jrmy> i actually probably know a little bit of the techy stuff
[03:52] <jrmy> but sweet ive got java and flash installed.. all done for now\
[03:52] <zenrox> i know winshit in and out from 3.11 wfw till now
[03:53] <zenrox> and rh 3.2
[03:53] <zenrox> till now
[03:53] <zenrox> and ubuntu from the first releace
[03:53] <jrmy> whats rh?
[03:53] <zenrox> i whent to linux for a new chalange
[03:53] <zenrox> rh=redhat
[03:53] <jrmy> ah
[03:54] <jrmy> yeah i think i tried ubuntu(which was also my first try at linux) back when 5.x was out
[03:54] <zenrox> i use warty worthog
[03:54] <zenrox> that was a pain
[03:54] <jrmy> hard to say though.. but i remember that the panels wouldn't work lol
[03:55] <jrmy> I don't remember the names well
[03:55] <Unit193> It's so much easier to fix your own problems than others :P
[03:55] <zenrox> 5.4 or 5.10
[03:55] <jrmy> I'm usually pretty good at fixing my problems
[03:55] <jrmy> kinda forced to when its a hardware issue where the computer won't start
[03:56] <zenrox> i member the first linux install i used i reinstalled it about 10 times to get it the way i wanted it rpms were just being intruduced
[03:56] <zenrox> linux has taught me more about hardware that windows has
[03:56] <zenrox> that=than
[03:56] <jrmy> ive had a good/fun use with both
[03:57] <jrmy> i'd probably try mac for a while too
[03:57] <zenrox> you can put linux on a mac
[03:57] <jrmy> right.. im talking about the os
[03:58] <jrmy> isnt it liek os/x or something?
[03:58] <jrmy> i really have no idea
[03:58] <zenrox> ya
[03:58] <zenrox> os x
[03:58] <zenrox> its backly unix
[03:59] <zenrox> or based on unix
[03:59] <jrmy> but, lol i'd never be stupid enough to buy a mac just to try the os out.
[03:59] <zenrox> its ok
[03:59] <zenrox> imho
[03:59] <jrmy> macs are way to expensive
[03:59] <jrmy> i'd rather make a custom build and then buy the os
[03:59] <zenrox> its like windows execpt the expancive hardware that is locked in
[04:00] <zenrox> i love linux just cause its so custimizable like the X86-64 hardware
[04:01] <jrmy> much more stable too
[04:01] <zenrox> that too
[04:01] <jrmy> lol wish linux had it all
[04:01] <jrmy> gaming audio creation and gaming
[04:01] <orngjce223> Audio?
[04:01] <jrmy> whoops..
[04:01] <zenrox> the only tang i am really dispointed is gamming and webcams
[04:02] <orngjce223> try kxstudio heh
[04:02] <jrmy> well i'm only saying audio because of what i've heard about mac
[04:02] <zenrox> tho wine does play most of my games tho
[04:02] <jrmy> wine will probably play most of the games i play too
[04:03] <zenrox> wine has bine knowen to play some games faster than on windows
[04:03] <zenrox> like wow(blah)
[04:03] <Sysi> jrmy: afaik linux isn't that bad for music
[04:03] <orngjce223> I come from the ubuntustudio side of the wall.
[04:03] <Sysi> there are good even commercial apps
[04:03] <orngjce223> Linux has certain good audio workflows, and some not so good, but they're better than most people suspect.
[04:04] <orngjce223> I will /never/ live without JACK again.
[04:04] <jrmy> i used arbour
[04:04] <jrmy> pretty good
[04:04] <jrmy> not sonar but still not bad
[04:04] <orngjce223> Hours of fussing with questionable downloads of virtual drivers gone, just like that. Seriously. It's pretty awesome being able to wire things together, everything else on linux is icing.
[04:05] <orngjce223> Now don't get me wrong, I use LMMS, which is still beta enough that it doesn't yet have a working "undo" button
[04:05] <orngjce223> But it's all pretty cool.
[04:05] <zenrox> jack has bine good for the audiofiles
[04:05] <jrmy> i haven't thoroughly tested that yet because that last computer was too slow
[04:06] <zenrox> not for the everyday linux usere
[04:06] <orngjce223> Yeah, that true.
[04:06] <zenrox> but alsa has come a long way
[04:06] <jrmy> not sure what jack is for never had a fast track to record with
[04:06] <orngjce223> There's some niches in which it is incomparably awesome, and many in which it is pretty good, but where it's bad, it's bad enough to scare everyone away from it.
[04:07] <zenrox> yep
[04:07] <jrmy> still talking about lmms?
[04:07] <orngjce223> Basically JACK connects program to program with super low latency
[04:07] <orngjce223> I meant Linux in general
[04:07] <jrmy> ah.. right.. i'd agree
[04:07] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[04:08] <zenrox> but linux will get thare
[04:08] <zenrox> and will outshine
[04:08] <zenrox> any other os
[04:08] <jrmy> if linux had gaming i'd say buh bye to windows forever
[04:08] <orngjce223> It does. Just not the AAA titles.
[04:08] <zenrox> i have watched it grow the last 10 years and it has gotten way better
[04:08] <orngjce223> And let me be honest
[04:08] <jrmy> right
[04:08] <orngjce223> It's for those blockbusters that is the /only/ place the bazaar development model doesn't work.
[04:09] <zenrox> yep
[04:09] <orngjce223> You can have many people chipping away at code, but herding artists is like herding cats.
[04:09] <Sysi> jrmy: you can quit gaming :P
[04:09] <jrmy> Sysi: lol
[04:09] <zenrox> sysi lol
[04:09] <orngjce223> Heheheheh
[04:09] <zenrox> never
[04:09] <orngjce223> I'll be honest
[04:09] <orngjce223> My gaming experience consists of a hundred hours of Desktop Tower Defense
[04:09]  * zenrox stomps his wand of justice
[04:09] <jrmy> i do like consoles alike though
[04:09] <orngjce223> And really flash games are cool tbh, if you get the good ones
[04:09] <jrmy> from the atari to current gen
[04:10] <orngjce223> I don't do high polygon super realistic stuff though
[04:10] <orngjce223> I understand Crysis is someone's piece of cake, but I don't get that, personally.
[04:10] <orngjce223> Eh
[04:10] <jrmy> i need a little more action in the games i play
[04:10] <orngjce223> Probably my brain's fault really.
[04:10] <orngjce223> I don't get the uncanny valley effect either.
[04:10] <jrmy> idk if i'd liek crysis to be honest
[04:10] <Sysi> you have dosbox, what else could you need besides linux games
[04:10] <orngjce223> I'm not normal enough to make such judgements for other people.
[04:11] <zenrox> like nwn for linux
[04:11] <jrmy> whats nwn?
[04:11] <zenrox> never winter nights
[04:11] <jrmy> never played
[04:11] <zenrox> its a d and d based rpg
[04:11] <jrmy> gotcha
[04:12] <zenrox> done by atari
[04:12] <Renegade_> I have a intel atom 330 nvida ion with 2GB ram...should I install 32bit or 64bit?
[04:12] <zenrox> Renegade_, id do 32 bit
[04:12] <zenrox> but thats a persional preff
[04:12] <Renegade_> any reason why?
[04:12] <jrmy> i wonder if that cpu is even 64
[04:12] <jrmy> i'd doubt it
[04:12] <zenrox> it is
[04:12] <zenrox> i think
[04:13] <Sysi> you don't really benefit from 64 there
[04:13] <jrmy> really? guess i need to read up on intel... or not.. i actually prefer amd
[04:13] <jrmy> lol
[04:13] <jrmy> yeah the hardware isn't good enough
[04:13] <orngjce223> Eh, 64 introduces lots of incompatibilities
[04:13] <Renegade_> yeah it is 64 bit
[04:13] <zenrox> i have a amd athlon x2 64 3200
[04:13] <orngjce223> If you never venture outside the repos that's not too much of a problem
[04:13] <Sysi> orngjce223: not really
[04:14] <orngjce223> Mmhm
[04:14] <zenrox> an i run 32 bit
[04:14] <Renegade_> I installed 64 bit but not sure if I should stick with it or 32 bit
[04:14] <orngjce223> I just tried and failed to put in the 64 bit flash player a month or two ago
[04:14] <jrmy> zenrox: i think i have a similar cpu
[04:14] <orngjce223> So when it's bad, it's bad. Yeah.
[04:14] <Sysi> orngjce223: that works well for me
[04:15] <Sysi> Renegade_: if everythong works, dont fix it
[04:17] <Renegade_> well it works but if one runs better I wouldn't mind using that instead
[04:17] <Renegade_> this is what I got http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856176002
[04:19] <jrmy> hmm.. never seen anything liek that before.. kinda neat
[04:21] <Renegade_> very sleek and small. love it
[04:21] <Renegade_> got it on sale when it was $130
[04:22] <jrmy> nice
[04:22] <Renegade_> got a 2.5 inch 500gb lying around and bought 1x2gb ddr2 ram and got it running in no time
[04:22] <Renegade_> would of got 4gb ram but ddr2 sodimm are expensive
[04:23] <jrmy> i'd still prefer an ATX though
[04:23] <Renegade_> yeah I'll probably get a matx for when diablo 3 comes out
[04:24] <Renegade_> this is my first upgrade since 2004 so the computer I'm using was ancient
[04:24] <Renegade_> amd barton +2500XP
[04:46] <Evanescence> how to change Xubuntu's default notify into libnotify-bin ?
[05:43] <jrmy> what should i use to record audio?
[05:43] <jrmy> apparently ardour doesnt work for 64bit
[05:43] <jrmy> so now i regret installing xubuntu 64bit
[05:47] <Unit193> Seen Audacity?
[05:48] <jrmy> anything better>
[05:48] <jrmy> ?*
[05:48] <jrmy> yes..
[05:51] <jrmy> guess i'll just download lmms
[06:01] <toddlikesdesign> anyone use midori?
[06:02] <bazhang> toddlikesdesign, whats the question about it
[06:03] <toddlikesdesign> Why does it have issues with gmail?
[06:03] <bazhang> toddlikesdesign, what issues?
[06:05] <toddlikesdesign> Gmail doesn't finish loading. Won't load the ajax version without identifying itself as another browser. I suppose that's on gmail's end though.
[06:05] <toddlikesdesign> What does a red address bar signify?
[06:07] <bazhang> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/gmail/thread?tid=19f570d38b8867e7&hl=en  toddlikesdesign may want to check this, last post
[07:03] <riccardo> Hi, is it a Italian speaker ?
[07:04] <knome> !it | riccardo
[07:51] <k_sze> So Xubuntu doesn't seem to have udevinfo or usbview.
[07:51] <k_sze> What do I do to extract similar info?
[07:52] <k_sze> Is it because Xubuntu doesn't even use udev anymore?
[08:20] <TheSheep> k_sze: lsusb?
[09:09] <xublinux> What is more stable: Xfburn, K3b or Brasero?
[09:10] <philipballew> can you try all and choose?
[09:15] <xublinux> Yes, I can... :)
[09:18] <xublinux> But I have wasted some DVDs with errors with brasero (always making a data disk, i don't no why) and I'd like to know wich of them runs better on xubuntu in order to not waste more disks.
[09:26] <Ycarene> I have good luck with k3b even though I don't use KDE
[09:32] <xublinux> thanks Ycarene. I'll try k3b. (I use xfce. But in this thing I prefer something to save money in disks that something faster)
[11:43] <tokksen> I'm having problems with getting multiple monitors to work correctly. I don't know how to disable mirroring, I see no option for that in the xfce display settings. (xubuntu 11.04, notebook display + external monitor)
[11:44] <Myrtti> try with xrandr or grandr, latter has a gui
[11:46] <tokksen> grandr did the trick, thank you!
[11:47] <Myrtti> np :-)
[11:49] <Sysi> Myrtti: do grandr and arandr have any (major) difference? dependencies if not usability
[11:56] <Myrtti> Sysi: I have experience only on grandr
[15:30] <ChristopherNG> Does anyone one else find it difficult to know which hdd is which when they are given names like sdd1, sde2 etc
[15:31] <ChristopherNG> is there an "easy" of telling which one is which
[15:31] <ChristopherNG> especially when you have a few hdds the same size
[15:32] <madnick> but you know where your filesystems are right?
[15:33] <ChristopherNG> I normally do ls /media
[15:33] <ChristopherNG> and then change to the directory if thats what you mean
[15:34] <ChristopherNG> madnick: I would rather they were named better so its easier to tell which hdd is which one especially when they are the same size
[15:35] <ChristopherNG> picking a hdd is sometimes like picking a wire to cut in defusing a bomb.
[15:35] <ChristopherNG> the red or the blue?
[15:35] <madnick> So give your disks names
[15:35] <ChristopherNG> let me see how to do that
[15:45] <Sysi> you can name partitions with gparted
[15:47] <Sysi> HDDs are in same order that they're connected to sata- and other connectors
[15:48] <ChristopherNG> yeah im looking into it now
[15:52] <genii-around> I sometimes find https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive#Filesystems useful, it shows all the command line ways to change volume names on drives, depending on what filesystem is on them
[16:15] <ChristopherNG> hey folks, im outputting from my laptop to my screen, but the resolution on the tv is much higher than the laptop so it looks a little off, instead of an exact mirror..
[16:16] <ChristopherNG> any easy way to get an exact mirror of the laptop to fit exactly on the television screen, i have been playing around with the resolutions
[17:03] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, it really depends
[17:04] <xrdodrx> for instance the max resolution of most TV's isn't higher than 1080p even though they might be 40"
[17:04] <xrdodrx> really whatever you do it's going to look a little off
[17:05] <xrdodrx> the best you can get is to run xrandr -q
[17:05] <xrdodrx> find out the television's highest possible resolution
[17:05] <xrdodrx> and set it to that
[17:05] <xrdodrx> a TV does not make a good computer monitor :)
[17:06] <madnick> they did back in the 70s!
[17:07] <xrdodrx> madnick, ;)
[17:44] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: Hi sorry for the late reply ive been multi tasking
[17:44] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, that's okay
[17:44] <ChristopherNG> So there is "no fix" for a "perfect mirror resolution"?
[17:45] <xrdodrx> can you post the output of xrandr -q to pastebin or something?
[17:45] <ChristopherNG> Its fine for movies because VLC has the aspect ratio feature
[17:45] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: kk
[17:46] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662842/
[17:46] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, this is part of your problem
[17:46] <xrdodrx>    1680x1050      60.0*
[17:47] <xrdodrx> the * denotes which resolution the monitor is currently at
[17:47] <xrdodrx> or in your case the TV
[17:49] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: should i change the 60.0?
[17:49] <ChristopherNG> to match the laptop?
[17:49] <xrdodrx>  xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900 --pos 0x0 --output HDMImode 1920x1080--pos 0x0
[17:49] <xrdodrx> let's try something like that first
[17:49] <xrdodrx>  xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900 --pos 0x0 --output HDMI --mode 1920x1080--pos 0x0
[17:49] <xrdodrx> sorry
[17:49] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: you want me to put that into the terminal then?
[17:50] <ChristopherNG> the second one?
[17:50] <xrdodrx>  xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900 --pos 0x0 --output HDMI --mode 1920x1080 --pos 0x0
[17:50] <xrdodrx> yes
[17:50] <xrdodrx> try that
[17:50] <xrdodrx> made sure all spaces and things were right :)
[17:52] <ChristopherNG> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1440x900 --pos 0x0 --output HDMI --mode 1920x1080 --pos 0x0
[17:52] <ChristopherNG> warning: output LVDS not found; ignoring
[17:52] <ChristopherNG> warning: output HDMI not found; ignoring
[17:53] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, o
[17:53] <ChristopherNG> ?
[17:53] <xrdodrx>  xrandr --output LVDS-1 --mode 1440x900 --pos 0x0 --output HDMI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 0x0
[17:53] <xrdodrx> sorry
[17:54] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: http://paste.ubuntu.com/662850/
[17:55] <xrdodrx> you didn't copy the whole command ChristopherNG
[17:55] <ChristopherNG> i didnt? let me check :(
[17:57] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: i ran the command and it changed the screen a little
[17:58] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, it should have
[17:58] <xrdodrx> how does it look now? :)
[17:58] <ChristopherNG> abit worse actually
[17:58] <xrdodrx> explain
[17:58] <xrdodrx> is anything off screen
[17:58] <xrdodrx> is it taking up the whole screen
[17:58] <xrdodrx> etc
[17:59] <ChristopherNG> there is more off the screen now
[18:00] <xrdodrx> okay
[18:00] <ChristopherNG> its hard to explain to someone who can not see it.
[18:00] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, play with xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos *x*
[18:00] <xrdodrx> don't paste that command as is, change the numbers after pos
[18:01] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: yes change the "*"
[18:01] <xrdodrx> yes
[18:01] <ChristopherNG> give me a number to start at plz
[18:01] <ChristopherNG> roughly and i take it from there
[18:01] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, 100 :)
[18:01] <ChristopherNG> troll
[18:01] <ChristopherNG> lol
[18:01] <xrdodrx> I really can't see to help you
[18:01] <xrdodrx> this is where the left corner of the screen is
[18:02] <xrdodrx> in x, y
[18:07] <xrdodrx> any luck, ChristopherNG ?
[18:09] <gridcube> ChristopherNG: doesnt your tv/monitor has an autosetup? try shutting it off and on to see if it fixes itself
[18:10] <xrdodrx> what gridcube said also might work, as it would re-adjust to fit the output X is giving to it
[18:10] <xrdodrx> :)
[18:10] <ChristopherNG> yeah im trying and i think im getting closer
[18:10] <ChristopherNG> the thing is this command that im running only changes the display on the tv not the laptop right?
[18:11] <xrdodrx> yes
[18:11] <gridcube> doesnt your output has a 1080 or 720 set? you should try those too
[18:12] <gridcube> ChristopherNG: whats your tv model?
[18:14] <ChristopherNG> acer 23" model no: AT2365M 1080P
[18:16] <gridcube> at2365? acer page only lists 2326 on the 23"
[18:16] <ChristopherNG> let me find it
[18:17] <gridcube> on 32" there is a 3265
[18:18] <ChristopherNG> sorry its actually at2356m
[18:18] <ChristopherNG> multitasking here
[18:21] <gridcube> > 1920 x  1080 pixels @ 60 Hz refresh rate (for 23” models ).
[18:22] <ChristopherNG> xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos
[18:22] <ChristopherNG> so what to change that last part to?
[18:22] <ChristopherNG> 60x60?
[18:22] <ChristopherNG> this is really irritating lol
[18:22] <ChristopherNG> yeah its a 23 inch
[18:22] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, you either auto adjust the monitor or `guess and check'
[18:23] <ChristopherNG> 20x60 the 20 is the left and the 60 the right?
[18:23] <xrdodrx> no
[18:23] <xrdodrx> it's 20 to the right and 60 down
[18:23] <xrdodrx> or should be
[18:26] <gridcube> 66.6h 60v
[18:27] <ChristopherNG> im confused aswell
[18:28] <xrdodrx> :<
[18:28] <xrdodrx> so am I
[18:28] <xrdodrx> you said your only issue was that the picture was offscreen
[18:29] <gridcube> http://support.acer.com/us/en/product/default.aspx?tab=1&modelId=3405
[18:29] <gridcube> ok gotta go
[18:29] <gridcube> :D good luck
[18:39] <ChristopherNG> back sorry i got dc
[18:40] <ChristopherNG> now here is what i think
[18:40] <ChristopherNG> 1. I should lower the resolution on the tv becaues its far too high
[18:40] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, sometimes a picture speaks a thousand words
[18:40] <xrdodrx> if you take one I can help you much better :)
[18:40] <ChristopherNG> sure where to upload it?
[18:41] <xrdodrx> imgur, imageshack
[18:41] <xrdodrx> your choice
[18:41] <ChristopherNG> give me a minute
[18:41] <ChristopherNG> um wait!
[18:41] <ChristopherNG> i think it just auto adjusted there
[18:41] <ChristopherNG> wow!
[18:41] <ChristopherNG> its almost fixed
[18:41] <xrdodrx> :D
[18:42] <ChristopherNG> let me xrandr -q and paste it
[18:43] <ChristopherNG> http://paste.ubuntu.com/662873/
[18:44] <ChristopherNG> how is that different from the first xrandr -q i posted?
[18:44] <ChristopherNG> it looks much, much better on the tv
[18:44] <ChristopherNG> not 100% but 90%
[18:44] <xrdodrx> glad to hear it :)
[18:44] <xrdodrx> sorry the resolution I recommended was too high
[18:44] <xrdodrx> every TV is different
[18:45] <ChristopherNG> 1680x1050+0+0
[18:45] <ChristopherNG> is that what the tv is now?
[18:45] <xrdodrx> yes
[18:46] <xrdodrx> that means --mode 1680x1050 --pos 0x0
[18:46] <ChristopherNG> great because i need to shift it to the right a little on the tv i change the y axis?
[18:46] <ChristopherNG> HDMI-1 connected 1680x1050+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[18:46] <xrdodrx> try changing the x axis
[18:47] <xrdodrx> x goes left to right, y goes up and down
[18:47] <ChristopherNG> ok remember the current settings in case i forget them plz.
[18:47] <xrdodrx> sure :)
[18:47] <ChristopherNG> this is the closest ever!
[18:50] <ChristopherNG> xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1680x1050 --pos 5x0
[18:50] <ChristopherNG> im going to try that
[18:51] <ChristopherNG> move from the left to the right alittle
[18:51] <xrdodrx> okay
[18:56] <ChristopherNG> ok
[18:56] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, fixed?
[18:56] <ChristopherNG> mostly, just want to fix the pannels now
[18:57] <ChristopherNG> the dock pannel at the bottom is not appearing on the laptop but appears massive on the screen
[18:57] <ChristopherNG> and the laptop shows the top pannel which the tv doesnt
[18:57] <ChristopherNG> i think that is more with the pannel preferences
[18:57] <xrdodrx> yeah
[18:57] <xrdodrx> I can't help too much in that department :(
[18:57] <xrdodrx> I'm glad your TV is displaying the best picture it can though :)
[18:58] <ChristopherNG> yeah thanks for the help
[18:58] <ChristopherNG> btw what does "span monitors" do in the pannel preferences?
[18:58] <ChristopherNG> ive clicked it and unclicked didnt seem to do anything
[18:59] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, you should try simply restarting the panels before going through all these preferences
[18:59] <xrdodrx> killall xfce4-panel && nohup xfce4-panel &
[18:59] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: i do that and they will reappear?
[19:00] <xrdodrx> yes
[19:00] <ChristopherNG> last thing i need is no pannels lol!
[19:00] <ChristopherNG> kk let me do it
[19:00] <xrdodrx> that's what the second part of the command is
[19:00] <xrdodrx> :)
[19:02] <ChristopherNG> kk thanks
[19:02] <xrdodrx> did restarting the panels help?
[19:02] <ChristopherNG> yeah it appears in both now the bottom panel
[19:02] <xrdodrx> good :D
[19:03] <ChristopherNG> im going to reboot and see what happens
[19:04] <ChristopherNG> xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1680x1050 --pos 0x0
[19:04] <ChristopherNG> thats my settings for the television
[19:04] <xrdodrx> ChristopherNG, might not want to do that :<
[19:04] <xrdodrx> also your settings are 5x0
[19:04] <xrdodrx> xrandr's state usually is not preserved between reboots
[19:04] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: i changed it back to 0x0 because it was pointless trying to move the screen to the right when you can easily move the icons.
[19:04] <xrdodrx> you're going to need to save that somewhere, and maybe even the command to restart the panels
[19:05] <xrdodrx> oh
[19:05] <xrdodrx> I see ;)
[19:05] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: the best test is probably going to play a movie let me try that before i reboot
[19:19] <ChristopherNG> xrdodrx: do you remember what the laptop settings were in the xrandr -q?
[19:19] <ChristopherNG> the first one?
[19:20] <ChristopherNG> your sure the xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1680x1050 --pos 0x0
[19:20] <ChristopherNG> only changes the display on the television not the laptop right?
[19:24] <ChristopherNG> ah its cool it got it now
[19:49] <ChristopherNG> Folks, how about this, cant there be a program written that automaatically detects what devices are connected from a graphics card out put and calculate the best output resolution to that screen?
[19:49] <ChristopherNG> Or does this already exist and ive been wasting my time?
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Sure, when do expect to have it started?
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Sure, when do you expect to have it started?
[19:50] <ChristopherNG> well im not actually a programmer, im an accountant
[19:50] <charlie-tca> There is, as always, a severe shortage of those who can write such programs
[19:51] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: I really wish i came across this problem the other day when xubuntu devs were meeting in that channel.
[19:51] <charlie-tca> It is not an easy program to write, even though it may make it easy to set things up
[19:51] <ChristopherNG> but i doubt they would want to spend time to make it.
[19:51] <charlie-tca> They don't have time to make it
[19:51] <ChristopherNG> so there is no such program written by anyone for any linux distrobution?
[19:52] <charlie-tca> I don't know. Linux has many distributions, and I am not familiar with most of them
[19:53] <ChristopherNG> well i will see if there is one out there for other distros and if its open sources maybe we can make a ppa or something from it for the ubuntu distros?
[19:53] <ChristopherNG> ive been doing this for a while and its long, dull and generally quite depressing.
[19:56] <madnick> I don't understand this issue :)
[19:56] <madnick> I have ATI and Nvidia cards, infact i use HDMI daily, and amdcccle works fine, same with nvidia-settings
[19:58] <ChristopherNG> madnick: you use HDMI daily, now tell me this..
[19:58] <ChristopherNG> How did you get the correct resolution to output on the television so it was a perfect mirror of your laptop/desktop?
[19:58] <ChristopherNG> did you use xrandr and keep moving it around?
[19:58] <madnick> No
[19:59] <madnick> I used amdcccle / nvidia-settings
[19:59] <ChristopherNG> and its a perfect mirror?
[19:59] <madnick> yes it is
[19:59] <ChristopherNG> :)
[20:00] <madnick> I dont think manually using xrandr is recommended, especially for new users
[20:00] <ChristopherNG> well ive been trying to play around with that all day with mixed results
[20:01] <madnick> ChristopherNG: what card do you have?
[20:02] <ChristopherNG>  product: G98 [GeForce 9200M GS]
[20:02] <ChristopherNG>                 vendor: nVidia Corporation
[20:02] <ChristopherNG> i havent tried nvidia settings, not even sure where it is? i dont see it in the software center, is it in the repositories?
[20:02] <madnick> and when you installed the drivers for this, it did not install nvidia-settings?
[20:03] <madnick> Look at Settings ->
[20:03] <ChristopherNG> i havent installed prop drivers or any graphics drivers, tried doing it manually
[20:03] <ChristopherNG> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[20:04] <ChristopherNG> shall i?
[20:04] <madnick> No, you should get the proper driver if you dont have it :)
[20:05] <ChristopherNG> i ok ive went system -> additional drivers
[20:05] <ChristopherNG> its searched and there is an "experimental 3d support for nvidia cards"
[20:05] <ChristopherNG> thats the only one, activate?
[20:05] <madnick> sure, but also try typing: sudo nvidia-settings in a terminal
[20:05] <ChristopherNG> The program 'nvidia-settings' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[20:06] <ChristopherNG> i did sudo aswell
[20:06] <ChristopherNG> i dont have it.
[20:06] <madnick> okay, then activate that driver
[20:06] <ChristopherNG> activating, i think i will need to reboot and come back
[20:06] <madnick> It has been ages since I installed the nvidia drivers :)
[20:06] <ChristopherNG> activated and in use, its asking me to reboot.
[20:06] <ChristopherNG> brb
[20:09] <ChristopherNG> back
[20:10] <madnick> now rerun sudo nvidia-settings :)
[20:10] <ChristopherNG> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo nvidia-settings
[20:10] <ChristopherNG> sudo: nvidia-settings: command not found
[20:10] <ChristopherNG> I think i have to get it from the repos
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> it doesnt come with that driver i dont think
[20:11] <madnick> Perhaps
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> i tried it without sudo aswell.
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ nvidia-settings
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> The program 'nvidia-settings' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[20:11] <ChristopherNG> im going to get it from the repos ok?
[20:12] <madnick> sure
[20:12] <madnick> I find this whole deal very wierd, but Im still using 10.04 on the nvidia computer :)
[20:12] <ChristopherNG> done ive got it
[20:12] <ChristopherNG> ok ive typed "nvidia-settings" and its opened up
[20:13] <madnick> then just set it up :)
[20:13] <ChristopherNG> but I get a message "You do not appear to be using the Nvidia x driver please edit your X configuration file (just run 'nvidia-xconfig' as root and restart the x server"
[20:14] <ChristopherNG> sudo nvidia-xconfig ? or do i need to edit it with a text editor?
[20:14] <madnick> iirc it should do it all for you
[20:15] <ChristopherNG> well there is an "ok" button there click it then?
[20:15] <ChristopherNG> and ok button for that message i just tyoed.
[20:16] <madnick> I don't really remember the details :)
[20:16] <ChristopherNG> well how you gets your working?
[20:16] <madnick> I got the driver from their website
[20:16] <madnick> and installed it from there
[20:21] <ChristopherNG> http://www.nvidia.co.uk/content/DriverDownload-March2009/confirmation.php?url=/XFree86/Linux-x86/280.13/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-280.13.run&lang=uk&type=GeForce
[20:21] <ChristopherNG> that is the driver apparently i need.
[20:21] <ChristopherNG> When i click to download, it opens up a bunch of text
[20:21] <ChristopherNG> a .run is that a binary installer of somekind
[20:21] <ChristopherNG> ?
[20:22] <madnick> chmod +x file
[20:22] <madnick> ./file
[20:22] <ChristopherNG> ok let me use wget to download it
[20:22] <ChristopherNG> kk wget worked and its in my home directory
[20:23] <madnick> Sorry, I have to go for a bit, i bbl
[20:40] <slipkid08> hey guys
[20:41] <slipkid08> how do I upgrade my xubuntu to 11.10 A?
[20:41] <Sysi> update-manager -d
[20:41] <slipkid08> ah
[20:41] <Sysi> alpha support at #ubuntu+1, I guess you already know to exept some flicks
[20:42] <slipkid08> I know quite a bit about the CLI but I am still learning
[20:42] <slipkid08> :)
[20:43] <slipkid08> its gonna restart me
[20:43] <slipkid08> late
[21:03] <coyoteuk5> Hello can someone help me with the file manager thunor as regards my mp3 player
[21:07] <xrdodrx> coyoteuk5, maybe
[21:08] <xrdodrx> how are the two related? :)
[21:09] <coyoteuk5> ok I got a creative mp player and when I delete the files on thep layer usung the file manager thry go to a thrash file on the player so I now have an mp 3 player that is full of stuff but I cannot delete them
[21:09] <coyoteuk5> sorry for mispeling
[21:10] <coyoteuk5> is it clear or do you have any questions
[21:10] <xrdodrx> oh
[21:11] <xrdodrx> I had this problem as well
[21:11] <coyoteuk5> did you solve it
[21:11] <xrdodrx> go to the root of your mp3 player's file system
[21:11] <xrdodrx> hit ctrl+h
[21:11] <xrdodrx> delete the ,Trash-1000 folder
[21:11] <xrdodrx> shift+delete key
[21:12] <xrdodrx> in the future when you want to delete a file use shift+delete instead of just hitting delete
[21:14] <coyoteuk5> I got the folder open now I wil try it now
[21:15] <coyoteuk5> its saying unable ot move file to wate basket
[21:15] <coyoteuk5> waste
[21:17] <coyoteuk5> one minute I am going to disconnect it and try it again
[21:18] <coyoteuk5> No still the same message
[21:19] <coyoteuk5> dso you think if I put it on the boards someone might have an idea
[21:22] <coyoteuk5> well thank you for your help anyway
[21:22] <coyoteuk5> I will try that
[22:23] <ChristopherNG> Ok folks, I have a perfect mirror image on my television of my laptop.
[22:23] <ChristopherNG> Here is how to do it if anyone has the same problem and they cant get the resolutions right.
[22:24] <ChristopherNG> its 100%
[22:25] <charlie-tca> ChristopherNG: why not write up a wiki page for it?
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: Thats actually a very good idea
[22:25] <ChristopherNG> because I know there will be other people out there with the same problem who dont want to spend all day getting it fixed.
[22:26] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: where to make the wiki?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuDualMonitor maybe or similar
[22:26] <charlie-tca> ?
[22:26] <ChristopherNG> excellent
[22:26] <ChristopherNG> It will be good to give something back to the community.
[22:27] <charlie-tca> That pins it to Xubuntu, DualMonitor is whatever you think it should be
[22:27] <charlie-tca> That would be great!
[22:49] <ChristopherNG> charlie-tca: is it just me or does xubuntu not have "add new monitor" button like ubuntu?
[22:49] <charlie-tca> I never heard of such a button
[22:50] <charlie-tca> There are very definite differences between Ubuntu and Xubuntu, that may be one
[22:50] <ChristopherNG> that is why it took me 7 hours to get my laptop to output correctly to the television.
[22:50] <charlie-tca> That's why I say Xubuntu is not for new users of linux
[22:50] <ChristopherNG> Basically if i use monitor A to output with my laptop.
[22:50] <ChristopherNG> then I disattach A and connect a new screen B
[22:50] <charlie-tca> It really is not as simple as Ubuntu to make work
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> Xubuntu tries to make the same output for B as it was for A
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> thats why i spent 7 hours trying to fix it
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> I was tyring to tweak the settings for monitor A to fit B using xrandr lol!
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> ...a little to the left, up, no down!
[22:51] <ChristopherNG> waste of time.
[22:52] <ChristopherNG> Im going to make a wiki for this tomorrow
[22:52] <charlie-tca> apparently, I still use one monitor for each computer here
[22:52] <charlie-tca> It seems so much easier
[22:52] <ChristopherNG> with ubuntu or xubuntu?
[22:53] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu, of course. I test everything, I run Xubuntu
[22:53] <ChristopherNG> K, well just so everyone knows, If you attach a new monitor when you have been using a different one, Xubuntu will try outputting the same resolution on the new screen as it was for the old screen.
[22:54] <ChristopherNG> ..so dont spend all day using xrandr trying to make the old settings for the old monitor fit the new one.
[22:55] <ChristopherNG> I planned to setup my vps today! but never had the time lol!
[23:12] <Matryx> can someone help me with this. I keep getting an error: file not found when booting into OPENELEC http://imageshack.us/f/814/parion.png/