=== Dan`ka is now known as Dan`ka|sleep [01:43] Quintasan: there is some insanely buggness with it, but it works once per boot [01:43] ^^ [01:46] DarkwingDuck: Except for kdepim, I've found it really stable. [01:48] ScottK: kubuntu tablety stuff is little effort for tech preview [01:48] dslogger: You know where to go for your freeze exception, right? [01:48] bump the font and ui element size a bit + deploy maliit [01:48] ScottK: yep :P [01:51] dslogger, ping [02:01] rbelem: yo [02:01] actually [02:01] -> steps out for a bit [02:07] rbelem: so, sup? [02:07] because I am about to go to bed [02:07] its 4 here :P [02:08] :-D [02:09] dslogger, i would ask if you had time time to take a look at those branches [02:10] rbelem: not before next week supposedly, but perhaps tomorrow.... I scored an exopc slate so I should look at it soonish anyway [02:10] also I am not quite sure we will be able to do production quality for kubuntu mobile [02:10] paritcularly because I am reather busy with kdemultimedia/phonon stuff [02:11] meh, plasma-mobile [02:11] only crashes for me with active-development/4.7 of libs and runtime :S [02:11] * dslogger goes to bed [02:11] nini [02:11] dslogger, good night [02:12] dslogger, i will ping you tomorrow [02:15] dslogger, i will dedicate at least one hour during week days and half day on saturday and sunday [03:23] ScottK: I have been needing to redo my partitions tables and reinstall for a bit... Was going to grab a daily build and run it as a daily driver if it was stable enough. [03:24] DarkwingDuck: Don't use the daily ISO. Use the Alpha 3 ISO to install and then update. [03:24] * DarkwingDuck nods [03:24] Will do. [03:25] Prolly do it late tonight or tomorrow. [05:03] What kernal are we using for Oneiric? [05:04] rather, let me ask if anyone has tried 3.0 on Ubuntu/Debian [07:04] Hello, after yestardays update of flash, it's not working. I cant find libflashplugin.so anywhere (64bit here), installed flash 11 b2 from adobe for now [07:04] that happend on 2 separate installs of kubuntu 11.04 [07:05] reinstall of flashinstaller has not helped [09:22] dslogger: PING [09:32] hey guys [09:32] after upgrade to 11.04, Chromium tells me that my Flash player is too old [09:32] used to work fine before [09:32] any ideas? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:36] PiotrN: ah yes, I also have Flash issues here (see above) [09:37] flashplugin-nonfree is installed [09:37] but not found by chrome [09:40] ScottK: I was working on digikam but didn't get far, so I'll take a look at _Groo_'s packages [09:42] markey_nokialyze, PiotrN: It seems like flash update broke something [09:43] Quintasan: for a stable distro release that's really bad... [09:43] some more testing would be nice [09:43] flashplugin-nonfree (10.3.183.4ubuntu0.11.04.1) natty-security [09:43] Quintasan: yup, that's why we mentioned it, it seems like there is a file missing or not fetched by the installer [09:44] in /var/cache/flash-installer there is a wgetrc [09:44] actually the problem started after upgrading to KDE 4.7 [09:44] like i said, there is a flash 11 b2 on adobe's site, that works for both 32 and 64 bit, so the alternative is quite painless [09:44] with 4.6 on Kubuntu 11.04 it worked [09:45] sudo aptitude reinstall flashplugin-installer [09:45] it downloads it here [09:45] PiotrN: is it stable? works with Chromium? has .deb package? [09:45] Quintasan: downloads, yes [09:45] but then? [09:45] markey_nokialyze: no .deb package [09:45] [flashplugin-installer]% ls (quintasan@nightwalker:..shplugin-installer) [09:45] libflashplayer.so [09:45] what do I have to do? [09:45] /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer [09:45] Quintasan: it failed in here, my dir is empty [09:46] markey_nokialyze: please try sudo aptitude reinstall flashplugin-installer once again [09:46] ok [09:46] PiotrN: I'm not sure why does it happen [09:46] PiotrN: Can you pastebin the wgetrc? [09:47] Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. [09:47] E: I wasn't able to locate file for the flashplugin-installer package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. [09:47] Aha [09:47] Quintasan: moment, now it's doing something (had a permission issue after my manual install) [09:47] sudo aptitude install flashplugin-installer [09:47] markey_nokialyze: ^ [09:47] ok so far [09:47] PiotrN: Strangely enough, I don't have that file [09:47] let's see :) [09:48] Quintasan: after the reinstall, i dont have it either... someone fiexed the package since yesterday ? [09:48] PiotrN: Most likley [09:49] at home I have 100 Mbit cable. the 200kb/s in the hotel feel awkward once you get used to it :) [09:49] Quintasan: thank's, statying with 11 b2 anyways, but it will be easier for my friend to fix the issue [09:50] PiotrN: You're welcome [09:50] Quintasan: IMO my launchpad pic looks more like me... well, maybe since my hair was pretty flat after wearing a cap all day, should've kept it on. [09:50] yofel: Now that you mention it :) [09:50] Quintasan: so it seems that flashplugin might have got uninstalled by the KDE upgrade. is this possible? [09:50] what, where is my LP pic [09:50] markey_nokialyze: Not sure if thats possible [09:51] I do not think any of our packages depend on flash [09:51] ok tbh, as this is my work computer, it might not have been installed before. PEBCAC [09:51] :) [09:52] I will exchange this T410 for a X201, it's far too heavy for carrying in a backpack [09:52] noticed that at DS [09:52] * Quintasan needs a laptop [09:52] yofel: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan [09:52] also the build quality is sub standard for a thinkpad [09:52] yofel: Now, that's how I really look like ;) [09:52] lol [09:53] Quintasan: my GF just ordered a ThinkPad X220 with SSD, the machine is amazing. 1.5 kg weight, core i7, 8 hours battery life, and you can get it with IPS display for a little extra [09:53] markey_nokialyze: Tell me how much for that [09:53] the device is a bit costly, but it will last a good for 4 years [09:53] sec [09:53] i bet about 6k $ [09:53] naah [09:53] about $1600 [09:53] markey_nokialyze: I'm your average (that implies being poor) high school student :P [09:54] LOL [09:54] * Quintasan thinks he never had that much in Polish zloty [09:54] 1.6k ?, that's too cheap for thinkpad with ssd [09:54] Quintasan: let me forward you my ordering mail. if you want SSD from Intel, it's $360 extra [09:54] Quintasan: email address? [09:54] 1.9 with SSD [09:54] markey_nokialyze: quintasan@kubuntu.org [09:54] still good bang for the buck [09:55] * Quintasan needs to get a paid job [09:55] the only other lappy with IPS display is a MacBook, but they are far more expensive, and huge [09:55] rbelem: If you need help with contour then let me know [09:56] Quintasan: u got mail [09:56] >Windows 7 [09:56] Oh how long it would last when I would get this laptop [09:56] Like [09:56] 10 seconds? [09:56] :D [09:57] This looks totally interesting, too bad I don't even have half of the price :S [09:58] Quintasan: http://notebooks.com/2011/03/23/lenovo-thinkpad-x220-review/ [09:58] non-plus-ultra [09:58] worth skipping some other expenses for [09:58] or asking Canonical for some sponsoring [09:59] Nokia gives us all the hardware we need, they are not skimpy [09:59] good people need good hardware [10:00] I have two ThinkPads, a 8-core workstation and two HP IPS displays from work, one ThinkPad I use at home for VPN Intranet excess [10:00] access [10:01] the least Shuttleworth could do is sponsoring developers some hardware, if he doesn't pay you anyway [10:04] hm, putting together a cool x220 on the lenovo website ends at ~1700$ - not something I currently have. But I don't usually carry my t510 around too much [10:05] * yofel wonders if one could get a windows refund [10:06] markey_nokialyze: I could try that but I don't think it works that way :) [10:07] Quintasan: there was a panel discussion with Shuttleworth at DS. basically he is the last person on earth who wants Copyright Assignment for FOSS [10:07] it's not even legal in the EU [10:07] he would have to move his HQ to the US [10:07] everyone disagreed with him, even Nokia now does away with Assignment for Qt [10:08] the guy is, sorry to say, a bit of an asshole. what started as a great company is running against the wall quickly [10:08] most of our KDE devs are now investing in OpenSUSE, they actually give back to KDE a lot [10:09] We don't give anything? :< [10:09] * Quintasan thought we had problems making people kubuntu-members since most of us work upstream [10:09] I still believe in Kubuntu because of the awesome dev community, but you are not being paid for your efforts [10:10] I suggested that KDE could take the project over, but then the OpenSUSE folks got angry (understandably) [10:11] dslogger has invested so much work into Canonical, it's not even funny. I might be able to make him an attractive job offer, that actually rewards him for his work. we'll see ;) [10:12] then he would still be able to contribute to Kubuntu, but with proper funding [10:12] yofel: care to see what Onepamopa it talking about in #kubuntu? [10:12] looking [10:12] Can't see why we have to provided support for notsupported backend [10:12] yofel: you are not being paid anything for your work in Kubuntu, right? [10:13] markey_nokialyze: nope :/ [10:13] not cool. [10:13] why put up with it... be more vocal [10:16] Quintasan: giving back as in, paying KDE developers. OpenSUSE pays about 5 good KDE hackers, full-time. among them the president of the KDE e.V. [10:18] Oh, like that [10:24] * Quintasan tries kmail [10:25] yofel: I'm bad at handling people with attitude like this (#kubuntu) [10:25] I would first smash a hammer in their head to make em cool down a little bit before blaming us for doing soemthing the wrong way :S [10:26] uh well, they come and go [10:26] s/something/everything [10:29] yofel: How do we solve Couldn't fetch resources collection in KMail? :/ [10:30] what does that even mean? [10:30] It pops right when I start KMail and it closes after that :D [10:31] uh, then that's akonadi I guess ^^ [10:32] yofel: in which repo do we have the 4.7 PIM? [10:34] natty: experimental, oneiric: archive [10:35] * Quintasan adds and tries [10:37] Riddell: I'd like to go to UDS but the timing is a bit bad for me. I'll see closer to the dealine [10:39] yofel: Any idea how does one do push IMAP? [10:39] not from kmail [10:39] markey_nokialyze: canonical doesn't require copyright assignment for their projects anymore [10:39] at least I have no idea if it's doable [10:39] debfx: have you seen his panel discussion? [10:40] debfx: Mark was rather enthusiastic about finding arguments for it though [10:40] it was about this very topic. with Michael Meeks [10:40] even if it looked ridicculous after a while [10:40] Meeks was not amused [10:40] neither was Bradley from the SFC, who was also in the panel [10:40] well then he does the opposite of what he is saying ;) [10:41] which makes no sense [10:41] have you heard about the radiation in space?... [10:41] :p [10:41] dslogger: gimme your tablet and i shall give you kubuntu tablet [10:42] dslogger: you have too many devices anyway :P [10:42] had a funny discussion with a guy from Intel. if we give them some N9 (they don't have any), Intel will provide Nokia with as many tablets as we want. but we have them already, and who needs a WeTab... [10:42] * markey_nokialyze will bring a Motorola Xoom tomorrow [10:43] markey_nokialyze: have fun booting kubuntu on that [10:44] why would I want to do that? [10:44] Android 3 rocks [10:44] because android is shit [10:45] it's optimized for tablet usage [10:45] works great [10:45] i've never used it, and the android ROM on my phone is quite shit :P [10:45] I was shown Plasma Active with Countour at DS. sorry to say, but it looked rather lacking [10:46] there is no way they could catch up with Google, with only 3 paid developers [10:47] dslogger: btw where the hell are you> [10:47] i haven't seen you here in forever [10:47] Kubuntu has currently one paid developer, which is Riddell. agateau gets paid pretty well, but he has to do lots of GNOME hacking [10:48] that's ridicululous [10:48] markey_nokialyze: actually, Kubuntu has no paid developers right now, Riddell is on rotation :P [10:48] Android has like 2,000 paid devs (or more) [10:49] markey_nokialyze: i completely agree we need more people working on this full time [10:49] Kubuntu also makes no money [10:49] so, what are we going to do about it? wait and sip tea? [10:50] Riddell: that could be changed. there is a lot of interest to roll out Kubuntu with KDE 4.7 as standard desktop in Nokia [10:50] and opensuse doesn't pay 5 people to work on KDE alas [10:50] it just needs some doing [10:50] come to our site, have a talk. you will get fully sponsored for all expenses [10:50] I can arrange this [10:51] does Elop know about this? :) [10:51] lol [10:51] I have already achieved to roll out Kubuntu in our office [10:51] markey_nokialyze++ [10:51] Riddell: he wouldn't mind at all [10:52] markey_nokialyze: so whats the issue now? [10:52] also he's not our boss (Mobile Phones). that's someone who you also know, but I can't say the name just yet :) [10:53] shadeslayer: issue is, it would help a lot if somone from Kubuntu came to our site, gave a talk, and advised our managers [10:53] one day is enough [10:54] in addition, that person can come to dinner at our place [10:54] * shadeslayer is bad at promo stuff [10:54] hmm, interesting [10:54] Riddell would be my first choice [10:55] Riddell: do eet :P [10:55] canonical doesn't generally do desktop rollouts though, that's done by other companies [10:56] I'm also not a salesperson [10:56] it's not really about rolling out. it's more about introducing the product [10:56] we can do the administration by ourselves [10:57] ok, sounds interesting [10:58] and I guess if it didn't work out it would at least show where our weaknesses are [10:58] send me an invite by e-mail and I'll work out with my manager how I can do it [11:00] Riddell: email address please? [11:00] jriddell @ubuntu.com [11:00] thanks [11:00] will talk to my boss tomorrow [11:01] but I'm not going to wear a suit :) [11:01] we don't have any dress code. even our upper management wears sneakers and jeans [11:01] well aye, at nokia most of the business is done naked in the sauna anyway isn't it? you crazy Finns [11:01] Riddell: Remind me again where you are from? [11:01] hehe [11:01] alvin: Scotland [11:02] lol [11:02] Riddell in suit with a tie [11:02] :DDD [11:03] shadeslayer: I agree with you on "dslogger has too many devices" [11:03] Yep, expect a kilt (is that the correct word?) [11:03] that's the one [11:03] hahaha [11:05] Riddell: I demand you go to UDS with a suit and take a picture with dslogger [11:05] That would increase the awesome [11:06] * dslogger fires up kubuntu tablet and fixes onscreenkbd [11:06] dslogger in a kilt? he could be very attractive [11:06] :D [11:06] dslogger: yo, ok with the phonon patches? [11:06] dslogger: Gimmie a devices [11:07] dslogger: i'm coming to steal your devices :> [11:07] dslogger: Also, where is my movie? [11:08] * Quintasan noticed a nice trend [11:08] Noone wants anything from dslogger - the channel is either silent or there is some other discussion going on [11:08] Riddell: yeah, colin and I concluded that a 4.5.1 release is about too happen soonish anyway [11:08] so patches are good to ship since they are upstream anyway ^^ [11:09] Someone wants something from dslogger - over 9000 pings on dslogger and $(WORK) mode [11:09] Quintasan: no video, because it breaks [11:09] some assert in glib dbus fails after first usage of maliit [11:09] Now, the important question, is it the upstream cdoe or I fckd up? [11:09] no idea [11:10] dslogger: Did you manage to compile -plugins? [11:10] yes [11:10] Good [11:10] I can make the kbd appear once [11:10] Do a screenshot then [11:10] but then the maliit-server goes kaboom and nothing works no more [11:11] I didn't even see what it looks like [11:12] I FOUND A BUG!!!1!11 [11:12] KMail-- [11:12] someone ping me when you see _Groo_ [11:12] Quintasan: well, you can just as well run it on a desktop [11:12] http://i.imgur.com/8rKUb.png <-- it apparently sorts the messages by thread [11:13] Quintasan: is that wrong? [11:14] Well Valorie Zimmerman doesn't look like a thread to me [11:14] shadeslayer: did you not get a device? [11:14] Quintasan: can i send You a priv ? [11:15] dslogger: we weren't at the intel appup meeting [11:15] Quintasan: pong? [11:15] PiotrN: Of course you can [11:15] yofel: :O [11:15] yofel: why not? [11:15] like everyone knew they'd give away tablets :S [11:15] well, bulldog98 just came over and I'm trying to build plasma active to put onto his [11:16] jussi: Oh, I was wondering if I should lend rsalveti (from #linaro) my iMX since he apparently works on them but he doesnt have one and someone has to fix gles finally [11:18] yofel: good luck, it crashes for me [11:18] though that was at like 4 in the morning so I might have done it wrong(tm) [11:19] Quintasan: how did you manage to get that screenshot? I tried aggregating by sender, but then the list is not threaded anymore. Sorting by sender sorts the starters of threads. [11:19] (by date) [11:19] alvin: I just configured KMail and it was looking like that by default [11:19] Oh, weird. I can't find out how to make it look like that :-) [11:20] Quintasan: what maliit version did you package/ [11:20] ? [11:20] 0.80 [11:20] there is 0.80.4 [11:20] Doesnt work [11:20] why nut? [11:20] dslogger: Did you seriously think I didn't try that at first? :P [11:20] Quintasan: Got it! It's View -> Message List -> Aggregation -> Thread Starters [11:20] git sez .4 is what is used on harmattan [11:22] dslogger: git sez but I can't compile it [11:23] I couldn't* [11:23] dslogger: built kdelibs yourself? [11:23] dslogger: and active? [11:23] dslogger: no [11:23] dslogger, are you already awake? [11:23] dslogger, go to bed! [11:23] rbelem: got packages from the plasma active branches? [11:24] dslogger: i thought they wouldn't give out tablets to all 180 people [11:24] so ... [11:25] dslogger: PM [11:25] yofel, yup [11:28] dslogger, may i ask yofel to take a look on those branches? [11:28] :-D [11:28] uh, I never touched mobile, but I can take a look later if you want ^^ [11:29] yofel, that's not so mobile centric [11:29] yofel, i just backported some patches and made some changes to the packages [11:30] rbelem: where are those branches? [11:32] yofel, https://code.launchpad.net/~rbelem [11:32] rbelem: sure [11:32] rbelem: the more the merrier or something [11:32] shadeslayer: them who registered early get one of course :P [11:33] shadeslayer, yofel: you should come to the tomahack apartment :P [11:33] wth [11:33] dslogger: huh? what happens there? :P [11:33] dslogger: me and bulldog are busy with active, later maybe [11:33] _Groo_ has tomahawk packages in his PPA btw. [11:34] yeah, but not up to date [11:35] shadeslayer: kubuntu tablet sprint, I am too tired to go to the uni [11:35] dslogger: but then i don't have a tablet to work on ;) [11:36] shadeslayer: you can get convinced to contribute to tomahawk meanwhile :P [11:36] hahaha [11:37] i don't think markey_nokialyze will be too happy with that :P [11:39] rbelem: are the patches going to break something in desktop kde? [11:40] yofel, nope [11:40] yofel, i'm testing them for days and no crashes [11:40] *i've been [11:41] you have not seen our plans for Amarok 3 yet :) [11:41] ah k, then I'll try to use your branch for our exopc test now then :) [11:41] * rbelem is getting english classes [11:41] good things to come [11:41] Amarok Move is on its way (mobile version) [11:41] and an Amarok Company [11:41] yofel, you will nee the share-like-connect that is in revu [11:42] you'd be surprised by how strong the Amarok brand still is. we will reposition the brand in the market [11:42] yofel, i'm about to upload a new package to there [11:42] k [11:43] rbelem: uh... do try to follow our patch naming though next time [11:45] yofel: hi have you noticed that I’m sitting next to you? [11:45] . . . [11:45] shadeslayer: hi over there :) [11:45] yofel, ok, sorry. i will do it the right way next time [11:45] :-) [11:46] rbelem: hi [11:46] ... [11:46] JontheEchidna: hi [11:46] good morning [11:47] you just missed something [11:47] :) [11:47] bulldog98, hi there :-) [11:47] rbelem: where are you? [11:47] bulldog98, manaus, in the middle of the amazon rain forest :-) [11:48] rbelem: ah ok, thought you would be in the middle of the city rain forest [11:49] aska Berlin [11:49] bulldog98, where are you all? :-) are you closer to each other? [11:49] bulldog98, :-D [11:49] sitting like right next to each other [11:49] rbelem: sitting next to each other in Berlin at the DS [11:49] shadeslayer: +1 [11:49] oh! [11:49] and yet we are talking on IRC [11:50] well, a pretty noisy cisco switch is seperating me and shadeslayer [11:50] i thought DS was already over [11:50] yeah [11:50] lol [11:50] hahah [11:50] shadeslayer: come over tho the right side [11:50] bulldog98: which side is that? :P [11:50] shadeslayer: use the force [11:50] * rbelem would like to be there with you all [11:50] dslogger ate up all my force [11:51] * dslogger undresses [11:51] dslogger: give it back [11:51] he is like evil with all his devices and such [11:51] shadeslayer: maybe we should take his devices [11:51] bulldog98: thats what i have been saying :P [11:52] rbelem: what's that FindQtMobility.cmake used for? [11:52] yofel: you need mobility for keyboard [11:52] BRRRRRRRRR [11:52] ah, it's in universe, so if you need that it'll need a MIR [11:53] yofel, i'm not sure if it is being used [11:53] well, it's not a kdelibs build-dep yet, so no problems there [11:53] rbelem: maliit is using it [11:53] yofel, but i think that it would be good to keep it there [11:53] Y U NO NICE POCKET WATCHES INTERNET? [11:54] ok, fine with me [11:54] Quintasan: what? [11:54] bulldog98, did you get maliit working? [11:54] I'm looking for a pocket watch [11:54] rbelem, bulldog98: uhm I have a package for that [11:54] Quintasan, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-mobile [11:54] rbelem: I wanted while in the Bof for it, but the dev didn’t show up [11:55] :-/ [11:55] >[quintasan] Package MeeGo software keyboard Maliit: TODO [11:55] :D [11:55] :-D [11:55] dslogger says it's b0rked [11:56] cause you packaged the wrong version for sure :P [11:56] lol [11:56] :/ [11:56]