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| ogra_ | #startmeeting | 15:08 |
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| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:08:36 2011 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 15:08 |
| meetingology | Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. | 15:08 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i dont have the urls handy, gimme a sec | 15:08 |
| ogra_ | grmbl | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110811 doesnt exist | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | so i only have action items from a week ago | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | i'll skip these for now ... | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | [topic] standing items | 15:11 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: standing items | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: standing items | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-beta-1.html | 15:11 |
| GrueMaster | try http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html | 15:12 |
| infinity | The first graph seems more broken than I remember it. | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i still have to update the WI tracker code to pick up the new name | 15:13 |
| * NCommander coughs a lng up | 15:13 | |
| NCommander | *lung | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | i guess that causes the weird graphs ... bear with me, its on my todo for after mx5 and ac100 have landed | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, do you remember any action items from last week ? (there was no wikipage and i dont remember them) | 15:14 |
| NCommander | ogra_: there's a wikipage, I sent the link out in the reminder email | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | anyway.... | 15:14 |
| ogra_ | [action] ogra to update WI tracker with new team name | 15:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ogra to update WI tracker with new team name | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | 15:15 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | 15:15 |
| NCommander | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110811 | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | oh whay is that arm now | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | the others are all at /MobileTeam/Meeting/ | 15:15 |
| NCommander | Because all the wiki pages were rearranged | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | up to last week | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | k | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | anyway, how is the server looking ? | 15:16 |
| NCommander | Server images themselves work pretty well, though I found a bug that occurs duringnetwork setup if you don't have internet access | 15:17 |
| infinity | That's unique to ARM? | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | how was the LCX summit wrt arm stuff ? | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | *LXC | 15:17 |
| NCommander | LXC is semi-foobared on omap4 due to kernel configuration issues, but a new kernel was uploaded yesterday to help to resolve it | 15:17 |
| NCommander | I'll be confirming LXC works out of the box when I can stop hacking up a lung | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | funny that these werent taken over from .38 | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | iirc all these options were enabled in .38 already | 15:18 |
| infinity | ogra_: .38 had the same missing bits. | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | just because the USER_NS bug was fix released already | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | anything else for server ? | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | moving on | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) | 15:20 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | neither is here | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | anyone else got something for kernel (apart from the above wrt server) | 15:20 |
| janimo | should upload the linaro mx kernel today | 15:20 |
| janimo | sponsor it for linaro | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | mahmoh is constantly cpmplaining that we have no omap4 srever flavour | 15:21 |
| GrueMaster | I ran into a snag with ipsec because of missing kernel bits. | 15:21 |
| GrueMaster | Should be fixed with latest kernel upload. | 15:21 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:21 |
| infinity | I'm not convinced we need a -server kernel for a product that's essential a proof-of-concept, but... | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | davidm, do we have any plans to make kernel teams life harder this release with an -omap4-server kernel ? | 15:22 |
| GrueMaster | If omap4 were a server product, I would see where having a server kernel would be nice. | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i agree | 15:22 |
| davidm | ogra_, I do not have any such plans | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | good :) | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | anything else for kernel ? | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | moving on | 15:23 |
| davidm | yep | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:23 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | the ftbfs list looks awful | 15:23 |
| janimo | nothing to report aside from the occasional givebacks to LP | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | i nearly fell off my chair today when i checked it | 15:23 |
| janimo | ogra_, hmm it seemed to me it was usual | 15:23 |
| * janimo checks again | 15:23 | |
| infinity | Yeah, now that we're (well, sometime today) in FeatureFreeze, I'm jumping into FTBFS head-first. | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | wasnt someone looking into ocaml three weeks ago ? | 15:23 |
| janimo | more than one person. NCommander and linaro gcc folk | 15:24 |
| infinity | NCommander was poking ocaml with a pointy stick. | 15:24 |
| infinity | And if/when that gets fixed, we can clean up a lot of our mess. | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | might have left some holes ... but no fix :) | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:24 |
| janimo | emacs is not ARM specific but just happened to be a timing issue, likewise is server team. libvirt is new FTBFS | 15:25 |
| NCommander | I made some progress with ocaml but no fix | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah, and libvirt is weird | 15:25 |
| janimo | any progress with the panda cluster? That would also clean up the list quite a bit | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | cjwatson came by in #ubuntu-arm asking about it ... i tried a local build and that fails in even earlier tests | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | so another pair of eyes on libvirt would be appreciated | 15:26 |
| janimo | ogra_, I'll take a look at libvirt if noone else got it | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | and probably a build with the last change rolled back to see if its introduced through that (which i think is unlikely) | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | [action] janimo to look at libvirt after FF | 15:26 |
| meetingology | ACTION: janimo to look at libvirt after FF | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | anything else ? | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | moving on | 15:27 |
| * janimo bets on gcc | 15:27 | |
| ogra_ | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:27 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | awful ! | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | the livefs builders committed suicide, x86 had livecd-rootfs removed and the archive is totally out of sync | 15:28 |
| davidm | Ouch | 15:28 |
| infinity | Yeah, the word of the day is "special". | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | i was (trying to) working on the ac100 iamges ssince monday but instead of coding i'm actiually fighting the archive churn | 15:29 |
| infinity | But none of the special is ARM-specific. | 15:29 |
| NCommander | least A3 was last week | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | infinity, the chrun is ports specific as usual | 15:29 |
| cjwatson | livecd-rootfs has been put back, FWIW, and measures taken to stop that happening again | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | and it gets really annoying that i have to spend three days on the archive to actually be able to produce 1-2h of code work | 15:30 |
| GrueMaster | That might explain why my mirror decided to puke. | 15:30 |
| infinity | ogra_: Well, the unity churn was an issue (and I smacked that until it got fixed), but the ubuntu-one screwup was out of our hands, for instance. And the livecd-rootfs thing. | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | I'm afraid to say that *somebody* has to spend that time on the archive at some point or stuff doesn't get fixed, in aggregate ... | 15:30 |
| ogra_ | infinity, well, the ubuntuone breakage was fixed with a seed change and meta upload | 15:31 |
| ogra_ | i was just to frustrated yesterday to actually do it, but it should be solved now | 15:31 |
| infinity | ogra_: Oh, they don't intend to reintroduce the gnome client? The changelog seemed to indicate differently. | 15:31 |
| infinity | Grr. | 15:31 |
| ogra_ | i dont care | 15:31 |
| infinity | cjwatson: *nod* | 15:31 |
| ogra_ | if it comes back i'll happily seed it again | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | FWIW you didn't actually have to change the seeds - rebuilding ubuntu-meta would have sufficed | 15:32 |
| ogra_ | but really, we need to get that archive skew thing fixed, thats why i'm moaning | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | and that would mean it would automatically revert if the package is reintroduced | 15:32 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Rebuilding meta would have dropped ubuntuone entirely, if it was being pulled in by the non-existant package. | 15:32 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | true | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | but ogra's seed change was *only* to comment out ubuntuone-client-gnome | 15:33 |
| infinity | Oh. :) | 15:33 |
| ogra_ | anyway, i think we are burning lots of manhours fighting the archive issues every release ... just felt like mentioning it once again | 15:33 |
| infinity | Yeah, I didn't look. | 15:33 |
| cjwatson | for future reference rebuilding ubuntu-meta would've been enough | 15:33 |
| infinity | ogra_: Now that we're past FF, I'll be keeping a closer eye on archive stuff for us. | 15:34 |
| infinity | Well, almost past. Whatever. | 15:34 |
| ogra_ | infinity, and how would that help ? | 15:34 |
| * infinity looks at a clock. | 15:34 | |
| ogra_ | you cant remove the sync issues | 15:34 |
| infinity | ogra_: Because catching things as they're a problem is much better than letting them stack up for two days and become an unresolvable mess? | 15:34 |
| ogra_ | sure, but thats just curing the symptoms (as we do since 3 years) | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | anyway | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | lets move | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | unless anyone else has something for image | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | moving on | 15:35 |
| ogra_ | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:35 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster) | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 15:35 |
| GrueMaster | Landscape testing works well. Running the qa entropy script now, expect results in two weeks. | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | heh | 15:36 |
| infinity | Plug in a keyboard and hire a cat to walk on it. | 15:36 |
| GrueMaster | My mirror is slowly being rebuilt, so until it finishes I can't do much automation. | 15:36 |
| janimo | so much entropy from that rsync activity going to waste | 15:37 |
| GrueMaster | The entropy test is a server workitem. | 15:37 |
| GrueMaster | Will look into iSCSI or LAVA today. Haven't decided which will be more exciting. | 15:38 |
| GrueMaster | Especially given that I can't reimage with netinstall atm. | 15:38 |
| GrueMaster | Nothing else to report. | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | any questions ? else i'll move to AOB | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | moving on | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | [topic] AOB | 15:40 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: AOB | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | so seeing #linaro there are some changes ahead for us | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | seems x-loader gets dropped | 15:40 |
| janimo | from where? | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | which means we need to adjust the image builders | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | janimo, by linaro | 15:41 |
| janimo | can omap boot without it? | 15:41 |
| GrueMaster | What are they replacing it with? | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | they roll a u-boot that can run without x-loader | 15:41 |
| GrueMaster | ah | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | see #linaro for further info ... | 15:41 |
| janimo | getting rid of software wothout losing features is good | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | i just felt that fits into AOB :) | 15:41 |
| janimo | first time I hear about it | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | me too | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | just wanted to mention that debian-cd will need adjustment | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | and jasper probably too | 15:42 |
| GrueMaster | It will be interesting to see if it works. | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | thats all from my side | 15:42 |
| janimo | ah getting rid of the debian package for xloader | 15:42 |
| janimo | but still need MLO on the disk | 15:42 |
| GrueMaster | Considering the 2nd stage needs to fit in 64k and u-boot is 227k. | 15:42 |
| janimo | I was hoping they found a way to not use a bootloader to load a bootloader to load a bootloader as now | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | there is a solution | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | you can add a binary header to the u-boot binary | 15:43 |
| GrueMaster | Oh. They're combining x-loader & u-boot into one package with 2 binaries? Make sense. | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | there are some docs on omappedia about that | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | anyway, no need to discuss details in the meeting, we just need to make the builder changes at the same time the package change | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | and it looks like that will happen after FF | 15:44 |
| janimo | are they planning it in the oneiric timeframe? | 15:44 |
| janimo | ok | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | there was talk about an FFe | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | anything else ? | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:44 |
| ogra_ | . | 15:44 |
| janimo | interesting conqequences of having 6 months vs 1 month release cycles project working on similar things :) | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | going once | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | twice .... | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | ... sold to the dogowning QA guy in portland | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology is the new Mootbot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 15:45:53 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-11-15.08.moin.txt | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | ogra_: are those minutes in a useful format for you? | 15:48 |
| ogra_ | AlanBell, let me see | 15:48 |
| ogra_ | AlanBell, awesome ! | 15:49 |
| AlanBell | the theory is that it should be copy-paste-done to the wiki | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | yeah, looks great | 15:50 |
| czajkowski | ogra_: less work for you :) | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | yep :) | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | well, i normally dont run this meeting, but NCommander fell over in a fever ... | 15:55 |
| charlie-tca | Sure NCommander didn't just want a break from running the meeting? ;) | 15:55 |
| * NCommander smacks charlie-tca | 15:56 | |
| charlie-tca | ouch! | 15:56 |
| czajkowski | ogra_: good practice for next months meeting and gimmie a break :) | 15:57 |
| ogra_ | yeah, and the CC meeting is right afterwards | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | ah, no there is one before | 15:58 |
| czajkowski | ogra_: better make it finish on time so | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | well, the one i mean is actually coming thu. | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | err | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | tue. | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | (these T days ... always confusing) | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | See, even coughing up the lung doesn't slow NCommander down :) | 15:59 |
| ogra_ | but it quietens him a bit (its hard to speak witgh your lung between your lips) | 16:00 |
| czajkowski | ogra_: you're so caring | 16:00 |
| ogra_ | thats what team mates are for, no *g* | 16:00 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: seen the new #voters command? | 16:05 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: i can barely see in front of me, so not atm. will scroll logs in a wee bit | 16:05 |
| czajkowski | once i find food and get out of suit into jeans and hoodie | 16:06 |
| AlanBell | it isn't in the logs | 16:06 |
| AlanBell | go have yummy food | 16:06 |
| charlie-tca | AlanBell: are the commands someplace? | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | yeah, they are as they always were, with a couple of extras | 16:12 |
| AlanBell | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot | 16:13 |
| AlanBell | I will move that page to /meetingology or something I think, and take my name out of the links the bot gives at the start and end of the meeting | 16:14 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 16:25 |
| kees | o/ | 17:59 |
| nijaba | wendar and nijaba are available if any questions arrises on the proposed policy | 17:59 |
| nijaba | o/ | 17:59 |
| cjwatson | o/ | 18:00 |
| cjwatson | do we have quorum? | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | pitti sent apologies | 18:01 |
| cjwatson | mdz: around? | 18:01 |
| mdz | cjwatson, yes | 18:02 |
| cjwatson | hi Keybuk | 18:03 |
| cjwatson | we have kees and mdz too | 18:03 |
| cjwatson | pitti is at the desktop summit and sent apologies; I believe sabdfl is at the summit too so maybe he won't be around | 18:03 |
| kees | it's all you Keybuk :) | 18:05 |
| Keybuk | #startmeeting | 18:05 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Aug 11 18:05:49 2011 UTC. The chair is Keybuk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 18:05 |
| meetingology | Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. | 18:05 |
| Keybuk | #topic Action Rview | 18:05 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Action Rview | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: Action Rview | 18:05 |
| Keybuk | Set series RM to ubuntu-release (cjwatson) | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 | 18:06 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 174375 in Launchpad itself "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | done? | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | yes! | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | at long last | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | Brainstorm review update (cjwatson) | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | not done :-( | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | Send notes on the Extension Repository Policy proposal (everyone) | 18:06 |
| Keybuk | did this mean the Partner repository? | 18:07 |
| Keybuk | or something else/ | 18:07 |
| kees | i failed at this, but mdz had good things to say | 18:07 |
| kees | it's the merged partner and extras policy | 18:07 |
| Keybuk | I don't think I've seen that | 18:07 |
| wendar | I've updated the proposal to the latest from the technical-board mailing list thread. | 18:07 |
| mdz | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-August/001007.html | 18:08 |
| kees | there has been a thread about it on the tb list | 18:08 |
| mdz | all of the issues I raised have been addressed | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | mdz: right, that's the thread I meant by "the Partner repository" | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | we have a separate agenda item for that | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | so | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | [TOPIC] Policy proposal for extensions repository | 18:08 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Policy proposal for extensions repository | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: Policy proposal for extensions repository | 18:08 |
| mdz | Keybuk, extension = partner + ARB + ...? | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartnerRepositoryPolicy | 18:08 |
| Keybuk | so all of mdz' | 18:09 |
| Keybuk | s issues have been addressed | 18:09 |
| mdz | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartnerRepositoryPolicy | 18:09 |
| Keybuk | did anyone else have issues with the policy? | 18:09 |
| mdz | it was just updated today with the changes discussed | 18:10 |
| cjwatson | some of the rules are unnecessary (we already have transitive closure rules for the components of the Ubuntu archive proper), but no matter | 18:10 |
| mdz | is anyone NOT prepared to vote on it today? | 18:11 |
| cjwatson | I'm happy that the set of differences are proportionate to what these repositories need, and that they aren't unreasonably hard for archive admins to enforce | 18:11 |
| cjwatson | if approved, it should be linked from the archive admin docs and archive admins should be made aware of it | 18:11 |
| kees | I'm happy with it. I'd love to see a "nice to have" area (e.g. "built with ubuntu's compiler"), but I don't think there is really a place for that | 18:12 |
| Keybuk | I think, given the resounding silence, and given the healthy ML thread, we should go ahead and vote | 18:12 |
| mdz | I'm conscious that this was first proposed in May | 18:12 |
| Keybuk | [VOTE] Policy proposal for extensions repository | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Policy proposal for extensions repository | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 18:12 |
| mdz | +1 | 18:12 |
| meetingology | +1 received from mdz | 18:12 |
| cjwatson | +1 | 18:12 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cjwatson | 18:12 |
| Keybuk | +1 | 18:12 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Keybuk | 18:12 |
| kees | +1 | 18:12 |
| meetingology | +1 received from kees | 18:12 |
| Keybuk | #endvote | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Policy proposal for extensions repository | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 18:12 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 18:12 |
| * nijaba thanks the board | 18:12 | |
| * wendar too | 18:13 | |
| kees | thanks nijaba and wendar ! | 18:13 |
| mdz | nijaba, wendar, sorry it took so long to get here | 18:13 |
| Keybuk | nijaba: thank you for your work on this | 18:13 |
| nijaba | Keybuk: wendar did help a lot too :) | 18:14 |
| Keybuk | ok, | 18:14 |
| Keybuk | [TOPIC] AOB? | 18:14 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB? | ||
| meetingology | TOPIC: AOB? | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | I have one small item | 18:15 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: go for it | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | I'm also checking with Mark in his capacity as my employer, but figured I'd ask the board as well | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | at DebConf, Stefano and Bdale asked if I'd like to serve on the Debian Technical Committee | 18:15 |
| cjwatson | I'm minded to accept, but would like to check that nobody on the TB feels this is any kind of conflict | 18:16 |
| mdz | do you anticipate the tech-ctte becoming more active? | 18:16 |
| mdz | hmm, looking at the archives, maybe it already is | 18:17 |
| kees | I have trouble imagining a direct conflict. seems like it would be bebficial. might be more work than expected since we sometimes move items from here to tech-ctte | 18:17 |
| cjwatson | it's active in the sense that it responds in a reasonably timely fashion nowadays | 18:17 |
| kees | *beneficial | 18:17 |
| mdz | I could imagine situations where you would want to abstain from certain decisions in either role | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | there are limits to how active it can be in some senses since its role is laid down in the Debian constitution; for example the constitution says that it does not do technical design | 18:18 |
| mdz | but no conflict of interest in occpying it | 18:18 |
| Keybuk | speaking as somebody who serves in a technical capacity on two competing Linux distributions already, I don't see a conflict | 18:18 |
| kees | true, but I think that almost stems more from being a dev than a board member | 18:18 |
| cjwatson | but Bdale did say he was looking for somebody who would be able to help drive discussions forward, and a wider range of experience | 18:19 |
| cjwatson | I think the activity level of the TC is such that I can manage that | 18:19 |
| cjwatson | there was some discussion at DebConf, so interested people may like to review the video of that session | 18:20 |
| Keybuk | cjwatson: though I do worry that when you do burnout from taking on too much, the resulting explosion could end all life on this planet | 18:20 |
| cjwatson | I agree that there are cases where abstentions would be needed, although I haven't seen any such in recent activity | 18:20 |
| kees | how do people get onto the TC? appointment? | 18:20 |
| cjwatson | appointment by DPL + existing TC | 18:21 |
| kees | yeah, I'd say go for it as long as you don't think you'll be spread too thin | 18:22 |
| cjwatson | at the very least I must admit it's gratifying to be asked :) | 18:22 |
| mdz | +1 | 18:22 |
| cjwatson | so ok, thanks for the feedback folks, I'll try to get hold of Mark once he's back from his travels | 18:22 |
| Keybuk | great | 18:22 |
| Keybuk | mdz: I believe you're next chair in alphabetical rotation? | 18:23 |
| * mdz nods | 18:23 | |
| Keybuk | great | 18:24 |
| Keybuk | then if there's nothing else ... | 18:24 |
| mdz | Keybuk, agenda will be empty following this meeting, yes? | 18:24 |
| Keybuk | mdz: it will, but I still can't edit the wiki, so if you could clear it ... | 18:24 |
| mdz | I think that's our first "zero moment" in a while | 18:24 |
| mdz | so, yay | 18:24 |
| mdz | cjwatson, do you need help with the brainstorm review? | 18:25 |
| mdz | unfortunately I can't offer myself at present | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | no, I just had to put a lot of stuff on hold while away in the Balkans | 18:25 |
| Keybuk | #endmeeting | 18:25 |
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| cjwatson | and then there was feature freeze | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | I'll be able to take care of this early next week | 18:25 |
| cjwatson | I realise I'm late, sorry | 18:26 |
| mdz | cool | 18:26 |
| mdz | thanks Keybuk | 18:26 |
| kees | thanks! | 18:26 |
| Keybuk | oh, wow, I can login to the wiki now - it just took 7 minutes to complete the login | 18:28 |
| Keybuk | agenda updated :) | 18:28 |
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| duanedesign | hello all | 23:12 |
| duanedesign | PabloRubianes: meeting know? | 23:12 |
| PabloRubianes | hi duanedesign | 23:13 |
| PabloRubianes | I think it's in 45 min | 23:13 |
| duanedesign | when of | 23:13 |
| PabloRubianes | right? or my date -u is lying | 23:13 |
| duanedesign | whew of | 23:13 |
| jledbetter | PabloRubianes, I think so | 23:13 |
| duanedesign | thanks you jledbetter | 23:14 |
| * jledbetter checks fridge cal | 23:14 | |
| jledbetter | Yep! | 23:14 |
| duanedesign | mw goes to get rfamiliar with the bots commands | 23:14 |
| jledbetter | heh | 23:14 |
| PabloRubianes | hehe | 23:15 |
| duanedesign | amyone have alink lol | 23:16 |
| duanedesign | nigelb: maybe :) | 23:17 |
| duanedesign | ok i got it :) | 23:19 |
| jledbetter | duanedesign, One in topic | 23:19 |
| jledbetter | oh ok :) | 23:19 |
| duanedesign | lol that is prbabaly it :) | 23:20 |
| duanedesign | has any of the BEginners Team had a chance to look though the proposat Crales made | 23:23 |
| PabloRubianes | duanedesign, are you sober? | 23:24 |
| jledbetter | lol | 23:24 |
| PabloRubianes | :P | 23:24 |
| charlie-tca | duanedesign: bot stuff - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot | 23:24 |
| AlanBell | that is just the new commands really | 23:26 |
| AlanBell | it is #startmeeting and #endmeeting at either end | 23:26 |
| AlanBell | and #topic foo to change topics | 23:26 |
| jledbetter | duanedesign, Yes. Read the sandbox link from cprofitt | 23:27 |
| AlanBell | and #action nick stuff to do to give someone an action | 23:27 |
| duanedesign | PabloRubianes: i wonder. I had a glass a wine at dinner which I do not do. Fortunately it only degrades my typing skills :) | 23:33 |
| jledbetter | Hehe | 23:33 |
| duanedesign | my typing skills are my achellis heel antway | 23:34 |
| duanedesign | see! anyway* | 23:34 |
| charlie-tca | You need one of the "spelling knowing" apps. | 23:35 |
| PabloRubianes | duanedesign, ahhahaha | 23:38 |
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