=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === yofel_ is now known as yofel === doko_ is now known as doko [15:08] #startmeeting [15:08] Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:08:36 2011 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:08] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [15:08] hmm, i dont have the urls handy, gimme a sec [15:10] grmbl [15:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110811 doesnt exist [15:10] so i only have action items from a week ago [15:11] i'll skip these for now ... [15:11] [topic] standing items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: standing items [15:11] TOPIC: standing items [15:11] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [15:11] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-beta-1.html [15:12] try http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html [15:12] The first graph seems more broken than I remember it. [15:13] hmm, i still have to update the WI tracker code to pick up the new name [15:13] * NCommander coughs a lng up [15:13] *lung [15:13] i guess that causes the weird graphs ... bear with me, its on my todo for after mx5 and ac100 have landed [15:14] NCommander, do you remember any action items from last week ? (there was no wikipage and i dont remember them) [15:14] ogra_: there's a wikipage, I sent the link out in the reminder email [15:14] anyway.... [15:15] [action] ogra to update WI tracker with new team name [15:15] ACTION: ogra to update WI tracker with new team name [15:15] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:15] TOPIC: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110811 [15:15] oh whay is that arm now [15:15] the others are all at /MobileTeam/Meeting/ [15:15] Because all the wiki pages were rearranged [15:15] up to last week [15:16] k [15:16] anyway, how is the server looking ? [15:17] Server images themselves work pretty well, though I found a bug that occurs duringnetwork setup if you don't have internet access [15:17] That's unique to ARM? [15:17] how was the LCX summit wrt arm stuff ? [15:17] *LXC [15:17] LXC is semi-foobared on omap4 due to kernel configuration issues, but a new kernel was uploaded yesterday to help to resolve it [15:17] I'll be confirming LXC works out of the box when I can stop hacking up a lung [15:17] funny that these werent taken over from .38 [15:18] iirc all these options were enabled in .38 already [15:18] ogra_: .38 had the same missing bits. [15:18] ah, k [15:18] just because the USER_NS bug was fix released already [15:19] anything else for server ? [15:19] . [15:19] . [15:20] . [15:20] moving on [15:20] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:20] TOPIC: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:20] neither is here [15:20] anyone else got something for kernel (apart from the above wrt server) [15:20] should upload the linaro mx kernel today [15:21] sponsor it for linaro [15:21] mahmoh is constantly cpmplaining that we have no omap4 srever flavour [15:21] I ran into a snag with ipsec because of missing kernel bits. [15:21] Should be fixed with latest kernel upload. [15:21] yeah [15:22] I'm not convinced we need a -server kernel for a product that's essential a proof-of-concept, but... [15:22] davidm, do we have any plans to make kernel teams life harder this release with an -omap4-server kernel ? [15:22] If omap4 were a server product, I would see where having a server kernel would be nice. [15:22] infinity, i agree [15:22] ogra_, I do not have any such plans [15:22] good :) [15:22] anything else for kernel ? [15:22] . [15:22] . [15:23] . [15:23] moving on [15:23] yep [15:23] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:23] TOPIC: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:23] the ftbfs list looks awful [15:23] nothing to report aside from the occasional givebacks to LP [15:23] i nearly fell off my chair today when i checked it [15:23] ogra_, hmm it seemed to me it was usual [15:23] * janimo checks again [15:23] Yeah, now that we're (well, sometime today) in FeatureFreeze, I'm jumping into FTBFS head-first. [15:23] wasnt someone looking into ocaml three weeks ago ? [15:24] more than one person. NCommander and linaro gcc folk [15:24] NCommander was poking ocaml with a pointy stick. [15:24] And if/when that gets fixed, we can clean up a lot of our mess. [15:24] might have left some holes ... but no fix :) [15:24] right [15:25] emacs is not ARM specific but just happened to be a timing issue, likewise is server team. libvirt is new FTBFS [15:25] I made some progress with ocaml but no fix [15:25] yeah, and libvirt is weird [15:25] any progress with the panda cluster? That would also clean up the list quite a bit [15:25] cjwatson came by in #ubuntu-arm asking about it ... i tried a local build and that fails in even earlier tests [15:26] so another pair of eyes on libvirt would be appreciated [15:26] ogra_, I'll take a look at libvirt if noone else got it [15:26] and probably a build with the last change rolled back to see if its introduced through that (which i think is unlikely) [15:26] [action] janimo to look at libvirt after FF [15:26] ACTION: janimo to look at libvirt after FF [15:27] anything else ? [15:27] . [15:27] . [15:27] . [15:27] moving on [15:27] * janimo bets on gcc [15:27] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:27] TOPIC: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:27] awful ! [15:28] the livefs builders committed suicide, x86 had livecd-rootfs removed and the archive is totally out of sync [15:28] Ouch [15:29] Yeah, the word of the day is "special". [15:29] i was (trying to) working on the ac100 iamges ssince monday but instead of coding i'm actiually fighting the archive churn [15:29] But none of the special is ARM-specific. [15:29] least A3 was last week [15:29] infinity, the chrun is ports specific as usual [15:29] livecd-rootfs has been put back, FWIW, and measures taken to stop that happening again [15:30] and it gets really annoying that i have to spend three days on the archive to actually be able to produce 1-2h of code work [15:30] That might explain why my mirror decided to puke. [15:30] ogra_: Well, the unity churn was an issue (and I smacked that until it got fixed), but the ubuntu-one screwup was out of our hands, for instance. And the livecd-rootfs thing. [15:30] I'm afraid to say that *somebody* has to spend that time on the archive at some point or stuff doesn't get fixed, in aggregate ... [15:31] infinity, well, the ubuntuone breakage was fixed with a seed change and meta upload [15:31] i was just to frustrated yesterday to actually do it, but it should be solved now [15:31] ogra_: Oh, they don't intend to reintroduce the gnome client? The changelog seemed to indicate differently. [15:31] Grr. [15:31] i dont care [15:31] cjwatson: *nod* [15:31] if it comes back i'll happily seed it again [15:32] FWIW you didn't actually have to change the seeds - rebuilding ubuntu-meta would have sufficed [15:32] but really, we need to get that archive skew thing fixed, thats why i'm moaning [15:32] and that would mean it would automatically revert if the package is reintroduced [15:32] cjwatson: Rebuilding meta would have dropped ubuntuone entirely, if it was being pulled in by the non-existant package. [15:32] indeed [15:32] true [15:33] but ogra's seed change was *only* to comment out ubuntuone-client-gnome [15:33] Oh. :) [15:33] anyway, i think we are burning lots of manhours fighting the archive issues every release ... just felt like mentioning it once again [15:33] Yeah, I didn't look. [15:33] for future reference rebuilding ubuntu-meta would've been enough [15:34] ogra_: Now that we're past FF, I'll be keeping a closer eye on archive stuff for us. [15:34] Well, almost past. Whatever. [15:34] infinity, and how would that help ? [15:34] * infinity looks at a clock. [15:34] you cant remove the sync issues [15:34] ogra_: Because catching things as they're a problem is much better than letting them stack up for two days and become an unresolvable mess? [15:35] sure, but thats just curing the symptoms (as we do since 3 years) [15:35] anyway [15:35] lets move [15:35] unless anyone else has something for image [15:35] . [15:35] . [15:35] . [15:35] moving on [15:35] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:35] TOPIC: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:36] Landscape testing works well. Running the qa entropy script now, expect results in two weeks. [15:36] heh [15:36] Plug in a keyboard and hire a cat to walk on it. [15:36] My mirror is slowly being rebuilt, so until it finishes I can't do much automation. [15:37] so much entropy from that rsync activity going to waste [15:37] The entropy test is a server workitem. [15:38] Will look into iSCSI or LAVA today. Haven't decided which will be more exciting. [15:38] Especially given that I can't reimage with netinstall atm. [15:39] Nothing else to report. [15:39] any questions ? else i'll move to AOB [15:40] . [15:40] . [15:40] . [15:40] moving on [15:40] [topic] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:40] TOPIC: AOB [15:40] so seeing #linaro there are some changes ahead for us [15:40] seems x-loader gets dropped [15:40] from where? [15:40] which means we need to adjust the image builders [15:41] janimo, by linaro [15:41] can omap boot without it? [15:41] What are they replacing it with? [15:41] they roll a u-boot that can run without x-loader [15:41] ah [15:41] see #linaro for further info ... [15:41] getting rid of software wothout losing features is good [15:41] i just felt that fits into AOB :) [15:41] first time I hear about it [15:41] me too [15:42] just wanted to mention that debian-cd will need adjustment [15:42] and jasper probably too [15:42] It will be interesting to see if it works. [15:42] thats all from my side [15:42] ah getting rid of the debian package for xloader [15:42] but still need MLO on the disk [15:42] Considering the 2nd stage needs to fit in 64k and u-boot is 227k. [15:42] I was hoping they found a way to not use a bootloader to load a bootloader to load a bootloader as now [15:43] there is a solution [15:43] you can add a binary header to the u-boot binary [15:43] Oh. They're combining x-loader & u-boot into one package with 2 binaries? Make sense. [15:43] there are some docs on omappedia about that [15:44] anyway, no need to discuss details in the meeting, we just need to make the builder changes at the same time the package change [15:44] and it looks like that will happen after FF [15:44] are they planning it in the oneiric timeframe? [15:44] ok [15:44] yeah [15:44] there was talk about an FFe [15:44] anything else ? [15:44] . [15:44] . [15:44] . [15:45] interesting conqequences of having 6 months vs 1 month release cycles project working on similar things :) [15:45] heh, yeah [15:45] going once [15:45] twice .... [15:45] ... sold to the dogowning QA guy in portland [15:45] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology is the new Mootbot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot [15:45] Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 15:45:53 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) [15:45] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-11-15.08.moin.txt [15:48] ogra_: are those minutes in a useful format for you? [15:48] AlanBell, let me see [15:49] AlanBell, awesome ! [15:50] the theory is that it should be copy-paste-done to the wiki [15:50] yeah, looks great [15:54] ogra_: less work for you :) [15:54] yep :) [15:55] well, i normally dont run this meeting, but NCommander fell over in a fever ... [15:55] Sure NCommander didn't just want a break from running the meeting? ;) [15:56] * NCommander smacks charlie-tca [15:56] ouch! [15:57] ogra_: good practice for next months meeting and gimmie a break :) [15:58] yeah, and the CC meeting is right afterwards [15:58] ah, no there is one before [15:58] ogra_: better make it finish on time so [15:58] well, the one i mean is actually coming thu. [15:58] err [15:59] tue. [15:59] (these T days ... always confusing) [15:59] See, even coughing up the lung doesn't slow NCommander down :) [16:00] but it quietens him a bit (its hard to speak witgh your lung between your lips) [16:00] ogra_: you're so caring [16:00] thats what team mates are for, no *g* [16:05] czajkowski: seen the new #voters command? [16:05] AlanBell: i can barely see in front of me, so not atm. will scroll logs in a wee bit [16:06] once i find food and get out of suit into jeans and hoodie [16:06] it isn't in the logs [16:06] go have yummy food [16:09] AlanBell: are the commands someplace? [16:12] yeah, they are as they always were, with a couple of extras [16:13] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot [16:14] I will move that page to /meetingology or something I think, and take my name out of the links the bot gives at the start and end of the meeting [16:25] Thank you [17:59] o/ [17:59] wendar and nijaba are available if any questions arrises on the proposed policy [17:59] o/ [18:00] o/ [18:01] do we have quorum? [18:01] pitti sent apologies [18:01] mdz: around? [18:02] cjwatson, yes [18:03] hi Keybuk [18:03] we have kees and mdz too [18:03] pitti is at the desktop summit and sent apologies; I believe sabdfl is at the summit too so maybe he won't be around [18:05] it's all you Keybuk :) [18:05] #startmeeting [18:05] Meeting started Thu Aug 11 18:05:49 2011 UTC. The chair is Keybuk. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [18:05] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [18:05] #topic Action Rview === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Action Rview [18:05] TOPIC: Action Rview [18:06] Set series RM to ubuntu-release (cjwatson) [18:06] [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 [18:06] Ubuntu bug 174375 in Launchpad itself "Distribution drivers permissions may need redesign" [Low,Triaged] [18:06] done? [18:06] yes! [18:06] at long last [18:06] Brainstorm review update (cjwatson) [18:06] not done :-( [18:06] Send notes on the Extension Repository Policy proposal (everyone) [18:07] did this mean the Partner repository? [18:07] or something else/ [18:07] i failed at this, but mdz had good things to say [18:07] it's the merged partner and extras policy [18:07] I don't think I've seen that [18:07] I've updated the proposal to the latest from the technical-board mailing list thread. [18:08] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-August/001007.html [18:08] there has been a thread about it on the tb list [18:08] all of the issues I raised have been addressed [18:08] mdz: right, that's the thread I meant by "the Partner repository" [18:08] we have a separate agenda item for that [18:08] so [18:08] [TOPIC] Policy proposal for extensions repository === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Policy proposal for extensions repository [18:08] TOPIC: Policy proposal for extensions repository [18:08] Keybuk, extension = partner + ARB + ...? [18:08] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartnerRepositoryPolicy [18:09] so all of mdz' [18:09] s issues have been addressed [18:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PartnerRepositoryPolicy [18:09] did anyone else have issues with the policy? [18:10] it was just updated today with the changes discussed [18:10] some of the rules are unnecessary (we already have transitive closure rules for the components of the Ubuntu archive proper), but no matter [18:11] is anyone NOT prepared to vote on it today? [18:11] I'm happy that the set of differences are proportionate to what these repositories need, and that they aren't unreasonably hard for archive admins to enforce [18:11] if approved, it should be linked from the archive admin docs and archive admins should be made aware of it [18:12] I'm happy with it. I'd love to see a "nice to have" area (e.g. "built with ubuntu's compiler"), but I don't think there is really a place for that [18:12] I think, given the resounding silence, and given the healthy ML thread, we should go ahead and vote [18:12] I'm conscious that this was first proposed in May [18:12] [VOTE] Policy proposal for extensions repository [18:12] Please vote on: Policy proposal for extensions repository [18:12] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [18:12] +1 [18:12] +1 received from mdz [18:12] +1 [18:12] +1 received from cjwatson [18:12] +1 [18:12] +1 received from Keybuk [18:12] +1 [18:12] +1 received from kees [18:12] #endvote [18:12] Voting ended on: Policy proposal for extensions repository [18:12] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [18:12] Motion carried [18:12] * nijaba thanks the board [18:13] * wendar too [18:13] thanks nijaba and wendar ! [18:13] nijaba, wendar, sorry it took so long to get here [18:13] nijaba: thank you for your work on this [18:14] Keybuk: wendar did help a lot too :) [18:14] ok, [18:14] [TOPIC] AOB? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB? [18:14] TOPIC: AOB? [18:15] I have one small item [18:15] cjwatson: go for it [18:15] I'm also checking with Mark in his capacity as my employer, but figured I'd ask the board as well [18:15] at DebConf, Stefano and Bdale asked if I'd like to serve on the Debian Technical Committee [18:16] I'm minded to accept, but would like to check that nobody on the TB feels this is any kind of conflict [18:16] do you anticipate the tech-ctte becoming more active? [18:17] hmm, looking at the archives, maybe it already is [18:17] I have trouble imagining a direct conflict. seems like it would be bebficial. might be more work than expected since we sometimes move items from here to tech-ctte [18:17] it's active in the sense that it responds in a reasonably timely fashion nowadays [18:17] *beneficial [18:18] I could imagine situations where you would want to abstain from certain decisions in either role [18:18] there are limits to how active it can be in some senses since its role is laid down in the Debian constitution; for example the constitution says that it does not do technical design [18:18] but no conflict of interest in occpying it [18:18] speaking as somebody who serves in a technical capacity on two competing Linux distributions already, I don't see a conflict [18:18] true, but I think that almost stems more from being a dev than a board member [18:19] but Bdale did say he was looking for somebody who would be able to help drive discussions forward, and a wider range of experience [18:19] I think the activity level of the TC is such that I can manage that [18:20] there was some discussion at DebConf, so interested people may like to review the video of that session [18:20] cjwatson: though I do worry that when you do burnout from taking on too much, the resulting explosion could end all life on this planet [18:20] I agree that there are cases where abstentions would be needed, although I haven't seen any such in recent activity [18:20] how do people get onto the TC? appointment? [18:21] appointment by DPL + existing TC [18:22] yeah, I'd say go for it as long as you don't think you'll be spread too thin [18:22] at the very least I must admit it's gratifying to be asked :) [18:22] +1 [18:22] so ok, thanks for the feedback folks, I'll try to get hold of Mark once he's back from his travels [18:22] great [18:23] mdz: I believe you're next chair in alphabetical rotation? [18:23] * mdz nods [18:24] great [18:24] then if there's nothing else ... [18:24] Keybuk, agenda will be empty following this meeting, yes? [18:24] mdz: it will, but I still can't edit the wiki, so if you could clear it ... [18:24] I think that's our first "zero moment" in a while [18:24] so, yay [18:25] cjwatson, do you need help with the brainstorm review? [18:25] unfortunately I can't offer myself at present [18:25] no, I just had to put a lot of stuff on hold while away in the Balkans [18:25] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology is the new Mootbot https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot [18:25] Meeting ended Thu Aug 11 18:25:44 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot . (v 0.1.4) [18:25] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-08-11-18.05.moin.txt [18:25] and then there was feature freeze [18:25] I'll be able to take care of this early next week [18:26] I realise I'm late, sorry [18:26] cool [18:26] thanks Keybuk [18:26] thanks! [18:28] oh, wow, I can login to the wiki now - it just took 7 minutes to complete the login [18:28] agenda updated :) === Ursinha` is now known as Ursinha === micahg_ is now known as micahg === apachelogger is now known as dslogger === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [23:12] hello all [23:12] PabloRubianes: meeting know? [23:13] hi duanedesign [23:13] I think it's in 45 min [23:13] when of [23:13] right? or my date -u is lying [23:13] whew of [23:13] PabloRubianes, I think so [23:14] thanks you jledbetter [23:14] * jledbetter checks fridge cal [23:14] Yep! [23:14] mw goes to get rfamiliar with the bots commands [23:14] heh [23:15] hehe [23:16] amyone have alink lol [23:17] nigelb: maybe :) [23:19] ok i got it :) [23:19] duanedesign, One in topic [23:19] oh ok :) [23:20] lol that is prbabaly it :) [23:23] has any of the BEginners Team had a chance to look though the proposat Crales made [23:24] duanedesign, are you sober? [23:24] lol [23:24] :P [23:24] duanedesign: bot stuff - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot [23:26] that is just the new commands really [23:26] it is #startmeeting and #endmeeting at either end [23:26] and #topic foo to change topics [23:27] duanedesign, Yes. Read the sandbox link from cprofitt [23:27] and #action nick stuff to do to give someone an action [23:33] PabloRubianes: i wonder. I had a glass a wine at dinner which I do not do. Fortunately it only degrades my typing skills :) [23:33] Hehe [23:34] my typing skills are my achellis heel antway [23:34] see! anyway* [23:35] You need one of the "spelling knowing" apps. [23:38] duanedesign, ahhahaha