[00:02] <stuffed-crust> Anyone here...
[00:03] <Azelphur> nope
[00:03] <stuffed-crust> I would like to remove hellanzb completely, would i just delete the dir "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/Hellanzb/"
[00:04] <Azelphur> did you install it using apt
[00:04] <stuffed-crust> no
[00:04] <Azelphur> how did you install it
[00:04] <stuffed-crust> i executed "hellanzb.py"
[00:04] <directhex> if it's in /usr/local apt didn't do it
[00:05] <Azelphur> stuffed-crust: best answer would be to read the manual
[00:05] <ali1234> lol what manual?
[00:05] <stuffed-crust> well im just wondering if i delete that folder will that remove all instance's of the program
[00:06] <stuffed-crust> apart from the .conf file ofc
[00:06] <ali1234> probably
[00:06] <stuffed-crust> coolio
[00:06] <funkyHat> There's probably a symlink or some kind of wrapper in /usr/local/bin or something
[00:06] <ali1234> did you install python-2.7 from source too?
[00:06] <stuffed-crust> i was using python2.7 before i installed hellanzb
[00:07] <ali1234> well yeah
[00:07] <stuffed-crust> i believe
[00:07] <ali1234> but if you install things the python way, i don't think they go in /usr/local if you use distro python
[00:07] <popey> usefully the README makes no mention of uninstallation
[00:07] <ali1234> or maybe they do
[00:07] <funkyHat> "why would I tell people how to uninstall my software? Noone is going to want to uninstall it!"
[00:07] <ali1234> everyone always complained about that
[00:08] <stuffed-crust> i will double check the README but i dont think it does
[00:08] <ali1234> well, i have a /usr/local/lib/python2.7/ - so it must be what it is for
[00:08] <popey> email pjenvey@groovie.org
[00:08] <ali1234> there's a really useful python tool called virtualenv
[00:08] <popey> ask him how ☺
[00:08] <ali1234> it lets you create a virtual python install. you install your package using that python, and then you can just delete the whole lot when you're done
[00:09] <ali1234> saves messing up your distro python, and you don't need root
[00:09] <ali1234> it's great
[00:09] <stuffed-crust> no mention of uninstall in README
[00:10] <popey> 01:07:21 < popey> usefully the README makes no mention of uninstallation
[00:10] <stuffed-crust> but if u say deleting that folder is the way i understand how that works i think which is the important thing :P
[00:11] <stuffed-crust> looks like thats all "dist-packages" holds
[00:11] <stuffed-crust> gonna delete that too
[00:11] <stuffed-crust> weeeeeeee
[00:13] <popey> hah, directhex i totally wasn't expecting that keyboard to pop out 3 mins in :D
[00:14] <directhex> popey, there's a battle raging - will i manage to wait for the pre3, before going "sod it" and buying something else? i didn't manage it last time with the n900
[00:14] <popey> heh
[00:14] <popey> you bought the n900 then switched to the pre?
[00:15] <popey> that thing looks giant in his hands
[00:19] <ali1234> stuffed-crust: you probably shouldn't have done that
[00:19] <stuffed-crust> lolwat :)
[00:20] <stuffed-crust> i reinstalled it now anywayz, trying to fix an error im getting but it didnt work
[00:20] <ali1234> reinstalling things on linux never fixes the problem
[00:20] <stuffed-crust> well i had an updated deb package which provides new versions of the dependencies < spellcheck
[00:21] <stuffed-crust> but no joy
[00:21] <ali1234> what is the actual problem?
[00:21] <stuffed-crust> ill paste it on pastebin one sec
[00:22] <stuffed-crust> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440332
[00:22] <stuffed-crust> its a small thread
[00:22] <stuffed-crust> im still getting his error
[00:23] <ali1234> ah
[00:23] <ali1234> so did you try installing the package from debian sid?
[00:24] <stuffed-crust> hmm hold on confused myself now lol
[00:24] <stuffed-crust> i thought that was just a dependency update
[00:24] <ali1234> i suspect you now have two versions installed
[00:24] <ali1234> and it's still loading the old one
[00:24] <stuffed-crust> me 2 now
[00:25] <stuffed-crust> hold tight then
[00:26] <stuffed-crust> ok new errors but ones i understand
[00:31] <stuffed-crust> and shes working, cheers guise xD
[00:34] <stuffed-crust> i really need to get to bed haha
[00:34] <stuffed-crust> cya, thx again
[00:38] <ali1234> Azelphur: did you ever fix your arduino?
[00:39] <Azelphur> no, mostly pure lazyness though
[00:40] <ali1234> just seen this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1305856someone
[00:40] <ali1234> maybe it's not dead at all... maybe the arduino software just times out before the end of the 20 second delay
[00:40] <Azelphur> fun
[00:40] <ali1234> (arduino uses a ftdi chip)
[00:41] <ali1234> although
[00:41] <ali1234> didn't your just not even enumerate?
[00:41] <Azelphur> think so
[00:41] <ali1234> hmm never mind, not related
[04:41] <stuffed-crust> guru's, i haz hellanzb running but its just sitting there in there terminal with zero kb/s, i created a log file and its basically connecting to the server then disconnecting itself with this message -- AUTHINFO failed: 502 Authentication Failed
[04:42] <stuffed-crust> any ideaz
[04:43] <stuffed-crust> my news server does not require authentication btw
[04:43] <MartijnVdS> !warez
[04:43] <stuffed-crust> whos talkin piracy
[04:43] <stuffed-crust> not me
[04:43] <stuffed-crust> im talkin hellanzb
[04:44] <MartijnVdS> Come on, is there any other use for nzb?
[04:44] <stuffed-crust> are u an OP ?
[04:44] <MartijnVdS> Does it matter?
[04:44] <stuffed-crust> absolutely
[04:45] <stuffed-crust> i have talked no piracy
[04:45] <stuffed-crust> if ur an OP i shall obey you
[04:45] <stuffed-crust> if not
[04:45] <stuffed-crust> stfu ?
[04:47] <stuffed-crust> im actually not even tryin to download anything in particular im just learning ubuntu, getting hellanzb working is part of it for me
[04:47] <MartijnVdS> !manners
[04:47] <stuffed-crust> dude you started it
[04:48] <stuffed-crust> if you got a piracy beef join the mpaa
[04:48] <stuffed-crust> otherwsie please and thank you are in my vocabluary
[04:49] <stuffed-crust> jesus im a hard working 9-5 man, i needz my nzb workingz!
[04:49] <stuffed-crust> i was up til 1am working on this
[04:49] <stuffed-crust> i had like 4 hours sleep
[04:49] <stuffed-crust> anywayz
[04:50] <stuffed-crust>  guru's, i haz hellanzb running but its just sitting there in there terminal with zero kb/s, i created a log file and its basically connecting to the server then disconnecting itself with this message -- AUTHINFO failed: 502 Authentication Failed
[04:50] <stuffed-crust> please help me if you can
[04:57] <stuffed-crust> When helping: be helpful < IRC Guidelines
[04:58] <stuffed-crust> u dun pissed me right off now lol
[04:58] <stuffed-crust> im gonna make a forum post i think
[06:09] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:51] <AlanBell> dead chicken :(
[06:53] <MartijnVdS> :(
[07:05] <hoover> good morning all
[08:01] <daubers> Morning
[08:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:02] <Myrtti> moin
[08:09] <hoover> morning daubers
[08:41] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[08:43] <hoover> morning
[08:46] <daubers> AlanBell: Camera number 2 acquired! Batteries only last 90 minutes, but I do have mains cords for them
[08:47] <kazade> morning everyone
[08:48] <AlanBell> daubers: awesome
[08:48] <AlanBell> daubers: both take SD cards right?
[08:48] <daubers> AlanBell: Yup, they don't do SD however :)
[08:48] <AlanBell> ok
[08:48] <daubers> AlanBell: 8GB SD card is about an hour apparently (I tried with mine)
[08:49] <AlanBell> great, I have 6 16GB cards so we should be set
[08:50] <daubers> Cool
[08:50] <daubers> Oh, and pitivi does support the avchd codec
[08:50] <daubers> container even
[08:54] <popey> Morning all!
[08:55]  * directhex moos
[08:56] <MartijnVdS> daubers: avchd isn't weird though, is it.. it's just MPEG-4/h264/aac in a weird directory structure?
[08:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Indeed! But really shouldn't assume these things
[08:57] <daubers> Morning popey
[08:57] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Why not?
[08:57] <directhex> shotwell doesn't support MPO files properly
[08:57] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Because assuming makes an ass of u and me :p And we'd be stuffed if we had to transcode into an editable format before hand
[08:58] <MartijnVdS> daubers: oh sure, don't assume the codec.. but the directory tree is pretty standard/detectable
[08:59] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Indeed, but I had to test PiTiVi to make sure it would work properly (which was the original point)
[09:03] <popey> \o/ Testing!
[09:04]  * MartijnVdS runs "make test" a lot these days
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Perl's testing culture
[09:05] <daubers> AlanBell: Will bring one along tomorrow evening so you can have a play
[09:06] <gord> testing is fine, but it only ever checks for bugs you know about, i don't care about those bugs, i fixed them already. its the bugs i don't know about that scare me
[09:08] <daubers> Hmmm, my history from today mostly contains "grep"
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> gord: And that's why we write test suites that cover all possible code paths beforehand
[09:20] <gord> MartijnVdS, eh, no you write tests to test for regressions during the life cycle of a codebase, they will never find bugs you didn't know about because those bugs are triggered in certain specific situations you would never test for
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: sure, there will always be corner-case bugs.. but we try to prevent most bugs in non-corner cases
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> also, they help creating a usable API
[09:40] <bigcalm> Howdy peeps
[09:40] <bigcalm> 1 work day left and then oggcamp holidays :D
[09:40] <popey> :D
[09:40]  * popey blogs oggcamp
[09:40] <bigcalm> I take it that you've taken tomorrow and Monday off?
[09:44] <ali1234> lol, unit test fail
[09:44] <ali1234> no wonder 11.04 is so buggy
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: exactly
[09:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:00] <popey> bigcalm: yes
[10:01] <bigcalm> Good, relaxing with an ale shall be done on Sunday then
[10:05] <davmor2> morning all
[10:05]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski mornring 
[10:05] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:06] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:13] <davmor2> hey gord why is oneiric suddenly taking so long to get from login to desktop?
[10:13] <gord> davmor2, i have absolutely no idea
[10:13] <gord> !wfm and all that
[10:15] <davmor2> gord: no it works it just seems to take it's time getting from login to desktop,  before the latest update it was fairly quick now it seem to sit for several second with just the cursor then the backdrop changes then finally the login jingle and unity appear
[10:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew] A Better Firefox Menu - http://whyareyoureadingthisurl.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/a-better-firefox-menu/
[10:17] <gord> davmor2, yup, no idea, maybe look at bootchart to see what is taking so long
[10:31] <czajkowski> mornig
[10:32] <brobostigon> morning czajkowski
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> afternoon czajkowski
[10:33]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski agian
[10:33] <czajkowski> no prodding
[10:33] <czajkowski> tired
[10:34] <czajkowski> can anyone open http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
[10:34]  * davmor2 de prods czajkowski and blows raspberries at her instead
[10:34] <bigcalm> czajkowski: not so far
[10:35] <czajkowski> :o
[10:35] <bigcalm> It's sat on 'loading' in chrome
[10:35] <czajkowski> possibly mentioning the petition that only needs just shy of over 2k petion to be debated over the riots has killed it
[10:35] <davmor2> czajkowski: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/google.comhttp://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
[10:36] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I would hope that it would be a topic for discussion without needing to petition for it
[10:37] <Myrtti> ♥  UK
[10:37] <bigcalm> Myrtti: yay, you're here then?
[10:37] <Myrtti> oh yes
[10:37] <bigcalm> Hazar
[10:38] <bigcalm> Might actually get to talk to you this year :P
[10:39] <czajkowski> bigcalm: the petition is to withdraw the welfare from anyone who is convicted of looting
[10:39] <czajkowski> and violence
[10:39] <bigcalm> I see
[10:40] <andylockran> !politics
[10:40] <czajkowski> andylockran: wasn't talking about politics, was just asking was the website up or down for people and the reason why
[10:40] <czajkowski> Myrtti: welcome :)
[10:41] <bigcalm> andylockran: you'll need a petition for that ;)
[10:41] <Myrtti> Cambridge was so pretty yesterday
[10:41] <daubers> czajkowski: Anyone convicted and imprisoned already loses the majority of their benefits
[10:41] <daubers> (excepting universal ones like the NHS AIUI)
[10:42] <andylockran> ok, now it's !politics :)
[10:42] <s-fox> Hello.
[10:43] <brobostigon> morning s-fox
[10:43] <s-fox> Hello brobostigon
[10:43] <s-fox> How are you ?
[10:43] <brobostigon> s-fox: some what tired, and my eczema is pretty dodgy and it has an infection. how about you?
[10:44] <s-fox> Late night? Sorry to hear about infection. I am okay thank you,  bit hungry.
[10:44] <brobostigon> s-fox: not sleeping properly. due to the pain from my eczema.
[10:44] <s-fox> :(
[10:46] <brobostigon> quite, yes, :(
[10:55] <directhex> rum.
[10:56] <brobostigon> yummy,
[10:57]  * brobostigon gets some coke.
[11:11] <davmor2> andylockran: easy solution goto ##politics-uk it'll be silent as it's all going on here :D
[11:19] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:20] <oimon> davmor2: have the same slow desktop issue
[11:30] <davmor2> gord: these things mean nothing to me http://ubuntuone.com/p/19iO/
[11:33] <oimon> does bootchart include time to the desktop?
[11:34] <davmor2> oimon: it includes bamf, app launcher and indicators so I'm going with yes :)
[11:37] <oimon> someone in #ubuntu+1 was complaining the other day too
[11:41] <oimon> anyone know how to "fix" software centre when it doesn't respond to clicking the install button for apps?
[11:41] <davmor2> gord: any clue?  Look like gnome-session is started and then bamfd etc is start 20seconds after unless I'm reading it wrong?
[11:43] <oimon> wow i just noticed the new lightdm login screen
[11:56] <oimon> anyone else think today's woot pic is bad taste? http://www.woot.com/
[12:08] <livingdaylight> Aloha
[12:09] <livingdaylight> my new internal hd just arrived. Wondering Ubuntu 32-bit or 64-bit ?
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> 64
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> always 64
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> unless CPU doesn't do 64
[12:11] <oimon> livingdaylight: how much RAM do u have?
[12:11] <livingdaylight> it does, but previously, I found adobe air not easy to install on 64
[12:11] <livingdaylight> oimon, about 4gb
[12:12] <oimon> i recently installed 64 and found everything straightforward
[12:12] <oimon> although i don't use air
[12:15] <oimon> any linkedin users concerned about privacy should change these settings http://countermeasures.trendmicro.eu/linkedin-optout/
[12:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Full Moon OggCamp - http://popey.com/blog/2011/08/11/full-moon-oggcamp/
[12:37] <gord> davmor2, bamf coming up is pretty much "unity is now started" looks like gnome is taking a metric age to actually start compiz then compiz is being slow too
[12:38] <gord> davmor2, pink = IO btw and blue = cpu, so something is loading slowly
[12:39] <oimon> my desktop seems a bit faster today
[12:39] <oimon> davmor2: maybe run updates and reboot today?
[12:40] <gord> updating today is not clever
[12:40] <gord> its feature freeze day
[12:40] <oimon> ah, maybe that's why ubuntu one broke
[12:40] <oimon> i update every day though, it's not my prod box
[12:40] <davmor2> oimon: already have
[12:41]  * oimon checks his bootchart
[12:41] <gord> really bugs me when websites have a "search", but really its just google. i could do that myself
[12:42] <oimon> although it saves you typing site:www.fluffybunnies.com
[12:45] <Azelphur> Sigh, appears I need to start hardening my IRC server since myg0t kiddies keep hitting it with botnets \o/. Any tips?
[12:45] <daubers> Hooray! How many hundreds of people are going to retweetn the fake @skynewsticker account today
[12:45] <Azelphur> I assume I need to get join and flood limiting up
[12:45] <oimon> finding it really annoying to have to type sudo reboot to restart 11.10 atm
[12:45] <gord> Azelphur, just password it?
[12:46] <Azelphur> how on earth is that a solution?
[12:46] <gord> stops script kiddies getting in?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it keeps people out :)
[12:46] <Azelphur> stops everybody from getting in
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: or use a different port
[12:46] <Azelphur> might as well just turn it off, silly suggestion was silly
[12:46] <gord> well no, you give people you want in there the password
[12:47] <Azelphur> so I coordinate giving thousands of people a password and expect it not to get leaked?
[12:47] <Azelphur> really why do people make these silly "go without" suggestions, they are totally pointless :/
[12:48] <gord> geez, there sapps my interest in helping you, i'll go back to work
[12:48] <oimon> afaik botnets aren't sentient beings so you could probably be pretty liberal with who you give the passwword to
[12:48] <Azelphur> that's fine, I don't want go without style answers anyway
[12:49] <Azelphur> oimon: they are targeted attacks at me, so they'll just give the botnet the password.
[12:49] <oimon> why?
[12:49] <Azelphur> because that's what myg0t do, they pick a target to troll and then troll it :)
[12:49] <oimon> never heard of him/them
[12:50] <Azelphur> hehe
[12:50] <diplo> I haven't heard of them for a long time
[12:50] <diplo> Didn't know they were still about
[12:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[12:51] <diplo> Azelphur, can you determine a sequence to the attacks ?
[12:51] <Azelphur> yea, they are very easy to block when I'm here, the bots usually always have some very easily identifiable tag on them
[12:51] <diplo> Or something like that, IE 100's connect at same time, a certain time etc
[12:52] <Azelphur> yep, basic every day stuff
[12:52] <diplo> All I'm thinking is if you detect lots of connections at the same time to maybe set it to lockdown for a short period of time 2-3 mins and then open again
[12:53] <oimon> iptables can do such throttling
[12:53] <Azelphur> yea, ircds support detecting these, I'm implementing that now. Was just wondering if anyone else had any interesting ideas :)
[12:53] <Azelphur> inspircd has join/nick/text flood protection builtin.
[12:54] <diplo> Not really :( - You are doing basically what I would do
[12:54] <Azelphur> :)
[12:54] <diplo> Tis the biatch with botnets is you can't block a certain ip range etc
[12:54] <Azelphur> if they keep on annoying me I'll just go after them, I've already got real IPs and times along with names and other info :)
[12:55] <Azelphur> think they wouldn't be so bold if I was the top result on google for all their names. :)
[12:56] <diplo> Or maybe attack you more for doing it.
[12:56] <Azelphur> true but any attacks on me once their information is public would just result in more, worse attacks on them personally
[12:56] <Azelphur> because my servers full of 4chan people who get annoyed with people who attack me :)
[12:56] <diplo> Suppose, as long as your details are correct
[12:57] <diplo> Dont want to get as bad as them
[12:57] <Azelphur> yea, have to be very sure with things like that, I usually aim for at least 3 points of reference to ensure that it's definitely the right person
[12:59] <diplo> Well if you ever want any help with stuff of an evening or day time tbh I have a lot of spare time now the wife has left me :)
[12:59] <Azelphur> that sucks :(
[12:59] <diplo> Yep :(
[12:59] <Azelphur> diplo I get attacked quite regularly now, I even had a (albeit small and a bit retarded) security company attack me using company resources
[13:00] <Azelphur> one of those denial of service for hire types I guess
[13:00] <diplo> :/
[13:01] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:04] <diplo> afternoon czajkowski
[13:05] <czajkowski> how are folks today
[13:05] <czajkowski> who is coming to oggcamp over the weekend??
[13:08] <hoover> not me... stuck in .de
[13:08] <hoover> ;-)
[13:09] <bigcalm> o/
[13:09] <hoover> are you going, biggie?
[13:09] <diplo> Like to but not :/
[13:10] <bigcalm> hoovie: I am indeed
[13:10] <hoover> cool say hello from me then ;-)
[13:10] <bigcalm> Heh
[13:10] <kaushal> Hi
[13:11] <kaushal> is there a way to configure Ipsec VPN Client in Ubuntu 11.04 ?
[13:12] <hoover> kaushal: Is that different from openvpn (sorry if that's a stupid question)?
[13:13]  * hoover has only dabbled with openvpn and vpnc
[13:14] <directhex> kaushal, in a GUI way, or on a server?
[13:15] <kaushal> I mean for Ubuntu Desktop
[13:15] <kaushal> may be CLI or GUI
[13:15] <directhex> kaushal, install apt:network-manager-strongswan
[13:15] <directhex> kaushal, then try creating a new VPN via the network manager gui (the icon in the system tray)
[13:17] <directhex> that'll set up strongswan for you, which is an ipsec client
[13:17] <bigcalm> I've been given account details (server name, username, password) to a SSL VPN with a client. Having never used VPN before, I'm a little confused with all of the options that are available
[13:20] <directhex> bigcalm, there's no one VPN solution, there are several
[13:20] <directhex> bigcalm, you install the correct VPN client for their server, and set it up via the clicky boxes in network manager
[13:21] <kaushal> directhex: ok
[13:21] <popey> AlanBell: http://victorpalau.net/2011/08/11/dell-vostro-3300-external-monitor-problems-finally-fixed/ seen that?
[13:21] <kaushal> directhex: Thanks
[13:21] <kaushal> let me work on it
[13:22] <bigcalm> No idea what server they are using :) Will see if I can get anywhere with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=914202
[13:22] <directhex> bigcalm, e.g. network-manager-openconnect for modern Cisco AnyConnect VPNs, network-manager-vpnc for older cisco VPNs, network-manager-pptp-gnome for Windows VPNs
[13:22] <kaushal> directhex: is there a daemonized mode available for Ipsec ?
[13:22] <kaushal> I mean i use openvpn using daemonized mode client
[13:23] <directhex> yes, but you /quit
[13:24] <hoover> Hm, how can I start the connection once I have defined it as VPN in the network manager?
[13:24] <directhex> hoover, click the NM icon -> VPN Connections -> name of vpn
[13:25] <directhex> the icon will do stuff, and a notification will tell you if the connect failed and why. padlock icon = secured
[13:25] <bigcalm> Humm, the client didn't give me domain information.
[13:25] <hoover> ok thanks
[13:25] <directhex> oh, and you may need to log out/in for some types of vpn after installing the requisite packages. especially for vpnc
[13:25] <bigcalm> Them being on the west coast of the states makes working with them very slow
[13:26] <hoover> right now all I get is "configure vpn" when I click on the icon
[13:26] <hoover> brb
[13:26] <bigcalm> F5 Networks apparently
[13:31] <hoover> of course it didn't work, would have surprised me if it did ;-)
[13:31] <hoover> damn nortel and thei win-only client crap
[13:31] <hoover> vpnc worked fine for a while, then it quit all of a sudden
[13:32] <directhex> hoover, you logged out/in after installing vpnc?
[13:32] <hoover> yep
[13:32] <hoover> but I tried the strongswan stuff, not vpnc
[13:32] <hoover> no worries, I have my machine at work connect to my home router using openvpn / dyndns
[13:33] <directhex> strongswan is for ipsec. vpnc is for cisco vpn concentrator
[13:33] <hoover> I'll try the svn vpnc version again
[13:34] <hoover> haven't checked that in a while
[13:42] <kvarley> How can I install a package via apt-get avoiding the "Do you want to continue [Y/n]?" message?
[13:45] <andylockran> hey guys - if an alter table command fails on some mysql slaves, is it ok to run it manually on the slaves without breaking replication?
[13:46] <hoover> hey...!!!!
[13:46] <jml> popey: hi. I found this, http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/Creating_Screencasts, and thought "yay", and then I saw "edgy" and now I'm not yay at all.
[13:47] <hoover> vpnc works again, after adding only one line
[13:47] <hoover> Nortel Client ID V06_01
[13:47] <hoover> cool, thanks for making me try out that one again
[13:47] <hoover> ;-)
[13:47]  * jml is trying to make a screencast. failing.
 Ubuntu gives up waiting for the root device, apparently /dev/disk/by-uuid/UID does not exist
[13:48] <MichealH> Ubuntu drops into a initramfs shell
[13:48] <MichealH> I have tried reinstalling 10 times, same error
[13:49] <MichealH> Soon after udevd gives errors about worker
[13:50] <hoover> andylockran: have you stopped the replication?
[13:50] <MichealH> Can someone help me?
[13:51] <hoover> kvarley: --yes?
[13:51] <MichealH> I have tried for 2 days straight to fix this
[13:51] <hoover> sorry MichealH no idea here... is it the failing mounts that are causing you pain?
[13:51] <kvarley> hoover: Thank you :) Linux is so simple at times :)
[13:51] <hoover> man apt-get is even simpler ;-)
[13:52] <hoover> you're welcome
[13:52] <kvarley> hoover: Very true xD
[13:52] <hoover> sorry, couldn't resist being a smartarse (again ;-)
[13:52] <MichealH> hoover, It seems they are failing mounts
[13:52] <MichealH> But I dunno how to fix them
[13:52] <hoover> have you tried modifying /etc/fstab?
[13:52] <MichealH> Nope, This is a 10 minute year old install
[13:52] <hoover> boot off a live stick, mount the root fs and change /etc/fstab to the phys. device names
[13:53] <MichealH> It has not even been touched
[13:53] <hoover> weird
[13:53] <popey> jml: I CAN HELP!
[13:53] <hoover> fdisk -l will show you the partitions
[13:53] <MichealH> LiveCD works?
[13:53] <jml> popey: actually, the answer turns out to be plughw:0,0
[13:53] <hoover> it should, I guess
[13:53] <MichealH> So I just change to /dev/sd Whatever
[13:53] <MichealH> ?
[13:53] <hoover> yep that should work
[13:53] <MichealH> Cool, I shall try that now
[13:54] <hoover> ok good luck
[13:54] <jml> popey: the question is, "What device to I tell gtk-recordMyDesktop to use in order to record sound?"
[13:54] <kvarley> hoover: Any ideas about doing the same thing but with gksudo. It doesn't like --yes
[13:54] <jml> s/to/do/
[13:54] <popey> jml: dont use rmd, it blows goats
[13:54] <hoover> kvarley: I haven't used gksudo, sorry
[13:54] <hoover> kvarley: what's the error you're getting?
[13:55] <popey> jml: http://lwn.net/Articles/452233/
[13:55] <kvarley> hoover: gksudo: unrecognised option '--yes'
[13:55] <hoover> so you pass the command along from the shell or directly in gksudo?
[13:55] <jml> popey: that has a recent date!
[13:56] <jml> popey: but, ach! meine Augen!
[13:56] <hoover> kvarley: have you tried using quotes around the argument?
[13:56] <hoover> like so:
[13:56] <hoover> gksudo "apt-get --yes upgrade"
[13:56] <popey> jml: wassup?
[13:57] <popey> jml: install ffmpeg and parec
[13:57] <popey> jml: the other option is to install kazam
[13:57]  * hoover 's a very happy camper to find vpnc works again... yay! 
[13:57] <popey> but I find this more reliable
[13:59] <jml> hah!
[13:59] <jml> the same error that rmd had
[13:59] <jml> ALSA lib dlmisc.c:254:(snd1_dlobj_cache_get) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[13:59] <jml> [alsa @ 0x82f340] cannot open audio device pulse (No such device or address)
[13:59] <jml> ffs
[14:02] <jml> *sigh*
[14:02] <kvarley> hoover: Yes! Thank you once again ;) I used: gksudo "apt-get install python-pyexiv2 --yes" and it works a charm!
[14:02] <popey> jml: have you removed pulseaudio or something?
[14:02] <hoover> kvarley: no worries, good to see it works
[14:02] <popey> is pulse running?
[14:03] <oimon> davmor2: for your bootchart, did you get autologin working with lightdm yet?
[14:03] <davmor2> oimon: nope I just sat there waiting to login
[14:03] <oimon> seems to be broken for the mo
[14:05] <jml> popey: no, I haven't. although maybe I killed it trying to debug the issue w/ rmd
[14:05] <jml> it's running though
[14:05] <MichealH> hoover, So I have it open
[14:05] <MichealH> How do I need to edit it?
[14:06] <MichealH> I have UUID = SOME UID
[14:06] <MichealH> Shall I change it with /dev/dsa9 ?
[14:12] <popey> sorry, not seen that error jml
[14:15] <hoover> do you have a list of your partitionsw?
[14:16] <hoover> comment out the lines by prefixing them with a "#"
[14:16] <hoover> in a root shell, type fdisk -l to see your partition table
[14:17] <hoover> then use /dev/sda1 instead of the UUID stuff
[14:18] <hoover> MichealH: be careful though if you have booted from a usb device that might now come up as sda
[14:18] <hoover> your drive may now be identified as sdb, but will revert to sda when you boot without the stick
[14:19] <hoover> (that's why the uuid stuff was introduced in the first place)
[14:22] <MichealH> fdisk -l showed nothing :/
[14:22] <MichealH> Oh, root
[14:25] <MichealH> hoover, Right, rebooting now
[14:28] <MichealH> hoover, I commented out the UUID line, but that still looked for /dev/disk/by-uuid
[14:28] <MichealH> Oh, Its in grub
[14:28] <MichealH> Grawesome
[14:31] <MichealH> Editing Kerneline
[14:31] <MichealH> And It works
[14:31] <MichealH> WTH
[14:32] <MichealH> Looks like I need to do a bit of GRUB love
[14:32] <MichealH> :P
[14:34] <hoover> cool ;-)
[14:35] <hoover> Grub has saved my butt a couple of times, too ;-)
[14:35] <hoover> Ok folks I'm off for today, catch you later! Cheers all
[14:59] <AlanBell> popey: yes, seen it, TheOpenSourcerer filed that bug and the new kernel does work (but breaks virtualbox as there is no source package for dkms to use
[15:01] <popey> ah
[15:13] <oimon> just remembered its oggcamp this weekend
[15:14] <popey> Yes! :D
[15:14] <mfraz74> will oggcamp be on IRC?
[15:15] <oimon> my wife wanted to camp in surrey all week when our town was getting smashed up
[15:15] <mfraz74> which town?
[15:15] <oimon> enfield
[15:16] <popey> mfraz74: "on irc"?
[15:16] <mfraz74> popey: some sort of feed for those of us that can't make it
[15:17] <mfraz74> didn't you do twitter there one year?
[15:17] <popey> we had a twitterfall, yes
[15:18] <mfraz74> popey: yes the twitterfall
[15:22] <Laney> Dear meteorologists, is it going to rain later?
[15:22] <Laney> I see grey clouds.
[15:22] <AlanBell> is there a twitterfall this year popey?
[15:26] <popey> AlanBell: we haven't planned one
[15:26] <bigcalm> Things just happen
[15:48] <czajkowski> feckin hot on the tube
[15:49] <oimon> i find the central line the worst
[15:49] <oimon> like an oven
[15:49] <kazade> nah Northern is worst :)
[15:51] <oimon> northern smells of wee
[15:51] <oimon> district smells ...weird
[15:52]  * Laney lives in vague awe and fear of londoners
[15:54] <oimon> riding the tube is pretty inhumane
[15:54] <AlanBell> northern is pretty grim
[15:54] <AlanBell> the odd one is waterloo and city in the morning
[15:55] <AlanBell> so horribly overcrowded, but if they had a whipround on the platform they could probably buy an extra train
[15:56] <Laney> what's the one with the separate door thingies on the platform?
[15:56] <Laney> that's posh
[15:57] <AlanBell> jubilee
[15:58] <directhex> DLR!
[15:59] <czajkowski> not bad 40 mins from place in victoria back to elephant and castle home at 4pm in the day
[16:00] <czajkowski> bakerpoo line to embankment to district line  to victoria
[16:19]  * TheOpenSourcerer went from Farnham to central Leeds and back yesterday. Each journey took exactly 3:35mins - 447.4m round trip.
[16:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> By car.
[16:22] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hey dude you about?
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> I hear the HTV2 13,000mph aircraft is taking a spin this afternoon...
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> 3.6miles per second...
[16:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> London -> Sydney in about an hour.
[16:31] <MartijnVdS> aircraft or spacecraft?
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Aircraft
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> scary fast
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes.
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> And Darpa have just lost it...
[16:32] <MartijnVdS> derpa
[16:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Twitter #htv2
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> "oops"?
[16:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Indeed.
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> ah it's unmanned and over the ocean
[16:33] <MartijnVdS> not quite as bad than it could be :)
[16:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think bloefelt has nicked it in true James Bond style.
[16:35] <MartijnVdS> :)
[16:38] <davmor2> haha
[16:47] <FeatureFreak> dang starbuck, they blocked irc, had to socks proxy ssh to get it working.
[16:48] <FeatureFreak> don't think that was the case 6 months ago
[16:48] <FeatureFreak> ahh well.
[17:23] <HazRPG> hmm, this doesn't look right (ls -la): d?????????  ? ?     ?            ?                ? .gvfs
[17:23] <HazRPG> any reason why it'd do that?
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: try as yourself instead of root
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> it does that on my oneiric box.. what are you running?
[17:24] <HazRPG> 11.04, its my sister's /home not mine
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: are you logged in under your sister's user atm?
[17:24] <HazRPG> nope, ssh'ed as me
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: because it should show up correctly if you were
[17:25] <HazRPG> yeah, just told my sister to type in ls -la in terminal and it was fine on hers
[17:26] <directhex> HazRPG, fried FS.
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> directhex: nah, .gvfs is the GnomeVFS mount point, it's fuse-y and shows up weird if you're not the owner of the gvfs process
[17:26] <HazRPG> directhex: it's a fresh install, I only just installed it 2 days ago... o.o
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> or GVFS
[17:29] <HazRPG> getting very use to walking around the O/S with my terminal now :)
[17:30] <HazRPG> I've set all the boxes in my house to only allow my account to ssh into anything, so it's a pain when trying to move other peoples files around, but a simple chown does the job to give them back their files :)
[17:32] <HazRPG> think my sister is getting more use to unity then I am...
[17:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: thanks for the help/info btw, was starting to panic I'd done something wrong with my find and chown/chmod commands ^_^
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> np
[17:49] <ali1234> HazRPG: use sudo
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> sudo -u someuser \o/
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ^
[19:00] <livingdaylight> Does anyone know/remember the component to the clock that enabled us to be able to add cities and their time and basic weather info as a drop down menu?
[19:01] <livingdaylight> there is gworldclock i see in synaptics, but it is ugly and I prefer it integrated with the digital clock in the panel
[19:35] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron/Beta#World_Clock_Applet ?
[19:36] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, YES!!!
[19:37] <dwatkins> Linux saves the day!
[19:37] <livingdaylight> why have they removed that from 11.04 ?
[19:37] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, you saved the day ;)
[19:38] <dwatkins> heh, I just searched around for images of what I remembered using
[19:46] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, not sure the name though. intlclock is not bringing anything back in Synaptic
[19:47] <dwatkins> yeah, perhaps it's a component that got removed, or it's just called "Gnome World Clock".
[19:48] <dwatkins> I can boot my 10.04 virtual guest to see if it's there if you like.
[19:49] <livingdaylight> no don't worry... I'll keep digging or ask in #ubuntu
[19:49] <dwatkins> Checking on my server, as it was already up ;)
[19:49] <livingdaylight> you've given me a good lead
[19:50] <dwatkins> heh, you can have two clocks with different time formats
[19:53] <dwatkins> Seems the applet identifies itself simpy as "Calendar"in 10.10, livingdaylight.
[19:54] <livingdaylight> Calendar?! ok...
[19:57] <livingdaylight> young man tells Boris Johnson how it is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsF3j3bS0h8
[20:00] <dwatkins> I enjoyed the video taken on the M1 today, people were parked on the hard shoulder so someone decided to interview them and point out their folly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY_CzPD2cYs
[20:05] <livingdaylight> dwatkins, couldn't finish it- found the guy very annoying. Asking everyone their name
[20:06] <dwatkins> I imagine that was the point. He's passed the video on to the police.
[20:08] <livingdaylight> but he was speaking and asking the name of people that weren't in the hard shoulder
[20:08] <livingdaylight> *too
[20:08] <dwatkins> oh yeah, I think he was just giving them a chance to be famous for 15 seconds
[20:08] <dwatkins> and being friendly
[20:09] <livingdaylight> I think he was giving himself a chance to be famous for 5 seconds, lol... I do know what you mean, there is this generic yet contrived manner of being "friendly" which personally makes my skin crawl. Maybe I'm an old grouch but it s not my style.
[20:10] <dwatkins> Fair enough :)
[20:10] <livingdaylight> :)
[20:13] <livingdaylight> someone in #ubuntu is reporting that the World Clock Applet is there in 11.04 if run in classic. However, I am in classic, but only by default because I didn't have 3-D enabled and hence got kicked over to classic mode earlier after a fresh install. So, going to reboot and see whether that helps.
[20:13] <livingdaylight> brb
[20:16] <livingdaylight> fail
[20:25] <daubers> evening
[20:25] <popey> evening
[20:25]  * popey should really write a talk
[20:27]  * marxjohnson has written one but needs to write another
[20:27] <marxjohnson> I might just do that now
[20:31] <gord> do you want my prepared talk about how awesome cats are?
[20:31] <gord> its three hours long
[20:40] <Guest84927> ....
[20:40] <ali1234> lol, someone gave wireshark only 4/5 on the software centre reviews because it is too "Compilacted"
[20:41] <ali1234> i wouldn't want to be compilacted, it sounds painful
[20:41] <Guest84927> stupid freenode is being crap lately
[20:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: meep.
[21:01] <czajkowski> evening
[21:01]  * czajkowski prods marxjohnson 
[21:02] <marxjohnson> hi czajkowski
[21:02] <czajkowski> marxjohnson: fix your mail please  :D
[21:03] <czajkowski> pretty please
[21:03] <marxjohnson> ah yes :P
[21:03] <marxjohnson> sorry about that, I never got around to it
[21:03] <marxjohnson> Anyone in here good with Roundcube?
[21:03] <czajkowski> i miss all your mails
[21:12] <davmor2> evening all
[21:18] <czajkowski> davmor2: booooo
[21:19] <davmor2> booo to you to czajkowski how's you
[21:19] <czajkowski> ntb u
[21:24] <davmor2> I ntb either thanks
[21:38] <brobostigon> QT. now, bbc1
[22:19] <HazRPG> brobostigon: hello :)
[22:20] <brobostigon> HazRPG: you hightlighted me.
[22:20] <HazRPG> brobostigon: indeed, so what's the plan about oggcamp?
[22:21] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i wont be able to attend, due to my eczema, and its infection getting considerably worse.
[22:21] <HazRPG> brobostigon: car seems to be working fine at my end, did a test run of about 30-40 miles and it was still going smoothly, and no errors, so all good :)
[22:21] <HazRPG> brobostigon: aww :(
[22:22] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i am on load of meds, and it isnt getting better.
[22:23] <brobostigon> HazRPG: my concern is, last time, it put me into hospital, and i dont want that happening, while down with everyone.
[22:23] <HazRPG> brobostigon: no worries dude, I can understand that :)
[22:23] <HazRPG> brobostigon: just hope you feel better soon
[22:24] <brobostigon> HazRPG: me too yes, thank you. last time, it got worse fairly quickly, and it hasnt improved over a week.
[22:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I'm sure it'll be fine ^_^
[22:26] <brobostigon> HazRPG: me too, yes/
[22:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I was looking at alternative methods to get down this week, and for me to get a train there is going to cost like £109... that's like o.O
[22:27] <HazRPG> considering the train from here to Euston is the cheapest bit of £39 return
[22:27] <brobostigon> HazRPG: in point, i dont want to come, with it only getting worse, and me then being in hospital, miles from home.
[22:27] <brobostigon> HazRPG: ouch, yes, that is extorcienate.
[22:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: yeah I know what you mean, better to be closer to home where people can be there to support you, then to be miles away from home :)
[22:29] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, you are right.
[22:32] <HazRPG> brobostigon: did you see popey's post about the open-source 3D printer?
[22:33] <brobostigon> HazRPG: i did not, no.
[22:34] <HazRPG> brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUB1WgiAFHg
[22:34] <HazRPG> brobostigon: http://reprap.org
[22:35] <brobostigon> http://autismoxford.org.uk/index.php/alert-card
[22:36] <brobostigon> HazRPG: if memory serves, this was mentioned on bbc lick several weeks ago.
[22:36] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I didn't hear about it until I saw his post about it
[22:36] <brobostigon> click*
[22:37] <brobostigon> HazRPG: that a company was developing it commercially, however what owuld happen, if it is possible for everyone to make precise duplicates, in this way, was reported.
[22:39] <brobostigon> HazRPG: what do you think about that autism spectrum alert card?
[22:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh right
[22:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: autism spectrum alert card?
[22:42] <HazRPG> brobostigon: what's that?
[22:42] <brobostigon> http://autismoxford.org.uk/index.php/alert-card
[22:42] <brobostigon> HazRPG: it is to give to people. to help them understand about my autism,
[22:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: oh right
[22:43] <HazRPG> brobostigon: that's pretty cool I guess
[22:44] <brobostigon> HazRPG: if it is cool or not is not the issue. it is if it is worth its while, and be useful.
[22:46] <HazRPG> I'm not sure really, I guess it could be useful... but at the same time, autistic people are still people... and many people are still friends and talk to autistic people... so its kind of pointless in that sense ^_^
[22:48] <brobostigon> HazRPG: and what about those people that clearly cannot and or wont understand, and need something simplified infront of them, ,to understand, like employees within service industries.
[22:48] <HazRPG> brobostigon: for those situations, then yeah, definitely it would be useful :)
[22:50] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes, that was my thought, as that can often be a difficult situation for many people.
[22:54] <HazRPG> yeah
[22:57] <brobostigon> aspecially the stuckup prat, im my local kfc, who thinks we have to be kind and nice to him, for serving us, and not that he has to be nice and kind to us, whatever.
[22:59] <brobostigon> and that it is his duty, within his remit, of serving me, to be nice and kind to me.
[22:59] <stuffed-crust> Whats a good app to fully clone your hard drive then restore it so that all programs are still there
[22:59] <AlanBell> dd
[23:00] <AlanBell> or clonezilla
[23:00] <stuffed-crust> ill check them out, tryed a few so far but no real joy
[23:01] <brobostigon> sorry, rant, apologies.
[23:06] <stuffed-crust> hmm clonezilla looks a lil complicated, dont like the idea of messing with my network manager
[23:07] <stuffed-crust> will the clonezilla live cd backup to my external hard drive ?
[23:11] <stuffed-crust> dd looks nice
[23:13] <stuffed-crust> 1 question
[23:14] <stuffed-crust> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc
[23:14] <stuffed-crust> where will sdc go ?
[23:14] <stuffed-crust> in dev ?
[23:15] <stuffed-crust> hmm
[23:15] <stuffed-crust> confusing lol
[23:17] <funkyHat> stuffed-crust: if you think clonezilla looks complicated, please don't touch dd ;(
[23:18] <stuffed-crust> Sok ill blame AlanBell!
[23:18] <funkyHat> stuffed-crust: fair enough then ;D
[23:18] <directhex> stuffed-crust, that command will open the file "/dev/sda" at the beginning, and read it 1 byte at a time. it will open the file "/dev/sdc" at the beginning, and write 1 byte at a time. the "files" in this case are disks, of course. but they don't "go" anywhere.
[23:18] <directhex> (hint: bytes at a time are slow)
[23:19] <stuffed-crust> just gotta read up on the commands that are possible and how i would restore
[23:20] <directhex> there's no restore. dd is pure unix philosophy - i.e. it does exactly what you ask it to do, not what you want it to do
[23:20] <funkyHat> stuffed-crust: clonezilla will back up to an external drive
[23:20] <funkyHat> stuffed-crust: it will also (for most filesystems) take up a lot less space than a dd dump
[23:21] <stuffed-crust> space is not a prob
[23:21] <funkyHat> Well, external drive is one option
[23:21] <directhex> if i wasn't clear, if sdc is your output, it will replace that drive's contents, byte for byte. you need to be sure that's the behaviour you want
[23:22] <stuffed-crust> sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc     will copy /dev/sda entirely right
[23:22] <funkyHat> clonezilla will walk you through the steps to back up your drive, giving you a range of options. I would go with that. dd is also viable, but it will just do exactly what you tell it with no confirmation, and probably take longer
[23:22] <stuffed-crust> to /dev/sdc
[23:22] <directhex> stuffed-crust, it will replace the contents of sdc with the contents of sda, yes. byte by byte (i.e. take forever).
[23:23] <stuffed-crust> oh you mean the full drive
[23:23] <stuffed-crust> not just whats populated
[23:23] <funkyHat> Exactly
[23:23] <stuffed-crust> dont want that lol
[23:23] <directhex> well, not just that. but it will seek each byte one by one.
[23:23] <directhex> random seeks are slow on magnetic disks
[23:23] <stuffed-crust> yeah that sounds a bit insane
[23:24] <directhex> you can pass a bs= value to increase the buffer, of course
[23:24] <directhex> bs=10M reads and writes 10 meg chunks at a time
[23:24] <funkyHat> Or just use clonezilla (but I'll stop going on now ;))
[23:24] <stuffed-crust> gonna look at the clonezilla live cd option
[23:29] <AlanBell> stuffed-crust: this is dangerous stuff remember, get a source and target the wrong way round and your data is toast
[23:29] <brobostigon> poof.
[23:30]  * funkyHat wobbles
[23:31] <stuffed-crust> AlanBell, yeah wont be rushing into it lol
[23:32] <stuffed-crust> mind you ive reinstalled ubuntu so many times gettin to where im at now is no problem
[23:32] <stuffed-crust> so no biggie
[23:32] <stuffed-crust> tryin to cut that out :)
[23:33] <AlanBell> cool