[00:27] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/Q1iMkKGtzsGcQ2mqEjRo/
[00:28] <rick_h_> followed up by: (in short: I need a better general purpose mechanism for handling dynamic domain dependencies like this, without the code itself become organized the same way.  Hmm..)
[00:28] <rick_h_> me: composition > inheritance, expecially when you get into python and can do things like mixins to get most of inheritence without direct inheritene
[01:26] <rick_h_> http://www.nongnu.org/autocutsel/
[01:31] <widox> http://parcellite.sourceforge.net/
[11:23] <rick_h_> morning party people
[11:54] <Wolfger> morning. party.
[11:58] <Wolfger> pure happiness: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1108/leading-off-0808/content.16.html
[12:16] <Wolfger> Woot. A bug filed in December 2007 and closed in February 2009 due to lack of response to the inevitable "does this bug affect latest version?" was finally fixed upstream in August 2011.
[12:16] <Wolfger> Huzzah for open source :-p
[12:16] <brousch> maybe you should've fixed it yourself
[12:17] <Wolfger> :-)
[12:18] <Wolfger> I don't even know wtf "shaketracker" is, much less have the ability/interest to fix it. But thank you for demonstrating that wonderful FOSS attitude towards bugs.
[12:18] <brousch> my pleasure
[12:18] <rick_h_> grrr, not starting out well today.
[12:19] <rick_h_> after one full meeting, a 1->1 meeting, and gobs of email the damn excel sheet isn't right
[12:19] <rick_h_> so finally broke down and fixed the whole damn thing
[12:19] <rick_h_> yay for having to hack/fix excel
[12:20] <Wolfger> \o/
[12:22] <brousch> rick_h_: so did the experience convince you to ditch python and go all VBA?
[12:26] <rick_h_> brousch: I'm not suicidal yet
[12:49] <snap-l> shaketracker is a MOD making program, iirc
[12:49] <snap-l> note the operative word, rick_h_, "yet". ;)
[13:23] <Wolfger> If I took my laptop outside, sat on the ground, and worked the rest of the day out there, would anybody notice? Would anybody care?
[13:23] <snap-l> I wouldn't concern myself with such matters
[13:24] <snap-l> in other words, find out. ;)
[13:24] <snap-l> are you at CTC?
[13:24] <Wolfger> well of course *you* wouldn't. You're used to being unemployed. XD
[13:24] <Wolfger> no, I'm at the plant
[13:24] <snap-l> Wolfger: Too soon. ;)
[13:24] <Wolfger> sorry
[13:24] <Wolfger> :-)
[13:25] <Wolfger> at ctc I could just take a "working lunch" out on the patio and stay there forever
[13:25] <Wolfger> and I wouldn't even have to sit on the ground
[13:31] <rick_h_> man I hate IE...it won't even run my JS unit tests. Just times out and hangs yay for being too damn slow. Though this is IE8 I suppose
[13:32] <Wolfger> One thing O'Reilly deal of the day does for me... reminds me how many things are out there that I haven't got a clue about.
[13:33] <snap-l> Wolfger: What's the DoD today?
[13:34] <Wolfger> snap-l: Practical JIRA Plugins
[13:34] <snap-l> JIRA is a ticketing system from Atlassian
[13:34] <snap-l> it's written in Java
[13:34] <snap-l> and I only know that because our engineers at Geeknet used it
[13:35] <jrwren> if anyone is interested in PHP adn sysadmin job in Saline: http://www.quantumsignal.com/about_qs/career/
[13:36] <snap-l> Are we all pretty much burned out on PHP now?
[13:38] <snap-l> I mean, besides using Wordpress and Drupal. ;)
[13:39] <brousch> who uses drupal?
[13:40] <snap-l> A few people use Drupal
[14:58] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2011/08/11/pyohio-so-much-awesome-in-so-little-time/
[14:58] <snap-l> Apparently I'm a blogging machine today.
[14:59] <snap-l> (or a blabbermouth. ;) )
[15:01] <brousch> where'd you go to dinner?
[15:04] <snap-l> Sage
[15:04] <snap-l> An American Bistro. ;)
[15:05] <snap-l> It was the result of looking on Google Places for somewhere to eat
[15:05] <snap-l> and we walked there. ;)
[15:06] <snap-l> The theme of the weekend was walking. ;)
[15:08] <brousch> i ate at the alumni club puf last year
[15:08] <brousch> it wasn't bad
[15:09] <brousch> pub
[15:09] <snap-l> Oh yeah?
[15:09] <snap-l> Cool
[15:09] <brousch> right near the end of whatever street the blackwell is on
[15:12] <rick_h_> can anyone hit http://build.bmark.us ?
[15:12] <_stink_> spinning here
[15:12] <rick_h_> booo, ok home desktop must have gone off or something then. Thanks
[15:13] <rick_h_> was trying to sneak fix that pgsql test failure at work, but now I can't see it pass
[15:13] <snap-l> Yeah, it's not responding
[15:13] <_stink_> :/
[15:13] <rick_h_> oh well
[15:14] <snap-l> Not sure why, but banshee tends to hang when I close it and doesn't come back
[15:14] <snap-l> I'll notice my display gets sluggish, and note that Banshee is taking up 100% without actually running
[15:22] <rick_h_> http://blog.eset.com/2011/05/17/obfuscated-javascript-oh-what-a-tangled-web
[15:22] <rick_h_> Blazeix widox ^
[15:36] <snap-l> I'm firmly in the camp that if you obfuscate because you think someone will steal your code, you're fucking stupid.
[15:37] <snap-l> and if you're obfuscating because of some perceived speed-up, you'd better have benchmarks to back it up, or you're stupid
[15:37] <rick_h_> yea, but getting blocked as malicious/virus because you pack js/
[15:37] <rick_h_> not something I'd thought about running into
[15:37] <snap-l> I hated that shit when it first reared it's ugly head in the Java world.
[15:38] <rick_h_> jquery, google js library, all the .min files are packed
[15:38] <rick_h_> just following the example of smarter people for some
[15:38] <snap-l> That makes sense, though because they're running a CDN with thousands upon thousands of requests
[15:39] <snap-l> every little bit helps
[15:39] <rick_h_> right, but I can see someone new just following the lead
[15:39] <snap-l> but if you're running a site that has a handful of requests per second, it's not going to help much
[15:39] <rick_h_> without knowing why "it makes it faster"
[15:39] <snap-l> again, stupid. ;)
[15:39] <rick_h_> then again pagespeed apache module does that kind of stuff
[15:40] <rick_h_> caches compressed/packed versions of your js file
[15:40] <rick_h_> anyway, interesting
[15:40] <snap-l> It's the same problem over and over again
[15:40] <rick_h_> yea
[15:41] <snap-l> delivering content to clients depends on trust, and it's unfortunately very easy to fake certain levels of trust
[15:42] <snap-l> if something goes rogue on your system, cleartext or not, you're screwed. ;)
[15:42] <snap-l> and obfuscation is yet again another arrow in the quver of malware.
[15:42] <snap-l> I rue the day when someone hacks jquery and uploads some rogue, compressed .js
[15:59] <snap-l>  Can anyone parse what the hell this is trying to say? http://paste.mitechie.com/show/06BzCZkyfBPnputd0Bhe/
[16:01] <snap-l> Gee, I'll fill out Refund_Form.exe right away
[16:14] <Wolfger> snap-l: Python is a replacement for FORTRAN?
[16:17] <Wolfger> snap-l: also, let me fix something for you.... s/turned into a diaspora/turned into joindiaspora.com/  :-D
[16:52] <snap-l> Wolfger: har har
[16:52] <snap-l> Wolfger: Python has awesome numerical libraries
[16:53] <snap-l> scipy and numpy are reason enough to ditch FORTRAN if you are still using it. ;)
[17:10] <Wolfger> Craig Maloney, blogging machine.
[17:18] <snap-l> yeah, I'm a blabbermouth today.
[17:24] <rick_h_> hey, am I back?
[17:24] <rick_h_> yay!
[17:40] <snap-l> quiveray
[17:40] <snap-l> Fuckin' hell.
[17:47] <rick_h_> uh what?
[17:49] <snap-l> NEver mind
[17:55] <Wolfger> I think I see a pattern here...
[17:55] <Wolfger> Programmers StackExchange has a lot of "questions" closed for basically being lame
[17:56] <Wolfger> They also have a lot of "questions" migrated from Stack Overflow
[17:56] <Wolfger> StackOverflow only has quality questions
[17:56] <Wolfger> Programmers == StackOverflow's recycle bin
[18:33] <snap-l> Wolfger: Gee, you figure? :)
[18:40] <nullspace> not sure why most questions can't be answered by jfgi
[18:40] <nullspace> and then testing out some guess until it works
[18:41] <nullspace> then again it's better than expert exchange
[18:46] <Wolfger> snap-l: Yeah, I know, I'm slow in that realization
[18:46] <Wolfger> I was hypnotized by the trollishness of Programmers
[18:47] <Wolfger> I mean, some of that stuff is genuinely funny (though not intended as such)
[18:48] <nullspace> Wolfger: it can't be as funny as the using regex to parse html
[18:53] <Wolfger> nullspace: hey now
[18:53] <Wolfger> my single-purpose perl scripts work just fine
[18:53] <snap-l> I think most questions over at programmers.se can be answered thusly:
[18:53] <snap-l> "Stop procrastinating, put your big-boy pants on, and get back to work"
 Chrysler tows (*sic*) the line. </headdesk> http://blog.chryslerllc.com/entry/1503/chrysler_group_working_with_suppliers_to_tow_the_line_on_vehicle_pricing
[18:55] <snap-l> Hurry Journaleasm
[18:55] <Wolfger> I am so embarrassed to work for a company who can't hire a PR guy who knows English idioms
[18:56] <Wolfger> my comment will probably be moderated out of existence.
[18:59] <snap-l> headline was corrected, but the link remains the same.
[19:01] <snap-l> I also love that none of the images are displayable.
[19:01] <snap-l> http://blog.chryslerllc.com/entry/1503/images/images/masthead_chrysler_logo.gif
[19:01] <snap-l> who do they pay for PR, because they need to get their shit together.
[19:02] <snap-l> http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1503&p=entry Apparently this is the URL now.
[19:13] <nullspace> snap-l: well now we know how they are paying for higher productions costs, PR and marketing is taking a hit
[19:30] <krondor> nullspace:  marketing took a huge hit, Chrysler dropped BBDO after like a 75 year relationship for marketing.  I think it's in house now.
[19:30] <krondor> we hired about half of BBDOs fall out IT workers from MI.  I think Chrysler marketing did do a good job with the super bowl though really...
[19:40] <jrwren> very good job
[20:00] <snap-l> Yeah, the superbowl marketing was genius
[20:00] <snap-l> I think their marketing is over in italy, now.
[20:06] <snap-l> And this is why copyright needs standardization: All Naxos Historical, Naxos Classical Archives, Naxos Jazz, Folk and Rock Legends and Naxos Nostalgia titles are not available in the United States and some titles may not be available in Australia and Singapore because these countries have copyright laws that provide or may provide for terms of protection for sound recordings that differ from the rest of the world.
[20:14] <snap-l> All because copyrighted works before 1972 are uncertain of their status
[20:16] <_stink_> don't worry, the RIAA is working on that for you
[20:19] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding
[20:19] <snap-l> pretty soon I won't be able to listen to music at all without a writ promising that I won't hear it
[20:21] <jrwren> of coruse you will... you will just be violating someones (C) right.
[20:21] <jrwren> its OK.
[20:21] <jrwren> the first step is acknowledging that that they shouldn't have those rights.
[20:21] <snap-l> "Your associated account on Role-playing Games has passed 200 reputation: +100 reputation"
[20:21] <snap-l> I feel... um...
[20:22] <snap-l> <- nerd
[20:22] <snap-l> Man, having someone accept your answer is like a reputation goldmine.
[20:29] <brousch> dork
[20:31] <_stink_> dweeb
[20:31] <brousch> good one
[20:31] <_stink_> highfive