[19:37] <MichelleQ> Meeting today, right?
[19:50] <Cheri703> yep
[20:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[20:00] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 20:00. The chair is pleia2.
[20:00] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[20:00] <jledbetter> o/
[20:00] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[20:00] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/Agenda
[20:01] <pleia2> we'll give folks a couple minutes to drop in before starting
[20:03] <pleia2> ok, so the first thing on the agenda is a quick review of our blueprint items
[20:03] <pleia2> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:04] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Oneiric Blueprint progress
[20:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Oneiric Blueprint progress
[20:04] <pleia2> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:04] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:04] <pleia2> akgraner, nigelb, any mentoring updates?
[20:04]  * Cheri703 is here
[20:05] <pleia2> ok, sounds like neither of them are around
[20:05] <pleia2> I believe hypatia's items are blocked by that, so we'll skip those for now
[20:06] <pleia2> wiki status... we're almost done
[20:06] <pleia2> I just need to follow through with the last few bugs and we'll be good to go
[20:06]  * pleia2 hopes to finish this weekend
[20:06] <Tubu> : o)
[20:07] <pleia2> any questions, comments, etc on blueprint items?
[20:07] <pleia2> hi there Tubu! :)
[20:07] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Career Days
[20:07] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Career Days
[20:07] <Tubu> hi all!
[20:07] <pleia2> Cheri703: the floor is yours
[20:08] <Cheri703> Well, we have a basic page up, so people can sign up to participate
[20:08] <Cheri703> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
[20:08] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/CareerDays
[20:08] <pleia2> do we want to shoot for 1 per month, maybe get the first scheduled?
[20:08] <hypatia> whoa awesome
[20:09] <Cheri703> We are still discussing exactly how/when to do this, the basic idea is IRC session with Q&A > blog post > maybe saved to wki?
[20:09]  * hypatia will totally do someting about security
[20:09] <Cheri703> that'd work for me, I think it's just a matter of how quickly we can get volunteers and they can be ready
[20:09] <pleia2> hypatia: yay!
[20:10] <Cheri703> I think that if possible it'd be good to do it in u-classroom, just because unfortunately, I think if we publicize this at all, there is a HIGH probability for idiot hecklers
[20:10] <Cheri703> and if it was in classroom, at least that crap would get contained to classroom-chat
[20:10] <Cheri703> whereas if we did it here, they could just be annoying to their hearts' content unless settings were changed
[20:10] <jledbetter> Most of us are (forunately? unfortunately?) good at dealing with them ;)
[20:11] <Cheri703> well, but it interrupts the logs
[20:11] <pleia2> I like having our things benefiting the whole community anyway, so I +1 using #u-classroom
[20:11] <Cheri703> if it is in the room that the teaching is going on in
[20:11] <jledbetter> +1 u-classroom too
[20:11] <hypatia> classroom is usually muted and just the speaker is +v right?
[20:11] <Cheri703> yeah
[20:12] <pleia2> my only concern about this is the "fear of stupid questions" thing, so I think we want to make clear every step of the way that the participant is available privately for questions too (preferably *after* the session :))
[20:12] <pleia2> so participants will have to be willing to accept questions via email or PM
[20:12] <akgraner> sorry I'm late
[20:12] <Cheri703> I think also if anyone knows non-ubuntu specific women who might be willing to participate, that'd be awesome too
[20:12] <jledbetter> Well, as long as it doesn't become a bunch of emails/PMs?
[20:12] <pleia2> but I don't think that'll be a problem
[20:12] <pleia2> Cheri703: agreed
[20:13] <pleia2> jledbetter: I don't antipate "a bunch" maybe a couple :)
[20:13] <Cheri703> pleia2: is there any way in u-classroom to have anonymous questions?
[20:13] <pleia2> Cheri703: nope
[20:13] <jledbetter> Ah ok. Cause I get emails from random men already for "mentoring"
[20:13] <Cheri703> or could we have someone set up as "question taker" that could get pm'd and post questions anonymously during session?
[20:13] <jledbetter> Cheri703: Why anonymous?
[20:13] <Cheri703> also is there a u-w generic email?
[20:14] <Cheri703> well, for the "fear of stupid questions" thing
[20:14] <hypatia> just the mailing list
[20:14] <jledbetter> OH! That kind of stupid question. Gotcha.
[20:14] <Cheri703> because if there was a generic email that could be set up, people could just email "hey, I have a question for hypatia about her session and didn't think of it til later" and then they could just get distributed, vs direct emails...
[20:14] <pleia2> the only address we have for the team is the competition address
[20:14] <Cheri703> though I guess if people took the effort to look at presenters' wiki pages or launchpad, they'd have their email anyway
[20:15] <pleia2> (twitter and everything is tied to that)
[20:15] <jledbetter> Guess we could try it being open and seeing how it goes?
[20:15] <hypatia> yeah it seems better to just have folks contact the presenters if they are chill with that
[20:15] <jledbetter> +1 hypatia
[20:15] <pleia2> +1
[20:16] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm fine with that, just saying if someone was concerned
[20:16] <pleia2> we'll talk with each partipiant before that to make sure it's all ok
[20:16] <pleia2> we can figure something out if a participant is uncomfortable with direct communications :)
[20:16] <Cheri703> So I think we could likely just say "first come first served" and whoever is ready to do one first can let us know, and we can schedule around them
[20:17] <pleia2> sounds good
[20:17] <Cheri703> vs "EVERY 3rd tuesday at noon" because that might not work
[20:17] <jledbetter> This is targeted to women, right?
[20:17] <pleia2> jledbetter: right
[20:17] <Cheri703> yes, but I don't think the presenters necessarily have to be women...
[20:17] <Cheri703> (in my opinion)
[20:17] <pleia2> Cheri703: *nod*
[20:18] <jledbetter> True, but hopefully showcasing as well as leading into "who could be mentors"?
[20:18] <Cheri703> because it is also about (at least originally) just giving info about jobs in IT related fields
[20:18] <Cheri703> true
[20:18] <pleia2> yeah, I think we'll prefer female participants simply because of the mentor-factor
[20:18] <pleia2> but there simply aren't enough of us
[20:18] <jledbetter> Cheri703: What about non-IT like design? Writing? Lots of Ubuntu-related jobs?
[20:18] <jledbetter> pleia2: i know :(
[20:19] <jledbetter> Was thinking of akgraner. She's got a wicked awesome job:)
[20:19] <akgraner> (thanks)
[20:19]  * pleia2 suspects maco gets tired of being "the go-to female motu"
[20:19]  * MichelleQ is here and catching up. 
[20:19] <Cheri703> hmm...I had been thinking more along the idea of IT, but for sure :) I'm ok with that
[20:19] <Cheri703> I think anyone who wants to share would be welcome
[20:19] <Cheri703> as long as it is at least tangentially related to ubuntu type things :)
[20:20] <pleia2> sounds good
[20:20] <jledbetter> Again, thinking of mentoring areas :)
[20:20] <Cheri703> yeah, definitely
[20:20] <jledbetter> Awesome.
[20:20]  * jledbetter is obviously excited about this ;)
[20:20] <pleia2> :D
[20:20] <pleia2> ok, sounds like we have a plan
[20:20]  * hypatia likes this plan
[20:20] <jledbetter> Cheri703: Thank you for organizing this!
[20:21] <Cheri703> sure :)
[20:21] <pleia2> ok, shall we move on to our next item?
[20:21] <Cheri703> so folks who want to participate, get your session planned, and let us know, and then we can figure out about scheduling
[20:21] <pleia2> will do!
[20:21] <pleia2> akgraner: you available for a quick mentoring update?
[20:21] <akgraner> yep
[20:21] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Mentoring update
[20:21] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Mentoring update
[20:22] <pleia2> all yours!
[20:22] <akgraner> First sorry for being late
[20:22] <akgraner> second...I've gone through GSOC and I know nigelb has been looking at other mentoring programs as well
[20:23] <akgraner> we've created a googledoc for organizing everything and I had hoped it would be ready for the meeting but it's not
[20:23] <akgraner> so the goal for me is to have it in place over the weekend and email the list MOnday
[20:23] <akgraner> but it looks very doable and easily tailored
[20:23] <pleia2> great :)
[20:24] <akgraner> so that's were we are (aren't) and the plan for the weekend...
[20:25] <akgraner> wish it was more...
[20:25] <pleia2> it's fine, we really just wanted to get the basics out this cycle and it sounds like you're on track
[20:25] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[20:25] <pleia2> (and nigelb!)
[20:26] <pleia2> AlanBell: you around for ada lovelace day updates?
[20:26] <AlanBell> yup
[20:26] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Ada Lovelace day ideas update
[20:26] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Ada Lovelace day ideas update
[20:26] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/RKITOIjo1B
[20:26] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/RKITOIjo1B
[20:26] <AlanBell> jledbetter added a bunch of ideas to the list
[20:27] <AlanBell> Ada Lovelace day is October 7th so there is a reasonable amount of time still
[20:27] <pleia2> what are we thinking for timeline, announce competition on that day or announce winner?
[20:27] <AlanBell> depends what we do really
[20:28]  * pleia2 nods
[20:28] <AlanBell> which could be several things
[20:28] <AlanBell> there will be a general blogging effort on the day
[20:29] <jledbetter> Good :)
[20:29] <AlanBell> what things on the list do you like?
[20:31] <pleia2> I like "Why I am an Ubuntu Woman writing/design contest?" but maybe incorporate other suggestions too (bake/knit) and have it be something like "I am an Ubuntu Woman"
[20:31] <pleia2> so we get people making images, writing essays about their work, showing off cookies
[20:32]  * MichelleQ has cookies.  :-)
[20:32] <jledbetter> Yeah, not to be stereotypical, but I would love to see ubuntu baking :) Would be great ideas for release parties.
[20:32]  * AlanBell is currently eating a cookie
[20:32] <MichelleQ> jledbetter: coming down for UDS?  I'll make you UbuCookies
[20:32]  * jledbetter has no cookies :(
[20:32] <pleia2> maybe some people can come up with clever "I'm an Ubuntu Woman" apps they programed too
[20:32] <jledbetter> MichelleQ: Need to see how work goes :)
[20:33] <jledbetter> pleia2: OH! Excellent....
[20:33]  * Tubu will get some cookies... tomorrow... :-(
[20:33] <Cheri703> pleia2: that might fall along the idea of that video I'd shown you, and the "I'm a woman, and I use ubuntu" or whatever...if you recall
[20:33] <pleia2> Cheri703: ah yes!
[20:33] <Cheri703> though that's a larger-scale project probably
[20:33] <pleia2> I can see the vancouver team making such a video
[20:33] <AlanBell> so should we make it a competition/contest, or just a general effort to do awesome things?
[20:33] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[20:33] <pleia2> maybe we should nudge charlene to make a submission
[20:34] <MichelleQ> AlanBell: I vote general awesomeness.
[20:34] <hypatia> like the "I am a technical woman" video folks did at Grace Hopper a couple years back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O293-kmyUj0
[20:34] <Cheri703> this is the video I was referencing: (it is about bikes) http://amsterdamize.com/2010/07/08/this-is-amsterdam-and-this-is-my-bike/
[20:34] <pleia2> I'm inclined toward general awesomeness too
[20:34] <pleia2> rather than prizes
[20:34] <AlanBell> I think so too
[20:35] <jledbetter> Is that ok? Did competition in the past. Did that help with participation?
[20:35] <AlanBell> the main reason we were trying to do a competition was because we had offers of prizes
[20:35] <AlanBell> but we don't *have* to take them up
[20:35] <AlanBell> and silbs was quite enthusiastic about the competition concept
[20:36]  * jledbetter likes prizes :)
[20:36] <Cheri703> it could be general awesomeness and then have crowd-sourced voting on who is awesomest of the awesomeness
[20:36] <pleia2> I think the main problem with the proposal of "anything that is awesome" is judging would be crazy hard (and fraught with pitfalls, what if cookies win over clever programs?)
[20:36] <akgraner> prizes sponsors are fun to take too
[20:36]  * Tubu like that video!!
[20:36] <akgraner> talk even
[20:36] <Cheri703> like post them all on a site and let folks vote
[20:36] <jledbetter> Cheri703: I dig that
[20:36] <pleia2> yeah, that could work
[20:37] <Cheri703> because frankly, if someone had awesome cookies, and 30 people liked those, then great! it wouldn't be like 2 people deciding on all of it
[20:37]  * pleia2 nods
[20:37] <jledbetter> +1
[20:37] <jledbetter> Cheri703: Do we get to try the cookies? I kid.
[20:37] <pleia2> lol
[20:37] <Cheri703> I just thought that :D
[20:38] <jledbetter> AlanBell: And you had offers for prizes already?
[20:38] <pleia2> ok, so the baked goods just need to *look* delicious ;)
[20:38] <jledbetter> lol pleia2
[20:38] <AlanBell> jledbetter: kind of, yes
[20:38] <Cheri703> just like in advertising :)
[20:38] <jledbetter> AlanBell: Cool beans :)
[20:38] <pleia2> unfortunately rikki isn't at linux pro anymore
[20:38] <akgraner> no but I still am :-)
[20:38] <pleia2> oh good :)
[20:39] <AlanBell> so, making something at least slightly ubuntu related, writing about it and we publish all the articles and vote on awesomeness
[20:39] <pleia2> yeah
[20:39] <AlanBell> with a fairly broad interpretation of "making"
[20:40] <pleia2> yeah, we can toss out examples: art, cookies, robots, clever apps...
[20:40] <Tubu> +1
[20:41] <AlanBell> ok
[20:42] <AlanBell> that sounds like most of a plan to me
[20:42] <pleia2> perhaps have it due on oct 8th and then announce all the awesome things on the 9th and toss in the poll?
[20:42] <pleia2> winner is less important ada day than all the submissions I think :)
[20:42] <hypatia> hey folks i have to jet - will read logs when i get home
[20:42] <jledbetter> +1 pleia2
[20:42] <jledbetter> hypatia: See you later :)
[20:43] <pleia2> AlanBell: ok, can you put this idea into a wiki page and we'll go from there?
[20:44] <pleia2> looks like our past ones were under http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/BlahBlahEventName
[20:44] <AlanBell> yes, lets get it all set up to be announced by the new leadership team shortly after August 22nd
[20:44] <pleia2> perfect!
[20:45] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements, other misc
[20:45] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Announcements, other misc
[20:45] <pleia2> akgraner set up the poll and sent out ballots, if anyone didn't receive one but thing they should have they can contact her https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2011-August/003319.html
[20:46] <pleia2> for leadership elections
[20:46] <akgraner> 36 out of 268 have voted
[20:46] <akgraner> only 10 email address were bad...
[20:46] <akgraner> (so far)
[20:47] <pleia2> thanks akgraner
[20:47] <akgraner> yw
[20:48] <pleia2> any other announcements or anything?
[20:48] <jledbetter> Sponsorship apps end soon too. And U-W Still offers some help on proofreading right?
[20:48] <pleia2> ah yes
[20:49] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS has details
[20:49] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UDS has details
[20:49] <pleia2> deadline is august 24th, summit itself is oct 31-nov 4
[20:51] <pleia2> ok, I think we'll wrap up then
[20:51] <pleia2> thanks everyone, very productive meeting!
[20:51] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[20:51] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 20:51.
[20:51] <jledbetter> pleia2: Thank you for running it :)